PS. For those of you not subscribed to UCNeighbors, that listserv is now a
Google Group and is no longer hosted by or affiliated with Penn.
Thanks for this great news, Frank! The Penn administration deserves credit for
kicking them out!
I would have liked to see the University publicly apologize in the DP and
discipline Cassidy as a deterent to other employees. But the most important
action was to stand by the open expression policy!
When I brought the clear violations of the policy to the President's office
after Censorship week, they adamantly reaffirmed a commitment to open
expression at Penn. Apparently, the long delay in their response was a PR
strategy and it allowed the gang time to move to google where they belong.
I'm in Boston, but I will send an appropriate letter of thanks to the
administration when I return. I'm still a West Philadelphia resident and Penn
took the right action for our neighborhood by kicking them out!
Also, I have a few additions to the history that you, Ray, Wilma, and others
addressed.
A total of 5 or 6 unidentified neighbors were to be pre-banned from barking
cheese, (My identity was only discovered because they apparently did not
realize that their archives were not initially blocked). Also, no specific
examples of prohibited topics or uncivil posts were ever provided as examples
to show the need for censorship of a neighborhood listserv. (This was an
overwhelming power-play against everyone, intimidating everyone about Cassidy's
personal power as censor. It's covered in Intimidation 101)
Thirdly, I was informed that one of the founding cheeseheads had openly
advocated taking over PFSNI shortly before the censored list was formed. The
barking cheese gang has always acted as a virtual flash mob. I think your
suspicion is correct that Cassidy's book was a driving force, but it probably
saved the public PSFNI list from torment.
(I wonder if Brian, Kyle, and the others still take a perverse pleasure when
homeless people are murdered?? Several subscribers including Karen, Ray, and
Al politely asked them to stop, after they found such perverse pleasure at the
murder of a homeless man at 49th and Locust. That was an example of their
neighborly civility shortly before barking cheese was announced.)
Great news about Penn,
Glenn
PS: Waiting for a civil neighborly response from West and Siano-hehehe
-Original Message-
From: Frank Carroll fcarr...@pobox.com
Sent: Apr 2, 2010 12:27 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)
If I remember correctly—and I'm sure that I do—Kyle started his personal
listserv less than a week before his book was released. I always suspected
that he did it to avoid any discussion about the book's subject matter. In
that sense I agree with you. I don't think he can easily deal with
disagreements. I could be wrong.
Frank
PS. For those of you not subscribed to UCNeighbors, that listserv is now a
Google Group and is no longer hosted by or affiliated with Penn.
On Apr 1, 2010, at 08:59 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:
Wilma de Soto wrote:
As an original member of the SHCA Listserv and its subsequent UnivCity
Listserv, I will never believe UCNeighbors was not formed in order to
discredit and shut down the UnivCity Listserv@ purple.
kyle set up his listserv towards the end of july 2007 after being on this
list for years. though it's convenient for some to think this list upmanship
has all been a question of civility, kyle's free-wheeling posting style here
was certainly no model of civility; while he was on this list he behaved at
times as badly as (if not worse than) those he (and others) accused of
behaving badly. his leaving was not about the civility of this list, but
about the inability of everyone on this list to agree. many people countered
his arguments and points of view with the same free-wheeling style he used.
some who did agree with him (while matching his free-wheeling style) left to
join his list at the same time he did; in fact, they were posting on his new
list before kyle posted the news here that he had set up his new list.
on july 27 the following free-wheeling exchange happened between he and
melani on his new list:
In a message dated 7/27/07 6:49:04 PM, kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes:
the cool thing about this software is that i can pre-ban glenn!
to which melani replied:
This will be heaven. But, I hope he doesn't know where you live.
Melani
and then on july 28, kyle announced on this list that he had set up his new
list.
one difference between kyle's list and this list: unlike kyle's list, this
list's archive can be viewed by ANYONE, whether they are subscribed or not.
the above exchange, in fact, is archived here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18895.html
and from there anyone can explore what kyle and others
