[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Please change the targeted upgrade to Eclipse 3.5.0. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Fedora 11 uses 3.4.2. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f11/en-US/sect- Release_Notes-Eclipse.html -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
i use the latest version of eclipse in Ubuntu 8.04 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=941461highlight=eclipse -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
Re: [Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Thanks for the information Karl, but this bug report is about packaging the latest stable version of Eclipse. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, karl michael karl.1mich...@gmail.comwrote: i use the latest version of eclipse in Ubuntu 8.04 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=941461highlight=eclipse -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in “eclipse” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “eclipse” source package in Baltix: New Status in “eclipse” source package in Debian: New Bug description: Binary package hint: eclipse Eclipse 3.4.2 is now out -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Hello, seems like Mandriva ships the latest version of eclipse. http://qense.nl/eclipse-34-on-ubuntu-is-tricky-but-possible/comment- page-1#comment-6291 Being Mandriva based on Ubuntu couldn't Debian/Ubuntu grab the package from them or join forces ? -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Mandriva isn't based on Ubuntu at all (Mandriva is a new name for Mandrake, which in turn is based on Red Hat, and both are older than Ubuntu). Mandriva also uses RPMs whereas Ubuntu uses deb packages, and packaging guidelines are quite different, so one of Debian or Ubuntu will have to package Eclipse by themselves (thanks to some volunteers, of course). -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Status know, package isn't maintained in Debian anymore. Updating to a new package version requires some effort. If somebody does want to start this, please get in contact on the ubuntu-devel ML. The current packaging in the PPA isn't suited for upload to karmic/universe. As long as the package is available in Debian, it should not be removed in Ubuntu. Blacklisting for syncs doesn't seem to be appropriate. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Matthias: can you work on fixing bug 312824 (i.e., sponsoring the move of jetty from contrib to main) so that someone can actually get started on decent eclipse packaging? -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
I would like to help. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
I'd like too! Ready to learn! -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
Re: [Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Luca Saba lucas...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like too! Ready to learn! Testing is great but what is missing right now is someone with enough free time to do the actual work. I 'll hopefully have some free time in the beginnings of July but not before. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
I'm be willing to do testing, but I know nothing about Java or packaging. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
** Description changed: Binary package hint: eclipse - Eclipse 3.4.2 is now out - maybe we could see this in Karmic? - - [was: Eclipse 3.3/3.4/3.4.1 is out, maybe we could see this in - Gutsy/Intrepid/Jaunty?] + Eclipse 3.4.2 is now out -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
Re: [Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Well, why not aim for 3.5 instead? It is not like the work required to get 3.4.x in shape is any less, or that it would be finished before 3.5 is out anyway. (Of course that is just imho). -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
** Description changed: Binary package hint: eclipse - Eclipse 3.4.2 is now out - maybe we could see this in Jaunty? + Eclipse 3.4.2 is now out - maybe we could see this in Karmic? [was: Eclipse 3.3/3.4/3.4.1 is out, maybe we could see this in - Gutsy/Intrepid?] + Gutsy/Intrepid/Jaunty?] -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Glad to see this is being proposed as blueprint foundations-karmic- eclipse-update for karmic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic- eclipse-update -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
I actually really like the example packages in the PPA from ~yogarine, quite an interesting idea to package in this way -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
We're quickly approaching two years since this bug was launched, many people have said things but nothing has come from it to get a proper package-build-process started. Considering how many developers use Eclipse (for so many different things), I would have put money on this being fixed 18 months ago... And I would have lost. So apart from people randomly assigning this to random groups (Medibuntu? wtf?!), what's going on? People appear to be taking this on, finding it doesn't build and eventually giving up. Is there any way we can elevate this from a community bug to a proper Canonical we can't release Karmic with E3.2 bug? Because shipping Eclipse 3.2 in Intrepid and Jaunty is a complete joke. Shipping it in Karmic is just lazy. If we can't do it as a community, lets get Canonical and Sun talking to resolve this issue before we start getting laughed at. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Oli, I think the reason this will never be done is really simple: not having elcipse package is not a problem. At all. It's really easy to install eclipse manually, It have it's own internal update, plugins installation and dependency resolving system. Same time, any external update and plugins installation are complex, unreliable and... just never worse the time spent on them vs. simplicity of eclipse manual installation and self-update. Who want to kill days or even weeks on the problem that can be solved in other way in 5 minutes? Just forget about the eclipse package. Anyone who need it will be able to install manually. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Well... IMHO, the own internal update, plugin installation and dependency resolving system is not that reliable. I cannot count the number of problems and workarounds I had trying to install several plugins with different (and incompatible) dependencies. It's so painful that most plugin editors also release a version of their plugin bundled with eclipse, to avoid its integration if you want to give it a try. Also, I think that when you are a part-time developper, being able to install your workspace from clean distribution package, if you want, is a real advantage since you can focus on your job, and not on system administration/maintainance tasks. What's the status of other major distribution ? Most of them ship Ganymede (3.4)... so it seems to be feasible... or maybe I missed something ? -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
Re: [Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Somebody's working on it: https://launchpad.net/~eclipse-team/+archive/ppa One could say that it isn't difficult to install eclipse manually, but imho it's bad school of thought: one could say that about 70% of software. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Oli o...@thepcspy.com wrote: We're quickly approaching two years since this bug was launched, many people have said things but nothing has come from it to get a proper package-build-process started. Considering how many developers use Eclipse (for so many different things), I would have put money on this being fixed 18 months ago... And I would have lost. So apart from people randomly assigning this to random groups (Medibuntu? wtf?!), what's going on? People appear to be taking this on, finding it doesn't build and eventually giving up. Is there any way we can elevate this from a community bug to a proper Canonical we can't release Karmic with E3.2 bug? Because shipping Eclipse 3.2 in Intrepid and Jaunty is a complete joke. Shipping it in Karmic is just lazy. If we can't do it as a community, lets get Canonical and Sun talking to resolve this issue before we start getting laughed at. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in “eclipse” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “eclipse” source package in Baltix: New Status in “eclipse” source package in Debian: New Bug description: Binary package hint: eclipse Eclipse 3.4.2 is now out - maybe we could see this in Jaunty? [was: Eclipse 3.3/3.4/3.4.1 is out, maybe we could see this in Gutsy/Intrepid?] -- M. Modrzejewski -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
Re: [Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Caesar, that's really dangerous thinking there. Those same arguments could be levelled against lots of other mature apps that have their own ecosystems... Surely you wouldn't suggest not packaging (for example) Firefox? We use packages for a good reason: it keeps things sturdy and constant between similar machines and results in a standardised install process you can script for any machine. It also, psychologically speaking, instils an ethos of installing things from a trusted source. Downloading things from all-over the internet is one reason why the security landscape is so mired on Windows. You might try and say that Eclipse appeals to a different audience but looking at Add/Remove, it's is one of the most popular packages in the package popularity contest for the Programming section, only beaten outright by Python (for obvious reasons). People want it and they want to get it from Ubuntu's repositories. I don't deny that downloading and untarring Eclipse from eclipse.org works but that's not the point. Eclipse is major software that thousands (if not millions) of people use. It's a waste of time doesn't seem like a valid argument. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Caesar gaius.jul...@gmail.com wrote: Oli, I think the reason this will never be done is really simple: not having elcipse package is not a problem. At all. It's really easy to install eclipse manually, It have it's own internal update, plugins installation and dependency resolving system. Same time, any external update and plugins installation are complex, unreliable and... just never worse the time spent on them vs. simplicity of eclipse manual installation and self-update. Who want to kill days or even weeks on the problem that can be solved in other way in 5 minutes? Just forget about the eclipse package. Anyone who need it will be able to install manually. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
do you expect apt to be more reliable in installing eclipse and its numerous plugins than eclipse itself? When I need my workspace on the clean machine I simply unpack my eclipse installation with all its plugins. It is easier than installing everything with apt and it is easier than fresh eclipse install and then plugins install with internal installer. And I don't need to configure tons of tiny things for every plugin. Apt and eclipse can live together only when all plugins will have their's own debs maintained by plugin's developers. In any other case you'll have eventually install something through eclipse's internal installer which is bad. Not because it's just bad but because you will have two managers - apt and eclipse messing with the same software. You will never be sure which way to use next time because one will work better for one set of lugins and other will work for some other set, and you will never know who's responsible of the failure - plugin creator, eclipse, or repo package maintainer. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
Re: [Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
I made my own packages of Eclipse and a bunch of plugins using the release tarballs from eclipse.org: https://edge.launchpad.net/~yogarine/+archive/ppa I did this because from my experience installing Eclipse and then installing all the plugins you want is always a big hassle that can take up a whole hour. Why go to all that trouble if you can just type: sudo apt-get install eclipse-pdt Just give my ppa a try and I'm sure you'll like the idea. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Oli o...@thepcspy.com wrote: Caesar, that's really dangerous thinking there. Those same arguments could be levelled against lots of other mature apps that have their own ecosystems... Surely you wouldn't suggest not packaging (for example) Firefox? We use packages for a good reason: it keeps things sturdy and constant between similar machines and results in a standardised install process you can script for any machine. It also, psychologically speaking, instils an ethos of installing things from a trusted source. Downloading things from all-over the internet is one reason why the security landscape is so mired on Windows. You might try and say that Eclipse appeals to a different audience but looking at Add/Remove, it's is one of the most popular packages in the package popularity contest for the Programming section, only beaten outright by Python (for obvious reasons). People want it and they want to get it from Ubuntu's repositories. I don't deny that downloading and untarring Eclipse from eclipse.org works but that's not the point. Eclipse is major software that thousands (if not millions) of people use. It's a waste of time doesn't seem like a valid argument. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Caesar gaius.jul...@gmail.com wrote: Oli, I think the reason this will never be done is really simple: not having elcipse package is not a problem. At all. It's really easy to install eclipse manually, It have it's own internal update, plugins installation and dependency resolving system. Same time, any external update and plugins installation are complex, unreliable and... just never worse the time spent on them vs. simplicity of eclipse manual installation and self-update. Who want to kill days or even weeks on the problem that can be solved in other way in 5 minutes? Just forget about the eclipse package. Anyone who need it will be able to install manually. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Alwin Garside Email: yogar...@gmail.com Blog: http://www.yogarine.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/yogarine MSN: yogar...@msn.com Skype: yogarine Phone: +31 (0)23 8442699 Mobile: +31 (0)6 49 748 424 -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
are there some technical issues that doesn't allow to install core of eclipse via apt (and keep it updated when new releases of eclipse occurs) and let the end user to install plugins via eclipse's build-in mechanisms? I don't understand why you are packaging let's say perl + tons of modules (the same I can say regarding php/python/ruby, etc) when it has own module manager called cpan. If someone need to update module (installed via apt) or install new module (not packages as .deb) he is able to do that via cpan and everything works fine, because such modules installs to /usr/local/lib and they have higher priority. Why you can't do the same with eclipse? -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
Re: [Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Fwiw: 1) The statement that eclipse doesn't need packaging and it is trivial to install standalone is imho *a joke*. The fact is, eclipse *does* have dependencies on other stuff that is installed via the package system (by far the most painful of which is, of course, mozilla/xulrunner). Packaging eclipse hopefully makes packagers responsible for making sure the installed versions of these dependencies are appropriate and won't cause problems (e.g., see the current bugs in fedora/debian where eclipse doesn't even start because the mozilla guys decided to change their API once more. Those are the kinds of problems that packaging is supposed to fix). 2) The hardest technical issue for packaging, is by far the eclipse build system. My package released in christmas (based on the fedora package) proved that it is indeed possible to get something that works (even with eclipse's new update/provisioning system, P2) but the size of packaging scripts and the number of patches that had to be applied to get things to work *almost* reasonably, shows this path is unfortunately unmaintainable in the long run. Even the Fedora/Redhat guys seem to be concerned with that issue. The linuxdistros eclipse project is working on a saner build system for eclipse (called eclipse-build) and rockwalrus has worked on a slightly different build system too (that I like a bit better). If you are really interested in seeing recent eclipse in shape for debian/ubuntu and are reasonably well versed in java/ant, you should really consider helping those efforts. There are also policy issues imho: E.g., should the osgi framework (equinox) be provided separately? (it is already used standalone by a few people). What should we do with the shared libraries? Other issues are simple but tedious stuff like packaging and pushing all the dependencies in a form that are usable by eclipse (at least an OSGified Manifest.MF). I have filed bugs for lots of the subtasks I could think of in https://bugs.launchpad.net/eclipse-debian My source has also been public from the beginning and is in a gitorious repository (eclipse-debian)* rockwalrus also has the eclipse-ubuntu effort. So, currently it seems nobody has the needed free time (I know I don't) to finish the job. But if everyone contributing complaints to this bug had invested a few hours to solve one of the documented subproblems, eclipse would be pretty ok by now ;) *git://gitorious.org/eclipse-debian/mainline.git -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
Re: [Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
Caesar wrote: do you expect apt to be more reliable in installing eclipse and its numerous plugins than eclipse itself? When I need my workspace on the clean machine I simply unpack my eclipse installation with all its plugins. It is easier than installing everything with apt and it is easier than fresh eclipse install and then plugins install with internal installer. And I don't need to configure tons of tiny things for every plugin. Apt and eclipse can live together only when all plugins will have their's own debs maintained by plugin's developers. In any other case you'll have eventually install something through eclipse's internal installer which is bad. Not because it's just bad but because you will have two managers - apt and eclipse messing with the same software. You will never be sure which way to use next time because one will work better for one set of lugins and other will work for some other set, and you will never know who's responsible of the failure - plugin creator, eclipse, or repo package maintainer. You could make this same argument for Firefox with the myriad plugins, but it's still packaged. Some plugins with .deb packages and some as .xpi There is a difference between the two in that the .deb packages are systemwide whereas the .xpi are for the user only. This was one of the main issues brought up earlier in this thread. A mutli-user system needs at least the base eclipse installation if not all the necessary plugins to be global so only one copy is needed on the system. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
@Sergiy Zuban: No there are no technical limitations to having mixed system-wide eclipse updated through apt and local plugins installed through Eclipse's Update Manager. I have done lots of test with the packages in my PPA and in all cases things just work perfectly. The approach I took was to use Eclipse 3.4's dropins folder to install eclipse plugins system-wide in .debs. -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[Bug 123064] Re: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2
** Summary changed: - Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.1 + Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 ** Description changed: Binary package hint: eclipse - Eclipse 3.4.1 is now out - maybe we could see this in Jaunty? + Eclipse 3.4.2 is now out - maybe we could see this in Jaunty? - [was: Eclipse 3.3/3.4 is out, maybe we could see this in + [was: Eclipse 3.3/3.4/3.4.1 is out, maybe we could see this in Gutsy/Intrepid?] -- Upgrade to Eclipse 3.4.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs -- universe-bugs mailing list universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
