Re: [Unattended] Samba smb_add_request timed out.
Edmundo Valle Neto escreveu:
Sander Nieuwenhuizen escreveu:
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:42, Edmundo Valle Neto wrote:
Francis Galiegue escreveu:
20060405, Edmundo Valle Neto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hello.
I saw in this list long ago some posts of people having this
problem
(Receiving smb_add_request timed outs when using unattended with
samba),
I used unattended in a Debian Woody server (with kernel 2.4) with the
linux boot disk in a network with more than 50 computers with various
configurations without problems by a year or more.
Now I tried to install it in my notebook (using Ubuntu Warty with a
kernel 2.6.12 and samba 3.0.14a) and I'm having this problem of time
outs in random files while copying the OS (Windows XP).
I saw some people changing the parameters "use sendfiles", "large
readwrite" and "max xmit" (because of a problem in samba 3.0.7 with
kernel 2.6 if I remember right), but nothing that I tried until
now got
rid of these problems.
So I ask, is anyone having this problem too, or already had it and
was able to solve it?
Regards.
Edmundo Valle Neto
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Can you try and add this to the global section, unless it's already
done:
socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
If this still doesn't solve the problem, can you tcpdump what's
happening between the two machines? Does any strange pattern come up?
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I added the SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192, tested with and without
the other options ("use sendfiles", "large
readwrite" and "max xmit"), but doesn't helped, the problem remains.
And a correction (maybe not relevant) I'm using Ubuntu Breezy Badger
not Warty Warthog.
I will try to use tcpdump to watch the communication.
Edmundo.
If i read it correct the problems existed with older versions of samba.
The versions 3.0.20 and higher should work without a problem.
HTH
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I upgraded samba to 3.0.21c from Dapper Drake and tested again, same
problems.
I will try to downgrade my kernel to 2.4 and see what happens.
Edmundo.
Re: [Unattended] Samba smb_add_request timed out.
Sander Nieuwenhuizen escreveu:
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:42, Edmundo Valle Neto wrote:
Francis Galiegue escreveu:
20060405, Edmundo Valle Neto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hello.
I saw in this list long ago some posts of people having this problem
(Receiving smb_add_request timed outs when using unattended with samba),
I used unattended in a Debian Woody server (with kernel 2.4) with the
linux boot disk in a network with more than 50 computers with various
configurations without problems by a year or more.
Now I tried to install it in my notebook (using Ubuntu Warty with a
kernel 2.6.12 and samba 3.0.14a) and I'm having this problem of time
outs in random files while copying the OS (Windows XP).
I saw some people changing the parameters "use sendfiles", "large
readwrite" and "max xmit" (because of a problem in samba 3.0.7 with
kernel 2.6 if I remember right), but nothing that I tried until now got
rid of these problems.
So I ask, is anyone having this problem too, or already had it and
was able to solve it?
Regards.
Edmundo Valle Neto
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Can you try and add this to the global section, unless it's already done:
socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
If this still doesn't solve the problem, can you tcpdump what's
happening between the two machines? Does any strange pattern come up?
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I added the SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192, tested with and without the
other options ("use sendfiles", "large
readwrite" and "max xmit"), but doesn't helped, the problem remains.
And a correction (maybe not relevant) I'm using Ubuntu Breezy Badger not
Warty Warthog.
I will try to use tcpdump to watch the communication.
Edmundo.
If i read it correct the problems existed with older versions of samba.
The versions 3.0.20 and higher should work without a problem.
HTH
imdos
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I upgraded samba to 3.0.21c from Dapper Drake and tested again, same
problems.
I will try to downgrade my kernel to 2.4 and see what happens.
Edmundo.
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Re: [Unattended] Samba smb_add_request timed out.
Francis Galiegue escreveu:
20060405, Edmundo Valle Neto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hello.
I saw in this list long ago some posts of people having this problem
(Receiving smb_add_request timed outs when using unattended with samba),
I used unattended in a Debian Woody server (with kernel 2.4) with the
linux boot disk in a network with more than 50 computers with various
configurations without problems by a year or more.
Now I tried to install it in my notebook (using Ubuntu Warty with a
kernel 2.6.12 and samba 3.0.14a) and I'm having this problem of time
outs in random files while copying the OS (Windows XP).
I saw some people changing the parameters "use sendfiles", "large
readwrite" and "max xmit" (because of a problem in samba 3.0.7 with
kernel 2.6 if I remember right), but nothing that I tried until now got
rid of these problems.
So I ask, is anyone having this problem too, or already had it and
was able to solve it?
Regards.
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Can you try and add this to the global section, unless it's already done:
socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
If this still doesn't solve the problem, can you tcpdump what's
happening between the two machines? Does any strange pattern come up?
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I added the SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192, tested with and without the
other options ("use sendfiles", "large
readwrite" and "max xmit"), but doesn't helped, the problem remains.
And a correction (maybe not relevant) I'm using Ubuntu Breezy Badger not
Warty Warthog.
I will try to use tcpdump to watch the communication.
Edmundo.
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[Unattended] Samba smb_add_request timed out.
Hello. I saw in this list long ago some posts of people having this problem (Receiving smb_add_request timed outs when using unattended with samba), I used unattended in a Debian Woody server (with kernel 2.4) with the linux boot disk in a network with more than 50 computers with various configurations without problems by a year or more. Now I tried to install it in my notebook (using Ubuntu Warty with a kernel 2.6.12 and samba 3.0.14a) and I'm having this problem of time outs in random files while copying the OS (Windows XP). I saw some people changing the parameters "use sendfiles", "large readwrite" and "max xmit" (because of a problem in samba 3.0.7 with kernel 2.6 if I remember right), but nothing that I tried until now got rid of these problems. So I ask, is anyone having this problem too, or already had it and was able to solve it? Regards. Edmundo Valle Neto --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
Re: [Unattended] question
I don´t understood what "make a PXE server" has to do with the project, but yes it can be used with one, I boot trough a DOS floppy image supplied by a PXE service (dhcp3-server + tftpd-hpa + syslinux) configured in a linux server. How do you get your unattended share mapped to Z doesn't really matter and the project doesn´t show all the possible ways. You can even boot trough a CDROM or floppy with ROM images to get the images of the PXE server if your network card doesn´t allow to do that directly. Edmundo Valle Neto Rick Elnor escreveu: Could your software be used to make a PXE server which supplied Linux images? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. Get your fingers limbered up and give it your best shot. 4 great events, 4 opportunities to win big! Highest score wins.NEC IT Guy Games. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display. Visit http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em 29/04/2005 / Versão: 4.4.00 - Dat 4480 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://mail.terra.com.br/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. Get your fingers limbered up and give it your best shot. 4 great events, 4 opportunities to win big! Highest score wins.NEC IT Guy Games. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display. Visit http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
Re: [Unattended] Problem with cmdlines.txt - solved
After reinstalling my Windows XP several times and read the Microsoft Windows XP Resource Kit book I found what I was doing wrong. I notice another strange thing, I have a directory "os\winxpsp2\i386\$oem$\$1\Install" with some files (that I'm not using yet). So at the end of installation I must at least have a C:\Install with them right? But I doesn't. - I was installing in a computer with two hard drives so the installation files was getting copied to the second disk, appears that exist an option to pass to winnt.exe to solve this "/tempdrive:drive_letter". Anyway I don't tested it, I just removed the second drive. The content is: [COMMANDS] "REGEDIT /S regtweaks.reg" Yes, the regtweaks.reg file is in the same directory of cmdlines.txt "$oem$". - This was the content of my cmdlines.txt and the file that must be executed, another mistake, regtweaks.reg has 9.3 characters in the name, as winnt.exe is executed in dos, the name is converted to 8.3, gets scrambled and doesn't get executed. Regards. Edmundo Valle Neto. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
Re: [Unattended] Problem with cmdlines.txt
Urs Rau escreveu: Edmundo Valle Neto wrote: I notice another strange thing, I have a directory "os\winxpsp2\i386\$oem$\$1\Install" with some files (that I'm not using yet). So at the end of installation I must at least have a C:\Install with them right? But I doesn't. BTW which boot cd do you use? DOS or Linux? I think you have nothing to loose why don'tyou try running %z%\tools\lower-caseify.pl and try again? I don't use a boot CD, a boot trough PXE and load a DOS floppy image that I made to access the share. I think that you misunderstood the CD part, I said that I already made it works trough a CD making a Unattended CD as described in http://unattended.msfn.org/ because of that I already knew the URL that you gave before. / / # This scripts renames a folder and of its subfolders to lower case. # To use this script to fix an OS installation point, simply: # # 1) Install ActiveState Perl and associate .pl files with it. # # 2) Run "lower-caseify.pl Z:\os\winxpsp2" (or whatever). Regards, Urs Rau I renamed all files, all the installation is made without error as before but the cmdlines.txt doesn't get parsed. I will try change doit.bat to make an installation enabling debug and see what happens. Regards. Edmundo Valle Neto. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
Re: [Unattended] Problem with cmdlines.txt
Urs Rau escreveu: Edmundo Valle Neto wrote: Hi. I saw some messages about this problem posted before, but I couldn't find an answer. What do the contents of your cmdlines.txt llok like? It's amazing what a second pair of eyes sees (sometimes). You did put the section header [COMMANDS] in, and you did remember to put double quotes around your actual lines? Are you sure the files you want to run are accessible? (i.e. you have put them into the $oem$ folder too?) The content is: [COMMANDS] "REGEDIT /S regtweaks.reg" Yes, the regtweaks.reg file is in the same directory of cmdlines.txt "$oem$". I have the same question posted at http://www.mail-archive.com/unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01866.html, of get rid of all the extra and needless XP things. For who doesn't know exactly why someone would need to use this file "cmdlines.txt", this file is parsed at the end of installation when there is no user logged-on, so changes made to the registry at this point goes to the default profile. I've put the cmdlines.txt at z:\os\winxpsp2\I386\$OEM$ as I had sucefully made with some CDs, but I couldn't get it parsed, the file is simply ignored. There can sometimes be problems with your use of uppercase directory and or filenames. I suggest you lowercase all your files under %z%:\os\ All my files are uppercase (except those in $OEM$ directory, that are lowercase) and all are found until now. Anyway as you notice my $oem$ directory was "os\winxpsp2\I386\$OEM$" and I changed to "os\winxpsp2\i386\$oem$" but doesn't made difference, same problem. I notice another strange thing, I have a directory "os\winxpsp2\i386\$oem$\$1\Install" with some files (that I'm not using yet). So at the end of installation I must at least have a C:\Install with them right? But I doesn't. Hope maybe one of these will help you to the next stage. Regards, Urs Rau Regards. Edmundo Valle Neto. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
Re: [Unattended] Problem with cmdlines.txt
Urs Rau escreveu: Also have a look at http://unattended.msfn.org/global/cmdlines.htm it might well highlight what is going wrong. Regards, Urs Rau Yes, the CD I told that I already made work was based in these texts. There are some microsoft texts that explain that too: Distribution Folder Structure http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prbc_cai_zrlx.asp and Using Cmdlines.txt http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prbc_cai_jteq.asp Until now, no progress. Regards, Edmundo Valle Neto --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
[Unattended] [Fwd: Problem with cmdlines.txt]
Before someone ask. Yes, I am using the OemPreinstall=Yes option.in the unattended.txt file. Edmundo Valle Neto Mensagem Original Assunto:Problem with cmdlines.txt Data: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:47:28 -0300 De: Edmundo Valle Neto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Para: unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net Hi. I saw some messages about this problem posted before, but I couldn't find an answer. I have the same question posted at http://www.mail-archive.com/unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01866.html, of get rid of all the extra and needless XP things. For who doesn't know exactly why someone would need to use this file "cmdlines.txt", this file is parsed at the end of installation when there is no user logged-on, so changes made to the registry at this point goes to the default profile. I've put the cmdlines.txt at z:\os\winxpsp2\I386\$OEM$ as I had sucefully made with some CDs, but I couldn't get it parsed, the file is simply ignored. Any suggestion? Regards. Edmundo Valle Neto --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
[Unattended] Problem with cmdlines.txt
Hi. I saw some messages about this problem posted before, but I couldn't find an answer. I have the same question posted at http://www.mail-archive.com/unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01866.html, of get rid of all the extra and needless XP things. For who doesn't know exactly why someone would need to use this file "cmdlines.txt", this file is parsed at the end of installation when there is no user logged-on, so changes made to the registry at this point goes to the default profile. I've put the cmdlines.txt at z:\os\winxpsp2\I386\$OEM$ as I had sucefully made with some CDs, but I couldn't get it parsed, the file is simply ignored. Any suggestion? Regards. Edmundo Valle Neto --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
Re: [Unattended] File copy fails
Hi. I had a similar problem some time ago. Look the mail archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/unattended-info%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg03127.html I had this problem using the Unattended boot disks only and solved this creating another boot disk. Regards. Edmundo. Heather Coors escreveu: Tony, I just started using Unattended last week. I was able to get my first workstation up and running with no problems. Then I tried my second workstation and bam I got the atapi.sys unable to copy error as well. I saw you posted on the mailing list you had that issue. Were you able to get it resolved? Thanks Heather Coors Procter & Gamble Corporate Engineering --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em 21/02/2005 / Versão: 4.4.00 - Dat 4431 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
Re: [Unattended] File copy fails
Hi. I had a similar problem some time ago. Look the mail archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/unattended-info%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg03127.html I had this problem using the Unattended boot disks only and solved this creating another boot disk. Regards. Edmundo. Heather Coors escreveu: Tony, I just started using Unattended last week. I was able to get my first workstation up and running with no problems. Then I tried my second workstation and bam I got the atapi.sys unable to copy error as well. I saw you posted on the mailing list you had that issue. Were you able to get it resolved? Thanks Heather Coors Procter & Gamble Corporate Engineering --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em 21/02/2005 / Versão: 4.4.00 - Dat 4431 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
Re: [Unattended] boot PXE using a bootdisk with a NIC that does not support PXE
Hi. I hope some guru will come up with a solution so you could support more than one NIC on a bootdisk it should possible taken to account that a bootimage only uses 16 kb space. I haven´t tested it yet using network boot, but it´s possible to make a cdrom with multiple images using isolinux and loading the rom-o-matic roms with memdisk. It´s not possible to autodetect the rom, but it´s possible to choose from a menu. Take a look at this: http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/#multimemdisk It´s the homepage of Bart Lagerweij. It´s even possible to make the modular boot disk described at his page and have only one floppy image autodetecting the network card, loading the proper driver and accessing the share to make the unattended installation. Regards. Edmundo Valle Neto. Rune Tønnesen escreveu: Hi' Everybody I've got unattended to work no major problems remains. I was in the situation that we have a lot of older pc's wich does not have BIOS support for networkboot. Some of the NICs does not have PXE support neither. To get around this I turned to ROM-o-matic http://www.rom-o-matic.net/ choose version 5.3.7 or higher to get PXE support, I used 5.3.12. choose your networkcard press Get ROM To put the boot image on a bootdisk use Linux $ cat eb-5.3.12-yournic.zdsk > /dev/fd0 Windows users must use rawrite.exe boot the pc with the floppy and of you go, it takes less than 5 sec to boot and you are on to next pc I hope some guru will come up with a solution so you could support more than one NIC on a bootdisk it should possible taken to account that a bootimage only uses 16 kb space. Best Regards Rune Tønnesen Systemadministrator Bordings Friskole Østersøgade 86-88 2100 København Ø tlf: +45 35 38 69 08 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em 20/01/2005 / Versão: 4.4.00 - Dat 4421 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
[Unattended] Corruption of files during winxp installation.
Hi. I am trying to make the unattended installation of Win XP. I have configured the share in a samba server an copied all the necessary files as the WinXP files inside the share. The installation process seems to work, the perl scripts correctly generates the necessary files inside netinst directory, but when the batch script doit.bat executes, at the end of the copy of the files most of the files appear to be corrupted (a lot of directories with strange characters are created), in the next reboot the process fix them (erasing the invalid entries), and in the next one the process say that some files doesn´t exist. I tested inside vmware in two different computers using two different samba servers (the samba servers are not virtual machines) as directly with another computer without vmware. The test was made using two different Win XP CDs too. The problem appears to be with the launch of the command winnt.exe ... itself inside the share (executing it by hand give the same results), but doesn´t appear to be related with the perl scripts, or the CDs used, or the client machines or the servers. I am initiating the installation process after PXE booting the floppy images that came with the project. Has anyone here found similar problems? Any sugestion? Regards. Edmundo Valle Neto --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by: Beat the post-holiday blues Get a FREE limited edition SourceForge.net t-shirt from ThinkGeek. It's fun and FREE -- well, almosthttp://www.thinkgeek.com/sfshirt ___ unattended-info mailing list unattended-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/unattended-info
