[UC] Yet more help from Hollywood (was stickups on 43rd & 45th streets)

[Joe Clarke]

What irritates me is there is yet another movie coming from Hollywood 
that glorifies the violence.  In American  Gangster 
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0765429/)
Denzel Washington stars as the head of an organized crime ring in 
Harlem, who because his crew is black, have to fight the Italian, Irish 
and Jewish mobs
to get their respect and piece of the pie.  It's a feel good, family 
movie for African Americans who can now take pride in their
accomplishments in the arena of organized crime(?), prostitution, drugs 
and assorted mayhem.  Hollywood, or some of the ruthless predators of 
peoples dreams, needs to be reined in.  Even
when the bad guy gets it in the end, he still gets to have a lot of fun 
killing people with all new and exotic weaponry - and
that's Cool?!  The glorification of violence whether it's retributive 
justice, a la the Western frontier, or slasher films which simply
aim to titillate with their erotic horror, the exhibition of violence, 
itself, shapes peoples minds towards it as a way of conflict resolution.


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Re: [UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpoint last night

[Wilma de Soto]

Hey Mario.

With ALL due respect to your assertions, what you¹ve stated has ALWAYS been
a part of being Black in America.

What gets ME is that these last two (perhaps more) generations have had more
opportunities than those of us who came of age during the 1970¹s (like me)
or before.

Conspicuous consumerism and street culture has been overly marketed without
adult temperance.

What gets ME, is that the Hip-Hop thing started in 1978 with the Sugar Hill
Gang, rapping to what was a disco song, ³Good Times².  In my life I have
NEVER seen pop music last more than a year, let alone 30 years.

Not that there weren¹t political rappers before this.  We had ³The Last
Poets², Gil-Scott Heron, ³Nikki Giovanni² EVEN ³Jocko Henderson² (WHO?), on
WDAS!

This conspicuous consumerism gangster thing was started by ³Suge² Knight.  A
REAL criminal whom everyone tried to emulate.  WHY, I don¹t know.

People such as Tupac Shakur, Snoop Doggy Dogg, and Sean ³Puff Daddy² Combes
AND ³Ice-T²,  were actually college people!!  They have spent their careers
disparaging education for the sake of fame and fortune.  Black youth have
bought into it.

Sure, there is resentment and easy pickins¹ of the gentrifying community.

It¹s just another version of ³Grand Theft Auto² now.  A game; a rush; a
thrill. 

Anti-social personality disorder,( now increasing and called before
Sociopathy and/or Psychopathy), is being marketed as the norm without
restraint from adults.  The people who have realized this and spoken up, (to
wit Bill Cosby), are publicly derided and cowed into not speaking up.

Bloody awful this.  If I see ONE more C-SPAN Hip-Hop Culture Summit with
College Professors (who teach courses about it), defending it...well, I
don¹t know WHAT I¹ll do, but it won¹t be good.


On 9/4/07 11:41 AM, "Mario Giorno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mark,
> 
>  Just keep everyone in the loop. This listserv, the old UC listserv, the
> police both on-campus and off, the local politicians and their staff, the
> newspapers like the DP and the Inquirer, etc. The kids that are coming over to
> UC to rob people or commit violent assaults are more than likely doing it out
> of shear hatred of the denizens of UC rather than getting money to survive.
> it's their way of scaring and humiliating those of us who live and work here
> and prosper. They don't prosper. They subsist in West Philly and get nowhere.
> No jobs, no decent higher education, nasty looks from the police, etc. They're
> trying to make everyone east of 52nd St. feel their pain by passing it on.
> 
> 
> Mario Giorno
> 
> On 9/4/07, Stephen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm sorry to hear about the robbery.  Do you know what time it
>> occurred?  That's a heavily populated corner, so it's surprising that
>> it happened there.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Stephen
>> 
>> On Sep 4, 2007, at 10:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> My roommate got robbed at gunpoint last night near 43rd and
>> Baltimore. Luckily, he wasn't hurt, but the people who robbed him
>> (three young black men on BMX bikes) took his wallet and phone.  The
>> police said they robbed someone else at 42nd and Locust too.
>> 
>> I'm sure someone will be along shortly to point out how statistically
>> safe our University City Village is.  However, the fact remains that
>> residents of our neighborhood are accosted by men with guns on a very
>> regular basis.
>> 
>> Mark
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[UC] Someone's Open Letter To West Philly

[Craigsolve]

As an individual who has been engaged in multi-decade real estate  
development and the pursuit of social justice in W & SW Philly, both as a  
Democrat and 
a Passionate Conservative, I at this time pass-on this  letter.
 
With each new school year to mark the changing landscape of people  places 
successes failures fear and joy, I think it, along with the recent  crime 
discussion, reminds us that all is not well in what is one of the greatest  
mini-kingdoms in all of our beloved and dreaded Philadelphia.
 
For those of you who demand, "Who wrote it?" I can only say I do not  think 
that is the greater issue. It was forwarded to me by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
 
It is good to see the new posters to the list.
 
Ciao,
 
Craig
 
 
Open Letter To West Philly

By A Concerned  Relation I got a email invite last week for the offices
of the State  representative network. I stopped by and slide down to
Clark park as well,  here is some thoughts.

So, now that the brew pub is open at 50th and  baltimore it had occurred
to me that maybe now was the right time to write  this letter. When you
go and sit around all day outside
the satellite  coffee shop, do you ever think about your role in
gentrification? I cannot  help but ask this question because sometimes
I pass by and I see what to my  eye looks like a white settler
occupation beachhead down there across from  cedar park, with an
increasing number of white homeowners within a one block  radius and
perhaps more disturbingly, Penn students/employees buying houses  up to
52nd street with school subsidies.

I remember a time not that  long ago when it seemed like there was a
conversation going on in West Philly  about gentrification and how to
organize against what was about to go down...  and then people seemed
to stop being engaged, maybe they got busy or  something. Well, while
you were having fun and going to dance parties, guess  what happened?
THERES A BREW PUB AT 50th and Baltimore, and a YOGA STUDIO and  a
COFFEE SHOP. HELLO.

Now I am not one to argue that everything is  black and white and that
those things plus a bunch of white folks moving into  a neighborhood
simply equals gentrification, but in this case its really hard  to see
it as anything else. I suppose partly because nobody seems to give  a
shit and ya'll are going on with your hipster lifestyles. I mean
christ,  the brew pub is open and nobody broke the fucking windows yet.
It was bad  enough when trader joes got a compactor and nobody
sabotaged it. IS THIS WEST  PHILLY OR WHAT? Aren't ya'll supposed to be
anarchists or something? If shit  gets to a certain point don't you
need to take direct action if you failed to  engage in the process that
could have stopped it? A bunch of you are white  homeowners, you could
have been at the neighborhood meetings, you could have  stopped that
shit. And what's with letting these snot-nosed hipster fucks  move into
the neighborhood so they can look cool? Are you really just going  to
accept this manifest destiny bullshit or are you going to  take
responsibility for where you live and for what you have helped  happen.
Silence equals consent remember? People fight and organize  around
gentrification in places like New York, Miami and San Francisco  and
win their battles against much fiercer odds. Penn is not  an
unstoppable juggernaught and neither are developers, ya'll just  gotta
get down with the neighborhood and start building some people  power,
have concrete demands, know where to put pressure and have  an
alternate plan. Organizing is not rocket science, and at a  certain
point white guilt builds into not doing anything and playing a part  in
the white agenda - don't get caught up in that shit, its just as bad
as  not acknowledging your privilege in the first place, in fact its
worse. Are  you just turning into liberals as you get older?

Maybe if ya'll got your  act together in the neighborhood we could
start working on city-wide issues  again, like how the cops have
declared open season on black folks the past  couple years, or about
how they're building prisons and condos while there's  homeless folks
on the streets and people are hungry and there's no health  care and
there's no jobs. If you were a bunch of socialists you would have  done
something by now and there would be an organization and a  program.
This is a kick in the butt. Don't get so comfortable in your  urban
cool lifestyles, push yourselves, get back into politics and be  part
of organizing and action or move out - we don't need you if your  just
going to play your part in the developer agenda.

Damn it! When I  look around the city it's happening every where, N.
Liberties, Strawberry  Mansion, South Philadelphia, Kensington, I mean
most areas of the city. Then  all across the united states of America
we see the gentrification taking  place.

While we focus on the violence, which is part fear and  hopelessness.
...what does the rich versus poor really mean? psychol

[UC] Town Watch Mtg (was 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpoint last night)

[naomifior]

For anyone interested, 5000 Catharine St is organizing an Eyes & Ears Town 
Watch training on September 20 Thursday at 6:30pm. The Eyes & Ears is a 
non-patrolling Town Watch funded by the city to train city residents in ways to 
make & keep their neighborhood safe. 

It is free and we are opening it to anyone in West Philly that wants to come. I 
am unsure of the final location but it will be in or near Cedar Park (possibly 
in a neighboring church). Their will also be one other representative from 
another TownWatch program with additional information. I will be glad to post 
full details as soon as I hear back if anyone wants to attend. 

Naomi
50th & Catharine


>From: Mario Giorno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2007/09/04 Tue AM 11:39:37 CDT
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: UnivCity listserv 
>Subject: [UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at 
>gunpoint last night

>Mike,
>
>     The risk/reward ratio makes the money seem risky. I'll admit that if 
>someone were an addict and had a gun, they'd rob anyone no matter what the 
>risk. There are crimes of desperation that play out here in UC, but they're 
>outnumbered by what are mainly crimes of social revenge and hateful antagonism.
>
>On 9/4/07, Brian Siano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Hello Stephen:
>>> I'm sorry to hear about the robbery.  Do you know what time it occurred?
>> Yes, he was robbed around 11:30 p.m. last night near 43rd and Baltimore.
>>> That's a heavily populated corner, so it's surprising that it
>>> happened there.
>> Honestly, I'm not surprised.  I think that the whole of University
>> City is far less safe than we'd all like to think.
>It's also right down the street from where I live, which makes it
>extremely important in every empirical sense that I can think of.
>
>Who was organizing a Town Watch?
>
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Re: [UC] Re: B and B info?

[Anthony West]

Perhaps they misheard, Ray. I specifically identified you as being 
familiar to me and the community from UC-list; that's how I know you and 
how we heard about the exhibit, I told them. It's often the case, during 
the course of a 45-mn interview, that not everybody focuses on 
everything the other person said with 100% accuracy.


Since the item is timely with respect to the "meet the artist" event, 
the entertainment editor is back in town and has reserved a hole in this 
Thursday's edition, so Sarah's and Dejáy's needs will be met. I'll be 
happy to talk with them then and clarify our mutual understanding face 
to face when next we meet.


In any event, you can't know yourself what was or not said, can you? You 
weren't there; I was. Earlier, I had requested information directly from 
you and you did not respond. So you're out of the picture. You removed 
yourself.


-- Tony West


UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:

Anthony West wrote:
In the meantime, I thoroughly informed my interviewees of the 
existence of UC-list


as I've already pointed out, this is false. you did not tell the 
gallery anything about this list.


you're entitled to continue the creepy practice of posting falsehoods 
about others on a listserv after visiting their office, posing as a 
reporter. and you're entitled to continue lecturing list people about 
fair writing and how to identify themselves. but it doesn't make sense 
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Re: [UC] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpoint last night

[Elizabeth F Campion]

I am sorry that your roommate suffered the horrific experience of being
robbed at gun point.
I hope he recovers his emotional equilibrium quickly and completely and
that he is made whole for any losses.

As you predicted, someone, me, has an objection to your post.
"regular basis" is hard to define and inflammatory.

I have lived between 43rd and 49th for 50 of my 52 years.
My husband has lived between 45th and 49th for the past 20 years.
My daughter between 39th and 49th for 21 years,
My son between 45th and 49th for 16 years and
our foster Daughter between 30th and 64th Street for many years.
Not one of us has ever been robbed at gun point.
Collectively, we have over 120 gun-crime free years.
None of our tenants have ever been robbed at gunpoint.
None of my close friends who live nearby has ever been robbed at gun
point.

We believe those who have had the experience, but
it is not an experience I would define as "normal" or "regular".

I think you and I can agree that:
Once is too often
More should be done to keep guns away from children and
criminals.

It makes me especially sad, because I felt as if the foot traffic around
the GREENLINE has made us all a little safer and better connected.
I wonder if the ATM at the Best House is the attractive nuisance.
I remember when an ADA was shot and killed at an ATM in Society Hill near
2nd and Pine.
At first there was some fear it was retaliation, but it turned out to be
a robbery gone very, very bad.

Over the weekend, my assistant, a PENN Sophomore, had her purse taken by
a sneak thief, who was able to remove it from the bench she was sitting
on, at 40th and Locust, without her notice.  

Welcome back to a new school year in University City.
The neighborhood will be at its most chaotic (and most vulnerable) until
the neighbors adjust to its changing population and people have a sense
of who belongs where, how to cross the street at a busy intersection, and
how to honor bike lanes.
I hope we all operate with heightened awareness and consideration.

Thanks for the warning.

Liz
 

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:59:47 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> My roommate got robbed at gunpoint last night near 43rd and 
> Baltimore. 
> Luckily, he wasn't hurt, but the people who robbed him (three young 
> black 
> men on BMX bikes) took his wallet and phone.  The police said they 
> robbed 
> someone else at 42nd and Locust too.
> 
> I'm sure someone will be along shortly to point out how 
> statistically safe 
> our University City Village is.  However, the fact remains that 
> residents 
> of our neighborhood are accosted by men with guns on a very regular 
> basis.
> 
> Mark

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Re: [UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpointlast night

[deeno7100]

Although?it was simply?my opinion on why people come to UC to?rob folks and how 
to decrease your chances, i'm not sure how it could be "completely?incorrect". 
I am not a paid expert and it was no analysis at all, just?some 
humble?suggestions. I agree with you?that you can't?avoid?it all the time?but 
the little things really do?help - such as keeping your head up and eyes open, 
traveling with others, and not wearing the head phones/talking on the phone. I 
just wanted to point out that the reasons people think we (UC)?are being 
victimized all of a sudden are not that deep.?In simple form: It was West 
Philly, then?it was?called University City?(the marketing version complete with 
logo and catchphrase)?to jack up?the?values of homes, and now . it's still 
West Philly. So, until the gap between rich and poor in America?is closed or 
there are police officers on every corner in UC ...?I'll continue to be alert 
at night. 




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gunpointlast night


Hello deeno7100:?
?
> street. This has nothing to do with jealousy or hatred and everything to > do 
> with "street-not-so-smart" students?walking up and down the?area with > [...]?
> city (before all of it's?real estate glory) is West Philly. Until people > 
> realize that this is big city living and you must walk the streets alert > at 
> night?the robberies?will continue to happen. Police can't be > everywhere all 
> the time. I have lived here for 25 years and never have > been robbed once, 
> if you look like a victim you will probably?become?
?
Your analysis is completely incorrect, and your "tough talk" advice equally 
inappropriate.?
?
My roommate is a lifelong Philadelphian, born and raised in Roxborough, and a 
graduate of the public school system. He knows a thing or two about being 
"street smart" and not looking "like a victim."?
?
All of the street smarts in the world aren't going to help you when three young 
men ride up to you on bicycles at 43rd and Baltimore and stick a gun in your 
face. My roommate's only mistake was walking around his own neighborhood after 
dark.?
?
Thanks for blaming the victim!?
?
Mark?
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Re: Re: [UC] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpoint last night

[paintered]

=they probably needed air for their tires,you know it costs 
1.00 for air at gas stations.If their fast enough they all can refill their 
tires to continue to menace west philly
From: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2007/09/04 Tue PM 12:22:47 CDT
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Subject: Re: [UC] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpoint last night

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My roommate got robbed at gunpoint last night near 43rd and Baltimore. 
> Luckily, he wasn't hurt, but the people who robbed him (three young 
> black men on BMX bikes) took his wallet and phone.  The police said they 
> robbed someone else at 42nd and Locust too.
> 
> I'm sure someone will be along shortly to point out how statistically 
> safe our University City Village is.  However, the fact remains that 
> residents of our neighborhood are accosted by men with guns on a very 
> regular basis.




yikes. what time were these incidents? (roughly)


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Re: [UC] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpoint last night

[nrvs]

Hello Ray:


yikes. what time were these incidents? (roughly)


My roommate was robbed at 43rd and Baltimore at around 11:30.  I don't 
know when the robbery at 42nd and Locust occurred, but I may be able to 
find out later.


Mark

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Re: [UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpointlast night

[nrvs]

Hello deeno7100:

street. This has nothing to do with jealousy or hatred and everything to 
do with "street-not-so-smart" students?walking up and down the?area with 
[...]
city (before all of it's?real estate glory) is West Philly. Until people 
realize that this is big city living and you must walk the streets alert 
at night?the robberies?will continue to happen. Police can't be 
everywhere all the time. I have lived here for 25 years and never have 
been robbed once, if you look like a victim you will probably?become


Your analysis is completely incorrect, and your "tough talk" advice 
equally inappropriate.


My roommate is a lifelong Philadelphian, born and raised in Roxborough, 
and a graduate of the public school system.  He knows a thing or two about 
being "street smart" and not looking "like a victim."


All of the street smarts in the world aren't going to help you when three 
young men ride up to you on bicycles at 43rd and Baltimore and stick a gun 
in your face.  My roommate's only mistake was walking around his own 
neighborhood after dark.


Thanks for blaming the victim!

Mark

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Re: [UC] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpoint last night

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My roommate got robbed at gunpoint last night near 43rd and Baltimore. 
Luckily, he wasn't hurt, but the people who robbed him (three young 
black men on BMX bikes) took his wallet and phone.  The police said they 
robbed someone else at 42nd and Locust too.


I'm sure someone will be along shortly to point out how statistically 
safe our University City Village is.  However, the fact remains that 
residents of our neighborhood are accosted by men with guns on a very 
regular basis.





yikes. what time were these incidents? (roughly)


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Re: [UC] Interesting news item #2

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Al Krigman wrote:
The whole real estate purchasing market has been turned on its head. 
Huge numbers of investment properties are now for rent rather than for 
sale. Below is a news item indicating that a big condo project on 
Venice Island (in the Schuykill across from Manayunk) is being 
converted to rentals.
 
This project was very contentious in Manayunk -- and got zoning 
approval partly based on the "owner-occupant" argument. Will this be 
Penn's next move with the conversion of the Isenlohr mansion (42nd & 
Pine) to condos. The anointed at SHCA gave their blessing to this 
project -- switching their stand from the usual opposition to high 
density housing to approval owing to owner occupancy. What will happen 
if Penn decides it can't find any "small families" to buy their condos 
and wants to make it rental?



Brian Siano wrote:
Offhand, I'd guess "they'd rent the condos out as apartments." Or 
"they'll sell the building to someone who'll rent them out as apartments."





does anyone know if those condos at 42nd and pine are 
occupied now? how many of the condos have been sold so far? 
how many people are living there now?



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(I think, whether owned or rented, the spaces at the condos 
on 42nd and pine would amount to about the same 
number/density of people, no?  but it's true that we often 
hear in the press that it's the renters [more specifically, 
the student renters] who make the neighborhood unstable, who 
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Re: [UC] Re: B and B info?

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Anthony West wrote:
In the meantime, I thoroughly informed my interviewees of the existence 
of UC-list




as I've already pointed out, this is false. you did not tell 
the gallery anything about this list.


you're entitled to continue the creepy practice of posting 
falsehoods about others on a listserv after visiting their 
office, posing as a reporter. and you're entitled to 
continue lecturing list people about fair writing and how to 
identify themselves. but it doesn't make sense to do both, 
as you've done here.



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Re: [UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpointlast night

[deeno7100]

"The kids that are coming over to UC to rob people or commit violent assaults 
are more than likely doing it out of shear hatred of the denizens of UC rather 
than getting money to survive."


Not true at all, people are coming in to University City to rob people because 
they now?get more than they were robbing people past 52nd street. This has 
nothing to do with jealousy or hatred and everything to do with 
"street-not-so-smart" students?walking up and down the?area with their i-pod on 
or chatting away on the cell phone. This does not require any sort of 
detailed?research or in-depth study of society. University city (before all of 
it's?real estate glory) is West Philly. Until people realize that this is big 
city living and you must walk the streets alert at night?the robberies?will 
continue to happen. Police can't be everywhere all the time. I have lived here 
for 25 years and never have been robbed once, if you look like a victim you 
will probably?become one. These robberies have gone on for years at this same 
pace (although it's now reported more) and it's good to finally see that the 
folks living here now care about?the problem?and report it properly. Hopefully!
  the tides will turn, police are here to assist and apprehend?but it is 
ultimately the responsibility of?an individual to protect one's self. I'm not 
saying pick up a gun but just a little alertness and common sense can go a long 
way. We in UC are known for being "easy targets"  ?I hear the talk on the 
street. And, they do not do it to?"survive" (like robbing people to go feed 
their kids), it's more of a lifestyle and a source of braggadocio amongst teens 
- and a way to be financially stable for at least a?night - which unfortunately 
is as far ahead as they see.??




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[UC] RE: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpointlast night

[Mike V.]

That's an entertaining theory, Mario, but falls well foul of Occam's
razor.
 
- Mike V.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario
Giorno
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: UnivCity listserv
Subject: Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at
gunpointlast night


Mike,

 The risk/reward ratio makes the money seem risky. I'll admit that
if someone were an addict and had a gun, they'd rob anyone no matter
what the risk. There are crimes of desperation that play out here in UC,
but they're outnumbered by what are mainly crimes of social revenge and
hateful antagonism. 


On 9/4/07, Brian Siano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello Stephen:
>> I'm sorry to hear about the robbery.  Do you know what time it
occurred?
> Yes, he was robbed around 11:30 p.m. last night near 43rd and
Baltimore. 
>> That's a heavily populated corner, so it's surprising that it
>> happened there.
> Honestly, I'm not surprised.  I think that the whole of University
> City is far less safe than we'd all like to think. 
It's also right down the street from where I live, which makes it
extremely important in every empirical sense that I can think of.

Who was organizing a Town Watch?

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[UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpoint last night

[Mario Giorno]

Mike,

 The risk/reward ratio makes the money seem risky. I'll admit that if
someone were an addict and had a gun, they'd rob anyone no matter what the
risk. There are crimes of desperation that play out here in UC, but they're
outnumbered by what are mainly crimes of social revenge and hateful
antagonism.

On 9/4/07, Brian Siano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hello Stephen:
> >> I'm sorry to hear about the robbery.  Do you know what time it
> occurred?
> > Yes, he was robbed around 11:30 p.m. last night near 43rd and Baltimore.
> >> That's a heavily populated corner, so it's surprising that it
> >> happened there.
> > Honestly, I'm not surprised.  I think that the whole of University
> > City is far less safe than we'd all like to think.
> It's also right down the street from where I live, which makes it
> extremely important in every empirical sense that I can think of.
>
> Who was organizing a Town Watch?
>
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[UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpointlastnight

[Mario Giorno]

Mike,

 They're taking way to much of a chance of getting an extremely harsh
prison sentence carrying guns, just to get some quick cash. We're not
talking about career criminals or kids getting a , forgive me for the word
choice, steady job pushing weed or crack on some corner or safe house.
They're going to an area that is heavily patrolled by both public law
enforcement officials and private security guards on the street. They're
taking a great risk challenging the powers that be in UC. They're trying to
send a rather belligerent message.

On 9/4/07, Mike V. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I can't agree.  I think that ascribing their violent crimes to some sort
> of cultural conflict and deep nagging resentment of the privileged is a
> big step to make, especially considering that in order to make it, you
> have to pass over the far more reasonable "because they wanted money".
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian
> Siano
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:08 PM
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at
> gunpointlastnight
>
>
> Mike V. wrote:
> > So then your answer is no, you have no proof?
> Well, unless you have evidence that these kids were raising money to pay
>
> for their sainted grandmothers' life-saving operation, I'd say Mario's
> analysis is about as reasonable as any other.
>
> >
> > - Mike V.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > *From:* Mario Giorno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:57 AM
> > *To:* Mike V.
> > *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Subject:* Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies
> > at gunpointlast night
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> >  You can call it white guilt if you want, but young black men,
> > especially those in the Southwest are causing/commiting a lot of
> > violent crime, half the time against other young black males. When
> > the new students moved this week, they were easy pickins for these
> > young teens and adolescents who have a very uncertain to hopeless
> > future. I got mugged for no better reason than I was there. They
> > certainly weren't after money or a major haul. This same scenario
> > has been playing out for a few months. The  police know that there
> > are several young black males in the area who have also been
> > forming gangs to commit violent crimes and robberies. The police
> > are outnumbered and the students aren't careful about walking on
> > the streets of Philly at night. I do sympathize with the plight of
> > young black men in the city and many other big cities across the
> > country, but I should emphasize that this doesn't mean that I
> > admonish their crimes and misdemeanors. They need to be stopped
> > and disciplined. They need to be shown that there are other ways
> > to climb out of their socioeconomic hole than crime.
> >
> > On 9/4/07, *Mike V.* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > You have any proof of that statement, Mario, or is it just
> > white guilt shining through?
> >
> > - Mike V.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ] *On
> > Behalf Of *Mario Giorno
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:42 AM
> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ; UnivCity
> listserv
> > *Subject:* Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two
> > robberies at gunpointlast night
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> >  Just keep everyone in the loop. This listserv, the
> > old UC listserv, the police both on-campus and off, the
> > local politicians and their staff, the newspapers like the
> > DP and the Inquirer, etc. The kids that are coming over to
> > UC to rob people or commit violent assaults are more than
> > likely doing it out of shear hatred of the denizens of UC
> > rather than getting money to survive. it's their way of
> > scaring and humiliating those of us who live and work here
> > and prosper. They don't prosper. They subsist in West
> > Philly and get nowhere. No jobs, no decent higher
> > education, nasty looks from the police, etc. They're
> > trying to make everyone east of 52nd St. feel their pain
> > by passing it on.
> >
> >
> > Mario Giorno
> >
> > On 9/4/07, *Stephen Fisher* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry to hear about the robbery.  Do you know what
> > time it
> > 

[UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpointlast night

[Mario Giorno]

Mike,

 No proof that I could take to a court of law. I'm going on my intuition
and what they police and UCD have told me about my mugging and other violent
crimes being committed in UC/West Philly. I'm not trying to make a criminal
case or complaint against anyone specific. Mike, or make a formal
indictment. Would that I could! But I do feel that I have to advise people
in the neighborhood about the dangers of walking anywhere at night in
Philadelphia. This has too may violent criminals still moving around on the
streets.

On 9/4/07, Mike V. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  So then your answer is no, you have no proof?
>
> - Mike V.
>
>  -Original Message-
> *From:* Mario Giorno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:57 AM
> *To:* Mike V.
> *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Subject:* Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at
> gunpointlast night
>
> Mike,
>
>  You can call it white guilt if you want, but young black men,
> especially those in the Southwest are causing/commiting a lot of violent
> crime, half the time against other young black males. When the new students
> moved this week, they were easy pickins for these young teens and
> adolescents who have a very uncertain to hopeless future. I got mugged for
> no better reason than I was there. They certainly weren't after money or a
> major haul. This same scenario has been playing out for a few months. The
> police know that there are several young black males in the area who have
> also been forming gangs to commit violent crimes and robberies. The police
> are outnumbered and the students aren't careful about walking on the streets
> of Philly at night. I do sympathize with the plight of young black men in
> the city and many other big cities across the country, but I should
> emphasize that this doesn't mean that I admonish their crimes and
> misdemeanors. They need to be stopped and disciplined. They need to be shown
> that there are other ways to climb out of their socioeconomic hole than
> crime.
>
> On 9/4/07, Mike V. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  You have any proof of that statement, Mario, or is it just white guilt
> > shining through?
> >
> > - Mike V.
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Mario Giorno
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:42 AM
> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv
> > *Subject:* Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at
> > gunpointlast night
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> >  Just keep everyone in the loop. This listserv, the old UC listserv,
> > the police both on-campus and off, the local politicians and their staff,
> > the newspapers like the DP and the Inquirer, etc. The kids that are coming
> > over to UC to rob people or commit violent assaults are more than likely
> > doing it out of shear hatred of the denizens of UC rather than getting money
> > to survive. it's their way of scaring and humiliating those of us who live
> > and work here and prosper. They don't prosper. They subsist in West Philly
> > and get nowhere. No jobs, no decent higher education, nasty looks from the
> > police, etc. They're trying to make everyone east of 52nd St. feel their
> > pain by passing it on.
> >
> >
> > Mario Giorno
> >
> > On 9/4/07, Stephen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to hear about the robbery.  Do you know what time it
> > > occurred?  That's a heavily populated corner, so it's surprising that
> > > it happened there.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > > On Sep 4, 2007, at 10:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > My roommate got robbed at gunpoint last night near 43rd and
> > > Baltimore. Luckily, he wasn't hurt, but the people who robbed him
> > > (three young black men on BMX bikes) took his wallet and phone.  The
> > > police said they robbed someone else at 42nd and Locust too.
> > >
> > > I'm sure someone will be along shortly to point out how statistically
> > > safe our University City Village is.  However, the fact remains that
> > > residents of our neighborhood are accosted by men with guns on a very
> > > regular basis.
> > >
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[UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpoint last night

[Mario Giorno]

Mark,

 Just keep everyone in the loop. This listserv, the old UC listserv, the
police both on-campus and off, the local politicians and their staff, the
newspapers like the DP and the Inquirer, etc. The kids that are coming over
to UC to rob people or commit violent assaults are more than likely doing it
out of shear hatred of the denizens of UC rather than getting money to
survive. it's their way of scaring and humiliating those of us who live and
work here and prosper. They don't prosper. They subsist in West Philly and
get nowhere. No jobs, no decent higher education, nasty looks from the
police, etc. They're trying to make everyone east of 52nd St. feel their
pain by passing it on.


Mario Giorno

On 9/4/07, Stephen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry to hear about the robbery.  Do you know what time it
> occurred?  That's a heavily populated corner, so it's surprising that
> it happened there.
>
> Best,
> Stephen
>
> On Sep 4, 2007, at 10:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> My roommate got robbed at gunpoint last night near 43rd and
> Baltimore. Luckily, he wasn't hurt, but the people who robbed him
> (three young black men on BMX bikes) took his wallet and phone.  The
> police said they robbed someone else at 42nd and Locust too.
>
> I'm sure someone will be along shortly to point out how statistically
> safe our University City Village is.  However, the fact remains that
> residents of our neighborhood are accosted by men with guns on a very
> regular basis.
>
> Mark
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[UC] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpoint last night

[nrvs]

My roommate got robbed at gunpoint last night near 43rd and Baltimore. 
Luckily, he wasn't hurt, but the people who robbed him (three young black 
men on BMX bikes) took his wallet and phone.  The police said they robbed 
someone else at 42nd and Locust too.


I'm sure someone will be along shortly to point out how statistically safe 
our University City Village is.  However, the fact remains that residents 
of our neighborhood are accosted by men with guns on a very regular basis.


Mark

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Re: [UC] Interesting news item #2

[Brian Siano]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The whole real estate purchasing market has been turned on its head. 
Huge numbers of investment properties are now for rent rather than for 
sale. Below is a news item indicating that a big condo project on 
Venice Island (in the Schuykill across from Manayunk) is being 
converted to rentals.
 
This project was very contentious in Manayunk -- and got zoning 
approval partly based on the "owner-occupant" argument. Will this be 
Penn's next move with the conversion of the Isenlohr mansion (42nd & 
Pine) to condos. The anointed at SHCA gave their blessing to this 
project -- switching their stand from the usual opposition to high 
density housing to approval owing to owner occupancy. What will happen 
if Penn decides it can't find any "small families" to buy their condos 
and wants to make it rental?
Offhand, I'd guess "they'd rent the condos out as apartments." Or 
"they'll sell the building to someone who'll rent them out as apartments."


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[UC] Interesting news item #2

[Krfapt]

The whole real estate purchasing market has been turned on its head. Huge  
numbers of investment properties are now for rent rather than for sale. Below 
is 
 a news item indicating that a big condo project on Venice Island (in the  
Schuykill across from Manayunk) is being converted to rentals.
 
This project was very contentious in Manayunk -- and got zoning approval  
partly based on the "owner-occupant" argument. Will this be Penn's next move  
with the conversion of the Isenlohr mansion (42nd & Pine) to condos. The  
anointed at SHCA gave their blessing to this project -- switching their stand  
from 
the usual opposition to high density housing to approval owing to owner  
occupancy. What will happen if Penn decides it can't find any "small families"  
to 
buy their condos and wants to make it rental?
 
Stay tuned to this channel.  

Alan  Krigman
KRF Management
211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104
215-349-6500, fax  215-349-6500
on-line bulletin board: _www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news_ 
(http://www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news) 
website:  _www.iconworldwide.com/krf_ (http://www.iconworldwide.com/krf)  

 
  


Dranoff Shifts Venice Loft Condos to  Rental, By Marita Thomas, _Globe  
Street, August 31_ 
(http://www.globest.com/news/983_983/philadelphia/163652-1.html?type=pf) 
 
PHILADELPHIA-Venice Lofts, a multifamily  complex on Venice Island between 
the Schuylkill River and Manayunk Canal that broke ground as a condo project  
in 
mid-2005, has been converted to rental apartments. In late 2006, the  
developer, locally based Dranoff Properties, decided that rather than sell into 
 a 
declining market, it would lease the complex’s 128 units.   
“People, especially young people, are a  little frozen now," says Carl 
Dranoff, owner. "The condo market is unsettled,  and they’re exploring their 
options. In addition, there are people who are  unable to sell houses in the 
suburbs. 
There is pent-up demand for rentals, and  that market is strong.  
“We’re owner/operators, and we have the  financial capacity to sustain an 
investment. We’re leaders, not followers with a  history of being ahead of the 
pack, and we’re nimble,” he says. “We made a very  thoughtful, deliberative 
decision, and we didn’t want a fragmented community, so  we returned condo 
deposits and actually have retained some of those buyers as  renters.  
“Owners and renters often have different needs, and a  fragmented community 
doesn’t fit with our luxury brand of properties,” he  continues. Dranoff has 
developed numerous multifamily projects here, both rental  and condo. Of Venice 
Lofts, which is located in the Manayunk neighborhood, he  boasts, “there is 
no more superior product outside Center City.”  
The project cost, initially estimated at  $45 million, rose to $50 million 
with added amenities. Dranoff tells GlobeSt.com  that renting at Venice Lofts 
is 
pacing at about 15 units a month and 50% of the  units are now leased. Rent 
rates range from $1,600 to $3,200 a month. The  previous selling prices were 
listed from the upper $300,000s to the $700,000s.   
The 3.3-acre gated community is within  walking distance of the neighborhood’
s Main Street of upscale shops and  restaurants. The complex includes 38 
townhouses in three converted textile mill  buildings and 90 units in a new 
mid-rise. Units have nine-foot ceilings and  high-end finishes and fixtures, 
and the 
complex includes parking, a fitness  center, clubhouse and catering kitchen.  
Dranoff’s rental properties in University City and the Symphony House condo 
tower on the  Avenue of the Arts in Center City substantiate his claim to be 
ahead of  the pack. Symphony House just opened more than 85% pre-sold. Of the 
city’s  current condo market, Dranoff says, “it’s cooling off. While it’s not 
as robust  as in 2005, it’s holding up very well in comparison with other 
parts of the  country.” In addition to the early timing of Symphony House, he 
also 
says, “we  established numerous procedures to prohibit investor buying. It is 
the investor  segment of the market that has fallen out.”  
Several planned condo projects have  recently been put on hold and some 
developers have put land and plans up for  sale. As GlobeSt.com previously 
reported, Opus East is another developer that  shifted gears. Instead of 
building a 
39-story, 292-unit condo at 1919 Market St., it  is developing a 14-story, 
257-unit residential rental  property. 




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[UC] Interesting news item #1

[Krfapt]

No wonder Brandywine Realty Trust is so cozy with Penn. Look what they got  
in return for agreeing to build Cira Center South in cooperation with the  
University.
 
Al  Krigman
Left of Ivan Grozny
  



 
Brandywine/Penn Plan $775M Cira  Centre South, By Marita Thomas, _Globe  
Street, August 31_ 
(http://www.globest.com/news/983_983/philadelphia/163680-1.html)  
PHILADELPHIA-Brandywine Realty Trust and  the University of  Pennsylvania 
have unveiled  plans for Cira Centre South, a mixed-use complex on 14 acres at 
30th Street between  Walnut and Market streets and redevelopment of the 
862,000-sf US Postal Service  building. Designed by New Haven, CT-based Pelli 
Clarke 
Pelli, which designed  Brandywine’s Cira Centre office building at  30th  
Street Station, the project calls for construction of  two towers that will 
combine 
office, residential, hotel and retail space in  addition to the rehabbed 
postal facility.  
Brandywine has acquired the  main post office building from the university 
for $28 million. In addition, it  has signed a 90-year ground lease with Penn 
for the post office truck terminal  annex, which now occupies a full block. 
That 
will be demolished to make way for  the Cira Centre South mixed-use 
components. These properties are one block from  the existing Cira Centre, 
which is 
north of 30th Street Station.  
Redevelopment of the five-story postal  service building and construction of 
a 733,000-sf, 2,400-vehicle parking garage  represents the opening phase of 
the project. The building will be converted into  offices for 5,000 employees 
of 
the Internal Revenue Service. The US  General Services Administration has 
signed a 20-year lease, beginning in 2010,  for the entire building.  
The renovation will preserve the building’s  facade, lobby and designation as 
a national historic site. The redevelopment  cost is estimated at $265 
million, prior to any historic tax credits, which may  be applicable. The new 
garage, half of which will be reserved for the IRS, is  expected to cost $110 
million. This phase is scheduled for completion in 2010.  During redevelopment, 
the 
US Postal Service will continue to occupy portions of  the building under 
three short-term leases for 220,000 sf through fourth-quarter  2008.  
Plans for Cira Centre South new  construction are preliminary and “subject to 
market conditions.” Initially they  call for two towers. One, on Walnut  
Street, is projected for as many as 50 stories,  containing up to 500,000 sf of 
office space, a 225-room hotel with conference  and ballroom space, and a 
50-unit residential condo aggregating 125,000 sf. A  tower on the Chestnut  
Street 
side of the parcel is projected to stand up to  30 stories high and contain 
approximately 225 residential rental units in a  total of 300,000 sf, with 
20,000 
sf of street and lobby retail.   
Jerry Sweeney, Brandywine’s CEO, tells GlobeSt.com that the towers are  
estimated to cost in the range of $400 million, depending on the final interior 
 
configurations, “which will depend on market and financial conditions.” They 
are  initially scheduled to follow phase one and be completed in 2012. Penn has 
 
agreed to lease 100,000 sf in the office tower for a 20-year term. Like Cira  
Centre, the Cira Centre South complex is a designated Keystone Opportunity  
Improvement Zone, which provides a 15-year abatement on city and state taxes  
through 2018.  
For Penn, Cira Centre South represents the  opening stage of its previously 
announced master plan, called Penn Connects,  designed to expand athletic 
fields, offices and open space that connects  University City and Center City. “
This marks a milestone for both our  institution and the Philadelphia region,” 
says Amy Gutmann,  president of the university, in a statement. “It will 
improve 
the urban  infrastructure and character of University City,  bridge the 
divide between the campus and Center City and create a vital new center of  
commerce for the region.”  
For Radner-based Brandywine, the project completes CEO Jerry Sweeney’s  
initial vision for Cira Centre, the award-winning tower, which was completed in 
 
2005. “As a fully leased redevelopment, the new IRS facility accelerates the  
continuing renaissance of University City, enhances the value of our existing  
Cira Centre office project and acts as a catalyst for future activity in the  
surrounding area, including our proposed mixed-use development,” adds CEO Jerry 
 Sweeney, in a statement. 



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