Re: [UC] vicious dog alert - part 2
In a message dated 4/5/2011 8:25:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, razum...@verizon.net writes: What can be enforced easily is a requirement that all dogs should wear a muzzle in public. Big fines could accomplish that in no time. Fat chance of that being implemented or enforced. There's a leash law; have you noticed how often people have their dogs unleashed (or, is it the dogs that have their people unleashed)? - Alan Krigman KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts Inc 211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502 krf...@aol.com or al.krig...@krf.icodat.com
Re: [UC] vicious dog alert - part 2
I agree with Al. I can't imagine that being enforced effectively. Margie On Apr 6, 2011, at 8:09 AM, krf...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/5/2011 8:25:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, razum...@verizon.net writes: What can be enforced easily is a requirement that all dogs should wear a muzzle in public. Big fines could accomplish that in no time. Fat chance of that being implemented or enforced. There's a leash law; have you noticed how often people have their dogs unleashed (or, is it the dogs that have their people unleashed)? - Alan Krigman KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts Inc 211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502 krf...@aol.com or al.krig...@krf.icodat.com
Re: [UC] vicious dog alert - part 2
Anyone see the 20' no smoking outside doors to public places enforced? Jim On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Margie Politzer m.polit...@verizon.netwrote: I agree with Al. I can't imagine that being enforced effectively. Margie * * On Apr 6, 2011, at 8:09 AM, krf...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/5/2011 8:25:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, razum...@verizon.net writes: What *can* be enforced easily is a requirement that all dogs should wear a muzzle in public. Big fines could accomplish that in no time. Fat chance of that being implemented or enforced. There's a leash law; have you noticed how often people have their dogs unleashed (or, is it the dogs that have their people unleashed)? *- *** Alan Krigman KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts Inc 211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502 krf...@aol.com or al.krig...@krf.icodat.com -- Jim Cummings
Re: [UC] vicious dog alert - part 2
I am so sorry to hear of this traumatic incident. ...and it IS traumatic--a sweet dog i was walking once was attacked by another crazy dog who WOULD NOT let go...even though the owner picked up the hind legs, I clubbed it over the head with my sneaker and the sweet dog that was chomped into was screaming in pain. Cops came and took a report (bystanders would not let the owner get away), but sadly, no money was ever able to be recouped by the sweet dog's owners. That dog required 3 surgeries at Penn, over $1,000. Is euthanasia the answer? I really don't know...I'd like to hear all opinions -cm On Apr 4, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Mimi Iijima wrote: Neighbors, A quick word of thanks to all of our friends and neighbors who have expressed support over the last couple days. Our beloved dog, Blakey, is badly torn up, but should survive his injuries barring any unforeseen complications. According to the PPD officers that took my information and filed the report, there is little that they can do as this is regarded as a civil or property crime. They also said that I should contact the SPCA so that they have record of the attack. Aside from filing a lawsuit (and the owner did not look like he could afford our vet bills) it seems that we have little recourse. I want to ensure that this animal is euthanized so that it does no more harm, but I am unsure where to begin. If anyone has any ideas about where to start please contact me via email at steveandm...@hotmail.com. I have also posted some photographs of the dog/ owner I took before running off to PennVet - http://www.flickr.com/photos/sminicola/sets/72157626431017242/ If you live, work, walk near 47th and Chester I recommend watching for and giving the owner a clear path. Judging by the way he handled his animal after the incident he knows a thing or two about dog fights. Please be careful, Steve Minicola From: steveandm...@hotmail.com To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: vicious dog alert Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 22:37:13 -0400 Neighbors, Our dog was viciously mauled late this afternoon. The dog that attacked (a big, dark, brindle pit bull terrier) was tied up outside Salt and Pepper at 47th and Chester, but broke its leash, raced across the street and attacked our dog. As we wait to learn about the extent of his injuries from the good folks at PennVet, I wanted to warn everyone to be especially cautious, especially those with small children and animals. Thanks to the kindness of a few strangers the police have identified the owner. Please be careful. Steve.
Re: [UC] vicious dog alert - part 2
I feel that the problem isn't really with the dog, but with the owner, who most likely trained this dog to fight. Since euthanasia of the owner isn't possible, ;-) , I think the owner should be heavily fined and the dog taken from him. I think that, unfortunately, the dog should be euthanized since he is clearly vicious. The larger question is how to curtail dog fighting and change people's attitudes toward it. That is a tough one. Will enforcing laws against dog fighting, aggressively going after the perpetrators, and laying heavy fines or even some jail time on them work? I don't know. As if the Philadelphia police could even make this a priority. Maybe educating children at a young age? Going into the schools with (friendly) dogs and talking about dog fighting? Margie P. On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Cindy Miller wrote: I am so sorry to hear of this traumatic incident. ...and it IS traumatic--a sweet dog i was walking once was attacked by another crazy dog who WOULD NOT let go...even though the owner picked up the hind legs, I clubbed it over the head with my sneaker and the sweet dog that was chomped into was screaming in pain. Cops came and took a report (bystanders would not let the owner get away), but sadly, no money was ever able to be recouped by the sweet dog's owners. That dog required 3 surgeries at Penn, over $1,000. Is euthanasia the answer? I really don't know...I'd like to hear all opinions -cm On Apr 4, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Mimi Iijima wrote: Neighbors, A quick word of thanks to all of our friends and neighbors who have expressed support over the last couple days. Our beloved dog, Blakey, is badly torn up, but should survive his injuries barring any unforeseen complications. According to the PPD officers that took my information and filed the report, there is little that they can do as this is regarded as a civil or property crime. They also said that I should contact the SPCA so that they have record of the attack. Aside from filing a lawsuit (and the owner did not look like he could afford our vet bills) it seems that we have little recourse. I want to ensure that this animal is euthanized so that it does no more harm, but I am unsure where to begin. If anyone has any ideas about where to start please contact me via email at steveandm...@hotmail.com. I have also posted some photographs of the dog/ owner I took before running off to PennVet - http://www.flickr.com/photos/sminicola/sets/72157626431017242/ If you live, work, walk near 47th and Chester I recommend watching for and giving the owner a clear path. Judging by the way he handled his animal after the incident he knows a thing or two about dog fights. Please be careful, Steve Minicola From: steveandm...@hotmail.com To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: vicious dog alert Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 22:37:13 -0400 Neighbors, Our dog was viciously mauled late this afternoon. The dog that attacked (a big, dark, brindle pit bull terrier) was tied up outside Salt and Pepper at 47th and Chester, but broke its leash, raced across the street and attacked our dog. As we wait to learn about the extent of his injuries from the good folks at PennVet, I wanted to warn everyone to be especially cautious, especially those with small children and animals. Thanks to the kindness of a few strangers the police have identified the owner. Please be careful. Steve.
Re: [UC] vicious dog alert - part 2
What *can* be enforced easily is a requirement that all dogs should wear a muzzle in public. Big fines could accomplish that in no time. Gerardo Razumney On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Margie Politzer m.polit...@verizon.netwrote: I feel that the problem isn't really with the dog, but with the owner, who most likely trained this dog to fight. Since euthanasia of the owner isn't possible, ;-) , I think the owner should be heavily fined and the dog taken from him. I think that, unfortunately, the dog should be euthanized since he is clearly vicious. The larger question is how to curtail dog fighting and change people's attitudes toward it. That is a tough one. Will enforcing laws against dog fighting, aggressively going after the perpetrators, and laying heavy fines or even some jail time on them work? I don't know. As if the Philadelphia police could even make this a priority. Maybe educating children at a young age? Going into the schools with (friendly) dogs and talking about dog fighting? Margie P. On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Cindy Miller wrote: I am so sorry to hear of this traumatic incident. ...and it IS traumatic--a sweet dog i was walking once was attacked by another crazy dog who WOULD NOT let go...even though the owner picked up the hind legs, I clubbed it over the head with my sneaker and the sweet dog that was chomped into was screaming in pain. Cops came and took a report (bystanders would not let the owner get away), but sadly, no money was ever able to be recouped by the sweet dog's owners. That dog required 3 surgeries at Penn, over $1,000. Is euthanasia the answer? I really don't know...I'd like to hear all opinions -cm On Apr 4, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Mimi Iijima wrote: Neighbors, A quick word of thanks to all of our friends and neighbors who have expressed support over the last couple days. Our beloved dog, Blakey, is badly torn up, but should survive his injuries barring any unforeseen complications. According to the PPD officers that took my information and filed the report, there is little that they can do as this is regarded as a civil or property crime. They also said that I should contact the SPCA so that they have record of the attack. Aside from filing a lawsuit (and the owner did not look like he could afford our vet bills) it seems that we have little recourse. I want to ensure that this animal is euthanized so that it does no more harm, but I am unsure where to begin. If anyone has any ideas about where to start please contact me via email at steveandm...@hotmail.com. I have also posted some photographs of the dog/ owner I took before running off to PennVet - http://www.flickr.com/photos/sminicola/sets/72157626431017242/ If you live, work, walk near 47th and Chester I recommend watching for and giving the owner a clear path. Judging by the way he handled his animal after the incident he knows a thing or two about dog fights. Please be careful, Steve Minicola -- From: steveandm...@hotmail.com To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: vicious dog alert Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 22:37:13 -0400 Neighbors, Our dog was viciously mauled late this afternoon. The dog that attacked (a big, dark, brindle pit bull terrier) was tied up outside Salt and Pepper at 47th and Chester, but broke its leash, raced across the street and attacked our dog. As we wait to learn about the extent of his injuries from the good folks at PennVet, I wanted to warn everyone to be especially cautious, especially those with small children and animals. Thanks to the kindness of a few strangers the police have identified the owner. Please be careful. Steve.
[UC] vicious dog alert - part 2
Neighbors, A quick word of thanks to all of our friends and neighbors who have expressed support over the last couple days. Our beloved dog, Blakey, is badly torn up, but should survive his injuries barring any unforeseen complications. According to the PPD officers that took my information and filed the report, there is little that they can do as this is regarded as a civil or property crime. They also said that I should contact the SPCA so that they have record of the attack. Aside from filing a lawsuit (and the owner did not look like he could afford our vet bills) it seems that we have little recourse. I want to ensure that this animal is euthanized so that it does no more harm, but I am unsure where to begin. If anyone has any ideas about where to start please contact me via email at steveandm...@hotmail.com. I have also posted some photographs of the dog/ owner I took before running off to PennVet - http://www.flickr.com/photos/sminicola/sets/72157626431017242/ If you live, work, walk near 47th and Chester I recommend watching for and giving the owner a clear path. Judging by the way he handled his animal after the incident he knows a thing or two about dog fights. Please be careful, Steve Minicola From: steveandm...@hotmail.com To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: vicious dog alert Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 22:37:13 -0400 Neighbors, Our dog was viciously mauled late this afternoon. The dog that attacked (a big, dark, brindle pit bull terrier) was tied up outside Salt and Pepper at 47th and Chester, but broke its leash, raced across the street and attacked our dog. As we wait to learn about the extent of his injuries from the good folks at PennVet, I wanted to warn everyone to be especially cautious, especially those with small children and animals. Thanks to the kindness of a few strangers the police have identified the owner. Please be careful. Steve.
Re: [UC] vicious dog alert - part 2
The owner also looks like he has been fighting too. ?-Maybe attacks from his own dog? Sad. - RC On Apr 4, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Mimi Iijima wrote: Neighbors, A quick word of thanks to all of our friends and neighbors who have expressed support over the last couple days. Our beloved dog, Blakey, is badly torn up, but should survive his injuries barring any unforeseen complications. According to the PPD officers that took my information and filed the report, there is little that they can do as this is regarded as a civil or property crime. They also said that I should contact the SPCA so that they have record of the attack. Aside from filing a lawsuit (and the owner did not look like he could afford our vet bills) it seems that we have little recourse. I want to ensure that this animal is euthanized so that it does no more harm, but I am unsure where to begin. If anyone has any ideas about where to start please contact me via email at steveandm...@hotmail.com. I have also posted some photographs of the dog/ owner I took before running off to PennVet -http://www.flickr.com/photos/sminicola/sets/72157626431017242/ If you live, work, walk near 47th and Chester I recommend watching for and giving the owner a clear path. Judging by the way he handled his animal after the incident he knows a thing or two about dog fights. Please be careful, Steve Minicola From: steveandm...@hotmail.com To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: vicious dog alert Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 22:37:13 -0400 Neighbors, Our dog was viciously mauled late this afternoon. The dog that attacked (a big, dark, brindle pit bull terrier) was tied up outside Salt and Pepper at 47th and Chester, but broke its leash, raced across the street and attacked our dog. As we wait to learn about the extent of his injuries from the good folks at PennVet, I wanted to warn everyone to be especially cautious, especially those with small children and animals. Thanks to the kindness of a few strangers the police have identified the owner. Please be careful. Steve.
