Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd Baltimore
On 8/11/2011 11:17 PM, robert rathmann wrote: Dude... get a life or at least take the time to enjoy the one you have. Oh Ratmann, let's not confuse enjoyment with stupidity! Thoughtful happy grownups have been discussing the flawed dealings of government. Your type of ad hominem interjection is rather pathetic and bullies the listserv readers; Glenn and others will shut up because I call Glenn miserable. My beloved Siano and Parklet have been brilliantly defended. And I didn't need to defend or support my Parklet with no damn rational statements. I'm happy, happy, happy! Rat, if you're too stupid to profess your love for Siano or represent your positions on the Parklet, let the discussions for the mature adults! Happy and contented, Glenn You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd Baltimore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74kOgbPQ7LI On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Glenn glen...@earthlink.net wrote: On 8/11/2011 11:17 PM, robert rathmann wrote: Dude... get a life or at least take the time to enjoy the one you have. Oh Ratmann, let's not confuse enjoyment with stupidity! Thoughtful happy grownups have been discussing the flawed dealings of government. Your type of ad hominem interjection is rather pathetic and bullies the listserv readers; Glenn and others will shut up because I call Glenn miserable. My beloved Siano and Parklet have been brilliantly defended. And I didn't need to defend or support my Parklet with no damn rational statements. I'm happy, happy, happy! Rat, if you're too stupid to profess your love for Siano or represent your positions on the Parklet, let the discussions for the mature adults! Happy and contented, Glenn You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.**html http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd Baltimore
Lies and conspiracy everywhere It's enough to make Glenn pull out all his hair Marginalizing people by painting them as stereotypes Helps Glenn vent all his endless gripes On 08/11/2011 09:48 PM, Glenn wrote: Vice President Siano: No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they dislike... ...Pretty much the definition of silly. As he walked around the Parklet Brian pondered a brilliant thoughtlet Should I shit? Or should I fart? Since I’m in charge We’ll call it art. And the heavens opened with his Wind The silly peasants sure have sinned And the Lord belched out into the darklet And suddenly, out popped more Parklets! And from his office at the Wharton school The Lord said, the poor are merely fools And Brian shouted his second thoughtlet “Since square is round, we’ve defined a Parklet” When the great Lord worked his magic here The whores and gangs were drinking beer He kicked them out in a righteous fit He whirled His wand near the gravel pit And all the good children gathered round They drooled and screamed, “square is round!” Then the Lord made them cleaner and safer He took out their brain and wrapped it in paper “We love you Lord,” screamed the righteous throng “For you dear Lord, we’ll wear our thongs” “And if you call Clark Park a frog” “We’ll torture Glenn, then kill a dog” “And if you say that black is white” “We’ll yank our thongs and twist them tight” “We pledge our lives to your history” “Yes two plus two is always three” On 8/11/2011 5:38 PM, Brian Siano wrote: On 8/11/2011 12:36 PM, Karen Allen wrote: Apart from calling people stupid and silly, Brian's attempt to ridicule legitimate questions appears to endorse one thing: that the parklet is primarily intended to provide free seating to benefit private businesses, which was actually Glenn and Al's point. *As for the provision of extra seating for either the Green Line and the Best House... well, this is actually kind of a stupid issue* It's not stupid- Al was raising the quesion of whether there was bias in the choice of placement based on the people likely to use the seating. No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they dislike, such as the anointed who sip their lattes and tap-tap-tap away on their laptops, and insinuating bad motives about the parklet's placement. Pretty much the definition of silly. *So one can't argue that one place needs seating more than the other, and then argue that there's no need for the Parklet. That's silly.* It's only silly if the assumption is that there is a need for more public space to be diverted to the benefit of a private business entity. We already have that now with sidewalk cafes, but at least the business has to provide the chairs and tables and have a limit on how much of the sidewalk can be used. Parklets provide chairs, tables and a nice deck--put up and taken down--all for free, and the residents lose two parking spaces. There is no need for a public or quasi-public entity to use public space to provide free outdoor seating to *any* private business. If they want seating, they can pay for it themselves. And if there is a need for more space for rest and reflection, why not simply ask the residential community where they'd like it to go? First of all... the parklet is not exclusively for Green Line customers. Buy a sandwich at the Best House and eat it across the street. Nothing's stopping anyone from doing this. Second, the space taken up by the parklet was, previously, used exclusively by Philly Car Share for several years. I haven't seen any complaints about _that_ business taking parking spots away from others. Third, you're complaining about public spaces being used to provide free outdoor seating to *any* private business. Really? So you object to the use of, say, Clark Park as a place to eat the food purchased at the Best House or Green Line or Milk and Honey? Because that's what people do. That's one of the reasons why we put tables and chairs in the park-- to give people a place to sit while they eat. And yes, it benefits those local businesses. (Frankly, we hope that those businesses will kick in funds for more tables and chairs.) So do all kinds of public improvements. Install better lighting and trash cans, fix the sidewalks, you're encouraging foot traffic, and nearby businesses benefit. But if the benefit to local businesses is such a horrible thing, please, tell me about public improvements that _don't_ also benefit local businesses. I'd be fascinated. And fourth, you ask, And if there is a need for more space for rest and reflection, why not simply ask the residential community where they'd like it to go? Guess what: _they did ask_. UCD didn't just come in
Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd Baltimore
Lies and conspiracy everywhere It's enough to make Glenn pull out all his hair Marginalizing people by painting them as stereotypes Helps Glenn vent all his endless gripes And Gavin joins the Parklet rhyme I think we've struck a nerve this time The good folks suck their lattes dry While dreaming of the U Penn pie (your turn) On 8/12/2011 10:04 AM, Gavin W. Burris wrote: Lies and conspiracy everywhere It's enough to make Glenn pull out all his hair Marginalizing people by painting them as stereotypes Helps Glenn vent all his endless gripes On 08/11/2011 09:48 PM, Glenn wrote: Vice President Siano: No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they dislike... ...Pretty much the definition of silly. As he walked around the Parklet Brian pondered a brilliant thoughtlet Should I shit? Or should I fart? Since I'm in charge We'll call it art. And the heavens opened with his Wind The silly peasants sure have sinned And the Lord belched out into the darklet And suddenly, out popped more Parklets! And from his office at the Wharton school The Lord said, the poor are merely fools And Brian shouted his second thoughtlet Since square is round, we've defined a Parklet When the great Lord worked his magic here The whores and gangs were drinking beer He kicked them out in a righteous fit He whirled His wand near the gravel pit And all the good children gathered round They drooled and screamed, square is round! Then the Lord made them cleaner and safer He took out their brain and wrapped it in paper We love you Lord, screamed the righteous throng For you dear Lord, we'll wear our thongs And if you call Clark Park a frog We'll torture Glenn, then kill a dog And if you say that black is white We'll yank our thongs and twist them tight We pledge our lives to your history Yes two plus two is always three On 8/11/2011 5:38 PM, Brian Siano wrote: On 8/11/2011 12:36 PM, Karen Allen wrote: Apart from calling people stupid and silly, Brian's attempt to ridicule legitimate questions appears to endorse one thing: that the parklet is primarily intended to provide free seating to benefit private businesses, which was actually Glenn and Al's point. *As for the provision of extra seating for either the Green Line and the Best House... well, this is actually kind of a stupid issue* It's not stupid- Al was raising the quesion of whether there was bias in the choice of placement based on the people likely to use the seating. No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they dislike, such as the anointed who sip their lattes and tap-tap-tap away on their laptops, and insinuating bad motives about the parklet's placement. Pretty much the definition of silly. *So one can't argue that one place needs seating more than the other, and then argue that there's no need for the Parklet. That's silly.* It's only silly if the assumption is that there is a need for more public space to be diverted to the benefit of a private business entity. We already have that now with sidewalk cafes, but at least the business has to provide the chairs and tables and have a limit on how much of the sidewalk can be used. Parklets provide chairs, tables and a nice deck--put up and taken down--all for free, and the residents lose two parking spaces. There is no need for a public or quasi-public entity to use public space to provide free outdoor seating to *any* private business. If they want seating, they can pay for it themselves. And if there is a need for more space for rest and reflection, why not simply ask the residential community where they'd like it to go? First of all... the parklet is not exclusively for Green Line customers. Buy a sandwich at the Best House and eat it across the street. Nothing's stopping anyone from doing this. Second, the space taken up by the parklet was, previously, used exclusively by Philly Car Share for several years. I haven't seen any complaints about _that_ business taking parking spots away from others. Third, you're complaining about public spaces being used to provide free outdoor seating to *any* private business. Really? So you object to the use of, say, Clark Park as a place to eat the food purchased at the Best House or Green Line or Milk and Honey? Because that's what people do. That's one of the reasons why we put tables and chairs in the park-- to give people a place to sit while they eat. And yes, it benefits those local businesses. (Frankly, we hope that those businesses will kick in funds for more tables and chairs.) So do all kinds of public improvements. Install better lighting and trash cans, fix the sidewalks, you're encouraging foot traffic, and nearby businesses benefit. But if the benefit to local businesses is such a horrible thing, please, tell me about public improvements that _don't_ also benefit local businesses. I'd be fascinated. And fourth, you ask,
Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd Baltimore
There is no nerve to strike As I ride by the parklet on my bike Please, no latte for me I prefer black coffee or some tea Academia may be my industry of choice I can think of few others that give the mind such voice Academia may be my industry of choice But On 08/12/2011 10:54 AM, Glenn wrote: Lies and conspiracy everywhere It's enough to make Glenn pull out all his hair Marginalizing people by painting them as stereotypes Helps Glenn vent all his endless gripes And Gavin joins the Parklet rhyme I think we've struck a nerve this time The good folks suck their lattes dry While dreaming of the U Penn pie (your turn) On 8/12/2011 10:04 AM, Gavin W. Burris wrote: Lies and conspiracy everywhere It's enough to make Glenn pull out all his hair Marginalizing people by painting them as stereotypes Helps Glenn vent all his endless gripes On 08/11/2011 09:48 PM, Glenn wrote: Vice President Siano: No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they dislike... ...Pretty much the definition of silly. As he walked around the Parklet Brian pondered a brilliant thoughtlet Should I shit? Or should I fart? Since I’m in charge We’ll call it art. And the heavens opened with his Wind The silly peasants sure have sinned And the Lord belched out into the darklet And suddenly, out popped more Parklets! And from his office at the Wharton school The Lord said, the poor are merely fools And Brian shouted his second thoughtlet “Since square is round, we’ve defined a Parklet” When the great Lord worked his magic here The whores and gangs were drinking beer He kicked them out in a righteous fit He whirled His wand near the gravel pit And all the good children gathered round They drooled and screamed, “square is round!” Then the Lord made them cleaner and safer He took out their brain and wrapped it in paper “We love you Lord,” screamed the righteous throng “For you dear Lord, we’ll wear our thongs” “And if you call Clark Park a frog” “We’ll torture Glenn, then kill a dog” “And if you say that black is white” “We’ll yank our thongs and twist them tight” “We pledge our lives to your history” “Yes two plus two is always three” On 8/11/2011 5:38 PM, Brian Siano wrote: On 8/11/2011 12:36 PM, Karen Allen wrote: Apart from calling people stupid and silly, Brian's attempt to ridicule legitimate questions appears to endorse one thing: that the parklet is primarily intended to provide free seating to benefit private businesses, which was actually Glenn and Al's point. *As for the provision of extra seating for either the Green Line and the Best House... well, this is actually kind of a stupid issue* It's not stupid- Al was raising the quesion of whether there was bias in the choice of placement based on the people likely to use the seating. No, Al and Glenn were bitching about people they dislike, such as the anointed who sip their lattes and tap-tap-tap away on their laptops, and insinuating bad motives about the parklet's placement. Pretty much the definition of silly. *So one can't argue that one place needs seating more than the other, and then argue that there's no need for the Parklet. That's silly.* It's only silly if the assumption is that there is a need for more public space to be diverted to the benefit of a private business entity. We already have that now with sidewalk cafes, but at least the business has to provide the chairs and tables and have a limit on how much of the sidewalk can be used. Parklets provide chairs, tables and a nice deck--put up and taken down--all for free, and the residents lose two parking spaces. There is no need for a public or quasi-public entity to use public space to provide free outdoor seating to *any* private business. If they want seating, they can pay for it themselves. And if there is a need for more space for rest and reflection, why not simply ask the residential community where they'd like it to go? First of all... the parklet is not exclusively for Green Line customers. Buy a sandwich at the Best House and eat it across the street. Nothing's stopping anyone from doing this. Second, the space taken up by the parklet was, previously, used exclusively by Philly Car Share for several years. I haven't seen any complaints about _that_ business taking parking spots away from others. Third, you're complaining about public spaces being used to provide free outdoor seating to *any* private business. Really? So you object to the use of, say, Clark Park as a place to eat the food purchased at the Best House or Green Line or Milk and Honey? Because that's what people do. That's one of the reasons why we put tables and chairs in the park-- to give people a place to sit while they eat. And yes, it benefits those local businesses.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd Baltimore
On 8/12/2011 11:15 AM, Gavin W. Burris wrote: There is no nerve to strike As I ride by the parklet on my bike Please, no latte for me I prefer black coffee or some tea Academia may be my industry of choice I can think of few others that give the mind such voice Your senses seem free and ingenuous But dangerous untruths interrupt our bliss Read again, your neighbors serious thoughts There's more to a citizen than viewing sports! You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking Spaces @ 43rd Baltimore
On 8/12/2011 11:39 AM, Glenn wrote: Your senses seem free and ingenuous But dangerous untruths interrupt our bliss Read again, your neighbors serious thoughts There's more to a citizen than viewing sports! Jeepers, creepers where'd ya get those peepers Jeepers, creepers, where'd ya get those eyes? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Parking Spaces @ 43rd Baltimore
On Aug 11, 2011, at 7:09 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: Brian Siano wrote: Pretty much the definition of silly. here's what sounds silly: the premise and the experiment. the premise that west philly is so teeming with people that we need parklets to provide the public with extra tables and chairs in the street so that they can enjoy the sun and shade -- AND that west philly is so teeming with people that we could do with less parking spots for their cars (or cars that were once so important to provide thru philly car share). the experiment that captures parking spaces and converts them into public places for sitting at tables and chairs -- right next to a big public park. One thing which I found fascinating …. Unless as part of PhillyCarShare's continuing collapse had already removed them… The parking space(s) removed were a turning lane and a PhillyCarShare Pod. This whole parklet thing is yet another imported California Idea. What the importers fail to realize is that California streets are typically 6 to 8 WIDE lanes wide, while Philadelaphia streets, are, like 43rd or Baltimore, only 4 NARROW lanes wide (two traffic lanes and two parking lanes.) Similarly, California does not have a parking problem as exists here in Philadelphia -- it has a too many cars on the road problem. Of course, the MOST interesting thing is … who bears the liability (i.e. pays the medical bills of) the folks sitting in the parklet when a car slams into it. The whole construction is portable meaning that it is flimsy, and while the first season of installation is likely to be sound, once it is disassembled in October, and re-assembled next spring, it is likely to be missing parts and not quite correctly assembled. One finds it difficult to believe that anyone in West Philadelphia could possibly find it responsible thinking to intentionally remove parking places…. even WITHOUT the suburban student parking issue! William H. Magill Block Captain 4400 Chestnut Street You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Penn and parking
In a message dated 8/12/2011 5:03:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mag...@mcgillsociety.org writes: At one time Penn DID provide cheap parking, nominally only for faculty and staff, and maybe even students -- don't recall. 1. If Penn people were as ecologically-oriented as they profess to be, they'd take public transportation rather than drive in from the suburbs and park on the streets in our neighborhood. The situation is almost enough to convince me to get the signatures needed to apply for permit parking on my block. 2. Many of us will remember when the idea of a shelter for homeless women with young children at the former Nursing home in the 4500 block of Chestnut was quashed. Penn then proposed to lease the building as a LIFE center -- kind of an outpatient nursing home -- to be run by the school of nursing. Many of the folks in the area liked the concept, but the issue of parking was raised because the building in question had only a few spaces. The Penn people said (I remember it clearly... it was at one of Glenn Bryant's First Thursday nosh-and-pander meetings) they wouldn't be jamming the curbs with cars because a) most of the clients would be arriving and departing by LIFE vans, and b) most of the Penn people working there would be coming up from Campus and, being the good citizens for whom Penn is famous, they'd use SEPTA. Well, point a) seems to be true enough. But point b) definitely isn't. It used to be easy to find parking spaces on the surrounding blocks (I know because I have a building there); now it's virtually impossible during daytime hours. Were the people who made the statement just being naive, disingenuous, or (dare I suggest) both? 3. That park-n-ride (or whatever it's called) at the University exit/entrance of the Expressway is fairly economical. You pay for a space there by the month and they take you to and pick you up from various locations around the campus and the hospitals. Of course, why pay anything when you can park free in a neighborhood where you neither live nor work -- a neighborhood full of those slovenly, despicable, no-account, unwashed, tattooed, morally corrupt renters and others of the benighted classes? -- Alan Krigman KRF Management 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502 _www.krf.icodat.com_ (http://www.iconworldwide.com/krf)
