Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
Glenn wrote: BUT THERE ARE HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE IN WEST PHILLY WHO WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH CLARK PARK AND ARE TIRED OF THE RUN AROUND, AND MISINFORMATION. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7653848@N03/446322343/in/pool-46baltimore http://www.flickr.com/photos/7653848@N03/1578283290/in/pool-46baltimore/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/highstrungloner/1296397649/in/pool-46baltimore/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/photorayz/1207733403/in/pool-46baltimore/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/photorayz/1207733381/in/pool-46baltimore/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/7653848@N03/446768815/in/pool-46baltimore/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/7653848@N03/446802067/in/pool-46baltimore/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/evrik/1588267161/in/pool-46baltimore/ etc .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
On 4/30/2011 1:49 AM, Richard Conrad wrote: AS SOON AS CLARK PARK IS AVAILABLE AGAIN I SUGGEST WE USE IT FOR PEACEABLE ASSEMBLY... TO CONDUCT TEACH-INS... TO FOSTER GATHERINGS OF MASS CONSCIOUSNESS... AND TO DISCUSS AND ACT UPON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES. Rick, Yes, this is an important idea. Community consciousness is precisely why I worked so hard to found the CPMAC after the previous festival group gave up due to the constant harassment. Such gatherings are vital for democracy, community, and the mental health of social creatures! (I actually wanted to work for a documentary on Clark Park to examine how such a public square and the rich culture it produces is vital to diverse urban neighborhoods that work as well as ours did. When Penn was calling this area a criminal wasteland, many of us were pointing out that this had been one of the culturally richest urban communities in America! But I fought with FOCP/UCD instead of this and other projects.) Unfortunately, I need to be the bearer of more bad news. Such gatherings of citizens look like they will soon be outlawed in all Philadelphia parks, unless the organizers receive corporate sponsorship and control! (Clark Park is the pilot project to be extended to the entire city!) In 2001-02, it was called the Special Events Review Committee of the Fairmount Park Commission. (Vice President Siano recently let slip that it was again being plotted against the entire city. Siano was not part of FOCP when I fought UCD/FOCP about misapplying this committee to neighborhood groups ten years ago.) Essentially, any group requesting a park use permit is going to need to pay many many thousands of dollars or face arrest for not obtaining this permit. (This will end events by volunteers like the Clark Park festivals and Woodland Ave Reunion unless corporate money takes these over.) Connected corporations will undoubtedly get a waiver from these requirements, like their waiver from taxes the rest of us pay. Once this happens, neighborhood organizers will need to go to a hearing and pay in advance for insurance, EMT's, and even the riot police to beat us. (It's impossible to know details of other secret permit changes being planned to restrict the rights of assembly.) As I explained to Darco a couple of months ago, this law was a response to the South St. Mardi Gras sponsored by for profit bars. It was never intended to shut down block parties or neighborhood park festivals. And park permits were also never intended to be used as a method to impose unfair rules for some people and not others, as has been the case for decades. Permits were originally intended to be a reservation system to assist citizen groups when planning special events like the ones you suggest. This scheme is the big prize now that we are consumers rather than citizens, and people of Philadelphia generally don't know it's coming! Residents in other parts of the city certainly never expected this just like they didn't expect the coming sales of large parts of Fairmount Park. I expect this new permit rule will be kept quiet, and people will only find out after their local community organizers can't get permits anymore because of the cost. Do you see how these tremendous cost increases will complete the corporate coup seizing our parks, and simultaneously prevent us from regaining a democratic system or constitutional rights, like our brothers and sisters in the Arab world are struggling so hard to obtain? (It seems most US backed Arab dictators called these laws against assembly emergency laws.) Penn attempted to buy control and naming of the Clark Park festivals back in 2000 after their complete 1999 flop called The University of Pennsylvania, Welcome to the Neighborhood festival. (The DP did an article about this.) Maybe UCD will impose a BID tax on local residents and swoop in to take control of future festivals. But which corporation will sponsor a pro-democracy rally or teach in? And which poor neighborhoods will receive corporate sponsors? When these emergency laws are imposed, people need to hold the FOCP responsible. Our anointed wanted control of Clark Park for themselves, but some of us warned the anointed that they would never get the power they wanted, but instead were giving the power to Penn by sacrificing our rights. Think how this could have been stopped, if our local civic associations had been on the side of their neighbors, and not so blinded by their own lust for power! At the time we abandon our principles and duties as citizens, it is hard to know exactly where it will lead, only that it will always be bad. I wish I didn't need to pass on this new threat to our parks and right to assemble on public land. Thanks for your sensible posts, Glenn You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive
Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
O.K. then. Can anyone please prove Glenn wrong... I'm fairly certain he would welcome it. Let's please soon hear from someone about this idea... Darco Lalevic, Brian Siano, Anthony West, William H. Magill, will you pledge to avail in whatever ways are needed, in making Clark Park free for use, by citizens interested in sponsoring peaceful public gatherings - to share information about important concerns, and/or to engage in peaceful assembly and make common protest to grievous conditions? Rick Conrad On Apr 30, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Glenn wrote: On 4/30/2011 1:49 AM, Richard Conrad wrote: AS SOON AS CLARK PARK IS AVAILABLE AGAIN I SUGGEST WE USE IT FOR PEACEABLE ASSEMBLY... TO CONDUCT TEACH-INS... TO FOSTER GATHERINGS OF MASS CONSCIOUSNESS... AND TO DISCUSS AND ACT UPON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES. Rick, Yes, this is an important idea. Community consciousness is precisely why I worked so hard to found the CPMAC after the previous festival group gave up due to the constant harassment. Such gatherings are vital for democracy, community, and the mental health of social creatures! (I actually wanted to work for a documentary on Clark Park to examine how such a public square and the rich culture it produces is vital to diverse urban neighborhoods that work as well as ours did. When Penn was calling this area a criminal wasteland, many of us were pointing out that this had been one of the culturally richest urban communities in America! But I fought with FOCP/UCD instead of this and other projects.) Unfortunately, I need to be the bearer of more bad news. Such gatherings of citizens look like they will soon be outlawed in all Philadelphia parks, unless the organizers receive corporate sponsorship and control! (Clark Park is the pilot project to be extended to the entire city!) In 2001-02, it was called the Special Events Review Committee of the Fairmount Park Commission. (Vice President Siano recently let slip that it was again being plotted against the entire city. Siano was not part of FOCP when I fought UCD/FOCP about misapplying this committee to neighborhood groups ten years ago.) Essentially, any group requesting a park use permit is going to need to pay many many thousands of dollars or face arrest for not obtaining this permit. (This will end events by volunteers like the Clark Park festivals and Woodland Ave Reunion unless corporate money takes these over.) Connected corporations will undoubtedly get a waiver from these requirements, like their waiver from taxes the rest of us pay. Once this happens, neighborhood organizers will need to go to a hearing and pay in advance for insurance, EMT's, and even the riot police to beat us. (It's impossible to know details of other secret permit changes being planned to restrict the rights of assembly.) As I explained to Darco a couple of months ago, this law was a response to the South St. Mardi Gras sponsored by for profit bars. It was never intended to shut down block parties or neighborhood park festivals. And park permits were also never intended to be used as a method to impose unfair rules for some people and not others, as has been the case for decades. Permits were originally intended to be a reservation system to assist citizen groups when planning special events like the ones you suggest. This scheme is the big prize now that we are consumers rather than citizens, and people of Philadelphia generally don't know it's coming! Residents in other parts of the city certainly never expected this just like they didn't expect the coming sales of large parts of Fairmount Park. I expect this new permit rule will be kept quiet, and people will only find out after their local community organizers can't get permits anymore because of the cost. Do you see how these tremendous cost increases will complete the corporate coup seizing our parks, and simultaneously prevent us from regaining a democratic system or constitutional rights, like our brothers and sisters in the Arab world are struggling so hard to obtain? (It seems most US backed Arab dictators called these laws against assembly emergency laws.) Penn attempted to buy control and naming of the Clark Park festivals back in 2000 after their complete 1999 flop called The University of Pennsylvania, Welcome to the Neighborhood festival. (The DP did an article about this.) Maybe UCD will impose a BID tax on local residents and swoop in to take control of future festivals. But which corporation will sponsor a pro-democracy rally or teach in? And which poor neighborhoods will receive corporate sponsors? When these emergency laws are imposed, people need to hold the FOCP responsible. Our anointed wanted control of Clark Park for themselves, but some of us warned the anointed that they would never get the power they wanted, but instead
Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
evidence-free ? demands ? Newt Gingrich ? Brian I am truly aghast. You seem now to have become perhaps the most sour misanthrope that I know; and I used to describe you as a particularly bright, very noble, unusually friendly, superbly articulate, and most helpful human being. If you can't make the pledge just say so. Or ignore it for crying out loud... On Apr 30, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Brian Siano wrote: Wow. First we get the evidence-free claims of malfeasance, then we get the accusations of elitism, and now, the demands that others sign onto pledges. You guys are _clearly_ fans of Newt Gingrich. On 4/30/11, Richard Conrad rdcon...@verizon.net wrote: O.K. then. Can anyone please prove Glenn wrong... I'm fairly certain he would welcome it. Let's please soon hear from someone about this idea... Darco Lalevic, Brian Siano, Anthony West, William H. Magill, will you pledge to avail in whatever ways are needed, in making Clark Park free for use, by citizens interested in sponsoring peaceful public gatherings - to share information about important concerns, and/or to engage in peaceful assembly and make common protest to grievous conditions? Rick Conrad On Apr 30, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Glenn wrote: On 4/30/2011 1:49 AM, Richard Conrad wrote: AS SOON AS CLARK PARK IS AVAILABLE AGAIN I SUGGEST WE USE IT FOR PEACEABLE ASSEMBLY... TO CONDUCT TEACH-INS... TO FOSTER GATHERINGS OF MASS CONSCIOUSNESS... AND TO DISCUSS AND ACT UPON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES. Rick, Yes, this is an important idea. Community consciousness is precisely why I worked so hard to found the CPMAC after the previous festival group gave up due to the constant harassment. Such gatherings are vital for democracy, community, and the mental health of social creatures! (I actually wanted to work for a documentary on Clark Park to examine how such a public square and the rich culture it produces is vital to diverse urban neighborhoods that work as well as ours did. When Penn was calling this area a criminal wasteland, many of us were pointing out that this had been one of the culturally richest urban communities in America! But I fought with FOCP/UCD instead of this and other projects.) Unfortunately, I need to be the bearer of more bad news. Such gatherings of citizens look like they will soon be outlawed in all Philadelphia parks, unless the organizers receive corporate sponsorship and control! (Clark Park is the pilot project to be extended to the entire city!) In 2001-02, it was called the Special Events Review Committee of the Fairmount Park Commission. (Vice President Siano recently let slip that it was again being plotted against the entire city. Siano was not part of FOCP when I fought UCD/FOCP about misapplying this committee to neighborhood groups ten years ago.) Essentially, any group requesting a park use permit is going to need to pay many many thousands of dollars or face arrest for not obtaining this permit. (This will end events by volunteers like the Clark Park festivals and Woodland Ave Reunion unless corporate money takes these over.) Connected corporations will undoubtedly get a waiver from these requirements, like their waiver from taxes the rest of us pay. Once this happens, neighborhood organizers will need to go to a hearing and pay in advance for insurance, EMT's, and even the riot police to beat us. (It's impossible to know details of other secret permit changes being planned to restrict the rights of assembly.) As I explained to Darco a couple of months ago, this law was a response to the South St. Mardi Gras sponsored by for profit bars. It was never intended to shut down block parties or neighborhood park festivals. And park permits were also never intended to be used as a method to impose unfair rules for some people and not others, as has been the case for decades. Permits were originally intended to be a reservation system to assist citizen groups when planning special events like the ones you suggest. This scheme is the big prize now that we are consumers rather than citizens, and people of Philadelphia generally don't know it's coming! Residents in other parts of the city certainly never expected this just like they didn't expect the coming sales of large parts of Fairmount Park. I expect this new permit rule will be kept quiet, and people will only find out after their local community organizers can't get permits anymore because of the cost. Do you see how these tremendous cost increases will complete the corporate coup seizing our parks, and simultaneously prevent us from regaining a democratic system or constitutional rights, like our brothers and sisters in the Arab world are struggling so hard to obtain? (It seems most US backed Arab dictators called these laws against assembly emergency laws.) Penn attempted to buy control and naming of the Clark Park festivals back
Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
On 4/30/11, Richard Conrad rdcon...@verizon.net wrote: Brian I am truly aghast. You seem now to have become perhaps the most sour misanthrope that I know; and I used to describe you as a particularly bright, very noble, unusually friendly, superbly articulate, and most helpful human being. If you can't make the pledge just say so. Or ignore it for crying out loud... I'm heartbroken. Look, I've looked at Glenn's complaints for years. I ran for the board mainly to help him defend the Festival against the stuff he was complaining about. It took me about five months to form a far more critical opinion of Glenn than you realize. My experience has shown me that Glenn functions on the same level of integrity as the Rev. Fred Phelps. But you can earn your own experience. Get together with him. Have coffee. Sit down. Ask him to give you the entire story, start to finish. Ask critical questions. Ask for evidence. Subject him to the same level of scrutiny you'd give the FOCP. Ask him why he's so hostile, why he accuses people of being shills for Penn, and why, when anyone questions his claims, he accuses them of being stupid, gullible, and ignorant. Ask him about the various roles of community activist he claims for himself, and what he actually did to claim them. Ask him what, precisely, is it about the park's redesigns that make it corporate and yuppified or whatever term he uses these days. Try to pin down what his complaints actually are. Even better, try to work with him. You'll find out about Glenn Moyer soon enough. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
You chose to ignore my questions and requests. You chose to call me a Newt Gingrich fan. Now instead of dealing with me you return to tar and feathering Glenn. Your arrogance, not his level of integrity, is what I am confronting. On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Brian Siano wrote: On 4/30/11, Richard Conrad rdcon...@verizon.net wrote: Brian I am truly aghast. You seem now to have become perhaps the most sour misanthrope that I know; and I used to describe you as a particularly bright, very noble, unusually friendly, superbly articulate, and most helpful human being. If you can't make the pledge just say so. Or ignore it for crying out loud... I'm heartbroken. Look, I've looked at Glenn's complaints for years. I ran for the board mainly to help him defend the Festival against the stuff he was complaining about. It took me about five months to form a far more critical opinion of Glenn than you realize. My experience has shown me that Glenn functions on the same level of integrity as the Rev. Fred Phelps. But you can earn your own experience. Get together with him. Have coffee. Sit down. Ask him to give you the entire story, start to finish. Ask critical questions. Ask for evidence. Subject him to the same level of scrutiny you'd give the FOCP. Ask him why he's so hostile, why he accuses people of being shills for Penn, and why, when anyone questions his claims, he accuses them of being stupid, gullible, and ignorant. Ask him about the various roles of community activist he claims for himself, and what he actually did to claim them. Ask him what, precisely, is it about the park's redesigns that make it corporate and yuppified or whatever term he uses these days. Try to pin down what his complaints actually are. Even better, try to work with him. You'll find out about Glenn Moyer soon enough. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
Rick, Vice President Siano will always refuse requests for information with some ranting personal attack. It has long been the first response/technique employed by he and FOCP leaders to protect secrets and intimidate other potential questions. None of the other FOCP leaders are ever going to step up and provide the information that is important to the public either. Nor will they ever ask Siano or West to represent the FOCP appropriately, when questions that are relevant to the entire community are asked by neighbors, and they give these embarrassing nasty responses. This conduct of their long term leaders shames the entire FOCP membership, and discredits their association. That is why West is scouring the neighborhood for people to join their board. They can no longer get 10% of their members (quorum) to come to their elections, as I reported to this list over a year ago. People are tired of being treated like this by these clowns! People on this list have seen this many times from these FOCP officers, who claim to represent this community. The key problem is that the information I have exposed and discussed is secret. They demand that it remain undiscussed by our neighbors! They don't know what else to do but use these terrible and ridiculous tactics! The constant use of this technique only proves to the vast majority of our neighbors that the FOCP leaders are keeping information from all of them. I know its annoying for some people to get the many posts which draw this out, BUT THERE ARE HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE IN WEST PHILLY WHO WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH CLARK PARK AND ARE TIRED OF THE RUN AROUND, AND MISINFORMATION. That's why I was asked to write about the history recently, and honored that request. Any of these could quickly force an apology from me, but none of the FOCP leaders will go ahead and prove me a liar ! 1 Confirm or deny that meetings of the Clark Park Partnership are invitation only, otherwise provide a list of the public meetings 2 Confirm or deny that none of the FOCP planning meetings were ever announced to the public, otherwise provide a list of the public meeting announcements. 3 Confirm or deny that Mr. Siano's leak about major changes to permit rules will impact all independent long term park groups. Name the relevant laws and documentation that can be reviewed so the full costs and requirements are public. 4 Confirm or deny that FOCP members ordered meeting announcements and agendas published in the UC Review and the FOCP Board refused, otherwise provide a list of the public meeting announcements during the past 3 years. 5 Confirm or deny that park user groups were not invited to planning meetings as desired by FOCP members. Otherwise provide the identities of the planning committee representatives so the public can verify represented stakeholder groups. On 4/30/2011 9:21 PM, Brian Siano wrote: On 4/30/11, Richard Conradrdcon...@verizon.net wrote: Brian I am truly aghast. You seem now to have become perhaps the most sour misanthrope that I know; and I used to describe you as a particularly bright, very noble, unusually friendly, superbly articulate, and most helpful human being. If you can't make the pledge just say so. Or ignore it for crying out loud... I'm heartbroken. Look, I've looked at Glenn's complaints for years. I ran for the board mainly to help him defend the Festival against the stuff he was complaining about. It took me about five months to form a far more critical opinion of Glenn than you realize. My experience has shown me that Glenn functions on the same level of integrity as the Rev. Fred Phelps. But you can earn your own experience. Get together with him. Have coffee. Sit down. Ask him to give you the entire story, start to finish. Ask critical questions. Ask for evidence. Subject him to the same level of scrutiny you'd give the FOCP. Ask him why he's so hostile, why he accuses people of being shills for Penn, and why, when anyone questions his claims, he accuses them of being stupid, gullible, and ignorant. Ask him about the various roles of community activist he claims for himself, and what he actually did to claim them. Ask him what, precisely, is it about the park's redesigns that make it corporate and yuppified or whatever term he uses these days. Try to pin down what his complaints actually are. Even better, try to work with him. You'll find out about Glenn Moyer soon enough. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3607 - Release Date: 04/30/11 14:34:00
