[UC] WATCH BATTERY REPLACEMENT
Good Morning Neighbors: Does anyone have a suggestion where I can get the battery replaced in my wrist watch. You can buy one at a lot of places but it is difficult to find someone who will install it for you. Thanks John Valentino
Re: [UC] Poison alert, Clark Park Who payed for this?
laid down on the park is a granular organic fertilizer that contains no herbicides or pesticides. We have always been very clear with Moon that we don't want anything like that used in the park, said Bergheiser. Neighbors, I explained to KC not to ever expect a straight answer from UCD! Does everyone notice what is conspicuously missing from this cleaner safer message? What is the name of the product??? (Hahaha-Dexter checked the organic ingredients but forgot the name, which would allow us to verify the safety claims in the literature.) Also, the Moon worker is being Fentonized in this false answer. He was driving a contraption that sprays a liquid out the front, which has been discussed on this list before. The worker placed the plaque on Baltimore, which accompanies the liquid product, and it tells people to stay off the grass until dry. (Now the product warning is dismissed and UCD is going to order that even this completely inadequate 2 x 2 warning won't be used to frighten us.) Lew, from FOCP, also described this liquid a few years ago on the list. Lew explained that he confronted a Moon worker. The worker told Lew, it was safe enough to drink When Lew asked him to take a swig, the worker declined. Do folks remember that story? It's the same warning plaque and the same liquid as that time. UCD has treated us like idiots with its crap many times before. Everyone should take the time and look for dandelions in Clark Park! Were the dandelions wiped out by the swine flu? (Dandelion are the hardy edible plants with yellow flowers. Considered weeds, dandelions have been a primary target for weed killing agents used for decades on suburban lawns. Poison is the honest word to describe these chemicals, no matter how much the corporations use words like organic and safe in their marketing.) UCD could have told us what chemicals are used and at what times of year different chemicals are used, if they had any intention of being honest! (Manufactured fertilizers also pollute the water ways. I believe, that it is the fertilizers that have been linked to dead zones in water systems like the Chesapeake.) If one of the liquids placed on Clark park is a fertilizer, I doubt that many unsuspecting Clark park visitors want the liquid on their kids and dogs! This evasive condescending answer to the legitimate concerns, expressed by many of us over the course of several years, is classic UCD. We still don't know anything other than that we are cleaner and safer. UCD experts have everything under control, and we shouldn't worry our pretty little heads. Anyone like Glenn, who questions the secret liquid, is a paranoid wanker just as Tony has said for years! Please check the park and see for yourselves that the dandelions have been wiped out by these secret chemicals! This UCD answer should be considered, and it should finally convince folks about the total lack of credibility and condescending arrogance of UCD, as it dismisses the people of this community!! Very sincerely, Glenn -Original Message- From: Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 30, 2009 4:43 PM To: univcity serv univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Poison alert, Clark Park Who payed for this? Kimm, I talked with UCD Executive Director Matt Bergheiser, who in turn checked with his Director of Operations Dexter Bryant. Bryant told him what Moon Site Mgmt. laid down on the park is a granular organic fertilizer that contains no herbicides or pesticides. We have always been very clear with Moon that we don't want anything like that used in the park, said Bergheiser. Why the signs, then? We suspect it's a kind of historical accident, Bergheiser said. They may be part of the Moon grounds crew's standard toolkit. In general, having laid down material like this, groundskeepers want it to rest undisturbed for a while and encourage the public not to trample across it. After even a light rain like this morning's, it should have settled enough, though. Bergheiser said no one should be concerned about safety issues in contacting the material now, or in disturbing its efficacy now. The job is done. We apologize if these signs were misleading or scary, said Bergheiser, and we will work with the contractor to avoid this sort of mistake in the future. -- Tony West Kimm Tynan wrote: I don't think it's nonsense, Tony. In this day and age, chemical fertilizers and pesticides are pretty widely viewed as pretty backwards. Given Mayor Nutter's emphasis on being green, I think the issue of what chemicals are being pumped into Clark and other parks is an entirely valid one for public discussion - not just for safety of kids and pets but for broader ecological reasons. And there's no need to be defensive - I don't think anyone is accusing Moon Site Management of being evil people. That doesn't mean folks can't raise issues with specific things they do
Re: [UC] Sunshine, was Poison alert, Clark Park Who payed for this?
Siano writes: That reminds me. The next Private Secret Setting Meeting for the Friends of Clark Park will be on October 21, at Rosenberg Hall at USP, starting at 7 p.m. We'll be electing officers, so keep this a Double Secret. From the PA Sunshine Act- (a) Findings – The General Assembly finds that the right of the public to be present at all meetings of agencies and to witness the deliberation, policy formulation and decision making of agencies is vital to the enhancement and proper functioning of the democratic process and that secrecy in public affairs undermines the faith of the public in government and the public's effectiveness in fulfilling its role in a democratic society. (b) Declarations – The General Assembly hereby declares it to be the public policy of this Commonwealth to insure the right of its citizens to have notice of and the right to attend all meetings of agencies at which any agency business is discussed or acted upon as provided in this act. Brian, Very few naive people continue to consider the public marketing presentations from FOCP/UCD to be meetings. Many of us openly use the more pejorative description, dog and pony show. (But I love the authoritative tone you use in your announcements) FOCP/UCD have continuously refused to publicly publish the time, date ,and location of the real policy deliberation meetings. This has been the policy since the first secret, master plan revitalization committee. It is the planning committee of FOCP and the zoning committee of SHCA, and the UCD committee meetings that are relevant to the people of this neighborhood. Who wants to waste their time with your pathetic tightly controlled dog and pony shows? Are the one minute slots for thanking FOCP and UCD really participation of either residents or FOCP members? Does any policy deliberation take place at your dog and pony shows? You show me the public notices announcing the time, date, and location of the planning committee meetings, and I will stop making fun of you cats for the continuous attempt to deceive people into believing that dog and pony shows are the same as policy deliberation meetings! Hahaha-you cats really think that we are all idiots! Not fooled, Glenn aka the leftist paranoid wanker -Original Message- From: Brian Siano briansi...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 30, 2009 9:57 AM To: univcity serv univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Poison alert, Clark Park Who payed for this? Glenn moyer wrote: The only answer we will get to your questions has been given by Tony West, UCD committeeman. If you give FOCP money, maybe just maybe, they will allow you to ask your question to them in a private secret setting. What actually happens is that you will be badly treated if you actually meet with them for a private coffee meeting. That reminds me. The next Private Secret Setting Meeting for the Friends of Clark Park will be on October 21, at Rosenberg Hall at USP, starting at 7 p.m. We'll be electing officers, so keep this a Double Secret. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Fwd: Fertilizer and Leaf Cleanup November 14
(Forwarded from Frank Chance, President, Friends of Clark Park) Glenn-- Just wanted to confirm with you that what was sprayed in the park on Tuesday was organic fertilizer. There were no poisons involved. The warning signs were small because there is little danger. You would not want your dog licking, or rolling in the fertilizer when wet, and coming home smelling of ammonia, but once the spray is absorbed into the plants and soil it is of no danger to mammals at all. The reason we need such fertilizer is that the soil of Clark Park consists of nutrient-poor clay (the foundation level of the original wetlands) and landfill (placed there between 1865 and 1895). Even grass is poorly supported by this soil, and the conditions are made worse by overuse--specifically by large groups of people gathering in the park when the soil is wet. That causes it to compact, and the resulting anaerobic conditions prevent the natural decomposition of organic materials in the soil into nutrients the plants can use. So, in order to keep the grass green and the trees healthy, we need to add nitrogen and other nutrients. On a related topic, I understand your suggestion about leaf blowers, and in fact initiated a conversation with UCD about leaf cleanup last month. Instead of Moon Landscaping, the leaves this year will be removed with volunteer efforts. I hope you will join us on Saturday, November 14, when, with the help of such partner organizations as Pennsylvania Horticultural Society, UC Green, Boy Scouts of America, and the HMS School, we will gather the leaves for recycling. We are exploring options for recycling them within the park, to keep the nutrients on hand, but the volume will probably be so large that we take most of the leaves to the Fairmount Park Recycling Center, where they will be slowly converted into organic mulch. This volunteer effort will require a good deal of community support, and I hope you will not only join us but encourage all your friends to come to the park that day and work together to avoid the problems you noted last year. Thank you for your continued vigilance about Clark Park. Unfortunately, when you present things in a flamboyant and accusatory manner, we tend to become defensive, which is probably not the reaction you want. Like my French Bulldog, I respond better to requests than to commands, and better to suggestions than to shouted demands. Please feel free to pass this along to the PFSNI or other listserves that could help us with the cleanup on November 14. Frank L. Chance President Friends of Clark Park chanc...@gmail.com mailto:chanc...@gmail.com
[UC] Ammonia in liquid
Neighbors, I received an e-mail from an FOCP official. The message corroborated my assertion that a liquid was used on Clark park. I requested the names of all organic and non-organic products which are used throughout the year(but I don't expect an answer). It's unconfirmed, but the official wrote something like, one wouldn't want ammonia on the dog. So that's the first indication of the first ingredient, which I can report. He mentioned also nitrogen, which I believe, is the ingredient in fertilizer that has become a huge problem from fertilizer in the waterways. (We can all check this out) So if this UCD director orders Moon employees to stop using the small signs, we've identified that ammonia will be on the liquid you,the kids, and the dog may be contacting when you encounter this treatment. The name of the corporation is TruGreen, www.trugreen.com. (I found one of the signs). The name of the exact product continues to be a secret. I didn't get through the entire web site, but I couldn't find more potential ingredients at this point. It's just the typical corporate marketing bull... This was the only thing of any relevance which I have found. It seems the squirrels will only die if the experts use it at high concentrations. It's rated practically non-toxic. Hahaha from Trugreen.com TruGreen does not manufacture the products we use in lawn care, but the products we purchase generally contain the same active ingredients as found in products sold at retail garden stores and hardware stores. Furthermore, the toxic potential of any substance is a function of dose or concentration. The spray applications most commonly made by TruGreen are dilute aqueous solutions of fertilizer and pesticides consisting of approximately 92 percent water, 7.5 percent fertilizer and 0.5 percent or less of pesticide. However, approximately 50 percent of our applications consist of dry granular formulations of lawn care products similar to those available at retail stores. Twelve combinations of materials most regularly used by TruGreen in lawn, tree and shrub care were tested for oral acute toxicity in rodents using concentrations similar to those that are in the spray application. The term LD50 represents the dose that is lethal to 50% of the rodent test group. Eleven of the applications had an LD50 value greater than 20,000 mg/kg and one had an LD50 of 18,100 mg/kg. What's more, a scale used for rating the toxicity of chemicals from Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, Gosselin, Smith and Hodge: Williams and Wilkins, Baltimore, 1984 indicated the test results for liquid mixtures diluted for use in TruGreen ChemLawn programs can be rated as Practically Non-Toxic. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Where have the dandelions gone
Why did the dandelions die out at the same time the fertilizer was introduced? That question remains to be addressed. How did the grass and dandelion in the poor soil survive prior to UCD salvation? Were the whores, drug addicts and gang members fertilizing the park when we weren't looking? Where have all the dandelions gone Long time passing Where have all the dandelions gone Long time ago Where have all the dandelions gone The anointed killed them every one When will they ever learn When will they ever learn Where have all the fishes gone Long time passing Where have all the fishes gone Long time ago Where have all the fishes gone The district dumped nitrogen on everyone When will consumers learn When will consumers learn Where have all the amphibians gone Long time passing Where have all the amphibians gone Long time ago Where have all the amphibians gone Poisoned with corporate shit in everyone When will consumers learn When will consumers learn... You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC-Announce] Blessing of the Animals at St. Francis de Sales
Hi, Everyone, This Sunday, October 4, is the feastday of St. Francis of Assisi, the friend of all of God's creatures.? Come celebrate by having your pet(s) blessed at 12:30 pm at St. Francis de Sales Church, 47th Springfield Ave.? Please keep your dog leashed.? For more information, call 215-222-2255. ? Fran
[UC] Thanks to real FOCP expert
Neighbors, A real expert with the FOCP sent this out to the FOCP board in response to that letter to me, which Brian posted. I thanked him. This is the kind of a real honest communication that this community needs to DEMAND from these civic associations. Clearly, Tony and UCD have no idea what they are putting on the park. As long as it counts as money spent marketing the neighborhood, they don't really care what this company sprays on the park. I don't think Moon landscaping even had anything to do with this. It looks to me like it was subcontracted to this separate Trugreen company. The idiots are in charge of the idiot factory, in charge of our public park! From the real FOCP expert (I didn't ask permission to identify him on the public list, so I will not do so)- That's an interesting interpretation of the natural history of Clark Park's soil stratigraphy. There are several negative aspects of using surface applied products on such a compacted surface. With fertilizers on the surface they further encourage shallow roots. Products on a compacted surface mostly are carried off by surface water rather than percolate into the soil. This stuff often high in nitrogen ends up in the sewer. Not quite so terrible for the streams and rivers if the material is strictly lime and potash. However that is not usually what is meant by 'organic fertilzer. Finally, when a mowing program that reduces the grass to 1 or less is combined with a surface fertilizer program, the taller grasses lose most of their green leaf length, get 'burned' and generally results in weaker plants. As far as direct contact goes, the signs presumably went up when it was 'unsafe' for dogs and kids to play. Now the question is: Is it now dry enough, or is it not? The person who was in charge of applying it, whatever it is, presumably also has a follow up responsibilty to take them down when it is supposed to be safe. This is creating a lot of confusion and worry. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] ? Fairmount Soccer Association 2002 and 2003 - Medals
Hi, I recently purchased a Wooden Box of games at a Porch Sale advertised on one of the UC lists. When we went to play our first game we noticed 3 medals among the game pieces for the Fairmount Soccer Association Senior Division - 2002 Senior Division - 2003 Indoor - 2003 If you want them back, or if anyone else has interest in them, please let me know. I'll be happy to deliver them. If I weren't having a Senior week, I might be able to remember the person who sold me the Game box. Best! Liz Elizabeth Campion PRUDENTIAL, FOX ROACH REALTORS, LLC 210 W. Rittenhouse Square, Suite 406 Phila, PA 19103 215-790-5653 Desk Voicemail 215-880-2930 Cell Emergency 215-546-9781 Shared office Fax campio...@juno,com or home.in.ph...@juno.com for Rental questions Link to Photos of available Listings and public, 'social' photos: www.PicasaWeb.google.com/CampionEF To check out all PFR and Multiple Listed Properties and to review CONSUMER NOTICE, link to www.PruFoxRoach.com Your referral is a welcome compliment. All the best in 2009 and beyond! Medical Assisting Careers Become certified as a Medical Assistant. Get info and Apply Today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=OVGvQAFEOfo-zMCnhyBgUAAAJ1CFKYcm6BDz_zFnKNoSMWQRAAQFgD4AAAMqABNlcgA=
Re: [UC] WATCH BATTERY REPLACEMENT
All Makes Electric, 143 S 13th Street will replace it for you while you wait. It costs about $3. I love this guy. Frank On Oct 1, 2009, at 08:14 AM, jvalen...@aol.com wrote: Good Morning Neighbors: Does anyone have a suggestion where I can get the battery replaced in my wrist watch. You can buy one at a lot of places but it is difficult to find someone who will install it for you. Thanks John Valentino
Re: [UC] Ammonia in liquid
Thanks for the research, Glenn. That's useful information. -- Tony West Glenn moyer wrote: The name of the corporation is TruGreen, www.trugreen.com. (I found one of the signs). The name of the exact product continues to be a secret. I didn't get through the entire web site, but I couldn't find more potential ingredients at this point. It's just the typical corporate marketing bull... This was the only thing of any relevance which I have found. It seems the squirrels will only die if the experts use it at high concentrations. It's rated practically non-toxic. Hahaha from Trugreen.com TruGreen does not manufacture the products we use in lawn care, but the products we purchase generally contain the same active ingredients as found in products sold at retail garden stores and hardware stores. Furthermore, the toxic potential of any substance is a function of dose or concentration. The spray applications most commonly made by TruGreen are dilute aqueous solutions of fertilizer and pesticides consisting of approximately 92 percent water, 7.5 percent fertilizer and 0.5 percent or less of pesticide. However, approximately 50 percent of our applications consist of dry granular formulations of lawn care products similar to those available at retail stores. Twelve combinations of materials most regularly used by TruGreen in lawn, tree and shrub care were tested for oral acute toxicity in rodents using concentrations similar to those that are in the spray application. The term LD50 represents the dose that is lethal to 50% of the rodent test group. Eleven of the applications had an LD50 value greater than 20,000 mg/kg and one had an LD50 of 18,100 mg/kg. What's more, a scale used for rating the toxicity of chemicals from Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, Gosselin, Smith and Hodge: Williams and Wilkins, Baltimore, 1984 indicated the test results for liquid mixtures diluted for use in TruGreen ChemLawn programs can be rated as Practically Non-Toxic. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Where have the dandelions gone
You raise an important legal point, Glenn: if fertilizer is good for plants in general but bad for dandelions in particular, is it a violation of the civil rights of dandelion-worshipers to have dandelions killed by fertilizing them on public property? I'd be surprised if there is much case law on this subject. The closest issue I can think of, is the concern that Hindu cattle-worshipers may feel about the raising of beef cattle for slaughter on vast portions of the Western range. Does it violate the rights of Hindu citizens to have cows that are raised on a public range slaughtered? I don't know. But UC-list is read by many reputable lawyers. What is their opinion on this question? I defer. Until this question is settled, it might be wise for West Philadelphia dandelion-worshipers to grow a supply sufficient for sacramental purposes on their own property. I doubt they can succeed in ordering the City of Philadelphia to grow dandelions for them. Owners of multiple properties should be able to generate enough dandelions for their personal needs. -- Tony West Glenn moyer wrote: Why did the dandelions die out at the same time the fertilizer was introduced? That question remains to be addressed. How did the grass and dandelion in the poor soil survive prior to UCD salvation? Were the whores, drug addicts and gang members fertilizing the park when we weren't looking? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Important info for Clark P. dogs
Dear neighbors, Please look at some of these complaints about the company that puts unknown agents on Clark Park. Please tell your vet if your dog got sick after going to Clark park when the unknown poison was dumped. In the second complaint, notice how the unknown poison killed nearby plants. When I discover the exact name of the Clark park poison, I'll research the specific product and report back to you. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/trugreen.html DIANE of EAGAN, MN September 29, 2009 TRU GREEN visits were always to be on Fridays since I'm home. I keep the backyard gate locked so they wouldn't come in unexpectly since I have 2 dogs. On Wednesday evening, I arrived home to find Trugreen's poison sign on my front grass. I called to ask why they came and received a message from the technician that he had jumped the fence. That evening, one of my dogs got violently sick. They are both very friendly and if he did spray the backyard, the dogs would have been by his side while he was applying poison. I feel this is very intrusive, that he would of jumped the gate in the first place, 2nd they were there on the wrong day, and if he did apply the poison as he said he did, he did it even though he saw the dogs there. When I mentioned this to Trugreen and told them they are no longer welcome on my property, I was just told they'd take care of it. I assume that means they won't be at my house again which I hope is true. Read more: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/trugreen.html#ixzz0SjRDQP4A CD of Akron, OH August 21, 2009 I have not had Chemlawn treat my yard for about 4 years. I fired them because they killed a row of lilac trees and several perennials (and still had weeds) - I had had enough after that. But now my neigbor uses them and with the last two applications to her yard, I have a decades-old Rose of Sharon tree dying and also an equally old hybiscus which is also dying. They are close to the property line and I noticed the last time they sprayed my neighbor's yard on a windy day. I had the Rose of Sharon moved three years ago to make room for a barn and have nursed it like a child to ensure it's survival. This year it is/was loaded with flowers, but now it is curling up like a hand crippled with arthritis. I am just sick about this and have been awake since 4 a.m. this morning worrying about it. I will be contacting Chemlawn when I get home from work today, though I do not expect them to be sympathetic since I'm not a paying customer...just a disgruntaled former customer they will never get another time from - I would rather weeds take over first Read more: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/trugreen.html#ixzz0SjTf476c You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Important info for Clark P. dogs
Dear neighbors, Please look at some of these complaints about the company that puts unknown agents on Clark Park. Please tell your vet if your dog got sick after going to Clark park when the unknown poison was dumped. In the second complaint, notice how the unknown poison killed nearby plants. When I discover the exact name of the Clark park poison, I'll research the specific product and report back to you. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/trugreen.html DIANE of EAGAN, MN September 29, 2009 TRU GREEN visits were always to be on Fridays since I'm home. I keep the backyard gate locked so they wouldn't come in unexpectly since I have 2 dogs. On Wednesday evening, I arrived home to find Trugreen's poison sign on my front grass. I called to ask why they came and received a message from the technician that he had jumped the fence. That evening, one of my dogs got violently sick. They are both very friendly and if he did spray the backyard, the dogs would have been by his side while he was applying poison. I feel this is very intrusive, that he would of jumped the gate in the first place, 2nd they were there on the wrong day, and if he did apply the poison as he said he did, he did it even though he saw the dogs there. When I mentioned this to Trugreen and told them they are no longer welcome on my property, I was just told they'd take care of it. I assume that means they won't be at my house again which I hope is true. Read more: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/trugreen.html#ixzz0SjRDQP4A CD of Akron, OH August 21, 2009 I have not had Chemlawn treat my yard for about 4 years. I fired them because they killed a row of lilac trees and several perennials (and still had weeds) - I had had enough after that. But now my neigbor uses them and with the last two applications to her yard, I have a decades-old Rose of Sharon tree dying and also an equally old hybiscus which is also dying. They are close to the property line and I noticed the last time they sprayed my neighbor's yard on a windy day. I had the Rose of Sharon moved three years ago to make room for a barn and have nursed it like a child to ensure it's survival. This year it is/was loaded with flowers, but now it is curling up like a hand crippled with arthritis. I am just sick about this and have been awake since 4 a.m. this morning worrying about it. I will be contacting Chemlawn when I get home from work today, though I do not expect them to be sympathetic since I'm not a paying customer...just a disgruntaled former customer they will never get another time from - I would rather weeds take over first Read more: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/trugreen.html#ixzz0SjTf476c You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Deception by greenwashing
Neighbors, I imagine you all noted that UCD and FOCP immediately tried to silence our discussion of clark park poison with greenwashing. They didn't know the name of the poison or even the company, but just launched into bull... It's organic and safe; it's safe and organic. Everyone shut up because Glenn is paranoid. Here is a good testimonial about greenwashing with the organic claim. Note that this individual also reports having a human physical reaction. The complaints about harming dogs are plentiful. (Trugreen has some 3 million contracts). Do you see why the accumulated damage is threatening the Chesapeake and other water sheds? http://trugreen.pissedconsumer.com/trugreen-lies-and-poisons-20090619150190.html Titled: Trugreen Lies and Poisons My neighbors use TruGreen. Their lawn looks dead. Mine is green. I don't use a lawn service or lawn chemicals. My soil is the same as theirs. The point is that TruGreen tells my neighbors that the chemicals are safe and organic-based, which to me means the base can be organic with anything added to it. TruGreen came a month ago and sprayed *** and grub killer on my neighbors' lawn in 40 mile an hour winds in advance of a big rain storm. Not surprisingly, the spraying didn't work because what chemicals didn't get blown all over the neighborhood got washed down the storm drain. A month later they are here again. My tongue is burning and I have a headache so I assume TruGreen is Spraying a generous dose. The man who sprayed wore only rubber gloves for protection and no mask or protective clothing. His pants were wet to the knees with lawn chemicals. It is supposed to rain for the next five days so he will be back again in a month when my neighbors complain that the grubs and weeds remain. Why do my neighbors, also my friends, place their fear of weeds and grubs and love for their lawn ahead of the environment and their friends' and neighbors' health? They do it because TruGreen sales people have told them that their products are safe and organic based and will dissipate within 48 hours. My neighbors don't seem to get that dissipate means to go into the air for all of us to breathe. Grr. I hate TruGreen. Agressive sales and deceptive practices. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Deception by greenwashing
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Glenn moyer glen...@earthlink.net wrote: Neighbors, I imagine you all noted that UCD and FOCP immediately tried to silence our discussion of clark park poison with greenwashing. They didn't know the name of the poison or even the company, but just launched into bull... It's organic and safe; it's safe and organic. Everyone shut up because Glenn is paranoid. and When I discover the exact name of the Clark park poison, I'll research the specific product and report back to you. This is strange. At 5:30 today, Frank Chance emailed Glenn a data sheet on the fertilizer used in the park, and I got a cc.. It's called GreenGro, it's made by a company called Synatek, and it's basically 19% urea nitrogen and 2% potassium chloride. That's pretty standard for a fertiizer. (According to the spec sheet, ingestion causes mild stomach discomfort.) Yet here we are at 8:40 pm, and Glenn is promising to report back when he discovers the exact name. But he's evidently spent those three hours dredging up complaints about this TruGreen company-- _three hours_ after getting information with the name of the fertilizer, and the fact that it's made by someone else entirely. It's now 11 p.m., and Glenn has not mentioned receiving Frank's email. Are we surprised? I'm not. Glenn's history is to try to find _some_ issue to get people angry at the Friends of Clark Park. It doesn't matter _what_ it is. One month it's our 'secret plans' to rebuild parts of the park. Another month, our survey on flea markets is Something Sinister. Reciting claims of corporate rule and dandelion murder haven't inspired people to really to Glenn's cause, whatever it really is. But Glenn seems to have found a button to press. He's been screaming about poison right off the bat, like those Town Hall cranks yelping about socialism and death panels. (Kind of an old PR trick: keep repeating the inflamatory buzzwords about your opponents, as Newt Gingrich did in the 1990s.) He's made vague, unverifiable claims that the grass is now a strange color, and somehow, the absence of dandelions is connected with this; I'm surprised he hasn't cited local psychics that the park's aura is out of alignment. Oh, I have to mention something that's very disturbing. Glenn has made wild and unsupported claims that millions of gallons of poisons are being dumped in the park, as a corporate effort to promote neo-Victorian values. I have not seen anyone demand that he support these claims with anything like proof. But when Tony tries to answer these wild accusations-- and we're researching the issue, trust me-- suddenly the people who swallowed Glenn's dishonest bile are demanding facts and data. Well, we're trying, but they take time to assemble: Glenn has the luxury of throwing whatever he wants onto the list, relevant, documented, or not. This is sadly typical of the angry, bullying tone that's chased a lot of reasonable people away from this mailing list.
Re: [UC] Important info for Clark P. dogs - MSDS Info
In a message dated 10/1/2009 8:14:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, glen...@earthlink.net writes: ... after going to Clark park when the unknown poison was dumped ... _ Glenn: You seem to be sacrificing a fair -Right To Know issue for disruptive dramatics. A simple request to inspect the MSDS sheets (material safety data sheets) of the products used in Clark Park would have been appropriate, effective, and very hard to deny. The MSDS sheets should be furnished to UCD by the said contractor and made available for public inspection. A log of application of products is most likely maintained and also should be made available for public inspection. A reasonable means of publicizing the grounds maintenance protocol can be developed. This could include a publicly accessible schedule of time and nature of chemicals applications. Should UCD also be contracting for the application of chemicals in other public spaces, perhaps they too could be included. I appreciate you raising a concern about the chemicals issue. While you are concerned about the dogs, Kimm about the kids, I don't want them dusting the BBQ chicken and produce. I am copying this email to Dexter Bryant for appropriate distribution within UCD and it contractors' organizations. For the sake of disclosure, I believe Dexter was part of the project management team for one of my contractors when I was at the Science Center. I am confident UCD will research the issues you have raised and conduct their grounds maintenance in accordance with all applicable laws, ordinances, and regulations. Should you want to develop and present an organic alternative for grounds maintenance, I am confident many interested members of the community and users of Clark Park will give it a fair review. Ciao, Craig
Re: [UC] Deception by greenwashing - Now Politics too?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 11:18:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, briansi...@gmail.com writes: ... like those Town Hall cranks yelping about socialism and death panels. (Kind of an old PR trick: keep repeating the inflamatory buzzwords about your opponents, as Newt Gingrich did in the 1990s.) I take great umbrage with you painting our popular conservative movement with Pigment of Glenn. You, as one of this list's most notorious lefties, have stooped to a new gagging low, heretofore only achievable with the forced ingestion of Skippy peanut butter liberally dusted with powder of urea nitrogen and flakes of potassium chloride. However, I thought you might be interested in Tim Dickinson's effort to discredit salt-of-the-earth conservatives by suggesting their opposition to Obamacare is a game-plan orchestrated in part by organizations with ties to former Big Tobacco operatives. It appears in Rolling Stone _http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30219673/the_lie_machine_ (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30219673/the_lie_machine) I think you will enjoy it. While the Left seems to blame so many difficulties on Corporations, they most certainly are the difference between man living in the Stone Age and the Age of Obama. We will all have to make the best of bad times. Ciao, Craig
