Re: [OT] Urban OS
On 30/09/2011 17:23, stephen barncard wrote: THis is absurd for them to expect this to take off. Optimistic perhaps, absurd is too strong. It strikes me as YAOM (Yet Another Optimistic Moonshot). If they are exactly on target they may do very well. If they miss, even slightly, they probably get nothing. What about security - not trivial Not achievable either as long as hordes of unaccountable and frequently clueless people are involved, which will obviously be the case. The whole concept is a nightmare really, but nobody will realise until it actually goes badly wrong because that's the way we do things, rush in where angels fear to tread and D'oh later. However, security will be a nightmare regardless of any OS that is or isn't used, the fundamental issue is opening everything to the possibility of remote control or monitoring. If history is anything to go by, the more we are accustomed to thinking of a device as a dumb or passive mechanism, the more casual we will be about its security. There are apparently wireless interfaces in modern cars that have no security worth speaking of, which could theoretically allow wireless attacks to control parts of the car while on the road, medical implants such as pacemakers can be hacked wirlessly. I recall hearing that the Taliban eavesdropped on the control traffic of military drones which nobody thought to encrypt!! People already hack traffic signs and ticker tape displays and so on. Is this proprietary? - if so, bound to fail Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, bound to fail. what processor is this based on? Don't know, but my guess is whatever processor makes commercial sense. Who coordinates development and support? LOL. Moxie Marlinspike Maybe? How is it paid for? My assumption was that this is probably funded by venture capital at present, and likely looking for more investors, hence the article. an OS of any kind is a big deal. I am very skeptical. Seriously, the sinister world of interconnected mundane gadgets is supposed to be an inevitable outcome of ubiquious networking and IPv6 and if that is the case, it is surely arguable that there should be an OS designed specifically for purpose rather than relying on some cannibalised desktop OS. I think I share your scepticism of this particular project, if only because I don't know enough about it, but I would not be surprised if something of this general nature is very successful at some point. If you want to make some quick money though, write a scifi blockbuster movie based around the premise of an urban environment that is entirely connected and controlled by AI software which has gone mad. CGI fun! Comedy/paranoia genre. Brazil on steroids. Plausibility irrelevant. Actually, just the other day I threw out my keyboard after I realised it was typing characters by itself and sometimes sending random keypress commands to the OS. That's a foretaste of the future perhaps. Martin Baxter ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
Chipp, Sorry but I don't have the time to read very long e-mails, yet I try to help where I can. Richard's explanation was mere speculation, even though a nice one. Graham mentions C++ packages, which seem to be necessary for compiling. If Graham wants to find a solution, he'll have to study more and make some compromises, e.g. make GhostScript a requirement for his software. Anyway, since you know everything much better, I propose you help Graham to solve this problem. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 See what you get with only a small contribution. All our LiveCode downloads are listed at http://qery.us/zr On 2 okt 2011, at 04:51, Chipp Walters wrote: Mark, If you actually took the time and checked it out, you would know what Graham is talking about IS ALREADY COMPILED. I know you think you are being helpful, but your two sentence responses to everyone's problems aren't always the best. For instance, a couple weeks ago when your curt replies diminished a student on these lists who only wanted to understand how LC compiles scripts (thanks Richard for an excellent explanation!) FYI, the ImageMagick DL is over 43 Mb, and the GhostScript install is another 12 each for 64-bit and 32-bit. Plus there's the necessity of detecting which Windows OS you're on vs which to install. Creating an installer which can correctly install all of this is not trivial, and it will create a final installation substantially larger in filesize than the LC application-- and difficult for many to download. And then there's this bit of information regarding AFTER installing the compiled binary: If you have any problems, install the Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) or Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x64). 64-bit Windows requires both packages (x86 x64). If I had to ship this functionality in a commercial app, I would commission an external. Frankly, I don't know of a single commercial app on Windows which forces the install of ImageMagick-- for these very reasons. It's difficult for experienced users, almost certainly not trivial for newbies. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Hi Graham, Try downloading a binary instead of compiling it yourself. Schools should not behave like they're the European Central Bank but should just install the software teachers and pupils need. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
I just downloaded one of the binaries from the IM download site (the zip file that is meant to require no installation/windows registry atlerations). No compilation was involved. No error messages were thrown up in the installation (i.e. unzipping process). I found what I took to be the GUI interface to IM, and fired it up. No errors. The zip file was indeed 43mb, which expanded out to 109mb. I looked at the files included in the zip archive, and saw one called convert.exe. I could not imagine that Mark intends for customers to go through a full end user GUI install. So, as a test, I copied convert.exe into a temp directory and ran it from a command prompt. It complained about needing a dll, so I copied that over. Then it ran without complaining, and explained what the command line options were. That is the kind of environment in which one would use shell to get an external program to do some work. The combined size of exe + dll combination was about 7mb. Considering that the Skype client weighs in at 23mb, Chrome is 44mb, and iWorks is a 474mb download, I think we really need to move beyond a fixation on the size of an application being downloaded. I don't use Skype more than once a month. I downloaded half a gigabyte from Apple just have a look at Keynote. Clearly having a large initial download does not stop most businesses from thriving (or Apple would have ditched iWorks long ago). I imagine Graham's clients would be happy to download an application that was 20mb bigger if it could do what they want it to do. A LiveCode + IM exe/dll + Ghostscript exe/dll might still be smaller than the Skype client. My home DSL line has a (soft) limit of 20gb a month - many of the customers exceed that considerably and on a regular basis. We are not in the days of dialup modems. Almost the whole of the web is predicated on people being prepared to download massive files (a friend of mine was recently reduced to using a dialup modem for a week, and she couldn't even moderate the comments on her blog that way). My experiment was on a Vista Home laptop. It didn't strike me as a particularly difficult nor onerous task to do this test. And I have no interest in nor experience with ImageMagick. I surmised this is the kind of scenario that Mark was working with. Bernard On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: FYI, the ImageMagick DL is over 43 Mb, and the GhostScript install is another 12 each for 64-bit and 32-bit. Plus there's the necessity of detecting which Windows OS you're on vs which to install. Creating an installer which can correctly install all of this is not trivial, and it will create a final installation substantially larger in filesize than the LC application-- and difficult for many to download. And then there's this bit of information regarding AFTER installing the compiled binary: If you have any problems, install the Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) or Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x64). 64-bit Windows requires both packages (x86 x64). ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: use of ME in behaviors
On 10/1/11 4:38 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: So I am trying to understand what me references. In order for there to be a scrollbar of a group of me , me would have to refer to a card or bigger parent group, or stack. Did I get that right? You can think of behaviors as private backscripts for an object. For every object that has a behavior assigned, me refers to the object itself. So a button's behavior script that uses me would refer to that button. The beauty is, me will refer independently to every button that uses that behavior. Me in button 1 will mean button Dog, where the same behavior assigned to button 2 will mean, say, button Cat. It works like you copied the same script into each button. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Turn off all Radio Buttons
Is there a single line of code that will turn off all radio buttons in a group? - Mark P. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Turn-off-all-Radio-Buttons-tp3865377p3865377.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dragging folder to a field under linux adds file://beforethefolder
On 10/1/11 7:45 AM, Olivier Dussutour wrote: Hi Matthias, I'm sorry to insist (needless to say I'm a beginner). I read your answer but I wanted this script to a program that would allow students from primary to copy files on all the computers of their room and I found the drag and drop easier than choosing from a list. Hence my interest in your script but if the students could select more than one at once it would be great. They can do that. In the script Matthias gave, tList is just a variable name. You could easily call it tFiles or anything else. Your student would select several files in the Finder or Windows Explorer, then drag them all to your stack at the same time. The dragdrop handler Matthias posted will put all the file paths into the variable, one path per line. Your own handler can then get each line of tList and work with it. ON dragdrop put the dragdata[files] into tList END dragdrop If I have selected three files in the OS, the above handler would contain something like this in the variable tList: volume/folder/file1.txt volume/folder/file2.txt volume/folder/file3.txt -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: I just downloaded one of the binaries from the IM download site (the zip file that is meant to require no installation/windows registry atlerations). No compilation was involved. No error messages were thrown up in the installation (i.e. unzipping process). I found what I took to be the GUI interface to IM, and fired it up. No errors. The zip file was indeed 43mb, which expanded out to 109mb. snip A LiveCode + IM exe/dll + Ghostscript exe/dll might still be smaller than... snip Bernard An earlier post mentioned that IM actually uses GS to do postscript and PDF conversions. That is why in my experience, just using the GS command-line features were simpler and required nothing more than LiveCode shell, and GS to convert a PDF to a multitude of LC compatible bitmap formats. So, is IM an unnecessary layer? I think so if indeed IM needs GS to do this. ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Turn off all Radio Buttons
On 10/2/11 11:25 AM, AcidJazz wrote: Is there a single line of code that will turn off all radio buttons in a group? set the hilitedbutton of grp groupName to 0 -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Turn off all Radio Buttons
Hi Mark, Am 02.10.2011 um 18:25 schrieb AcidJazz: Is there a single line of code that will turn off all radio buttons in a group? Yes :-) Ah, the line: ... set the hilitedbutton of grp X to 0 ... - Mark P. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Roger Eller wrote: On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: I just downloaded one of the binaries from the IM download site (the zip file that is meant to require no installation/windows registry atlerations). No compilation was involved. No error messages were thrown up in the installation (i.e. unzipping process). I found what I took to be the GUI interface to IM, and fired it up. No errors. The zip file was indeed 43mb, which expanded out to 109mb. snip A LiveCode + IM exe/dll + Ghostscript exe/dll might still be smaller than... snip Bernard An earlier post mentioned that IM actually uses GS to do postscript and PDF conversions. That is why in my experience, just using the GS command-line features were simpler and required nothing more than LiveCode shell, and GS to convert a PDF to a multitude of LC compatible bitmap formats. So, is IM an unnecessary layer? I think so if indeed IM needs GS to do this. ˜Roger I found these short instructions, which you can also shell from LC to perform a 'silent install' of GhostScript, thus reducing confusion and frustration of the end user. http://theether.net/kb/100096 ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
could this Passive-agressive BS stop, now PLEASE?. On 2 October 2011 04:40, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.comwrote: Chipp, Sorry but I don't have the time to read very long e-mails, yet I try to help where I can. Richard's explanation was mere speculation, even though a nice one. Graham mentions C++ packages, which seem to be necessary for compiling. If Graham wants to find a solution, he'll have to study more and make some compromises, e.g. make GhostScript a requirement for his software. Anyway, since you know everything much better, I propose you help Graham to solve this problem. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Setting visible of control within group to false
Is this supposed to happen? When I set the visible of a control within a group to false, it is removed from the group. As a work-around I find that if I include a rectangle that physically encompasses everything in the group and THEN set the visible of a control within the rectangle to false, it remains in the group. Jim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
Roger, Interesting. I wonder if one can use Ghostscript by itself to read a PDF? Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Roger Eller wrote: On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: I just downloaded one of the binaries from the IM download site (the zip file that is meant to require no installation/windows registry atlerations). No compilation was involved. No error messages were thrown up in the installation (i.e. unzipping process). I found what I took to be the GUI interface to IM, and fired it up. No errors. The zip file was indeed 43mb, which expanded out to 109mb. snip A LiveCode + IM exe/dll + Ghostscript exe/dll might still be smaller than... snip Bernard An earlier post mentioned that IM actually uses GS to do postscript and PDF conversions. That is why in my experience, just using the GS command-line features were simpler and required nothing more than LiveCode shell, and GS to convert a PDF to a multitude of LC compatible bitmap formats. So, is IM an unnecessary layer? I think so if indeed IM needs GS to do this. ˜Roger I found these short instructions, which you can also shell from LC to perform a 'silent install' of GhostScript, thus reducing confusion and frustration of the end user. http://theether.net/kb/100096 ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
Good sleuthing Bernard! Most valuable. I suspect if this can be tested, it would be super easy to suck up this exe into an app and then spit it out on first run. (see Chipp's Tips below) http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number6/default.htm Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On Oct 2, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: I just downloaded one of the binaries from the IM download site (the zip file that is meant to require no installation/windows registry atlerations). No compilation was involved. No error messages were thrown up in the installation (i.e. unzipping process). I found what I took to be the GUI interface to IM, and fired it up. No errors. The zip file was indeed 43mb, which expanded out to 109mb. I looked at the files included in the zip archive, and saw one called convert.exe. I could not imagine that Mark intends for customers to go through a full end user GUI install. So, as a test, I copied convert.exe into a temp directory and ran it from a command prompt. It complained about needing a dll, so I copied that over. Then it ran without complaining, and explained what the command line options were. That is the kind of environment in which one would use shell to get an external program to do some work. The combined size of exe + dll combination was about 7mb. Considering that the Skype client weighs in at 23mb, Chrome is 44mb, and iWorks is a 474mb download, I think we really need to move beyond a fixation on the size of an application being downloaded. I don't use Skype more than once a month. I downloaded half a gigabyte from Apple just have a look at Keynote. Clearly having a large initial download does not stop most businesses from thriving (or Apple would have ditched iWorks long ago). I imagine Graham's clients would be happy to download an application that was 20mb bigger if it could do what they want it to do. A LiveCode + IM exe/dll + Ghostscript exe/dll might still be smaller than the Skype client. My home DSL line has a (soft) limit of 20gb a month - many of the customers exceed that considerably and on a regular basis. We are not in the days of dialup modems. Almost the whole of the web is predicated on people being prepared to download massive files (a friend of mine was recently reduced to using a dialup modem for a week, and she couldn't even moderate the comments on her blog that way). My experiment was on a Vista Home laptop. It didn't strike me as a particularly difficult nor onerous task to do this test. And I have no interest in nor experience with ImageMagick. I surmised this is the kind of scenario that Mark was working with. Bernard On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: FYI, the ImageMagick DL is over 43 Mb, and the GhostScript install is another 12 each for 64-bit and 32-bit. Plus there's the necessity of detecting which Windows OS you're on vs which to install. Creating an installer which can correctly install all of this is not trivial, and it will create a final installation substantially larger in filesize than the LC application-- and difficult for many to download. And then there's this bit of information regarding AFTER installing the compiled binary: If you have any problems, install the Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) or Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x64). 64-bit Windows requires both packages (x86 x64). ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Roger, Interesting. I wonder if one can use Ghostscript by itself to read a PDF? Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc Yes. I posted into the other thread about this topic (a cry for help), exactly how it can be done. I included a function I used in my own application a few years ago. ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Setting visible of control within group to false
Jim: Are you sure the control gets physically placed outside the group? Are you using any scripts to manipulate object layers? Doing a quick test here with a single object in a group, I don't see your result (v4.6.4). The rect of a group does indeed collapse to encompass only its visible contents, but the hidden object/s should continue to remain part of the group. If you're seeing something else, it would be good know what the circumstances are. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, James Hurley wrote: Is this supposed to happen? When I set the visible of a control within a group to false, it is removed from the group. As a work-around I find that if I include a rectangle that physically encompasses everything in the group and THEN set the visible of a control within the rectangle to false, it remains in the group. Jim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
How do I detect simultaneous touch of 2 objects for iOS?
I have two object. Under some circumstances it is fine for only one of them to be tapped but other times it is appropriate for both of them to be tapped at the same time. I don't want to drag them anywhere just touch them. How do I detect both touches? Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Setting visible of control within group to false
Scott, Thanks for your reply. My mistake. It is not removed from the group. What happens is that the dimensions of the group change when an outside control is made invisible. My script did something line this: --With the outside button invisible set the visible of button myButton to true -- this is an outside button put the loc of group myGroup into tGroupLoc --do some stuff set the visible of button myButton to false --This is an outside button set the loc of group myGroup to tGroupLoc -- And this is a NEW location due to the shrinkage of the group size. This is remedied by including everything within a rectangle (of zero line size). This way the dimensions of the group remain intact. Another alternative, I see, would be to set the visible to false AFTER reseting the group location--reverse the order of the last two steps. This expands the group size to include the now visible button. Jim Jim: Are you sure the control gets physically placed outside the group? Are you using any scripts to manipulate object layers? Doing a quick test here with a single object in a group, I don't see your result (v4.6.4). The rect of a group does indeed collapse to encompass only its visible contents, but the hidden object/s should continue to remain part of the group. If you're seeing something else, it would be good know what the circumstances are. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, James Hurley wrote: Is this supposed to happen? When I set the visible of a control within a group to false, it is removed from the group. As a work-around I find that if I include a rectangle that physically encompasses everything in the group and THEN set the visible of a control within the rectangle to false, it remains in the group. Jim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
HI Roger, Yes, I should have said, I *ALSO* wonder if one can use Ghostscript by itself to read a PDF? I did read your email. If I get some time later, I might try and play around with this. On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.comwrote: On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Roger, Interesting. I wonder if one can use Ghostscript by itself to read a PDF? Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc Yes. I posted into the other thread about this topic (a cry for help), exactly how it can be done. I included a function I used in my own application a few years ago. ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
Hi Mark, I understand your point about long emails. FWIW, I try and not offer advice on emails which I can't take time to fully read and understand. Actually, I use a number of already compiled commercial apps which also have to install MS's C++ libraries along with the application. This seems to be standard practice for many installs. I will try and see what I can do to help out Graham per your suggestion. On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Chipp, Sorry but I don't have the time to read very long e-mails, yet I try to help where I can. Richard's explanation was mere speculation, even though a nice one. Graham mentions C++ packages, which seem to be necessary for compiling. If Graham wants to find a solution, he'll have to study more and make some compromises, e.g. make GhostScript a requirement for his software. Anyway, since you know everything much better, I propose you help Graham to solve this problem. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 See what you get with only a small contribution. All our LiveCode downloads are listed at http://qery.us/zr On 2 okt 2011, at 04:51, Chipp Walters wrote: Mark, If you actually took the time and checked it out, you would know what Graham is talking about IS ALREADY COMPILED. I know you think you are being helpful, but your two sentence responses to everyone's problems aren't always the best. For instance, a couple weeks ago when your curt replies diminished a student on these lists who only wanted to understand how LC compiles scripts (thanks Richard for an excellent explanation!) FYI, the ImageMagick DL is over 43 Mb, and the GhostScript install is another 12 each for 64-bit and 32-bit. Plus there's the necessity of detecting which Windows OS you're on vs which to install. Creating an installer which can correctly install all of this is not trivial, and it will create a final installation substantially larger in filesize than the LC application-- and difficult for many to download. And then there's this bit of information regarding AFTER installing the compiled binary: If you have any problems, install the Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) or Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x64). 64-bit Windows requires both packages (x86 x64). If I had to ship this functionality in a commercial app, I would commission an external. Frankly, I don't know of a single commercial app on Windows which forces the install of ImageMagick-- for these very reasons. It's difficult for experienced users, almost certainly not trivial for newbies. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Hi Graham, Try downloading a binary instead of compiling it yourself. Schools should not behave like they're the European Central Bank but should just install the software teachers and pupils need. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
Hi All Don't use shell on windows if you don't administer the computer your using it on. It is standard practice for system admins (particularly in an education setting) to block the cmd prompt. That locks up your app! So use the open process commands instead. See: http://goulding.ws/2010/10/15/command-prompt-blocking-policies-and-the-shell-function/ Cheers Monte On 01/10/2011, at 7:50 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Peter, Do you actually realise that there was a time when shell was all we had? It is in no way different from the DOS or Unix command prompt from so long ago. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 See what you get with only a small contribution. All our LiveCode downloads are listed at http://qery.us/zr On 30 sep 2011, at 23:45, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote: I've always been afraid of going to shell... ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
Thanks for your understanding, Chipp. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 See what you get with only a small contribution. All our LiveCode downloads are listed at http://qery.us/zr On 2 okt 2011, at 22:35, Chipp Walters wrote: Hi Mark, I understand your point about long emails. FWIW, I try and not offer advice on emails which I can't take time to fully read and understand. Actually, I use a number of already compiled commercial apps which also have to install MS's C++ libraries along with the application. This seems to be standard practice for many installs. I will try and see what I can do to help out Graham per your suggestion. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Turn off all Radio Buttons
Thank you both! I was trying:set the hilite of the hilitedbutton of me to false Needless to say, that was not working -- for multiple reasons! Mark P. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Turn-off-all-Radio-Buttons-tp3865377p3866080.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Setting visible of control within group to false
On 10/2/11 3:24 PM, James Hurley wrote: Scott, Thanks for your reply. My mistake. It is not removed from the group. What happens is that the dimensions of the group change when an outside control is made invisible. That's the default behavior, where a group resizes to accomodate its objects. You can set the group's boundingrect property to prevent the resizing. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF documents
Graham, You should check out: http://svn.ghostscript.com/ghostscript/tags/ghostscript-9.02/doc/Devices.htm There it documents how you can use Ghostscript to output PNG,JPG,TIF,BMP and other formats. HTH. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Setting visible of control within group to false
Jim: Me neither. I made three buttons (B1, B2, B3) and grouped them into group grp1. This in another button script: on mouseup set the visible of btn b2 to false answer the owner of btn b2 end mouseUp I get group grp1. LC 4.5.3. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com To: LiveCode Mail List use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:53 am Subject: Re: Setting visible of control within group to false Jim: Are you sure the control gets physically placed outside the group? Are you using any scripts to manipulate object layers? Doing a quick test here with a single object in a group, I don't see your result (v4.6.4). The rect of a group does indeed collapse to encompass only its visible contents, but the hidden object/s should continue to remain part of the group. If you're seeing something else, it would be good know what the circumstances are. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, James Hurley wrote: Is this supposed to happen? When I set the visible of a control within a group to false, it is removed from the group. As a work-around I find that if I include a rectangle that physically encompasses everything in the group and THEN set the visible of a control within the rectangle to false, it remains in the group. Jim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Setting visible of control within group to false
On Oct 2, 2011, at 7:25 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/2/11 3:24 PM, James Hurley wrote: Scott, Thanks for your reply. My mistake. It is not removed from the group. What happens is that the dimensions of the group change when an outside control is made invisible. That's the default behavior, where a group resizes to accomodate its objects. You can set the group's boundingrect property to prevent the resizing. I think you can also set the lockLocation of the group to true to prevent it's resizing as well. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Is there a doubeTouch message?
There is a doubleMouseUp message. Is there an equivalent for double taps on iOS? Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Is there a doubeTouch message?
Bill, I've used mouseDoubleUp in iOS. be well, randy hengst - On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: There is a doubleMouseUp message. Is there an equivalent for double taps on iOS? Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Is there a doubeTouch message?
Randy, I didn't realize that mouseUp and mouseDoubleUp worked on mobile too. I thought I had to use touch type messages. Thanks, Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Oct 2, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: Bill, I've used mouseDoubleUp in iOS. be well, randy hengst - On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: There is a doubleMouseUp message. Is there an equivalent for double taps on iOS? Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
