Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 59
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 21:06 +, bod...@googlemail.com wrote: On the subject of crapware, my boss decided to try ubuntu on his new dell latitude laptop running win7, he installed it by himself, and came to me the next day when it was broken. Turns out dell wrote a dock-like application for win7, which they preinstalled and it cripples grub everytime it loads. That was the end of his Linux adventure Bodsda Does anyone else find this something of a coincidence after Dell suddenly stopped shipping Ubuntu pre-loaded? Or have I got carried away with my conspiracy theories? Barry -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 59
On 26 January 2011 21:06, bod...@googlemail.com wrote: On the subject of crapware, my boss decided to try ubuntu on his new dell latitude laptop running win7, he installed it by himself, and came to me the next day when it was broken. Turns out dell wrote a dock-like application for win7, which they preinstalled and it cripples grub everytime it loads. Its not the dock, its the Dell Datasafe backup software and it only affects Grub2, doesn't affect earlier versions of Grub. Tell him to boot into windows, uninstall, re-install grub and it will work. Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 59
On 18 January 2011 11:08, Mark Harrisonm...@yourpropertyexpert.com wrote: Out of interest, why do people think that building a PC without Windows should be inherently cheaper? A simplistic viewpoint based on ignorance of common Microsoft OEM business practice at a guess :) Is it because they correctly factor in the cost of the OEM licence of Windows, but forget to take into account the subsidies and affiliate fees on offer from application software vendors and ISPs for pre-installing 'trial versions' and crippleware? I suspect most people don't even realise that OEMS get a kickback from that kind of stuff. Cheers, Al. True, but I'm pleased to see on the last three HP's I've bought for the work (sadly all staying Windows boxes), that there was NO crapware installed. So perhaps this is coming to an end?? Lee -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 59
On the subject of crapware, my boss decided to try ubuntu on his new dell latitude laptop running win7, he installed it by himself, and came to me the next day when it was broken. Turns out dell wrote a dock-like application for win7, which they preinstalled and it cripples grub everytime it loads. That was the end of his Linux adventure Bodsda Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: LeeGroups mailgro...@varga.co.uk Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:28:47 To: UK Ubuntu Talkubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 59 On 18 January 2011 11:08, Mark Harrisonm...@yourpropertyexpert.com wrote: Out of interest, why do people think that building a PC without Windows should be inherently cheaper? A simplistic viewpoint based on ignorance of common Microsoft OEM business practice at a guess :) Is it because they correctly factor in the cost of the OEM licence of Windows, but forget to take into account the subsidies and affiliate fees on offer from application software vendors and ISPs for pre-installing 'trial versions' and crippleware? I suspect most people don't even realise that OEMS get a kickback from that kind of stuff. Cheers, Al. True, but I'm pleased to see on the last three HP's I've bought for the work (sadly all staying Windows boxes), that there was NO crapware installed. So perhaps this is coming to an end?? Lee -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 59
That's always been a concern of mine... they always seem excessive in terms of price vs. specification and I don't understand this, because surely building a machine WITHOUT Windows (and its costly licences, even considering OEM) ought to be CHEAPER? Out of interest, why do people think that building a PC without Windows should be inherently cheaper? Is it because they correctly factor in the cost of the OEM licence of Windows, but forget to take into account the subsidies and affiliate fees on offer from application software vendors and ISPs for pre-installing 'trial versions' and crippleware? Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 59
On 18 January 2011 11:08, Mark Harrison m...@yourpropertyexpert.com wrote: Out of interest, why do people think that building a PC without Windows should be inherently cheaper? A simplistic viewpoint based on ignorance of common Microsoft OEM business practice at a guess :) Is it because they correctly factor in the cost of the OEM licence of Windows, but forget to take into account the subsidies and affiliate fees on offer from application software vendors and ISPs for pre-installing 'trial versions' and crippleware? I suspect most people don't even realise that OEMS get a kickback from that kind of stuff. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 59
On 18 January 2011 11:18, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: I suspect most people don't even realise that OEMS get a kickback from that kind of stuff. I suspect most people don't even care as long as they feel they are getting a good deal. Jon Farmer Tel 07795 118140 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
