RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Bill Sanderson]

I didn't think Tony needed others to chime in, even though he requested it,
but I guess he does.  I'm very happy to see any agency go the extra mile, or
step, or whatever, to do something that is within their general mandate, but
perhaps isn't strictly allowed by the bureaucratic rules.

So much of the time the reverse is true--that the organizations don't even
do what they are supposed to do--that I'm not going to slap somebody for
going above and beyond.


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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Frank]

This is another example of an area with specific boundaries that you  
have decided don't exist because you don't want them to exist. You've  
even decided that your opinion is that of "most" people in the  
neighborhood and you imply that those who disagree are insane. The  
arrogance I see in this post is incredible to me.


Is your dislike for Ray so strong that you have to resort to this?  
Must you respond to his every sentence with the opposite opinion? Why  
respond at all?


Which brings me to your earlier question about how some online  
communities deal with trolls. We have ignored them. It works. So does  
creating a moderated environment but, given the nature of this list,  
I don't think it is appropriate here. I'm sure we would have some  
disagreements about what constitutes a troll.


As far as the John Fenton/UCD controversy is concerned, dismissing it  
by saying that's the way Philly politics works just doesn't wash with  
me. People make conscious decisions about whether or not to  
participate in this kind of logrolling. In my opinion, people should  
just fess up and take their lumps. If they think it's for the greater  
good, then they can make their case and see what happens. And  
remember, this might not be an isolated incident, just the only one  
we've heard about.


Frank

On May 24, 2007, at 10:33 PM, Anthony West wrote:

As a park activist, I'd have to say this argument is thin. If you  
serve a community of residents within certain boundaries, but one  
of their dedicated facilities lies one block beyond those  
boundaries, a wise and responsible community organization will seek  
to extend them some coverage. It's meaningless that some  
neighborhood service lies one block outside some boundary. Suppose  
the West Philadelphia Y requested some assistance from UCD -- would  
that bother you? I'm asking for the opinion of every neighbor on  
this list as well as yours.


I personally know readers of UC-list who are also Friends of  
Malcolm X Park. How many readers have been quietly thinking Greg  
Cojulun is doing a lousy job, over at  Malcolm X Park? By contrast,  
how many readers have noticed how much better Malcolm X Park has  
been looking, compared to 1997? If you belong to the latter group  
(aka the not-insane group)


Facilitating Malcolm X Park activities in general is one of the  
best things either UCD or any of its haughty rivals could do. I'm  
totally for that. It makes sense to most people who are comfortable  
living in this neighborhood. If any of you are uncomfortable with  
Malcolm X Park, call me and talk to me. Yes,  it is very much part  
of our neighborhood and a very safe and well-maintained space, I  
might add.


-- Tony West


Ray wrote:

ucd states on their website precisely where their
boundaries are, and that's where everyone funding ucd
expects them to be servicing. and that's where ucd claims all its  
credit, it's where ucd draws its statistics to write up its report  
cards, etc.


this incident involved taking workers away from servicing an area  
within the ucd boundaries to an area outside the ucd boundaries.  
workers that included ucd staff as well as 2 penn students.




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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Bill Sanderson]

I hate to say this, but it seems to me that you need to file whatever it is
you are going to file now  I'll be interested to see what comes of
it-nothing good, I believe.  I don't expect any organization to release
details of internal investigations.  You've read as much as the press is
likely to publish about what actually happened.  You are a federal taxpayer,
I assume, so perhaps you have standing.  What precisely do you expect to
hear that you make you stand down and not file?

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:47 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

 

In a message dated 5/24/2007 4:27:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think Sharrif already answered that very well. UCD's accountable to the
people who are paying for it to exist. It's a private entity. In order for
it to be beholden to "the people who live in the area bounded by the UCD" it
would have to be funded by the public. Until that time, they can do whatever
they feel like as long as their funders are happy and don't stop sending
checks.

With respect to political activity, that's incorrect. As a 501-(c)-3
operation, UCD is tax exempt and therefore is getting support from the
taxpayers as a group. The IRS has strict rules prohibiting partisan
politics, the violation of which can not only take away the tax exemption
but make them liable for back taxes and penalties. We're talking about a
serious issue here, and big bucks. Thiose rules are there for a reason, and
have been in place long enough to have been honed by experience -- including
judicial decisions.

 

The "non-profit" and "not-for-profit" sector is neither the "public" nor the
"private" sector, but something in between. The managers of organizations in
the non-profit sector have an obligation to ensure that they strictly follow
the tight constraints under which they operate without paying taxes, and
therefore get indirect support from those who do. Wendell Lewis may try to
shove this off onto John Fenton and make a scapegoat or sacrificial lamb of
the guy. But Wendell is ultimately responsible for operating the
organization in such a way that this serious infraction (serious as defined
by the IRS) could happen -- if indeed it did happen as the reports appear
increasingly strongly to indicate.

 

And, of course, the reason I'm being such a nit-picker about it has to do
with the fact that it exposes the potential for abuse the NONID faction has
been pointing out since long before the NID initiative got onto the table. 

 

Al Krigman
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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Bill Sanderson]

Right-there is a state registration process, although I'm not sure what the
rules are for charitable fundraising-but that is what the state regulates.
The Feds regulate the issues relating to the organizations activities and
whether they fit the definition of 501c3 tax exempt organizations.

 

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From: S. Sharrieff Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:47 PM
To: 'Bill Sanderson'; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

 

Q: Do all states require a registration?

A: Most states have some type of registration or filing process. It is
necessary for organizations 

contemplating fundraising activities in other states to research the
individual state reporting 

requirements to ensure compliance prior to soliciting. 

 

Q: What is the difference between a charitable organization and 501c3
status? 

A: A charitable organization is defined as any entity that solicits or
collects contributions from the 

public, where the contribution is, or is said to be used to support a
charitable activity. 

Charitable activity includes, but is not limited to, educational,
recreational, social, patriotic, legal defense, 

benevolent, or health causes. 

501c3 is a Federal tax exempt status granted by the Internal Revenue
Service. Certain requirements 

established through the Internal Revenue Code must be met in order to
receive tax exempt status. 

For specific information regarding the application process, please refer to
the IRS Web site at 

www.IRS.gov or call the Exempt Organizations Division at (877) 829-5500.

Will my nonprofit be given a 501c3 number separate from its EIN?

No. Your EIN is the only number federally associated with your organization.
If you apply for and receive 

sales tax-exemption in your state, you may have a number issued by that
state agency that is different 

from your EIN. 

 

So yes, correction, mostly Federal IRS and some State guidelines.

Bill I agree, it is not likely this stuff would hit anybodies radar.

S

 

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bill Sanderson
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:21 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

 

I believe that the 501c3 status comes from the Feds, not the state.  It is
federal taxes that contributions to such organizations can be exempted from,
not state taxes.

 

I suspect the possibility of this incident arousing enough interest in a
Federal (anything) to prompt some action is near zero, but maybe I lack
imagination.  Not saying that there wasn't a situation that could be
construed as a violation, but I suspect that the folks who would look at
this have bigger fish to fry.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of S. Sharrieff Ali
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:26 PM
To: 'UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN'; 'University City List'
Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

 

UCD management is accountable to it's Board of Directors.

 

UCD management by mission is accountable in part to those it 

services through geographic boundaries, it's relationships of 

support (which would include ALL the local politicians), and 

individuals who donate money to supplement the on-going 

institutional support.

 

UCD management is accountable in part to the State of Pennsylvania 

based on it's 501-C3 status.

 

If sustained funding were to happen through a local assessment,

then, in that case the UCD management would be accountable to 

the public interest based on that assessment and still would be 

accountable to a Board of Directors representative of that interest.

 

S

Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Anthony West]

As a park activist, I'd have to say this argument is thin. If you serve a 
community of residents within certain boundaries, but one of their dedicated 
facilities lies one block beyond those boundaries, a wise and responsible 
community organization will seek to extend them some coverage. It's 
meaningless that some neighborhood service lies one block outside some 
boundary. Suppose the West Philadelphia Y requested some assistance from 
UCD -- would that bother you? I'm asking for the opinion of every neighbor 
on this list as well as yours.


I personally know readers of UC-list who are also Friends of Malcolm X 
Park. How many readers have been quietly thinking Greg Cojulun is doing a 
lousy job, over at  Malcolm X Park? By contrast, how many readers have 
noticed how much better Malcolm X Park has been looking, compared to 1997? 
If you belong to the latter group (aka the not-insane group)


Facilitating Malcolm X Park activities in general is one of the best things 
either UCD or any of its haughty rivals could do. I'm totally for that. It 
makes sense to most people who are comfortable living in this neighborhood. 
If any of you are uncomfortable with Malcolm X Park, call me and talk to me. 
Yes,  it is very much part of our neighborhood and a very safe and 
well-maintained space, I might add.


-- Tony West


Ray wrote:

ucd states on their website precisely where their
boundaries are, and that's where everyone funding ucd
expects them to be servicing. and that's where ucd claims all its credit, 
it's where ucd draws its statistics to write up its report cards, etc.


this incident involved taking workers away from servicing an area within 
the ucd boundaries to an area outside the ucd boundaries. workers that 
included ucd staff as well as 2 penn students.




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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Ross Bender]

On 5/24/07, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



and let's calm down about taking the heat. this is an open
conversation, remember, not an argument.



Right. Arguments are in 12A, down the hall:

Q:   WHAT DO YOU WANT?
M:   Well, I was told outside that...
Q:   Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M:   What?
Q:   Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you
vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M:   Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q:   OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M:   Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q:   Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M:   Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q:   Not at all.
M:   Thank You.


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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Ross Bender wrote:


UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

and let's calm down about taking the heat. this is an open
conversation, remember, not an argument.




Right. Arguments are in 12A, down the hall:

Q:   WHAT DO YOU WANT?
M:   Well, I was told outside that...
Q:   Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M:   What?
Q:   Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you
vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M:   Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q:   OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M:   Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q:   Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M:   Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q:   Not at all.
M:   Thank You.




hahaha   for so long now I've wanted to post the whole 
'argument' vs 'abuse' dialoge from the monty python days... 
because we so often beat each other up onlist, and it's absurd.


thanks :-)



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Re: [UC] Sex Advice from Real Estate Agents

[Ross Bender]

*Where can I have sex?*


If you are staying with a host family, your landlord or landlady may not
want their children to be aware of your sexual behaviour.
You should ask your landlord/landlady for permission before letting someone
else stay overnight in your room. If this starts to happen regularly, he/she
may ask you to move or to pay more rent.
There are no love hotels in the UK. You cannot usually rent a room for a
short time: one night is usually the minimum period.
In Britain, it is illegal to have sex in a public place, although it is rare
for the police to take action if nobody can see or hear you. Kissing and
fondling in public are accepted provided that you keep private parts of your
body covered and try to be discreet

On 5/24/07, Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is, overall, the best sexual advice I have read anywhere since I took
up editing in 1981. I have no personal interest in sex, of course, but I'm
a
compulsive reader of columnists wherever I find them. So it does place the
real estate agent in a new light. Let's not burn up the likes of Melani,
Liz, Lindsay and Chris in weary political struggles; we may need them all
to
fix our more intimate lives.

How about landlords? How good is their sexual advice, in the opinion of
UC-list readers? Chances are at least one reader tonight really needs to
know the answer.

-- Tony West



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[UC] self storage

[Matthew Snyder]

Can anyone recommend a clean, safe, affordable (pick 2 of 3 if
necessary) self storage facility in the area?  It doesn't have to be
in West Philadelphia, but somewhere within a few miles would be good.
I'm looking for about 75 square feet.

Thanks,
Matthew

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Re: [UC] UC Review Graffiti Contest

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Turner,Kathleen  wrote:

To change the subject for awhile . . .

Quite an idea the UC Review had with their "Graffiti Watch" feature --
best tag of the week gets a photo on the front page.

I can see this being a BIG disincentive to the neighborhood graffiti
artists.

Cornbread rides again?




Ross Bender wrote:

What you say above makes absolutely no sense at all to me, so I got the
latest copy of the UC Rag from the bottom of the parrot's cage, wiped it
off, and read the feature. The feature, of course, says exactly what you 
say it says. Best tag of the week will be rewarded with a front page photo. It

also asks the "readers" to send in locations. No doubt the local artists
will be breathlessly awaiting each week's issue, vying with each other to
see who gets the coveted prize. Personally, I think if they offered a
monetary award, say a Benjamin, or even a pizza, it would be a better
incentive.




hahaha here's my entry:

   http://tinyurl.com/2cu6aw


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Re: [UC] Sex Advice from Real Estate Agents

[Anthony West]

This is, overall, the best sexual advice I have read anywhere since I took 
up editing in 1981. I have no personal interest in sex, of course, but I'm a 
compulsive reader of columnists wherever I find them. So it does place the 
real estate agent in a new light. Let's not burn up the likes of Melani, 
Liz, Lindsay and Chris in weary political struggles; we may need them all to 
fix our more intimate lives.


How about landlords? How good is their sexual advice, in the opinion of 
UC-list readers? Chances are at least one reader tonight really needs to 
know the answer.


-- Tony West 




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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Kyle Cassidy wrote:

I think Sharrif already answered that very well. UCD's
accountable to the people who are paying for it to exist.
It's a private entity. In order for it to be beholden to
"the people who live in the area bounded by the UCD" it
would have to be funded by the public. Until that time,
they can do whatever they feel like as long as their
funders are happy and don't stop sending checks.

This does bring up an interesting point though, if the
NID had passed, UCD would be beholden to Jannie
Blackwell, who is the elected representative of the
people who live in the area bounded by the UCD.



I'll just add:

ucd states on their website precisely where their
boundaries are, and that's where everyone funding ucd
expects them to be servicing. and that's where ucd claims 
all its credit, it's where ucd draws its statistics to write 
up its report cards, etc.


this incident involved taking workers away from servicing an 
area within the ucd boundaries to an area outside the ucd 
boundaries. workers that included ucd staff as well as 2 
penn students.


melani in her defense/support of ucd has often insisted
onlist that ucd doesn't service the penn campus, that ucd is
for US in the neighborhood, etc... and it's been pointed out
by ucd themselves that they can't adequately cover the
district as defined without much more $$ etc., so this 
question of being 'beholden to the people who live in the 
area bounded by the ucd' is an important one, and goes 
beyond simply those who currently write the checks. we (all 
of us in the neighborhood) are necessarily stakeholders, are 
necessarily implicated in whatever ucd does. by ucd's own 
admission.


and contrary to what you might think, our stakeholder 
relationship with ucd becomes even more pronounced under a 
nid, and this incident speaks volumes about what we might 
expect if ucd was a nid. the whole issue of nid boundaries 
becomes even more crucial -- for justifying a nid, for 
defining how much $$ folks are assessed, for defining who 
benefits and how much.


we could use this incident to think more thoughtfully about 
the premise that ucd exists to service US, that they're 
responsible to US, and how this US is served, allegations or 
not.





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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Anthony West wrote:
In all fairness, to distinguish UCD from us implies that UCD is not a 
part of us. If by "us" you mean "readers of this listserve," then a few 
days ago you noted some UCD workers are part of us. Surely that's not 
what you're wishing to say now, though.


So define an "us" that is not UCD, that UCD can respond to, especially 
if that "us" assumes some financial responsibility for UCD.


I can think of possible "usses", but I won't name them, no matter how 
theoretically, because I don't want the heat. That's why I invited you 
to do the initial round of naming, Ray.


If no one steps forward to define such an "us" for us, then, sadly, I 
don't see how it can ever proceed to Points 2, 3 ... x. Who will bell 
the cat? as the old fable goes. In that case, this attractive inquiry 
would be better set aside, I fear.




earlier today, sharrieff stepped forward and offered one 
definition of 'us':



UCD management is accountable to it's Board of Directors.
 
UCD management by mission is accountable in part to those it 
services through geographic boundaries, it's relationships of 
support (which would include ALL the local politicians), and 
individuals who donate money to supplement the on-going 
institutional support.
 
UCD management is accountable in part to the State of Pennsylvania 
based on it's 501-C3 status.
 
If sustained funding were to happen through a local assessment,
then, in that case the UCD management would be accountable to 
the public interest based on that assessment and still would be 
accountable to a Board of Directors representative of that interest.



anyone care to take it from there?

and let's calm down about taking the heat. this is an open 
conversation, remember, not an argument.




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Re: [UC] Sex Advice from Real Estate Agents

[Robin Gresham-Chin]

Brian,
Did you find the answers you were searching for or do you need advice  
from agents a little closer to home?

Robin
On May 24, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Brian Siano wrote:


http://www.nerve.com/regulars/sexadvicefrom/realestateagents/

Somehow, it seemed _right_ for this list.

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Re: [UC] Sex Advice from Real Estate Agents

[Ross Bender]

Or this one:

*Is it okay to sleep with my broker to get a better deal on an apartment?*
It's okay to sleep with them, but it's not going to guarantee you a better
deal. Generally all brokers cut commissions to make a deal regardless. We
don't control it. Overall, it comes down to the owner and what kind of cuts
he or she is willing to make.

Siano, where DO you find this stuff???

On 5/24/07, Brian Siano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://www.nerve.com/regulars/sexadvicefrom/realestateagents/

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Re: [UC] Sex Advice from Real Estate Agents

[Ross Bender]

Best piece of advice so far:

*Real-estate agents have a reputation for being sleazy. How can I make being
sleazy work to my advantage when trying to get laid?*
Keep the sleaze out of work, but definitely keep it in the bedroom. I always
need to find new ways to keep things interesting. Those times when my
husband is too tired, the sleaze will wake him up. He's really into the
whole real-estate-agent thing. He likes it when I'm in my business suit and
skirt. He likes it when I leave it all on when we have sex — even the shoes.


On 5/24/07, Brian Siano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://www.nerve.com/regulars/sexadvicefrom/realestateagents/

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RE: [UC] UC Review Graffiti Contest

[Turner,Kathleen]

Exactly.
 
And that's the time-proven way to reduce it -- paint over it, scrub it off or 
whatever -- just get rid of it as fast as possible so the "artist" doesn't get 
any recognition.
 
OR, you could highlight it on the front page of the local weekly -- might as 
well offer that pizza as a prize!
 
Kathleen



From: Wilma de Soto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 5/24/2007 7:35 PM
To: Turner,Kathleen; UnivCity listserv
Subject: Re: [UC] UC Review Graffiti Contest


Shouldn't this pump up the volume, so to speak?

I have lived through the original ubiquitous graffiti person in Philadelphia: 
"Bobby Beck" .  Later it was  "Cool Earl",  Chewy" and "Cornbread."

It escalated from there. I do not wish to revisit those days.

I make it a habit to wipe out tags as soon as they appear whenever I can.


On 5/24/07 6:57 PM, "Turner,Kathleen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



To change the subject for awhile . . .

Quite an idea the UC Review had with their "Graffiti Watch" feature -- 
best tag of the week gets a photo on the front page.

I can see this being a BIG disincentive to the neighborhood graffiti 
artists.  

Cornbread rides again?

 
Kathleen

Re: [UC] UC Review Graffiti Contest

[Wilma de Soto]

Shouldn¹t this pump up the volume, so to speak?

I have lived through the original ubiquitous graffiti person in
Philadelphia: ³Bobby Beck² .  Later it was  ³Cool Earl²,  Chewy² and
³Cornbread.²

It escalated from there. I do not wish to revisit those days.

I make it a habit to wipe out tags as soon as they appear whenever I can.


On 5/24/07 6:57 PM, "Turner,Kathleen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To change the subject for awhile . . .
>  
> Quite an idea the UC Review had with their "Graffiti Watch" feature -- best
> tag of the week gets a photo on the front page.
>  
> I can see this being a BIG disincentive to the neighborhood graffiti artists.
>  
> Cornbread rides again?
>  
>  
> Kathleen
> 

Re: [UC] UC Review Graffiti Contest

[Frank]

I'd rather see graffiti than 90% of the murals in the city. At least  
there's no sappy "message" involved.


Frank


On May 24, 2007, at 06:57 PM, Turner,Kathleen wrote:


To change the subject for awhile . . .

Quite an idea the UC Review had with their "Graffiti Watch" feature  
-- best tag of the week gets a photo on the front page.


I can see this being a BIG disincentive to the neighborhood  
graffiti artists.


Cornbread rides again?


Kathleen

Re: [UC] UC Review Graffiti Contest

[Ross Bender]

On 5/24/07, Turner,Kathleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 To change the subject for awhile . . .

Quite an idea the UC Review had with their "Graffiti Watch" feature --
best tag of the week gets a photo on the front page.

I can see this being a BIG disincentive to the neighborhood graffiti
artists.

Cornbread rides again?




What you say above makes absolutely no sense at all to me, so I got the
latest copy of the UC Rag from the bottom of the parrot's cage, wiped it
off, and read the feature. The feature, of course, says exactly what you say
it says. Best tag of the week will be rewarded with a front page photo. It
also asks the "readers" to send in locations. No doubt the local artists
will be breathlessly awaiting each week's issue, vying with each other to
see who gets the coveted prize. Personally, I think if they offered a
monetary award, say a Benjamin, or even a pizza, it would be a better
incentive.


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Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org/clawfoot.html

[UC] Sex Advice from Real Estate Agents

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Re: [UC] UC Review Graffiti Contest

[Elizabeth F Campion]

Do these d'uh moments make us feel more
Stupid, 
at least those of us that missed the obvious, or
Lucky 
to be surrounded by smart folks who help connect the
dots?




On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:57:16 -0400 "Turner,Kathleen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
To change the subject for awhile . . .
 
Quite an idea the UC Review had with their "Graffiti Watch" feature --
best tag of the week gets a photo on the front page.
 
I can see this being a BIG disincentive to the neighborhood graffiti
artists.  
 
Cornbread rides again?
 
 
Kathleen

[UC] UC Review Graffiti Contest

[Turner,Kathleen]

To change the subject for awhile . . .
 
Quite an idea the UC Review had with their "Graffiti Watch" feature -- best tag 
of the week gets a photo on the front page.
 
I can see this being a BIG disincentive to the neighborhood graffiti artists.  
 
Cornbread rides again?
 
 
Kathleen

Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Wilma de Soto]

Actually, it¹s sounds like what happens Œdowntown¹; ³Yo, I took care of dat
Œting for youse.²

The UCD should either be above that or declare their intentions all along.

I feel for John Fenton.


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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Wilma de Soto]

Actually, if the UCD should want all of us (businesses and residents)
eventually to help sustain them and contribute, they should be more open
since they are a community-based non-profit.

I think John Fenton is the wonderful.  I wish he had not been caught up into
this "chanchuyo".


On 5/24/07 10:45 AM, "S. Sharrieff Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kyle, your comments would make sense if ABC News,
> Daily News, DP, UC-Review (cover story), City Paper
> had not covered the story and it was just "gossip".
> 
> Once it broke in The Daily News, they should have
> prepared a coherent statement for the public via their
> web-site supporting John until further notice since
> he was suspended "with pay".
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> It really looked ridiculous to have one of the student
> community service workers quoting Lewis Wendell saying
> he called me and said "I didn't know anything about this".
> 
> Asleep at the wheel? ...again?
> 
> If you are paying someone 74K a year to handle public
> relations, they should understand the value of transparency
> in a situation like this.
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> So..lets VOTE!!!
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> A)  Totally Clueless
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> B)  Hiding Something
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> C)  All of the Above
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> people in this neighborhood, I'll bet, have zero idea that this is
> happening. I think any PR flackette, whether trying to scrape by on
> $74,000 a year or not, would advise "don't make a lot of noise about
> this, wait till the investigation's over, keep emptying trash cans and
> sweeping the streets."
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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Anthony West]

In all fairness, to distinguish UCD from us implies that UCD is not a part 
of us. If by "us" you mean "readers of this listserve," then a few days ago 
you noted some UCD workers are part of us. Surely that's not what you're 
wishing to say now, though.


So define an "us" that is not UCD, that UCD can respond to, especially if 
that "us" assumes some financial responsibility for UCD.


I can think of possible "usses", but I won't name them, no matter how 
theoretically, because I don't want the heat. That's why I invited you to do 
the initial round of naming, Ray.


If no one steps forward to define such an "us" for us, then, sadly, I don't 
see how it can ever proceed to Points 2, 3 ... x. Who will bell the cat? as 
the old fable goes. In that case, this attractive inquiry would be better 
set aside, I fear.


-- Tony West

I began with the idea that ucd is primarily accountable to us, not to 
itself. you put the word 'us' in quotes, and now you want to know who/what 
this 'us' is. so do I. so let's give others a chance to contribute.


all we have thus far is that ucd is primarily accountable to some entity 
other than itself.




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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Matthew Snyder]

Kyle Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 and likewise, if it was the _church_ who invited jannie and tom to speak,
they should also lose their 501c tax exempt status.


As long as the church invited all of the candidates to their rally and
offered them all equal time with equal terms, they should be in the
clear.  I have no idea whether that happened.  But it is not against
the rules for a candidate to speak at a church event as long as all
candidates get the same opportunity and as long as the events do not
involve fund-raising.

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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Kyle Cassidy]

i agree -- if we're talking about the political rally -- i was strictly 
answering ray's question about UCD being able to operate outside the boundaries 
of the district.

and likewise, if it was the _church_ who invited jannie and tom to speak, they 
should also lose their 501c tax exempt status.


>With respect to political activity, that's incorrect. As a 501-(c)-3 
>operation, 
>UCD is tax exempt and therefore is getting support from the taxpayers as a 
>group. 
>The IRS has strict rules prohibiting partisan politics, the violation of which 
>can 
>not only take away the tax exemption but make them liable for back taxes and 
>penalties. 
>We're talking about a serious issue here, and big bucks. Thiose rules are 
>there for a 
>reason, and have been in place long enough to have been honed by experience -- 
>including 
>judicial decisions.
 

Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Anthony West wrote:
So let's continue, Ray. Can you please (insert whom), for starters? If 
you want UCD to be more accountable to (whom) than it now is, how might 
you define (whom) and how would (who) pay money to UCD, so that it might 
be held more accountable to them?


This is necessary question if we are to talk about accountability. Name 
some names, for instance.




I began with the idea that ucd is primarily accountable to 
us, not to itself. you put the word 'us' in quotes, and now 
you want to know who/what this 'us' is. so do I. so let's 
give others a chance to contribute.


all we have thus far is that ucd is primarily accountable to 
some entity other than itself.



I'll add a second idea, to explore this idea of accountability:

2. ucd's performance/activities should be 
evaluated/investigated by an independent agency (insert whom)


















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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[BruceWMcC]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 4:56:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
Why pretend to  wait?


Are you calling me a liar?



Nope, just lining up the statements and asking a rhetorical question.
 
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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Mike V.]

Belligerence is not a reasonable answer to someone taking issue with
your consistency of thought.
 
- Mike V.

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In a message dated 5/24/2007 4:46:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Why pretend to wait?

Are you calling me a liar?
 
Al K




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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Krfapt]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 4:46:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
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Why pretend to  wait?


Are you calling me a liar?
 
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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Krfapt]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 4:27:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think Sharrif already answered that very well. UCD's accountable to  the 
people who are paying for it to exist. It's a private entity. In order for  it 
to be beholden to "the people who live in the area bounded by the UCD" it  
would have to be funded by the public. Until that time, they can do whatever  
they 
feel like as long as their funders are happy and don't stop sending  checks.



With respect to political activity, that's incorrect. As a 501-(c)-3  
operation, UCD is tax exempt and therefore is getting support from the  
taxpayers as 
a group. The IRS has strict rules prohibiting partisan politics,  the 
violation of which can not only take away the tax exemption but make them  
liable for 
back taxes and penalties. We're talking about a serious issue here,  and big 
bucks. Thiose rules are there for a reason, and have been in place long  enough 
to have been honed by experience -- including judicial decisions.
 
The "non-profit" and "not-for-profit" sector is neither the "public" nor  the 
"private" sector, but something in between. The managers of organizations in  
the non-profit sector have an obligation to ensure that they strictly  follow 
the tight constraints under which they operate without paying taxes,  and 
therefore get indirect support from those who do. Wendell Lewis may try to  
shove 
this off onto John Fenton and make a scapegoat or sacrificial lamb of the  
guy. But Wendell is ultimately responsible for operating the  organization in 
such a way that this serious infraction (serious as defined by  the IRS) could 
happen -- if indeed it did happen as the reports appear  increasingly strongly 
to indicate.
 
And, of course, the reason I'm being such a nit-picker about it has to do  
with the fact that it exposes the potential for abuse the NONID faction has 
been 
 pointing out since long before the NID initiative got onto the table.  

Al  Krigman
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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[BruceWMcC]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 4:37:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 4:24:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Yeah..but that is the point Al..Did someone file a complaint  and if so 
where or what is the  evidence? And..If so  ..than why not just say so?


I have no idea whether anybody has, at this point.
 
But, consistent with my belief that we should not be rushing to  judgement, I 
may do so when the details of the "internal investigation" are  released. 
Details including procedures as well as findings. Or, if the details  are not 
released.



Why pretend to wait?
 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:28:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

We DO know that UCD has not been forthright or transparent about  discussing 
this issue in the open. And while some aspects of the issue this  might have 
been acceptable to safeguard the privacy and other rights of John  Fenton 
before Channel 6 identified him (the DN, as I recall, didn't name  names), once 
he 
had been "outed" UCD could have gone totally public.
 
So, if this is what we're "judging," the evidence is in. And UCD is  guilty.

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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Krfapt]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 4:24:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Yeah..but that is the point Al..Did someone file a complaint  and if so 
where or what is the  evidence? And..If so ..than  why not just say so?


I have no idea whether anybody has, at this point.
 
But, consistent with my belief that we should not be rushing to judgement,  I 
may do so when the details of the "internal investigation" are released.  
Details including procedures as well as findings. Or, if the details are not  
released.
 
As, by the way, I would have if UCD had not complied with the legally  
mandated requirement that they compy with my request for their IRS filing  
(which, 
after some fits and starts for which I gave them the benefit of the  doubt, 
they did).  

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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Kyle Cassidy]

I think Sharrif already answered that very well. UCD's accountable to the 
people who are paying for it to exist. It's a private entity. In order for it 
to be beholden to "the people who live in the area bounded by the UCD" it would 
have to be funded by the public. Until that time, they can do whatever they 
feel like as long as their funders are happy and don't stop sending checks.

This does bring up an interesting point though, if the NID had passed, UCD 
would be beholden to Jannie Blackwell, who is the elected representative of the 
people who live in the area bounded by the UCD.

kc

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Anthony West
Sent: Thu 5/24/2007 4:13 PM
To: University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
 
So let's continue, Ray. Can you please (insert whom), for starters? If you 
want UCD to be more accountable to (whom) than it now is, how might you 
define (whom) and how would (who) pay money to UCD, so that it might be held 
more accountable to them?

This is necessary question if we are to talk about accountability. Name some 
names, for instance.

-- Tony West

RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Yeah..but that is the point Al..Did someone file a complaint and if so
where or what is the evidence? And..If so ..than why not just say so?
 
It is not likely the person who spoke to the news filed a complaint, he
probably would have said so. If he did file a complaint than it was so
not smart to get a call directly from Lewis Wendell "after" filing the 
complaint.
 
Doesn't add up. 
 
Look..I respect John and I think he is getting railroaded.
 
 
S
 
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In a message dated 5/24/2007 3:22:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I suspect the possibility of this incident arousing enough interest in a
Federal (anything) to prompt some action is near zero, but maybe I lack
imagination.  Not saying that there wasn't a situation that could be
construed as a violation, but I suspect that the folks who would look at
this have bigger fish to fry.
Don't bet on it. Especially if someone lodged a formal complaint. 
 
Al Krigman
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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Anthony West]

So let's continue, Ray. Can you please (insert whom), for starters? If you 
want UCD to be more accountable to (whom) than it now is, how might you 
define (whom) and how would (who) pay money to UCD, so that it might be held 
more accountable to them?


This is necessary question if we are to talk about accountability. Name some 
names, for instance.


-- Tony West

The only way that could possibly come into being in real life, though, 
is if UCD becomes primarily, or significantly, funded by "us."


Do you have any suggestions on how that might be arranged, Ray? I'm not 
demanding final, flawless blueprints ... just a general line of inquiry 
that could be pursued and developed. If you can share any sort of answer 
with us, I'll be most grateful.



so let's continue:

1. ucd is primarily accountable to (insert whom), not to ucd.
..



[aka ray]




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[UC] Re: Friday Night Jazz Starts This Week

[BruceWMcC]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:52:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Denise  King presents Friday Night Jazz@ CEDAR PARK...FREE Jazz concerts 
featuring  Nationally and Internationally Renown Artists. Memorial Day weekend 
May 
25,  2007-Labor Day weekend August 31, 2007 

Friday Night Jazz May-September  6PM-8PM 

We have a new home AND a new name!! We are now 
Denise King  presents FRIDAY NIGHT JAZZ @ CEDAR PARK!!! The park is directly 
across from  the Firehouse and I must say those trees will be wonderful on 
those 98 degree  days

And now the music!! What an incredible schedule we have!! Odean  Pope, Joanna 
Pasquale, Larry McKenna, Bootsie Barnes, Michelle Beckham, Chip  Shelton, 
Doug Carne, Tim Warfield, Barbara Walker, Aaron Graves, Dr G's  Musiqology, 
Barbara Mills and more. It just doesn't get any better than this.  For all of 
you 
Blues lovers...we have the fabulous Mr Frank Bey.  


Hope to See You There!



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[UC] T-ball in Clark Park starting in June

[LowryV]

We are going to try  to do T-ball for kids and parents in Clark Park
again this year on Saturdays, starting June 2nd, at 10am.  Meet by the
turtle and bring whatever equipment you have.  Several people have
indicated interst; so please show up; it should be fun.

Vanessa Albert Lowry 
Greenberg Traurig, LLP 
Two Commerce Square 
2001 Market Street 
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19103 
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RE: [UC] 4800 block of Warrington ave

[Kyle Cassidy]

Dang, they're grinding that thing into the dust, aren't they?

 
Sales History:
Sale Date: 5/30/2006
Sale Price: $1
Sale Type: Market Sale

Sale Date: 1/15/1999
Sale Price: $64,500
Sale Type: Market Sale

Sale Date: 12/5/1986
Sale Price: $134,500
Sale Type: Market Sale

RE: [UC] 4800 block of Warrington ave

[LowryV]

Same at the corner of 45th and Chester although I think the sign is
still there.
 

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On this nice block (around the corner from where I live) a few
months ago some buildings had new signs out front indicating they were
managed by the "Neighborhood Preservation Fund" or some such thing.
(Normally this would suggest to me an organization that had no interest
in preservation.)  
Now the signs are gone, and the weeds are growing taller and
taller, at least at 900 S. 48th St.
Does anyone know who owns / operates / manages these properties?

Owner Name:  NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION & DEV FUND LP
ST LEONARD'S COURT 3819-33 CHESTNUT ST 
PHILADELPHIA 
PA 
19104
 
BRT website (http://brtweb.phila.gov/) lists no unpaid property tax.
 
>From the Penn Cartographic Modeling Lab Neighborhood Information System
parcelBase:
 
Sales History:
Sale Date: 5/30/2006
Sale Price: $1
Sale Type: Market Sale

Sale Date: 1/15/1999
Sale Price: $64,500
Sale Type: Market Sale

Sale Date: 12/5/1986
Sale Price: $134,500
Sale Type: Market Sale

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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Q: Do all states require a registration?
A: Most states have some type of registration or filing process. It is
necessary for organizations 
contemplating fundraising activities in other states to research the
individual state reporting 
requirements to ensure compliance prior to soliciting. 
 
Q: What is the difference between a charitable organization and 501c3
status? 
A: A charitable organization is defined as any entity that solicits or
collects contributions from the 
public, where the contribution is, or is said to be used to support a
charitable activity. 
Charitable activity includes, but is not limited to, educational,
recreational, social, patriotic, legal defense, 
benevolent, or health causes. 
501c3 is a Federal tax exempt status granted by the Internal Revenue
Service. Certain requirements 
established through the Internal Revenue Code must be met in order to
receive tax exempt status. 
For specific information regarding the application process, please refer
to the IRS Web site at 
www.IRS.gov or call the Exempt Organizations Division at (877) 829-5500.
Will my nonprofit be given a 501c3 number separate from its EIN?
No. Your EIN is the only number federally associated with your
organization. If you apply for and receive 
sales tax-exemption in your state, you may have a number issued by that
state agency that is different 
from your EIN. 
 
So yes, correction, mostly Federal IRS and some State guidelines.
Bill I agree, it is not likely this stuff would hit anybodies radar.
S
 
 
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Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
 
I believe that the 501c3 status comes from the Feds, not the state.  It
is federal taxes that contributions to such organizations can be
exempted from, not state taxes.
 
I suspect the possibility of this incident arousing enough interest in a
Federal (anything) to prompt some action is near zero, but maybe I lack
imagination.  Not saying that there wasn't a situation that could be
construed as a violation, but I suspect that the folks who would look at
this have bigger fish to fry.
 
  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S. Sharrieff Ali
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:26 PM
To: 'UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN'; 'University City List'
Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
 
UCD management is accountable to it's Board of Directors.
 
UCD management by mission is accountable in part to those it 
services through geographic boundaries, it's relationships of 
support (which would include ALL the local politicians), and 
individuals who donate money to supplement the on-going 
institutional support.
 
UCD management is accountable in part to the State of Pennsylvania 
based on it's 501-C3 status.
 
If sustained funding were to happen through a local assessment,
then, in that case the UCD management would be accountable to 
the public interest based on that assessment and still would be 
accountable to a Board of Directors representative of that interest.
 
S

Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Krfapt]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 3:22:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I suspect the  possibility of this incident arousing enough interest in a 
Federal (anything)  to prompt some action is near zero, but maybe I lack 
imagination.  Not  saying that there wasn’t a situation that could be construed 
as a 
violation,  but I suspect that the folks who would look at this have bigger 
fish to  fry.


Don't bet on it. Especially if someone lodged a formal complaint.  

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Re: [UC] 4800 block of Warrington ave

[BruceWMcC]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 3:08:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

On this nice block (around the corner from where  I live) a few months ago 
some buildings had new signs out front  indicating they were managed by the 
"Neighborhood Preservation Fund" or some  such thing.  (Normally this would 
suggest to me an organization that had  no interest in preservation.)  
Now the signs are gone, and the weeds are  growing taller and taller, at 
least at 900 S. 48th St.
Does anyone know who owns / operates / manages  these properties?



Owner Name: NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION & DEV FUND  LP
ST LEONARD'S COURT 3819-33 CHESTNUT ST 
PHILADELPHIA 
PA 
19104
 
BRT website (_http://brtweb.phila.gov/_ (http://brtweb.phila.gov/) ) lists no 
unpaid  property tax.
 
>From the Penn Cartographic Modeling Lab Neighborhood Information  System 
parcelBase:
 
Sales History:
Sale Date: 5/30/2006
Sale  Price: $1
Sale Type: Market Sale

Sale  Date: 1/15/1999
Sale Price: $64,500
Sale Type: Market  Sale

Sale Date: 12/5/1986
Sale Price: $134,500
Sale Type:  Market Sale

Bruce McCullough



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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Bill Sanderson]

I believe that the 501c3 status comes from the Feds, not the state.  It is
federal taxes that contributions to such organizations can be exempted from,
not state taxes.

 

I suspect the possibility of this incident arousing enough interest in a
Federal (anything) to prompt some action is near zero, but maybe I lack
imagination.  Not saying that there wasn't a situation that could be
construed as a violation, but I suspect that the folks who would look at
this have bigger fish to fry.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of S. Sharrieff Ali
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:26 PM
To: 'UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN'; 'University City List'
Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

 

UCD management is accountable to it's Board of Directors.

 

UCD management by mission is accountable in part to those it 

services through geographic boundaries, it's relationships of 

support (which would include ALL the local politicians), and 

individuals who donate money to supplement the on-going 

institutional support.

 

UCD management is accountable in part to the State of Pennsylvania 

based on it's 501-C3 status.

 

If sustained funding were to happen through a local assessment,

then, in that case the UCD management would be accountable to 

the public interest based on that assessment and still would be 

accountable to a Board of Directors representative of that interest.

 

S

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dedicated to youth development through bicycling, needs your help!


More specifically, we need your full-sized fridge. 

Our venerable shop refrigerator is on its last legs, and our main summer 
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will be brought to by SpokesPeople in September 2007.  The Official Bike 
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Happy cycling,
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[UC] 4800 block of Warrington ave

[Vincent/Roger]

On this nice block (around the corner from where I live) a few months ago some 
buildings had new signs out front indicating they were managed by the 
"Neighborhood Preservation Fund" or some such thing.  (Normally this would 
suggest to me an organization that had no interest in preservation.)  
Now the signs are gone, and the weeds are growing taller and taller, at least 
at 900 S. 48th St.
Does anyone know who owns / operates / manages these properties?
Roger Harman

RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

UCD management is accountable to it's Board of Directors.
 
UCD management by mission is accountable in part to those it 
services through geographic boundaries, it's relationships of 
support (which would include ALL the local politicians), and 
individuals who donate money to supplement the on-going 
institutional support.
 
UCD management is accountable in part to the State of Pennsylvania 
based on it's 501-C3 status.
 
If sustained funding were to happen through a local assessment,
then, in that case the UCD management would be accountable to 
the public interest based on that assessment and still would be 
accountable to a Board of Directors representative of that interest.
 
S
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:06 PM
To: University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
 
> Ray wrote:
>> I'll certainly share ideas onlist with people about what those 
>> responsibilities are, what we expect, etc. -- so long as we're
sharing 
>> and not arguing. deal?
>>
>> I'll begin:
>>
>> 1. ucd is primarily accountable to us, not to ucd.
 
 
> Anthony West wrote:
>> Deal.
>> 
>> That is a very attractive idea indeed.
>> 
>> The only way that could possibly come into being in real life,
though, 
>> is if UCD becomes primarily, or significantly, funded by "us."
>> 
>> Do you have any suggestions on how that might be arranged, Ray? I'm
not 
>> demanding final, flawless blueprints ... just a general line of
inquiry 
>> that could be pursued and developed. If you can share any sort of
answer 
>> with us, I'll be most grateful.
 
 
 
 
so let's continue:
 
1. ucd is primarily accountable to (insert whom), not to ucd.
 
 
 
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Ray wrote:
I'll certainly share ideas onlist with people about what those 
responsibilities are, what we expect, etc. -- so long as we're sharing 
and not arguing. deal?


I'll begin:

1. ucd is primarily accountable to us, not to ucd.




Anthony West wrote:

Deal.

That is a very attractive idea indeed.

The only way that could possibly come into being in real life, though, 
is if UCD becomes primarily, or significantly, funded by "us."


Do you have any suggestions on how that might be arranged, Ray? I'm not 
demanding final, flawless blueprints ... just a general line of inquiry 
that could be pursued and developed. If you can share any sort of answer 
with us, I'll be most grateful.





so let's continue:

1. ucd is primarily accountable to (insert whom), not to ucd.



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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Here is what I would have done:
 
1)   Not suspended John at all. Why? Because suspending him with pay
sends mixed messages.
If he is presumed innocent then why suspend, if he is presumed guilty
then why with pay?
 
2)   Keeping John working says.."we are not going to make a big deal
out of this unless there is a big deal".
What is the big deal?  :
A)  A formal complaint
B)  Some sort of formal reprimand from the State of PA
C)  Money changed hands as a payment to John or UCD from Knox or
Blackwell with proof
D)  Someone was injured and a legal case was opened.
 
3)   If none of the above happened then here is the press release I
would have issued and posted to
  the UCD web-site:
 
"On behalf of UCD and its Board, we are now aware of news reports
containing a statement from a community
service volunteer who felt his community service hours were somehow
mismanaged by UCD after being
assigned to what he termed "a political rally". To date, UCD has been
assured by our Councilwoman 
Jannie Blackwell, the community related event, while serving to provide
community exposure to a potential 
Mayoral candidate, was simply a "community event" and not specifically a
political rally.
 
On behalf of UCD and it's Board I personally contacted the person who
complained in the interview and offered
our sincere apology for any discomfort he may have experienced being in
the same public park as Tom Knox.
 
On behalf of it's Board, UCD will conduct an investigation based on any
formal complaints received. For now, 
we feel it is totally appropriate to support our Supervisor Mr. John
Fenton who was mentioned in reports as the
supervisor on duty.
 
Please forward any inquiries to our 73K a year PR department
professional, attn: Whoever
 
Lewis Wendell. Executive Director UCD
 
(with minor edits of course)
 
4)   If there are any formal complaints, UCD should make them known
in a statement or let us know on advise
of legal based on a complaint or legal filing, they can not issue a
statement but will keep the "public" and UCD
supporters up-dated.
 
5)   If for whatever reason some evidence surfaced connecting John
to some illegal or unethical behavior, then, I would suspend
pending the outcome of any full investigation or legal proceedings.
 
 
The way the whole thing is being handled is an insult to an employee of
an obviously ungrateful organization.

 Clearly a mockery of public trust and interest.
 
S
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Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
 
I read your questions regarding the logic behind the UCD's responses to
the Fenton debacle.  I see the whole event differently and I'll need a
bit of a far reaching analogy to get my point across:
 
Imagine the mountains of Afghanistan and a group of our Special Forces
is trying to get certain things accomplished (find Bin Laden or
something like that).  They have a Commander that has gotten accustomed
to operating in that world.  He has learned to make friends with the
Warlords and thieves and smugglers and hookers of the area.  He gets his
best information by befriending and often paying these various seedy
characters.  Sometimes he even smuggles them guns and/or drugs to get
the information.  He is the most effective operator that we have there.
 
One day some rouge reporter discovers some paper trail of payments from
this US commander to a Warlord who also happens to have ties to Bin
Laden.  It gets out into the mainstream press and the US government ends
up court-martialing the Commander and publicly humiliating him as they
insist that they will have nothing to do with this kind of dealing.
 
This is how I see John Fenton  in a much less dramatic situation.
He has always been able to get things done.  He always seems to have
those direct contacts to people who seem to owe him reciprocal favors.
I figure that he was just doing what he does:  washing Janies hands
without knowing what the ultimate return would be.
 
If this is the correct depiction of the events then it's always a shame
when the "Dirty Harry" character has to be sacrificed in order to
protect the image of the establishment.
 
If this is not what happened then I hope all the readers enjoyed my
little fictional story.



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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Matthew Snyder]

UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

is malcolm x park within the ucd district boundaries?


No.  Here's what UCD says about their boundaries:

University City boundaries are, on the east, 29th Street and the
Schuylkill River; on the west, 50th Street; on the north, Spring
Garden Street (to 40th Street), Powelton Avenue (to 44th Street), and
Market Street; and on the south, Civic Center Boulevard, University
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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Anthony West]

Deal.

That is a very attractive idea indeed.

The only way that could possibly come into being in real life, though, is if 
UCD becomes primarily, or significantly, funded by "us."


Do you have any suggestions on how that might be arranged, Ray? I'm not 
demanding final, flawless blueprints ... just a general line of inquiry that 
could be pursued and developed. If you can share any sort of answer with us, 
I'll be most grateful.


-- Tony West

Ray wrote:
I'll certainly share ideas onlist with people about what those 
responsibilities are, what we expect, etc. -- so long as we're sharing and 
not arguing. deal?


I'll begin:

1. ucd is primarily accountable to us, not to ucd.




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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Mike V.]

Come on, Al.  How about a little "honesty and candor" here?
 
- Mike V.

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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News



In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:30:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I think I may have asked this before, Al, but how much do you make?  I
just want to know so that I can call you the "$xxx,xxx,xxx landlord"
instead of referring to you by name.
 

When my income is obtained from the taxpayers under threat of legal
action for withholding the surcharges placed on them for their share, it
will be a matter of public record. Then if you're one of those paying or
subject to its "police powers," you'll not only know it but will be
within both your rights and your propriety to critize the amount if you
think it's too much.
 
Al Krigman
The "$xxx,xxx,xxx landlord" (move aside, Dave Adelman and Michale Karp)




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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
/So what would Laserbeam PR do if you'd been hired by UCD to deal with 
this?/


You know, I asked this question a couple of days ago, and Krigman Al 
suggested that we withhold our judgment. 

Since then, everybody's been rushing to judge. 

This listserv is impossible to satisfy.  I suspect that the UCD has come 
to the conclusion that it isn't worth trying.


So, Ray, tell us what you'd do?



hi melani. it was kyle who just said what ucd's pr flackette 
should do. are you judging me or kyle by not challenging 
kyle about that?




Kyle Cassidy wrote:
They probably just don't want to draw attention to it.
99% of the people in this neighborhood, I'll bet, have zero
idea that this is happening. I think any PR flackette,
whether trying to scrape by on $74,000 a year or not, would
advise "don't make a lot of noise about this, wait till the
investigation's over, keep emptying trash cans and sweeping
the streets."



- - - -

I think your earlier question about 'where do we go from 
here' is a good one, because an incident like this brings to 
the forefront all those questions and issues of 
accountability, oversight, transparency, process, etc. that 
we've often previously discussed onlist wrt ucd. and I've 
already offered my opinion about this incident:



this incident is certainly showing us something about what
ucd's responsibilities are, what our responsibilites are.



I'll certainly share ideas onlist with people about what 
those responsibilities are, what we expect, etc. -- so long 
as we're sharing and not arguing. deal?


I'll begin:

1. ucd is primarily accountable to us, not to ucd.




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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Krfapt]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:30:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think I may have asked this before, Al,  but how much do you make?  I just 
want to know so that I can call you the  "$xxx,xxx,xxx landlord" instead of 
referring to you by name.
 



When my income is obtained from the taxpayers under threat of legal action  
for withholding the surcharges placed on them for their share, it will be a  
matter of public record. Then if you're one of those paying or subject  to its 
"police powers," you'll not only know it but will be within both  your rights 
and your propriety to critize the amount if you think it's too  much.
 
Al Krigman
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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Elizabeth F Campion]

Some job descriptions are more difficult to define than others, but I
think it is fair to say...
... Once salary is accepted, work-effort is required.

Most of us know that it is not possible to please all of the people, all
of the time.
And many of us have learned to handle the rewards and dismissals that
come from being squeaky wheels.


On Thu, 24 May 2007 11:15:35 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

This listserv is impossible to satisfy.  I suspect that the UCD has come
to the conclusion that it isn't worth trying.

So, Ray, tell us what you'd do?

Melani Lamond

RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Mike V.]

Apparently when "Honest" Al Krigman asks "How are you doing?", he
expects a full report on your health, how much you're paying your
doctor, a listing of potential risk factors and a stool sample.
 
- Mike V.

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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News



so what's dishonest about issuing a statement to the media saying "we're
conducting an investigation"?



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To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So what would Laserbeam PR do if you'd been hired by UCD to deal
with this?
   

I can't speak for laserbeam PR. But LOG (Left of Grozny) PR would have
tried honesty and candor.

Always at your service & ready for a dialog,
Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and
all-around crank,






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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Mike V.]

I think I may have asked this before, Al, but how much do you make?  I
just want to know so that I can call you the "$xxx,xxx,xxx landlord"
instead of referring to you by name.
 
- Mike V.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:45 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News



In a message dated 5/23/2007 11:18:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

does anyone know how/where/when this official statement will 
be made public?

The UCReview did carry it in the article. It was one paragraph near the
end.
 
And Tony is correct in that UCD wasn't obligated in any specific way to
release this statement, nor are they obligated to disclose what they're
doing to investigate the incident, etc.
 
But what they're "obligated" to do is one thing. Something entirely
different is what an organization should do if it's trying to press an
initiative that will take taxpayers' money under force of law, and have
a quasi-governmental authority over the neighborhood and its evolution.
Especially in view of the concern expressed by many in this community
about lack of transparency, programs that do not reflect the vision of
the vast majority of stakeholders, the secretive way in which the
"steering committee" was selected &c &c &c.
 
What Wendell Lewis and the $74,000 flackette are doing is proving the
point made by the opponents of the NID, that the proposed organization
will not operate in the open. 
 
Al Krigman
Left of Alexander the Great and Bucephalis (didn't want to bring in the
guy who rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, Michael)




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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Lomb21]

I read your questions regarding the logic behind the UCD's responses to the  
Fenton debacle.  I see the whole event differently and I'll need a bit of a  
far reaching analogy to get my point across:
 
Imagine the mountains of Afghanistan and a group of our Special Forces is  
trying to get certain things accomplished (find Bin Laden or something like  
that).  They have a Commander that has gotten accustomed to operating in  that 
world.  He has learned to make friends with the Warlords and thieves  and 
smugglers and hookers of the area.  He gets his best information by  
befriending and 
often paying these various seedy characters.  Sometimes he  even smuggles 
them guns and/or drugs to get the information.  He is the  most effective 
operator that we have there.
 
One day some rouge reporter discovers some paper trail of payments from  this 
US commander to a Warlord who also happens to have ties to Bin Laden.   It 
gets out into the mainstream press and the US government ends up  
court-martialing the Commander and publicly humiliating him as they insist that 
 they will 
have nothing to do with this kind of dealing.
 
This is how I see John Fenton  in a much less dramatic  situation.  He 
has always been able to get things done.  He always  seems to have those direct 
contacts to people who seem to owe him reciprocal  favors.  I figure that he 
was just doing what he does:  washing Janies  hands without knowing what the 
ultimate return would be.
 
If this is the correct depiction of the events then it's always a shame  when 
the "Dirty Harry" character has to be sacrificed in order to protect the  
image of the establishment.
 
If this is not what happened then I hope all the readers enjoyed my little  
fictional story.



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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Krfapt]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:17:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Since  then, everybody's been rushing to judge.  


I was suggesting we withhold judgement on John Fenton because we didn't  know 
the facts (although they've slowly been emerging).
 
What's going on now is different. We DO know that Wendell Lewis declined to  
speak to the reporter from the University City Review.
 
We DO know that the $74,000 flackette declined to speak with the same  
reporter but only offered to send over the "prepared" statement.
 
We DO know that UCD has not been forthright or transparent about discussing  
this issue in the open. And while some aspects of the issue this might have 
been  acceptable to safeguard the privacy and other rights of John Fenton 
before 
 Channel 6 identified him (the DN, as I recall, didn't name names), once he 
had  been "outed" UCD could have gone totally public.
 
So, if this is what we're "judging," the evidence is in. And UCD is  guilty.
 
As far as John is concerned, that's still open.
 
Krigman Al
Left of Grozny Ivan



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[UC] XM Radio

[Cindy Miller]

Anyone on this list have experience with XM Radio in the home?


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[Kyle Cassidy]

so what's dishonest about issuing a statement to the media saying "we're 
conducting an investigation"?



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 5/24/2007 11:19 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:

So what would Laserbeam PR do if you'd been hired by UCD to deal with 
this?


I can't speak for laserbeam PR. But LOG (Left of Grozny) PR would have tried 
honesty and candor. 
 
Always at your service & ready for a dialog,
Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and 
all-around crank,






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[Krfapt]

 
In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So what would Laserbeam PR do if you'd been hired by UCD to deal with  this?



I can't speak for laserbeam PR. But LOG (Left of Grozny) PR would have  tried 
honesty and candor.  

Always at  your service & ready for a dialog,
Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident,  housing provider, curmudgeon, and 
all-around  crank,




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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[MLamond]

In a message dated 5/24/07 11:07:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> So what would Laserbeam PR do if you'd been hired by UCD to deal with this?
> 
> You know, I asked this question a couple of days ago, and Krigman Al 
suggested that we withhold our judgment.   

Since then, everybody's been rushing to judge.   

This listserv is impossible to satisfy.   I suspect that the UCD has come to 
the conclusion that it isn't worth trying.

So, Ray, tell us what you'd do?

Melani Lamond





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Urban & Bye, Realtor
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Philadelphia, PA 19104
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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Kyle Cassidy]

So what would Laserbeam PR do if you'd been hired by UCD to deal with this?




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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

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Kyle Cassidy wrote:
 They probably just don't want to draw attention to it. 99% of the 
people in this neighborhood, I'll bet, have zero idea that this is 
happening. I think any PR flackette, whether trying to scrape by on 
$74,000 a year or not, would advise "don't make a lot of noise about 
this, wait till the investigation's over, keep emptying trash cans and 
sweeping the streets."



you've just described exactly what a pr professional 
SHOULDN'T do.


think about it. (next time you're at the green line, sipping 
your double shot latte -- while thumbing the local rags, 
browsing the online blogs, eavesdropping on the rumors 
buzzing over at the next table...)



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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Kyle, your comments would make sense if ABC News, 
Daily News, DP, UC-Review (cover story), City Paper 
had not covered the story and it was just "gossip". 

Once it broke in The Daily News, they should have 
prepared a coherent statement for the public via their 
web-site supporting John until further notice since
he was suspended "with pay".

It really looked ridiculous to have one of the student
community service workers quoting Lewis Wendell saying
he called me and said "I didn't know anything about this".

Asleep at the wheel? ...again?

If you are paying someone 74K a year to handle public 
relations, they should understand the value of transparency 
in a situation like this.

So..lets VOTE!!!


A)  Totally Clueless

B)  Hiding Something

C)  All of the Above



S



-Original Message-
From: Kyle Cassidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:31 AM
To: S. Sharrieff Ali; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News


>Oh..I forgot..where is their statement again?  



 They probably just don't want to draw attention to it. 99% of the
people in this neighborhood, I'll bet, have zero idea that this is
happening. I think any PR flackette, whether trying to scrape by on
$74,000 a year or not, would advise "don't make a lot of noise about
this, wait till the investigation's over, keep emptying trash cans and
sweeping the streets."



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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Kyle Cassidy]

>Oh..I forgot..where is their statement again?  



 They probably just don't want to draw attention to it. 99% of the people in 
this neighborhood, I'll bet, have zero idea that this is happening. I think any 
PR flackette, whether trying to scrape by on $74,000 a year or not, would 
advise "don't make a lot of noise about this, wait till the investigation's 
over, keep emptying trash cans and sweeping the streets."

RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Al, I will support your comments below.
 
My point is..while they are not obligated..it is just common sense
relationship and image management to do so. It makes it so "shady"
not to have transparency on their web-site.
 
Typical of UCD. I just don't "get" them at all. From a business
perspective
it would seem UCD would prefer to protect an asset such as Mr. Fenton.
 
Do they know what it would cost them to train someone into his position?

 
If someone replaced him with prior experience it would still take quite
a
bit of time to build the relationships necessary to fulfill his position
or to have 
the real "know-how" to partially fill his shoes. Regardless of any
"politics" 
involved, it doesn't make sense at the bottom-line.
 
If I were John, I would feel a bit insulted by the Board of Directors.
 
Where is their business savvy? Were is their loyalty? 
 
Oh..I forgot..where is their statement again?  
 
S
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:45 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
 
In a message dated 5/23/2007 11:18:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
does anyone know how/where/when this official statement will 
be made public?
The UCReview did carry it in the article. It was one paragraph near the
end.
 
And Tony is correct in that UCD wasn't obligated in any specific way to
release this statement, nor are they obligated to disclose what they're
doing to investigate the incident, etc.
 
But what they're "obligated" to do is one thing. Something entirely
different is what an organization should do if it's trying to press an
initiative that will take taxpayers' money under force of law, and have
a quasi-governmental authority over the neighborhood and its evolution.
Especially in view of the concern expressed by many in this community
about lack of transparency, programs that do not reflect the vision of
the vast majority of stakeholders, the secretive way in which the
"steering committee" was selected &c &c &c.
 
What Wendell Lewis and the $74,000 flackette are doing is proving the
point made by the opponents of the NID, that the proposed organization
will not operate in the open. 
 
Al Krigman
Left of Alexander the Great and Bucephalis (didn't want to bring in the
guy who rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, Michael)



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RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Kyle Cassidy]

The DP article seems to present it as "politician dupes local good-guy into 
helping out disguised political ralley"

the malcom x park web page says that a church group was indeed having an event 
in the park that day and had reserved the gazebo. though i also have problems 
with UCD helping out a church group. perhaps jannie thought "i'll just pump up 
the church event with some free BBQ, and then i'll go over to the church picnic 
and campaign. how clever!"

>From the DP article:

"Blackwell admitted to asking John Fenton, who was supervising the community 
service effort, to bring 
some workers to the rally, but maintained that the event was not intended to 
represent any one political bent."

"no one political bent" just her and tom knox. that's two political bents.

Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
does anyone know how/where/when this official statement will
be made public?

The UCReview did carry it in the article. It was one paragraph near the end.



yes, I saw that, but do we know if that was the whole 
statement? the uc review mentions the statement, and then 
says: 'in it, Wendell states that..."




What Wendell Lewis and the $74,000 flackette are doing is proving the 
point made by the opponents of the NID, that the proposed organization 
will not operate in the open.


this incident is certainly showing us something about what 
ucd's responsibilities are, what our responsibilites are.


it seems that everyone involved in this incident has had an 
opportunity to speak publicly -- wendell, the students 
walker and doto, blackwell, knox -- everyone except john fenton.




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the uc review also says that, according to the student luke 
walker, ucd employees were also used to help set up the 
event, not just the 2 penn students. it was one of the 
students who broke the story to the daily news last week.
























































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Re: [UC] Knox/Blackwell article in City Paper

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John Ellingsworth wrote:

http://www.citypaper.net/articles/2007/05/17/knoxs-landing




also in the dp:

http://tinyurl.com/27da9p


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Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[Anthony West]

They could, I suppose. But since they gave the statement to the Review, and 
the Review published it, and the Review is online, you can read it at 
www.weeklypress.com.


-- Tony West

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It should be on their web-site, why should we
search around for it.




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It should be on their web-site, why should we 
search around for it.

S

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:17 PM
To: University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Add this to the story in today's University City Review in which
Wendel  
> Lewis "said that all media contacts have to go through UCD's
spokesperson, Lori  
> Klein Brennan [aka the $74,000 flackette]... Brennan declined to go
into detail 
> but instead sent over a copy of UCD's official statement."



does anyone know how/where/when this official statement will 
be made public?


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In a message dated 5/23/2007 11:18:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

does  anyone know how/where/when this official statement will 
be made  public?


The UCReview did carry it in the article. It was one paragraph near the  end.
 
And Tony is correct in that UCD wasn't obligated in any specific  way to 
release this statement, nor are they obligated to disclose what  they're doing 
to 
investigate the incident, etc.
 
But what they're "obligated" to do is one thing. Something entirely  
different is what an organization should do if it's trying to  press an 
initiative 
that will take taxpayers' money under force of  law, and have a 
quasi-governmental authority over the neighborhood and its  evolution. 
Especially in view of 
the concern expressed by many in this community  about lack of transparency, 
programs that do not reflect the vision of the vast  majority of stakeholders, 
the secretive way in which the "steering committee"  was selected &c &c &c.
 
What Wendell Lewis and the $74,000 flackette are doing is proving the point  
made by the opponents of the NID, that the proposed organization will not  
operate in the open.  

Al  Krigman
Left of Alexander the Great and Bucephalis (didn't want to bring in  the guy 
who rode into Jerusalem on a donkey,  Michael)




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