[UC] Today's sinkhole update

2010-08-27 Thread Krfapt
Last night, the person whose car was beginning to fall into the hole (front 
 passenger-side tire was in it already) found a towing company who said 
they  could pull her out -- even though she was blocked in front and back with 
other  cars. It took them a while but they did it -- with a roll-off truck, 
not a  lift-type rig.
 
This mid-morning, the rest of the cars parked along the east curb were  
gone. I don't know whether the city towed them out of there or if the owners  
came and got them -- and, if the latter, had they been notified or was it 
just  serendipity.
 
A lone worker from the Water Dept came, and stood there scratching his  
head. One of my guys talked to him. He said he'd been sent out to remove an old 
 lateral -- that old, disconnected sewer connection that was probably a 
holdover  from the pre-1916 Convent that had been on the land between 44  
43rd,  Spruce  Pine. But he said nobody told him the street was caving in and 
they  needed a special team to do the work, so he left without doing anything.
 
With all the cars gone, my guys rounded up a few more orange traffic cones  
and put them along the whole stretch with some plastic tape. We also put up 
some  signs telling people not to park there because of the imminent danger 
of roadway  collapse.
 
This still leaves the cave and tunnel that do under the main part of the  
roadway as real hazards. A heavy truck might crash through. In my humble  
opinion, they should barricade 44th Street going south at Spruce and put up 
some  detour signs.
 
And, of course, nothing's been done by way of actually beginning to correct 
 the problem.
 
Also, we've talked to the inspectors and they really don't know what caused 
 all the underground erosion -- is it new or old, is it a leaky storm drain 
or  water main, etc.
 
Al Krigman


Re: [UC] Today's sinkhole update

2010-08-27 Thread Wilma de Soto
The underground creek system of Philadelphia strikes again.  It¹s amazing
the underground creek systems in Philadelphia. I have a map of these
waterways, and it¹s a miricle most of us haven¹t fallen into the sewers.

I do not want relive the Mill Creek Cave-in during the early 1960¹s when
people and children were killed when their houses collapsed atop them in the
night..  As a toddler,  that haunted me for years.


On 8/27/10 1:34 PM, krf...@aol.com krf...@aol.com wrote:

 Last night, the person whose car was beginning to fall into the hole (front
 passenger-side tire was in it already) found a towing company who said they
 could pull her out -- even though she was blocked in front and back with other
 cars. It took them a while but they did it -- with a roll-off truck, not a
 lift-type rig.
  
 This mid-morning, the rest of the cars parked along the east curb were gone. I
 don't know whether the city towed them out of there or if the owners came and
 got them -- and, if the latter, had they been notified or was it just
 serendipity.
  
 A lone worker from the Water Dept came, and stood there scratching his head.
 One of my guys talked to him. He said he'd been sent out to remove an old
 lateral -- that old, disconnected sewer connection that was probably a
 holdover from the pre-1916 Convent that had been on the land between 44 
 43rd, Spruce  Pine. But he said nobody told him the street was caving in and
 they needed a special team to do the work, so he left without doing anything.
  
 With all the cars gone, my guys rounded up a few more orange traffic cones and
 put them along the whole stretch with some plastic tape. We also put up some
 signs telling people not to park there because of the imminent danger of
 roadway collapse.
  
 This still leaves the cave and tunnel that do under the main part of the
 roadway as real hazards. A heavy truck might crash through. In my humble
 opinion, they should barricade 44th Street going south at Spruce and put up
 some detour signs.
  
 And, of course, nothing's been done by way of actually beginning to correct
 the problem.
  
 Also, we've talked to the inspectors and they really don't know what caused
 all the underground erosion -- is it new or old, is it a leaky storm drain or
 water main, etc.
  
 Al Krigman