Re: Is this possible on iOS?
Yes. Gerry On 10/04/2012, at 3:47 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: But is it possible to save out a stack from the app locally, allowing it to be saved periodically and loaded locally at startup? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Is this possible on iOS?
Try something like this (untested): if the environment contains mobile then put (specialFolderPath(engine) /yourStackInEngine.livecode) into EngineStack put url (binfile: EngineStack) into EngineStackPath put EngineStackPath into url (binfile: (specialFolderPath(Documents) /yourStackOnDevice.livecode)) go stack specialFolderPath(Documents) /yourStackOnDevice.livecode end if Gerry On 10/04/2012, at 5:12 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote: Yes. Gerry On 10/04/2012, at 3:47 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: But is it possible to save out a stack from the app locally, allowing it to be saved periodically and loaded locally at startup? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Re: Looks like runrev.com is down
yeah just noticed myself. Its toast at the moment. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.comwrote: http://www.isup.me/runrev.com ~Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Unicode Problem
Hi, Kojima! Your script is perfect! Thank you for your help! _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ Takashi Yoshino http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/ Tel: +81-73-457-8441 On 2012/04/09, at 21:58, Kenji Kojima wrote: Hi Takashi-san, 2. set the unicode text Here is my script. on mouseUp put A1.txt into theFileName put AbsolutePathFromStack(theFileName) into theFullPath open file theFullPath read from file theFullPath until EOF set the unicodeText of fld A1 to it close file theFullPath end mouseUp I want read some Japanese from a file. If your Japanese text file is UTF 8 on mouseUp answer file put url (file: it) into tUrl set the unicodeText of field 1 to uniencode(tUrl, utf8) end mouseUp best, -- Kenji Kojima / 小島健治 http://www.kenjikojima.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: iOS Control Instantiation problem
I agree fully with you Graham. Its what has been holding me back for doing work with ios. I admire and thank those who can wrestle with the docs and ins/outs of Apple stuff dealing with ios. Here is an idea, provide free (many year agreement) copies of LC mobile to a school/classroom that develops lots of example stacks/docs to help others master developing on mobile lc. It would be a win-win for all. On Apr 10, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Graham Samuel livf...@mac.com wrote: Thanks Chris, very helpful. I have not yet found out how to filter the Console output so that I only see my own 'put' lines, but give me time... IMNSHO the mother ship makes working with iOS unnecessarily difficult by not explaining things like this more clearly. There are a lot of not fully explained things in the iOS release notes - to take a small instance, I had to experiment to work out that iphoneControlGet is a function, not a substitute for the 'get' command. It's a tiny point, but it makes getting familiar with a new environment just that bit more difficult. A much worse one is the description of the use of the scroller control, where they virtually give up explaining it in words and hand you over to an example. This is tough, because the concept is a very unfamiliar one - that the scroller is not a container but a kind of mask or overlay through which you see and control an underlying LC control. I am still struggling with this, especially as it apparently involves the 'unboundedScroll' concept, which itself is very badly explained in the docs, and indeed includes another undocumented concept, the 'clamping' of a scroll. This concept applies to a group, but not to a scrolling list, which is a mystery in itself. By copying the example as closely as possible, I have got something to work, which is not the same as saying I understand it fully. Really none of the three available documents (Release Notes, User Guide, Dictionary) are much use here. Thank goodness for this list and the generosity of people on it. Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: iOS Control Instantiation problem
Graham Samuellivf...@mac.com wrote: I have not yet found out how to filter the Console output so that I only see my own 'put' lines, but give me time... Put the name of your app in the filter field. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script editor instability
Hi Craig, I use LC 5.0.2 and earlier and have problem with the script editor whenever an error occurs in e.g. a resizeStack handler. When this happens, I usually activate a different application and click in the red close button while LiveCode is in the background. This closes the script window and allows me to continue working. This seems very similar to your observations. I am sure that the cause is a scripting error somewhere in the script editor. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 10 apr 2012, at 04:37, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab, as if I clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the script editor window only results in resizing that window.I think it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real resize tab would. I cannot reproduce it, but it happens at least two or three times in a session. I can dismiss the window with cmd-W, but this sometimes crashes LC. Anyone else see this? I have to save often to prevent real data loss. Never heard of this before the upgrade. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Pete, This is a line from my Compression Tool software. It zips without the .DS_Store files. Item -1 of fld File is the name of a file or folder in the current defaultFolder. put zip -r quote myZipFile quote quote item -1 of fld File quote -x .* *.DS_Store *Icon* into myShell Installer Maker compresses all embedded files with the compress() function. Compressing the resulting installer again hardly saves any space. The compress() function is very efficient. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 10 apr 2012, at 17:25, Pete wrote: Thanks guys. I was hoping for a way to automate this and a few other steps involved in getting my app ready for release by using the standaloneSaved message, that's why I was using the revZIPxxx commands. I was also hoping that they would get around the problem I came across with the built in Mac compress function when the archive is unzipped on a Windows machine - some unnecessary files are included in the archive - .dstore if I remember correctly. I found a program named CleanArchiver that gets around that problem but, once again, makes it difficult to automate things using an external program. I'll give tar a try. Pete ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Another iOS native control instantiation question
Just to add to my message below, I have an interesting (at least to me!) real-life example. In my iOS app, I have a card with a scrolling list on it (an instantiated native control) and an action when a user touches one of the lines in the scrolled list which includes cloning some template cards in the stack and then returning to the original card. At this point in the app, the user only sees the original card because the cloning is hidden by a 'lock screen'. I found that this meant that the preOpenCard message for the card was being invoked every time I did a set of clones and then returned to the original card - this is correct behaviour from the engine's point of view. I was able to use a switch (a custom property) checked in the preOpenCard handler to prevent the destruction and recreation of the scroller on this card during the cloning sequence. It works, which seems to show that you don't **have to** destroy native controls when you leave a card, and they will be waiting for you when you come back. This makes me even more confused about the necessity to destroy native controls. Graham I wrote: Can someone confirm that if one moves from card to card in an iOS app, any native controls (such as text input) need to be instantiated as the card is opened, and destroyed when another card is shown? This is very unlike the behaviour of LC on other platforms, where a field remains a field whether it's shown or not, that I feel I may have missed a trick here. Suppose for example one of my cards is dedicated to input of several small and essentially unrelated data items, with a lot of little one-line fields which the user has to fill in. When the user decides to invoke this feature of the app, the 'input' card appears. At this point, if it's as described (a lot of little essentially identical fields), then presumably I just have to create one single-line input control which will appear each time one of my fields get the focus, and script the handling of each input text accordingly: and when the user steers away from this card I should destroy the control. Is this right, and what would happen if I didn't do the destroy? I ask here because I'm getting overwhelmed by the need to experiment for almost every aspect of the behaviour of my iOS device and I'm frankly keen to learn from others' experience. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Thanks Mark, I'll take a look. Pete On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Pete, This is a line from my Compression Tool software. It zips without the .DS_Store files. Item -1 of fld File is the name of a file or folder in the current defaultFolder. put zip -r quote myZipFile quote quote item -1 of fld File quote -x .* *.DS_Store *Icon* into myShell Installer Maker compresses all embedded files with the compress() function. Compressing the resulting installer again hardly saves any space. The compress() function is very efficient. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 10 apr 2012, at 17:25, Pete wrote: Thanks guys. I was hoping for a way to automate this and a few other steps involved in getting my app ready for release by using the standaloneSaved message, that's why I was using the revZIPxxx commands. I was also hoping that they would get around the problem I came across with the built in Mac compress function when the archive is unzipped on a Windows machine - some unnecessary files are included in the archive - .dstore if I remember correctly. I found a program named CleanArchiver that gets around that problem but, once again, makes it difficult to automate things using an external program. I'll give tar a try. Pete ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
Sometimes one sees apps (on different platforms) where the user is invited to type something into a field, and the field is pre-filled with a text which disappears the moment the user starts typing - the initial text says stuff like 'type your name here'. This type of text is not preselected (apparently) - so it must be a special type of text, but I don't know how to make it appear. Specifically, in LC's iOS implementation, the 'ask' dialog scripting looks like this: ask [ question | password ] prompt [ with initialAnswer ] [ titled title ] so the question resolves to: how do I make the initialAnswer text a 'ghost' text such as I have described, or is it impossible? Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
Hi Graham, You can't do exactly what you want with the ask dialog, but the default text is select disappears as soon as the user starts typing. In msot cases, that should do the job. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 10 apr 2012, at 19:02, Graham Samuel wrote: Sometimes one sees apps (on different platforms) where the user is invited to type something into a field, and the field is pre-filled with a text which disappears the moment the user starts typing - the initial text says stuff like 'type your name here'. This type of text is not preselected (apparently) - so it must be a special type of text, but I don't know how to make it appear. Specifically, in LC's iOS implementation, the 'ask' dialog scripting looks like this: ask [ question | password ] prompt [ with initialAnswer ] [ titled title ] so the question resolves to: how do I make the initialAnswer text a 'ghost' text such as I have described, or is it impossible? Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script editor instability
Mark. But have you seen the actual behavior I explained? That dragging in the titleBar to try to move the window instead changes the width of that window? I will keep in mind what you said. I have tried this, I think, or at least must have in the scramble to try to restore order. I certainly went back to the finder. Sometimes I can, sometimes I have to force quit. It is one of the few times I get an unexpected quit message with its concomitant messages and offers to relaunch and send error reports -Original Message- From: Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:33 am Subject: Re: Script editor instability Hi Craig, I use LC 5.0.2 and earlier and have problem with the script editor whenever an error occurs in e.g. a resizeStack handler. When this happens, I usually activate a different application and click in the red close button while LiveCode is in the background. This closes the script window and allows me to continue working. This seems very similar to your observations. I am sure that the cause is a scripting error somewhere in the script editor. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 10 apr 2012, at 04:37, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab, as if I clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the script editor window only results in resizing that window.I think it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real resize tab would. I cannot reproduce it, but it happens at least two or three times in a session. I can dismiss the window with cmd-W, but this sometimes crashes LC. Anyone else see this? I have to save often to prevent real data loss. Never heard of this before the upgrade. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: play sound from url on iOS
Hi Klaus, yes, I use the player this way: iphoneControlCreate player, ioscontrol iphoneControlSet ioscontrol, filename, http://www.yoursitecom/audiofolder/audiofile.mp3; iphoneControlSet ioscontrol, preserveAspect, true iphoneControlSet ioscontrol, showController, true iphoneControlSet ioscontrol, visible, true iphoneControlSet ioscontrol, rect, 0,106,320,106 iphoneControlDo ioscontrol, play Hope this helps, Giulio Subject: Re: play sound from url on iOS Hi all, Am 09.04.2012 um 15:35 schrieb Klaus on-rev: Hi friends, short question, is it possible to play a sound file from an URL in iOS? If yes, what do I need to use: play ... or iphonePlaySoundOnChannel...? The docs do not mention URL, only in the Video playback section. Thanks a lot in advance! noone done this before? :-) I don't have an iOS license nor an iDevice to check this in the moment! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
iOS: using data grid on a retina display
Is anyone using a data grid in an app that supports multiple resolutions? In particular, both iPad screens? I'm having a problem getting the data grid resized correctly to display on the iPad retina display. Is there a trick to it? Perhaps some property that can be set on the data grid that resizes everything at once? I have code that I'm running when my app starts up that resizes all my controls, and it works great, except with the data grid. Not quite sure how to handle that one. The grid is resizing correctly width-wise I believe, but not height-wise. I've customized my row template to display the data the way I want, and it looks great on the non-retina display. Do I need to resize the controls in my row template stack? I'm not currently doing that. Maybe that's my problem... Anyone? Thanks, Chris ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: play sound from url on iOS
Buonasera Giulio, Am 10.04.2012 um 19:25 schrieb Giulio Mastrosanti: Hi Klaus, yes, I use the player this way: iphoneControlCreate player, ioscontrol iphoneControlSet ioscontrol, filename, http://www.yoursitecom/audiofolder/audiofile.mp3; iphoneControlSet ioscontrol, preserveAspect, true iphoneControlSet ioscontrol, showController, true iphoneControlSet ioscontrol, visible, true iphoneControlSet ioscontrol, rect, 0,106,320,106 iphoneControlDo ioscontrol, play Hope this helps, Ma certo! Tante grazie! :-) Giulio Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script editor instability
Mark Talluto userev@... writes: We are having a number of issues with stability in 5.5. The problem is that the script editor issues you are seeing are very sporadic. I think the majority of issues arise if you save with a command S often like I do. I find that the IDE becomes locked down for a period of time before it returns. Everything you do to it gets queued up and runs through very fast once the IDE returns. Once we have a better recipe, I will bugzilla it. For now, I to am looking for others that may be seeing this problem. For the moment, our studio is moving all desktop work back to 5.02 and leaving 5.5 for mobile work only. I had to hack around this in the glx2 environment - the problem seems to be that something changed with respect to menubars. In glx2 I now grab the command- or control-c,v,x keys and process them myself instead of letting the IDE take care of things. The IDE's lockup period is very annoying - there seems to be a delay between mouseDown and mouseUp events, so that a command-S will insert an s into the text unless the key combo is held down long enough. Doesn't affect Windows, but does on OSX and linux. I've also found that compiling a script in the IDE's script editor changes the focus away from the script editor window, so that following a compile with a command-S doesn't save the stack, I have to click in the script field first. -- Mark Wieder ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script editor instability
On 4/10/12 12:26 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab, as if I clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the script editor window only results in resizing that window.I think it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real resize tab would. We are having a number of issues with stability in 5.5. The problem is that the script editor issues you are seeing are very sporadic. I think the majority of issues arise if you save with a command S often like I do. I find that the IDE becomes locked down for a period of time before it returns. Everything you do to it gets queued up and runs through very fast once the IDE returns. Once we have a better recipe, I will bugzilla it. For now, I to am looking for others that may be seeing this problem. For the moment, our studio is moving all desktop work back to 5.02 and leaving 5.5 for mobile work only. I've seen some issues too, but like you I can't pinpoint them. I've had more lockups recently than ever before. There's a decided delay before menus drop down too, and menu key shortcuts don't always work reliably any more, as Mark mentioned. I rarely Cmd-S from within the script editor, I usually save after bringing the stack to the front. But the lockups I've had are almost always in the editor, usually while stepping through code in debug mode. I've wondered if the problems are related to the rewrite of the field object. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
[ANN] SQLiteAdmin
I'm happy to announce the release of my first commercial Livecode application, SQLiteAdmin, a db admin tool for SQLite databases. A 30-day trial version of SQLiteAdmin is available at www.lcsql.com/products.html In recognition of the amazing amount of knowledge imparted to me by subscribers to this list, I am making SQLiteAdmin available for $4.99, a $20 discount, to any list member until midnight on Friday April 13th. Please email me off list at p...@lcsql.com if you would like to take advantage of this deal, and I will send you a link to buy it at that price. SQLiteAdmin has been tested on OS X and Windows. I do not have access to Linux (yet!) but would be happy to compile a Linux standalone for anyone who would be willing to try it and give me feedback on what changes might be needed to make it a viable Linux product. OK, now on to the sales pitch. SQLiteAdmin is a full-featured administration tool for SQLite databases that removes all of the restrictions and omissions inherent in the standard SQLite Data Definition Language. You can safely add, modify, or delete any of the properties of a table or column including name, data type, data length, primary key, foreign key, check, unique, not null, and default constraints, all while maintaining the integrity of your data. SQLiteAdmin extends the DDL even further with convenience features that provide you with the ability to add multiple columns that share the same properties with a single click, and optional automatic index creation for foreign key fields. SQLiteAdmin provides complete data export and import capability in a number of formats including csv, delimited text files with your choice of delimiter, and SQL INSERT statements. You can export all or selected rows of a table. You can also export the CREATE statements necessary to build your database, with or without the INSERT statements to populate it. With SQLiteAdmin's Utilities view, you will be able to audit your database, get recommendations for better performance, and modify any of your database's PRAGMA settings. SQLiteAdmin's Browse view gives you access to the SQLite Data Manipulation Language. You can display data from any table with filtering capability on any columns in the table, select the columns you want to view and display them in your preferred sequence, all by filling in the blanks instead of writing any SQL statements. The Browse Tool also provides complete insert, duplicate, update and delete capabilities, including modification or deletion of multiple rows in one operation. And you can save your filter definitions, column selections, and sort sequence for later use. If you need to write your own SQL statements, you can enter any SQLite command in SQLiteAdmin's SQL tool and execute it. SQL commands can be saved and recalled for later use. SQliteAdmin includes full support for in memory databases and also provides the ability to save an in memory database as a permanent disk file. A 30-day demo version of SQLiteAdmin is available at http://www.lcsql.com/products.html. Some functionality is disabled in the demo version. -- Peter Haworth lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Kee, This doesn't get rid of the .DS_Store files. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 10 apr 2012, at 04:29, Kee Nethery wrote: Or just use the Mac Archive or Compress menu item in the Finder. It works great. Kee ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Hi, Tar is a bad idea because it glues files together and doesn't compress. Tar was invented to allow gzip to compress multiple files. It is easier and faster to use the zip command line tool rather than to use both tar and gzip. Many unix geeks still prefer tar+gzip but I'm not sure why. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 10 apr 2012, at 05:48, stephen barncard wrote: tar (from the shell) works even better. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi, Tar is a bad idea because it glues files together and doesn't compress. Tar was invented to allow gzip to compress multiple files. It is easier and faster to use the zip command line tool rather than to use both tar and gzip. Many unix geeks still prefer tar+gzip but I'm not sure why. Wha??? tar (Tape ARchiver) has been around since before we even considered compression schemes. It wasn't until the Linux / FreeBSD movement that compression options were added. On most systems still using ATT tar sources, you have to compress an archive after tar creates it and decompress an archive before tar can extract its contents. We prefer tar and a compressor because it allows up to properly bundle up bits of code, regardless of the file types, and share them with others while reduing the overall footprint required on disk and for transfer. The tar app is available in one form or another on every platform out there, so you can pretty much always open another's tarball. In fact, I believe Dennis' original PDP MULTIX 9-track install tapes used a precursor to the modern tar format. Tim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Browse tool. I give up.
Hi Craig, My explanation won't help much, but maybe you like to know the reasons why it doesn't work as expected. I HyperCard there is an IDE layer and a stack layer. Except for the stacks themselves, the IDE is written in Pascal (later C) and handle everything. The scripts in the Home stack don't get in the way. When you open a stack, HyperCard chooses the browse tool and if you want to change tools in your openStack script then you can just do that. MetaCard was written like that too. The engine took care of everything and the IDE was minimalistic and didn't get in the way. You could change the tool in your openStack script if you wanted to. MetaCard opened with the browse tool as the active tool and you could change that to the pointer tool in a plugin for instance. The Revolution (LiveCode) IDE is a different beast. It comes on top of everything, including the engine and the remnants of the original MetaCard IDE. In the past, after the engine set the tool, the Revolution IDE took over and set the tool again --maybe even 2 or 3 times. I believe there are a few bugs in the Revolution IDE that prevent it from setting the tool correctly. There were some issues with this in the past. It seems that RunRev has applied a hack to make sure that the tool is alwaus the browse tool (and not a watch cursor as it used to be for many years). After all scripts have run, including your own openStack scripts, the IDE chooses the pointer tool one more time, just to be sure. You could move back to the MetaCard IDE. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 10 apr 2012, at 15:37, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Thanks all. I figured this out too, though the explanation was most helpful. When I say figured it out, I meant I tried sending the command in time, well, just because. In HC, the loading must be different, since one can choose, say, the field tool with a one-liner like I tried to do. There are millions of legacy habits that I have, coming from a HC background, that I need to reThink. Thanks again for the help. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Hi Tim, Yes, you're right, tar is older. Nonetheless, can you think of any other reason why one would want to use tar, except for glueing files together in preparation of compression? I'm not sure what you mean by property bundle up bits of code. I don't think that tar is available on Windows by default, but that's another story. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 11 apr 2012, at 01:14, Tim Jones wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi, Tar is a bad idea because it glues files together and doesn't compress. Tar was invented to allow gzip to compress multiple files. It is easier and faster to use the zip command line tool rather than to use both tar and gzip. Many unix geeks still prefer tar+gzip but I'm not sure why. Wha??? tar (Tape ARchiver) has been around since before we even considered compression schemes. It wasn't until the Linux / FreeBSD movement that compression options were added. On most systems still using ATT tar sources, you have to compress an archive after tar creates it and decompress an archive before tar can extract its contents. We prefer tar and a compressor because it allows up to properly bundle up bits of code, regardless of the file types, and share them with others while reduing the overall footprint required on disk and for transfer. The tar app is available in one form or another on every platform out there, so you can pretty much always open another's tarball. In fact, I believe Dennis' original PDP MULTIX 9-track install tapes used a precursor to the modern tar format. Tim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script editor instability
Interesting stuff from all. Am I to understand that events queued in the IDE are taking sizable fractions of minutes to process, or flush? And that if I wait a while normalcy returns? Minutes?? I will try this tonight. I usually cmd-S to save in either the script editor or in the stack, wherever I am when it seems prudent to do so Often, lately. But I never noticed an issue with focus from either place. I will watch for that as well. Craig -Original Message- From: J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 2:40 pm Subject: Re: Script editor instability On 4/10/12 12:26 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab, as if I clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the script editor window only results in resizing that window.I think it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real resize tab would. We are having a number of issues with stability in 5.5. The problem is that the script editor issues you are seeing are very sporadic. I think the majority of issues arise if you save with a command S often like I do. I find that the IDE becomes locked down for a period of time before it returns. Everything you do to it gets queued up and runs through very fast once the IDE returns. Once we have a better recipe, I will bugzilla it. For now, I to am looking for others that may be seeing this problem. For the moment, our studio is moving all desktop work back to 5.02 and leaving 5.5 for mobile work only. I've seen some issues too, but like you I can't pinpoint them. I've had more lockups recently than ever before. There's a decided delay before menus drop down too, and menu key shortcuts don't always work reliably any more, as Mark mentioned. I rarely Cmd-S from within the script editor, I usually save after bringing the stack to the front. But the lockups I've had are almost always in the editor, usually while stepping through code in debug mode. I've wondered if the problems are related to the rewrite of the field object. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Browse tool. I give up.
Mark. Good reading. Thanks. I think a preference ought to be available to set the startup tool. Most times, I would think, the browse tool is the one users (or even developers) want. But I do not mind a stable workaround, as long as I don't forget it. Craig -Original Message- From: Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 7:20 pm Subject: Re: Browse tool. I give up. Hi Craig, My explanation won't help much, but maybe you like to know the reasons why it doesn't work as expected. I HyperCard there is an IDE layer and a stack layer. Except for the stacks themselves, the IDE is written in Pascal (later C) and handle everything. The scripts in the Home stack don't get in the way. When you open a stack, HyperCard chooses the browse tool and if you want to change tools in your openStack script then you can just do that. MetaCard was written like that too. The engine took care of everything and the IDE was minimalistic and didn't get in the way. You could change the tool in your openStack script if you wanted to. MetaCard opened with the browse tool as the active tool and you could change that to the pointer tool in a plugin for instance. The Revolution (LiveCode) IDE is a different beast. It comes on top of everything, including the engine and the remnants of the original MetaCard IDE. In the past, after the engine set the tool, the Revolution IDE took over and set the tool again --maybe even 2 or 3 times. I believe there are a few bugs in the Revolution IDE that prevent it from setting the tool correctly. There were some issues with this in the past. It seems that RunRev has applied a hack to make sure that the tool is alwaus the browse tool (and not a watch cursor as it used to be for many years). After all scripts have run, including your own openStack scripts, the IDE chooses the pointer tool one more time, just to be sure. You could move back to the MetaCard IDE. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 10 apr 2012, at 15:37, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Thanks all. I figured this out too, though the explanation was most helpful. When I say figured it out, I meant I tried sending the command in time, well, just because. In HC, the loading must be different, since one can choose, say, the field tool with a one-liner like I tried to do. There are millions of legacy habits that I have, coming from a HC background, that I need to reThink. Thanks again for the help. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: how to do this type of search
On 10.04.2012 at 10:06 Uhr +0900 Nicolas Cueto apparently wrote: The 'lineOffset' function will be your friend here... If only it truly were that simple... In my example, lineOffset would return 3 for is. But 5 is what I'm after. -- Nicolas Cueto untested but something along this should work: function lineContainsExactMatch pWord,pText set the wholematches to true replace slash with tab in pText -- so we can search for was or were in was/were return the number of lines of (item 1 to itemOffset(pWord, pText) of pText) end lineContainsExactMatch Robert ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it or just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the program be ready to use. I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not be that straightforward with tar? Pete On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Hi Tim, Yes, you're right, tar is older. Nonetheless, can you think of any other reason why one would want to use tar, except for glueing files together in preparation of compression? I'm not sure what you mean by property bundle up bits of code. I don't think that tar is available on Windows by default, but that's another story. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 On 11 apr 2012, at 01:14, Tim Jones wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi, Tar is a bad idea because it glues files together and doesn't compress. Tar was invented to allow gzip to compress multiple files. It is easier and faster to use the zip command line tool rather than to use both tar and gzip. Many unix geeks still prefer tar+gzip but I'm not sure why. Wha??? tar (Tape ARchiver) has been around since before we even considered compression schemes. It wasn't until the Linux / FreeBSD movement that compression options were added. On most systems still using ATT tar sources, you have to compress an archive after tar creates it and decompress an archive before tar can extract its contents. We prefer tar and a compressor because it allows up to properly bundle up bits of code, regardless of the file types, and share them with others while reduing the overall footprint required on disk and for transfer. The tar app is available in one form or another on every platform out there, so you can pretty much always open another's tarball. In fact, I believe Dennis' original PDP MULTIX 9-track install tapes used a precursor to the modern tar format. Tim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Pete wrote: Hi Warren, It's the un-zipping at the other end that concerns me, not the zip on my machine. Sounds like the ability to handle tar files might require a Windows user to install some software. You might be surprised at just how many Windows users actually already have one of these installed. Far too many developers shortcut the installer process and go this route. That means that a lot of apps floating around in Windows space are already in tar, zip, rar, or other non-standard Windows file format. To access these, the Windows users have already had to install an appropriate tool. Don't be afraid of something just because you're not an expert. We've (app creators) been using these formats to deliver files and data to users for as long as I've been doing this (over 30 years at this point…). If you're not going to be using an installer, then a zip file or tarball are very valid and accepted formats for delivery. Tim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: play sound from url on iOS
Klaus, I have downloaded files and I have played downloaded sounds but I have not played downloading sounds while downloading i.e. streaming. I also can not get the play command with mediaPicker to play iCloud music, but these do play and stream in the apple music app just not in LC…… sorry I can't be more helpful on this one -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: Hi all, Am 09.04.2012 um 15:35 schrieb Klaus on-rev: Hi friends, short question, is it possible to play a sound file from an URL in iOS? If yes, what do I need to use: play ... or iphonePlaySoundOnChannel...? The docs do not mention URL, only in the Video playback section. Thanks a lot in advance! noone done this before? :-) I don't have an iOS license nor an iDevice to check this in the moment! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Pete, I wonder if your revZip issue comes from the fact that a .app file is really a folder in disguise. To pick an app via dialog on OS X, you must say answer file but then immediately you must treat the .app file you picked as a folder containing subfolders and files. Consider this button code: on mouseUp answer file Pick an app to zip if it = empty then exit to top set the defaultFolder to it put the defaultFolder cr the folders end mouseUp When you run this, the defaultFolder is now indeed the selected .app file and it contains a Contents folder which contains all the app parts. So you'll need to drill down into the .app folder and add each file to your zip file. Then when it's restored at installation time, you may have to turn on the .app folder's bundle bit, I'm not really sure. I think someone on the list told how to do this some time ago but I couldn't tell you who or how. There's probably a line command for it. Food for thought. Phil Davis On 4/9/12 5:19 PM, Pete wrote: Been putting together a litte script to get all my files ready for a release and used the revZIPxxx commands to make a zip file of the LC standalone program - this all on a Mac. The resulting zip file is only 4kb in size, obvioulsy not correct. The code is pretty straightfroward: revZipOpenArchive myZipFile,write *if* the result is not empty *then* *answer* the result *answer* file Zip file revZipAddItemWithFile myZipFile,myApp.app,it *if* the result is not empty *then* *answer* the result revZipCloseArchive myZipFile Zipping the same file with the built-in OS X compress function works fine and so does the CleanARchiver utitlity. ANy ideas? -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Hi Pete, Understood - what I saw in the thread was others offering up tar options that can easily be executed in a shell in much the same manner as the revZip stuff. But, as Phil mentions concerning folders with the revZip functions, tar will automatically pickup the folder structures and compress the resulting output as a single file. My responses were simply aimed at reassuring you that a tar file (gzipped or otherwise) was a valid and successful way to achieve what you were looking for and that recipients wouldn't have an issue receiving such a package. Tim On Apr 10, 2012, at 6:59 PM, Pete wrote: Hi Tim, The origin of this thread was me trying to automate the packaging of the app at my end by writing a script to handle the standaloneSaved message. It used the revZIPxxx commands which, unfortunately, don't seem to work very well, so other scripted solutions were offered, including tar and zip. I can definitely continue to create the compressed files manually in a format that will work just fine for Mac and WIndows (and hopefully Linux). I'm thinking about a proper installer but, other than moving the application to it's appropriate folder for the platform, there's nothing else to do so it just seems like overkill. Pete On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Tim Jones tolis...@me.com wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Pete wrote: Hi Warren, It's the un-zipping at the other end that concerns me, not the zip on my machine. Sounds like the ability to handle tar files might require a Windows user to install some software. You might be surprised at just how many Windows users actually already have one of these installed. Far too many developers shortcut the installer process and go this route. That means that a lot of apps floating around in Windows space are already in tar, zip, rar, or other non-standard Windows file format. To access these, the Windows users have already had to install an appropriate tool. Don't be afraid of something just because you're not an expert. We've (app creators) been using these formats to deliver files and data to users for as long as I've been doing this (over 30 years at this point…). If you're not going to be using an installer, then a zip file or tarball are very valid and accepted formats for delivery. Tim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
Achievable by rolling your own dialog and trapping keystrokes. If the field is empty, then set the text of the field to the advisory text. If the field is the advisory text and the selectedText is not empty, then set the text of the field to empty. Hugh Senior FLCo -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:02:09 +0200 From: Graham Samuel livf...@mac.com To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog? Message-ID: cddabb42-d169-489d-87bc-161563cf9...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sometimes one sees apps (on different platforms) where the user is invited to type something into a field, and the field is pre-filled with a text which disappears the moment the user starts typing - the initial text says stuff like 'type your name here'. This type of text is not preselected (apparently) - so it must be a special type of text, but I don't know how to make it appear. Specifically, in LC's iOS implementation, the 'ask' dialog scripting looks like this: ask [ question | password ] prompt [ with initialAnswer ] [ titled title ] so the question resolves to: how do I make the initialAnswer text a 'ghost' text such as I have described, or is it impossible? Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
