Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
Hi Roger, It’s simply no way to achieve 100% of cross platform ability as long as some features available, say, on the native Xcode’s iOS platform are not on the native Android SDK/NDK/JNI side and vice-versa ! Instead of complaining about this fact and, again, instead of limiting the cross platform ability of LiveCode to the less commun denominator of the different platforms LC covers, Edinburgh and external providers (Monte, …) extends it, each time it can be reliable and useful with special targeted features on one or an other platform and, gracefully, it’s, IMHO, the most we can get for staying as productive as possible from all of these beloved LC cookers ;D Best, Pierre -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com Le 10 août 2015 à 16:26, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com a écrit : Although LC calls itself cross-platform, I despise the fact that commands in the dictionary, particularly for mobile, have quirks that make it a little different for Android than iOS. If it wants to call itself cross-platform, a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across all supported platforms. I would also be more likely to invest more into externals if they didn't focus on a single preferred OS rather than looking at the market potential for LC devs to build x-plat apps. LC tools should all be required to be x-plat - period. /just one opinion. ~Roger On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: Back in The Days Of The Language Wars, it was important, but now, with so many specialty languages for so many reasons, it becomes much less of an issue. The PL bigots have been upended by uncompiled web languages. Whether it's this or Xojo or something else, LC still has a lead for building cross-platform apps. Hopefully 8 will extend that lead and exploit it, more, because, really, web portals aren't the same. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
I have to say this, because I believe ti to be true. LiveCode developers are part of the problem. I think the majority of you have iOS devices because it is what you LIKE, not because it represents what the majority or even half of the population HAVE. Inexpensive Android devices are getting better and better specs all the time, and lots of people buy them. THEY should be our focus, not just our favorites. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: +1 Roger, +1 Pierre. On the first one, Roger, I completely agree, MORE SEAMLESS cross-platform, more attention to Android (and Win 10, etc.) is important, even if it's only because it says to the rest of the world Cross-platform for realises. I also agree with Pierre on where the investment goes. We're doing most of our work, right now, on iOS, so that's mostly what I'm paying folks to extend. I would bet that Monte is responding to demand, because if I said Hey, Monte, I want blah, blah, blah for Android, I would get it. Right now it's Hey, I want blah, blah, blah for iOS, so, harp strum/, I get blah, blah, blah for iOS. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Pierre Sahores s...@sahores-conseil.com wrote: Hi Roger, It’s simply no way to achieve 100% of cross platform ability as long as some features available, say, on the native Xcode’s iOS platform are not on the native Android SDK/NDK/JNI side and vice-versa ! Instead of complaining about this fact and, again, instead of limiting the cross platform ability of LiveCode to the less commun denominator of the different platforms LC covers, Edinburgh and external providers (Monte, …) extends it, each time it can be reliable and useful with special targeted features on one or an other platform and, gracefully, it’s, IMHO, the most we can get for staying as productive as possible from all of these beloved LC cookers ;D Best, Pierre -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com Le 10 août 2015 à 16:26, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com a écrit : Although LC calls itself cross-platform, I despise the fact that commands in the dictionary, particularly for mobile, have quirks that make it a little different for Android than iOS. If it wants to call itself cross-platform, a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across all supported platforms. I would also be more likely to invest more into externals if they didn't focus on a single preferred OS rather than looking at the market potential for LC devs to build x-plat apps. LC tools should all be required to be x-plat - period. /just one opinion. ~Roger On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: Back in The Days Of The Language Wars, it was important, but now, with so many specialty languages for so many reasons, it becomes much less of an issue. The PL bigots have been upended by uncompiled web languages. Whether it's this or Xojo or something else, LC still has a lead for building cross-platform apps. Hopefully 8 will extend that lead and exploit it, more, because, really, web portals aren't the same. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
I think the majority of you have iOS devices because it is what you LIKE, not because it represents what the majority or even half of the population HAVE. While I agree that feature (and syntax) parity is not (yet) achieved in liveCode (And why on earth do the mobile commands STILL throw errors in the IDE?) I disagree that it necessariely makes sense to run after a certain platform only because there are more devices sold. A broader market of devices to deploy to, not necessariely gives us better ROI. If the users buy the cheap devices, they are less likely to open the purse for apps (monetize via ads?) If we develop for business users, not end users (who are much more likely to open the purse for development / consulting) then we can expend only high end / prestige devices. While I know that many of you alreay deploy to mobile and some of you surely monetize there, I also still find too many hoops to jump through before I regard it as a viable platform.I certainly wish for a more optimized engine with syntax parity wherever possible. But with the current engine I would not bet my income on targeting on building liveCode apps for low end devices. 3 € cents (due to inflation) All the best, Malte ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
oh. Assuming you're on a version of lc that supports truewords On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote: You can do this.. Still a bit ugly but it works. set the textcolor of trueword ( truewordoffset(only,line 5 of field 1)) of line 5 of field 1 to red On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/08/15 16:51, dunb...@aol.com wrote: @Mark There is nothing wrong with setting the textColor of an entire line. Any valid chunk expression would do. No, there is nothing wrong with that, but that is not what I want to do. Richmond. @, Richmond: What are you seeing? Why does it not work? I am in v 6.7. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
You can do this.. Still a bit ugly but it works. set the textcolor of trueword ( truewordoffset(only,line 5 of field 1)) of line 5 of field 1 to red On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/08/15 16:51, dunb...@aol.com wrote: @Mark There is nothing wrong with setting the textColor of an entire line. Any valid chunk expression would do. No, there is nothing wrong with that, but that is not what I want to do. Richmond. @, Richmond: What are you seeing? Why does it not work? I am in v 6.7. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
It is also irritating when the assumption is always that so many features are unavailable to the Android platform, and bright shiny iOS has everything you could ever dream of. I call BS on that as all major apps out there work exactly the same on both platforms. I have never read that Netflix can't play movies because Google didn't provide an easy Android SDK for AV to it's developers. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Pierre Sahores s...@sahores-conseil.com wrote: Hi Roger, It’s simply no way to achieve 100% of cross platform ability as long as some features available, say, on the native Xcode’s iOS platform are not on the native Android SDK/NDK/JNI side and vice-versa ! Instead of complaining about this fact and, again, instead of limiting the cross platform ability of LiveCode to the less commun denominator of the different platforms LC covers, Edinburgh and external providers (Monte, …) extends it, each time it can be reliable and useful with special targeted features on one or an other platform and, gracefully, it’s, IMHO, the most we can get for staying as productive as possible from all of these beloved LC cookers ;D Best, Pierre -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com Le 10 août 2015 à 16:26, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com a écrit : Although LC calls itself cross-platform, I despise the fact that commands in the dictionary, particularly for mobile, have quirks that make it a little different for Android than iOS. If it wants to call itself cross-platform, a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across all supported platforms. I would also be more likely to invest more into externals if they didn't focus on a single preferred OS rather than looking at the market potential for LC devs to build x-plat apps. LC tools should all be required to be x-plat - period. /just one opinion. ~Roger On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: Back in The Days Of The Language Wars, it was important, but now, with so many specialty languages for so many reasons, it becomes much less of an issue. The PL bigots have been upended by uncompiled web languages. Whether it's this or Xojo or something else, LC still has a lead for building cross-platform apps. Hopefully 8 will extend that lead and exploit it, more, because, really, web portals aren't the same. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
Richmond. I see, you wanted to use the literal word as a chunk expression. But you surely know this is not valid in LC, and will have to use the wordOffset or something similar so you can get an actual valid chunk. Craig -Original Message- From: Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 7:40 am Subject: Colouring words what is wrong with this: if line 5 of fld WHAT contains only then set the textColor of only in line 5 of fld WHAT to red end if ??? I would like to set certain phrases in a sentence to a different textColor to the other words . . . . . . should be dead easy. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
Roger Eller wrote: ...a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across all supported platforms. Is that how it works in Microsoft Visual Studio? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Choosing a database and LC tools
Hi, I want to add a content library module to a LiveCode-built project. It will enable users to store, tag, sort and retrieve their content. I've read various threads and articles about databases, but I have minimal database experience and I want to get it right the first time. So I'd appreciate answers to these questions and any other insights: 1) Is SQLite the best choice for local database file with a Livecode interface? (Each database record will need to hold a few sentences of Unicode text, 1 or 2 small arrays, the text contents of a few cprops, and a field for tags the user can apply to categorize the various records.) I doubt the number of records would ever exceed 10,000 with an average more like 2,000. 2) The content of some records may have associated images or audio files. I can store the paths to those, but paths break easily. How much does it bloat or burden a database to store jpgs, pngs, wavs or aifs files in records? 3) I see there are a few 3rd-party tools for database work with Livecode. (SQLyoga, SQLiteAdmin and SQLMagic). Are there others? Are these current with LC7? 4) Are there contract developers in the LC community that specialize in setting up databases with LC interfaces? Thanks! Tom B. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Choosing-a-database-and-LC-tools-tp4694777.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
+1 Roger, +1 Pierre. On the first one, Roger, I completely agree, MORE SEAMLESS cross-platform, more attention to Android (and Win 10, etc.) is important, even if it's only because it says to the rest of the world Cross-platform for realises. I also agree with Pierre on where the investment goes. We're doing most of our work, right now, on iOS, so that's mostly what I'm paying folks to extend. I would bet that Monte is responding to demand, because if I said Hey, Monte, I want blah, blah, blah for Android, I would get it. Right now it's Hey, I want blah, blah, blah for iOS, so, harp strum/, I get blah, blah, blah for iOS. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Pierre Sahores s...@sahores-conseil.com wrote: Hi Roger, It’s simply no way to achieve 100% of cross platform ability as long as some features available, say, on the native Xcode’s iOS platform are not on the native Android SDK/NDK/JNI side and vice-versa ! Instead of complaining about this fact and, again, instead of limiting the cross platform ability of LiveCode to the less commun denominator of the different platforms LC covers, Edinburgh and external providers (Monte, …) extends it, each time it can be reliable and useful with special targeted features on one or an other platform and, gracefully, it’s, IMHO, the most we can get for staying as productive as possible from all of these beloved LC cookers ;D Best, Pierre -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com Le 10 août 2015 à 16:26, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com a écrit : Although LC calls itself cross-platform, I despise the fact that commands in the dictionary, particularly for mobile, have quirks that make it a little different for Android than iOS. If it wants to call itself cross-platform, a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across all supported platforms. I would also be more likely to invest more into externals if they didn't focus on a single preferred OS rather than looking at the market potential for LC devs to build x-plat apps. LC tools should all be required to be x-plat - period. /just one opinion. ~Roger On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: Back in The Days Of The Language Wars, it was important, but now, with so many specialty languages for so many reasons, it becomes much less of an issue. The PL bigots have been upended by uncompiled web languages. Whether it's this or Xojo or something else, LC still has a lead for building cross-platform apps. Hopefully 8 will extend that lead and exploit it, more, because, really, web portals aren't the same. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
On 10/08/15 16:51, dunb...@aol.com wrote: @Mark There is nothing wrong with setting the textColor of an entire line. Any valid chunk expression would do. No, there is nothing wrong with that, but that is not what I want to do. Richmond. @, Richmond: What are you seeing? Why does it not work? I am in v 6.7. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
Roger Eller wrote: I have to say this, because I believe ti to be true. LiveCode developers are part of the problem. I think the majority of you have iOS devices because it is what you LIKE, not because it represents what the majority or even half of the population HAVE. Inexpensive Android devices are getting better and better specs all the time, and lots of people buy them. THEY should be our focus, not just our favorites. I would agree that the whole process does seem rather Apple-centric at times, but did you see the Release Notes for 7.1dp1? The LC engine now supports Android intents -- see the new mobileLaunchData function. This is also a good example of how different OS APIs can make a LiveCode feature complicated when the team attempts to make it the same on all platforms: iOS doesn't have intents, using Actions instead. Android intents are relatively simple to code for and work very similarly to url schemes, so it's been pretty straightforward for the team to add that. They do indeed intend to also action Actions support for iOS, but like so many Cocoa things it's not nearly as simple, and given the full range of priorities on their plate won't be in v7.1. Complete feature parity sounds simple, but once you dive into the implementation details it's clear that OSes just don't often work the same, requiring tough decisions about what gets delivered now and what gets delivered later. But at least those of us deploying to the 80% using Android finally have a feature that isn't all about Apple. And a very useful one at that. And in the meantime, anyone in a position to add Actions support to the engine sooner than the core team can is welcome to submit the pull request. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
I wouldn't know. Why? Because I chose LiveCode (actually MetaCard) because my code could be written only once, and it worked the same on Mac, Win, and Irix at that time. Sure there were always shell calls once in a while, but overall, the original designers of the language put in some real effort to make it that way, and I truly appreciate all the work that went into making it so seamless. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Roger Eller wrote: ...a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across all supported platforms. Is that how it works in Microsoft Visual Studio? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
On 10/08/15 20:13, Mark Talluto wrote: On Aug 10, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: I wouldn't know. Why? Because I chose LiveCode (actually MetaCard) because my code could be written only once, and it worked the same on Mac, Win, and Irix at that time. Sure there were always shell calls once in a while, but overall, the original designers of the language put in some real effort to make it that way, and I truly appreciate all the work that went into making it so seamless. I appreciate your desire for a fully unified experience. Keep in mind, technology has changed a lot since MetaCard. And, features have improve and become more complex since MetaCard. It is one thing to write data to a file using a unified method for all platforms. It is another to address mobile specific features between each OS with varying levels of sophistication. Even Apple uses a different/modified OS between all its hardware line. Where equality breaks in LiveCode, it seems reasonable to me. It looks like this will only continue until the various OS and hardware manufactures get together and unify what is available on each system. Desktops will be the last ones to get GPS and accelerometer support. Not holding my breath on that. Quite frankly, as far as I can see, expecting 100% cross-platform portability is expecting too much. The fact that LiveCode manages about 90% is amazing: especially when one considers that there are precious few others that can offer that sort of level of cross-platform stuff. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
Yet another approach: put this is the only one into fld 1 put empty into s1 put empty into e1 get MatchChunk (line 1of fld 1,(?i).+(only).+,s1,e1) -- the regexp capture returns the start and end characters the match set the textcolor of char s1 to e1 of line 1 of fld 1 to red On 8/10/15 12:03 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: You can do this.. Still a bit ugly but it works. set the textcolor of trueword ( truewordoffset(only,line 5 of field 1)) of line 5 of field 1 to red On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/08/15 16:51, dunb...@aol.com wrote: @Mark There is nothing wrong with setting the textColor of an entire line. Any valid chunk expression would do. No, there is nothing wrong with that, but that is not what I want to do. Richmond. @, Richmond: What are you seeing? Why does it not work? I am in v 6.7. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
It sounds like you might want to look at the styledtext. Its a bit convoluted, but once you get it figured out, it should be very fast. Pseudo code for this would be.. put the text of the field into a variable. repeat for each line (paragraph) and build up an array of runs with descriptive text styling for each paragraph. Apply the resulting array to the field. Sounds simple.. Isn't. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Michael Doub miked...@gmail.com wrote: Yet another approach: put this is the only one into fld 1 put empty into s1 put empty into e1 get MatchChunk (line 1of fld 1,(?i).+(only).+,s1,e1) -- the regexp capture returns the start and end characters the match set the textcolor of char s1 to e1 of line 1 of fld 1 to red On 8/10/15 12:03 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: You can do this.. Still a bit ugly but it works. set the textcolor of trueword ( truewordoffset(only,line 5 of field 1)) of line 5 of field 1 to red On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/08/15 16:51, dunb...@aol.com wrote: @Mark There is nothing wrong with setting the textColor of an entire line. Any valid chunk expression would do. No, there is nothing wrong with that, but that is not what I want to do. Richmond. @, Richmond: What are you seeing? Why does it not work? I am in v 6.7. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
The thing that emerges from my question is that to colour a word or phrase programmatically in a textField is a fiddly business and it would be nice (??) if a simpler way to do this were introduced. This works very well: on mouseUp put 1 into VOCABLE repeat until word VOCABLE in fld TEKST is finalSolution666 put VOCABLE into fld KOUNT if word VOCABLE of fld TEKST is the then set the textColor of word VOCABLE of fld TEKST to red end if add 1 to VOCABLE end repeat end mouseUp but, because one cannot set the textColor of a word in a stringVariable it is very slow with large texts because it has to work within the field. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Choosing a database and LC tools
Hi Tom, SQLite should do what you need but a few notes for you. SQLite doesn't have an array datatype. The usual way of handling this type of data in any SQL database is to store each key and value of the array in a separate table that is linked to your main table by an id of some sort that would have the same value in both tables. You could also get round it by arrayEncoding them before putting them in the database and then arrayDecoding them on the way out. It's pretty easy to store images in columns with a data type of BLOB, although it requires some slightly different LC coding to SELECT them. Also be aware that LC used to encode BLOB data in a proprietary way but then removed the encoding in a release which I can't quite remember. Only an issue if you expect to access the database with versions of LC both before and after the change. Plus it's controllable via an sqliteoption parameter for revOpenDatabase. I will contact you off list re contract work and a couple of other suggestions. Pete On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:40 AM tbodine bod...@bodinetraininggames.com wrote: Hi, I want to add a content library module to a LiveCode-built project. It will enable users to store, tag, sort and retrieve their content. I've read various threads and articles about databases, but I have minimal database experience and I want to get it right the first time. So I'd appreciate answers to these questions and any other insights: 1) Is SQLite the best choice for local database file with a Livecode interface? (Each database record will need to hold a few sentences of Unicode text, 1 or 2 small arrays, the text contents of a few cprops, and a field for tags the user can apply to categorize the various records.) I doubt the number of records would ever exceed 10,000 with an average more like 2,000. 2) The content of some records may have associated images or audio files. I can store the paths to those, but paths break easily. How much does it bloat or burden a database to store jpgs, pngs, wavs or aifs files in records? 3) I see there are a few 3rd-party tools for database work with Livecode. (SQLyoga, SQLiteAdmin and SQLMagic). Are there others? Are these current with LC7? 4) Are there contract developers in the LC community that specialize in setting up databases with LC interfaces? Thanks! Tom B. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Choosing-a-database-and-LC-tools-tp4694777.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT-ish] naming a MeetUp group
Martin, I’m involved with a couple of MeetUp groups. My experience is similar to yours regarding the lack of attendance even when people confirm they are coming. Bill Vlahos On Aug 9, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Martin Koob mk...@rogers.com wrote: I set up a meet-up group page in Toronto http://www.meetup.com/Greater-Toronto-Area-LiveCode-Users-Group/members/ I was hoping to specifically focus on LiveCode so included that in the name. You also set a headline for the group. I used the following to hilite the multi platform capabilities. LiveCode: write once, deploy on iOS, Android, Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, Server I think if you are trying to appeal to new programmers they may not know that 'High level' means. It may actually sound more difficult, i.e. you are working at a high level. Maybe in the group headline you can explain that high level languages are easier to use. Coding doesn't need to be scary, high level languages have all of the power to do what you want done with less of the complexity. If you have an idea for an app and want to get started right away join this meet-up. I am not sure how much of that will fit in the headline. With the Toronto LiveCode meet up group members keep joining, it is up to 35 now. However I have not had much luck getting people to come out to a meet up. Martin -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-ish-naming-a-MeetUp-group-tp4694690p4694725.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
On 10/08/15 20:00, Roger Eller wrote: I wouldn't know. Why? Because I chose LiveCode (actually MetaCard) because my code could be written only once, and it worked the same on Mac, Win, and Irix at that time. Sure there were always shell calls once in a while, but overall, the original designers of the language put in some real effort to make it that way, and I truly appreciate all the work that went into making it so seamless. Indeed! I got involved with LiveCode when I was working at the University of St. Andrews and needed to write a series of programs for Chinese, Japanese and Korean students get their heads around the 'joys' of English phonetics that would work, with Quicktime, on both Windows and Macintosh 9 10. I later developed a software package (Listen Hear) for school kids to learn about different types of music, that could run on both Macs and Windows systems. There didn't really seem anything else that could do that without a near-vertical learning curve at the time. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Roger Eller wrote: ...a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across all supported platforms. Is that how it works in Microsoft Visual Studio? Wow! that made me laugh because right behind me, on the bed, there reclines an incredibly attractive . . . book entitled Practical Visual Basic 6 by Reselman, Pruchniak, Peasley and Smith, which I, in a fit of foolishness spent 22 pounds sterling on when I was studying at the University of Abertay. For some unknown reason, my cats seem to like the book and often sleep on top of it - quite appropriate really. I am very glad I studied Visual Basic 6. Not because Visual Basic 6 is any good, frankly. Because every exercise Mrs Lobster (ok, ok, her real name was Mrs Crab) gave us was a complete pain in the bum to put together and get working in VB6, so at the end of every practical session I would go home and do the same exercise in LiveCode (or Runtime Revolution as it then was) in about 10% of the time, and much more easily. Considering I had been using LiveCode for about 18 months at that stage, and had never had any classes in it (well, admittedly, Mrs Lobster was incompetent - I remembered things from my BASIC classes from about 30 years before, when I was 13/14 - that she kept getting wrong), it just served to show me what a Clunk, Clunk, Clunk VB6 was. AND, Visual Basic is a single-platform language (and it runs on my least-favourite platform). -- Richard Gaskin Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
I was going to suggest looking at styledText too, but it is kind of tricky to insert a run within the array. I think Richmond should look at some of the text routines in the masterLibrary. There are several that might be interesting: LineOffsets returns a list of lines that contain a string within container - create a list of each line that contains only WordOffsets returns a list of word offsets of a string within a container - create a new list that has line number and the word offsets within the line. wordBounds returns the start and end character of a word specified by line number and work offset. - Based on the line number and word offset, get the start and end character and change the color within the field variable with the screen locked. On 8/10/15 1:59 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: It sounds like you might want to look at the styledtext. Its a bit convoluted, but once you get it figured out, it should be very fast. Pseudo code for this would be.. put the text of the field into a variable. repeat for each line (paragraph) and build up an array of runs with descriptive text styling for each paragraph. Apply the resulting array to the field. Sounds simple.. Isn't. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Michael Doub miked...@gmail.com wrote: Yet another approach: put this is the only one into fld 1 put empty into s1 put empty into e1 get MatchChunk (line 1of fld 1,(?i).+(only).+,s1,e1) -- the regexp capture returns the start and end characters the match set the textcolor of char s1 to e1 of line 1 of fld 1 to red On 8/10/15 12:03 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: You can do this.. Still a bit ugly but it works. set the textcolor of trueword ( truewordoffset(only,line 5 of field 1)) of line 5 of field 1 to red On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/08/15 16:51, dunb...@aol.com wrote: @Mark There is nothing wrong with setting the textColor of an entire line. Any valid chunk expression would do. No, there is nothing wrong with that, but that is not what I want to do. Richmond. @, Richmond: What are you seeing? Why does it not work? I am in v 6.7. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
On Aug 10, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: I wouldn't know. Why? Because I chose LiveCode (actually MetaCard) because my code could be written only once, and it worked the same on Mac, Win, and Irix at that time. Sure there were always shell calls once in a while, but overall, the original designers of the language put in some real effort to make it that way, and I truly appreciate all the work that went into making it so seamless. I appreciate your desire for a fully unified experience. Keep in mind, technology has changed a lot since MetaCard. And, features have improve and become more complex since MetaCard. It is one thing to write data to a file using a unified method for all platforms. It is another to address mobile specific features between each OS with varying levels of sophistication. Even Apple uses a different/modified OS between all its hardware line. Where equality breaks in LiveCode, it seems reasonable to me. It looks like this will only continue until the various OS and hardware manufactures get together and unify what is available on each system. Desktops will be the last ones to get GPS and accelerometer support. Not holding my breath on that. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com CassiaDB: The easy to use, free local storage database made for LiveCode Developers: livecloud.io ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Choosing a database and LC tools
On Aug 10, 2015, at 9:36 AM, tbodine bod...@bodinetraininggames.com wrote: 1) Is SQLite the best choice for local database file with a Livecode interface? (Each database record will need to hold a few sentences of Unicode text, 1 or 2 small arrays, the text contents of a few cprops, and a field for tags the user can apply to categorize the various records.) I doubt the number of records would ever exceed 10,000 with an average more like 2,000. 2) The content of some records may have associated images or audio files. I can store the paths to those, but paths break easily. How much does it bloat or burden a database to store jpgs, pngs, wavs or aifs files in records? 3) I see there are a few 3rd-party tools for database work with Livecode. (SQLyoga, SQLiteAdmin and SQLMagic). Are there others? Are these current with LC7? 4) Are there contract developers in the LC community that specialize in setting up databases with LC interfaces? Hi Tom, Another 3rd party option is CassiaDB. The local database is free. You can learn more about it at LiveCloud.io. If you have any questions about it, feel free to write us. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com CassiaDB: The easy to use, free local storage database made for LiveCode Developers: livecloud.io ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
Thankfully, hardware convergence is finally coming. If the latest generation Atom processors had been around when the iPad took the world by storm, we would have seen something quite different. I can now get a fully functional Dell tablet that is lighter and thinner than an iPad, but it can run LiveCode any other Windows application. These Win tablets have GPS and accelerometers, so why not support them? Check out the latest Android Lollipop LapTabLopLet (what else would you call it?): The Dell Venue 10 7000 http://www.dell.com/us/p/dell-venue-10-7040-tablet/pd?p=dell-venue-10-7040-tablet . On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Mark Talluto use...@canelasoftware.com wrote: On Aug 10, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: I wouldn't know. Why? Because I chose LiveCode (actually MetaCard) because my code could be written only once, and it worked the same on Mac, Win, and Irix at that time. Sure there were always shell calls once in a while, but overall, the original designers of the language put in some real effort to make it that way, and I truly appreciate all the work that went into making it so seamless. I appreciate your desire for a fully unified experience. Keep in mind, technology has changed a lot since MetaCard. And, features have improve and become more complex since MetaCard. It is one thing to write data to a file using a unified method for all platforms. It is another to address mobile specific features between each OS with varying levels of sophistication. Even Apple uses a different/modified OS between all its hardware line. Where equality breaks in LiveCode, it seems reasonable to me. It looks like this will only continue until the various OS and hardware manufactures get together and unify what is available on each system. Desktops will be the last ones to get GPS and accelerometer support. Not holding my breath on that. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com CassiaDB: The easy to use, free local storage database made for LiveCode Developers: livecloud.io ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
On 8/10/2015 12:39 PM, Richmond wrote: but, because one cannot set the textColor of a word in a stringVariable it is very slow with large texts because it has to work within the field. That's why I usually use the html suggestion that Mark S. provided. After getting the htmltext of the field, you can replace all instances of the target word with color tags in one line of code. Then set the htmltext of the field to the resulting value of the variable: get the htmltext of fld what replace finalSolution666 with font color= quote #FFquotefinalSolution666/font in it set the htmltext of fld what to it -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
On 10/08/15 19:03, Mike Bonner wrote: oh. Assuming you're on a version of lc that supports truewords Mine all seem to support falsewords . . . Err, sorry, the mask slipped there a minute :/ I see that version 7.0.5 supports truewords, and that's good enough for me. Thanks for that one. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Jane Austen's peculiarity
Hi all, Richmond, you could give this a try in your fine prepared stack: The following uses = an array [one of the proposals above] = trueWords [one of the proposals, needs LC 7] = multichar-itemDelimiters [one of the proposals above, needs LC 7] It outputs for each of your 6 opening words were ,was ,is ,are ,has ,have . the frequency counts of words 1 and lists the item numbers of these occurences, for each of the 6 words as itemdelimiter (actually word space). For example in fld COOKED were (by script created) we get: were by3 122 375 413 what means there are 3 occurrences of were by and these are at trueword 1 of items 122, 375 and 413 if were is the itemdelimiter. [Use of trueWord collects for example by and by? and by, and by! in one categorie by.] *** This takes 1 sec, in sum for all 6 opening words from above! *** *** So this is TMHO a true demo of the power of some LC 7 features *** A click on a line of one of the 6 output fields colourizes (yellow backColour) exactly the occurrences in fld TEKST and cycles finding these by hitting the enterKey. What to do? [1} Make a new button with the following script part 1. [2] Add the last part of the script to your card script part 2. Have fun, it takes 5 minutes to test all this with your stack ... Hermann ## part 1 for button on mouseUp put the millisecs into strt put started : the long time into fld STARTT put empty into fld STOPT lock screen; lock messages -- speeds up set cursor to watch put 1 into KTEKST; put 1 into KCOOK put fld WERBS into WERBS; delete last line of WERBS put fld TEKST into TEKST delete char 1 to offset(PRIDE AND PREJUDICE,TEKST)-1 of TEKST -- watch the space after each item, no space before each item put were ,was ,is ,are ,has ,have into openings -- start be lazy if there is no fld STOPT2 then clone fld STOPT set name of last fld to STOPT2 set left of fld STOPT2 to the left of fld STOPT set top of fld STOPT2 to the 40+the top of fld STOPT end if repeat with j=1 to 6 put (COOKED word 1 of item j of openings) into F if there is no field F then clone fld Cooked set name of last fld to F set rect of fld F to (0,0,275,150) set topleft of fld F to \ (item j of 95,95,380,380,670,670, item j of 590,740,590,740,590,740) set tabstops of fld F to 128 end if end repeat -- end be lazy repeat for each item W in openings put (COOKED word 1 of W) into F put empty into RM; put empty into RM1 set itemdelimiter to W; put TEKST into TEKST2 delete item 1 of TEKST2; put 1 into X repeat for each item I in TEKST2 put W trueword 1 of I into Y -- important is trueword, compare to word add 1 to word 1 of RM[Y] add 1 to X; put space X after RM[Y] end repeat -- write these 'keys' at top repeat for each line L in WERBS put RM[W L] into wL if wL is empty then put 0 into wL put cr W L tab wL after RM1 end repeat combine RM by cr and tab put W : diff cases tab (the number of lines of RM) \ cr RM1 crcr RM into fld F set textstyle of line 1 of fld F to bold set textstyle of line 3 to 2+(the num of lines of WERBS) of fld F to italic set hilitedLines of fld F to 1 set itemdelimiter to comma end repeat put finished : the long time into fld STOPT put (the short name of me): (the millisecs - strt) ms into fld STOPT2 unlock screen; unlock messages end mouseUp ## part 2 for card script local toFind on mouseUp if cooked is in the short name of the target then set cursor to watch; lock screen; lock messages put length(fld TEKST) into L set textcolor of char 1 to L of fld TEKST to 0,0,0 set backColor of char 1 to L of fld TEKST to 255,255,255 put the value of the clickline into cL colorWords cL unlock screen; unlock messages end if end mouseUp on colorWords x set itemdel to tab put item 2 of x into wrds put 1 + word 1 of wrds into N set itemdel to ((trueword 1 of x) space) repeat with j=2 to N set backcolor of trueword 1 of item (word j of wrds) of fld TEKST to 255,255,0 end repeat put find whole quote (trueword 1 to 2 of x) quote \ in fld quote TEKST quote into toFind select before trueword 1 of item (word N of wrds) of fld TEKST -- the last hit set itemdel to comma do toFind end colorWords on enterinField do toFind end enterinField -- end of scripts ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Jane Austen's peculiarity
Richmond, this was your last post to this thread before mine. My current version is here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0 File : TA.zip play with it, rip it to pieces, improve it: go on, I dare you :) Richmond. So I downloaded this stack and wrote a script that implemented three ideas, two by other LCoders, one by me. Because you graciously ignored these ideas, I was simply curious about their effects on speed and selectivity (by using trueWords). I didn't play with your stack, I didn't rip it into pieces, but somehow improved it a bit in the sense of using effectively some available features of LC 7. It was no dare, I had fun. And you had obviously fun too, what a great speech! Who dares wins, you --- and me. Hermann p.s. Shouldn't the opening of your speech read I was _achieved_? ;-) Richmond wrote: I am achieving what I initially set out to achieve, and with far less code than yours, so have no intention of changing anything. I, also, am a lucky sort of chap insofar as I don't really mind that much if my stack takes 3 days to work its way through a corpus . . . I can go and do some teaching, read a book, cook some food, go for a bike ride, talk to my wife, play with my cats, and so on. That has ALWAYS been my approach to programming for one simple reason: working every holiday for very many years indeed on a farm on an island I had to sort out broken bailers, tractors and so on. Now proper spares had to come, on a ferry, at a vast transportation overhead, from the mainland of Scotland. We could not afford that, so we fossicked (lovely verb) for whatever would do the job in the 'graveyard' of broken tractors, cars, stuff we had picked up from the local dump, and so on. Every single time we got our accursed bailer to bail the straw and the hay, we got the cotter pins we needed to connect the tractor to the plough, harrow, muck-spreader or whatever; never very elegant, but they worked. In fact my younger son was on that farm just 8 days ago and was shown some of my repair work by the farmer's son (the farmer is long dead); still functional after 25 years. I have, just, worked out a way to colourise the items I want, and while, churning through some socking great corpus that would take days, I only need it to colourise the sentences the previous routine has extracted, so that won't take that long. You, if it really seems such a good idea (and is it?) are more than welcome to download my stack https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0 File: TA.zip and mess around with the script to your heart's content. AND, while we are talking about time-consuming exercises: having put 4 hours of work into the thing, that seems, already, a bit more than the thing deserves as I am not interested in winning the Tour de France, simply extracting some data from a million word corpus with absolutely no deadline at all unless I choose to impose one. The results MAY get rolled into a paper my wife and I are THINKING of writing for an academic conference . . . . Almost ALL the stacks I have thrown out into the public domain in the last 6 months have come back to me with comments about how my code is clunky, inefficient, and so forth; and I would not doubt for a minute that that is probably true. HOWEVER, as far as I am concerned there is one enormous advantage about my code above thine, or anybody else's; while thy code and the code of many others is probably more efficient, more clever and gets things done more quickly, I don't understand the finer points of it, while I understand how my code works 100% because it was written by me, follows my logic, and does what I require it to do. It is always entertaining and instructive to see how people react to my code, and I often learn a lot from their reactions (not least about human psychology), including new coding tricks - but there always come a point where the burden of having to plough through other people's code (reflecting the way their minds work) feels like too much in comparison from anything I might learn from it. --- I also suspect that very many people share my interest in getting the job done rather than producing posh code. RunRev claim, on their website, that one can learn to code quickly. With Livecode one can learn how to code RELATIVELY quickly, up to a certain point; and many people who are not programmers qua programmers should be attracted by that because they have probably got other things to do other than JUST program. I am, at least to a certain extent, one of those people, as computer programming is not the hinge on which my life rotates (and this became extremely clear just recently when I spent 3 weeks driving round Europe without access to any programming facilities at all), and that is why I may come
Android Status Bar?
Is it possible to customize the appearance of the status bar, i.e. making it transparent, so we can make the overall stack appearance look more like the current Android OS? Thanks Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Choosing a database and LC tools
Hi Bill, If you wouldn't mind... I would love to see some of those PHP scripts... I've always used MySQL locally but I was thinking of branching out to use it on the web. I have a Founders account but never really use the MySQL from there... I never did like the (lack of) security. Thanks Paul On Aug 10, 2015, at 9:15 PM, William Prothero proth...@earthednet.org wrote: Tom: I use Navicat to manage my databases. It will access a variety of online databases, and works with SQLite too. I use it all the time. In my app work, I use livecode with POST commands to php that talks to an online mySQL database. PHP is totally robust and won’t fail on you, and it’s built into most Apache installations. On Mac, there is also a great free tool called MAMP, which allows you to run a complete web server with php on your local machine, for debugging. Again, Navicat is your friend and will save you hours of wondering whether your data actually got into the db or not. I read that storage of images in a mySQL database isn’t recommended. But, I have stored them in SQLite db’s and it worked fine. Haven’t tried it on mySQL. I will send you some php scripts, if you are interested. Contact me offline. Best, Bill On Aug 10, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: Hi Tom, SQLite should do what you need but a few notes for you. SQLite doesn't have an array datatype. The usual way of handling this type of data in any SQL database is to store each key and value of the array in a separate table that is linked to your main table by an id of some sort that would have the same value in both tables. You could also get round it by arrayEncoding them before putting them in the database and then arrayDecoding them on the way out. It's pretty easy to store images in columns with a data type of BLOB, although it requires some slightly different LC coding to SELECT them. Also be aware that LC used to encode BLOB data in a proprietary way but then removed the encoding in a release which I can't quite remember. Only an issue if you expect to access the database with versions of LC both before and after the change. Plus it's controllable via an sqliteoption parameter for revOpenDatabase. I will contact you off list re contract work and a couple of other suggestions. Pete On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:40 AM tbodine bod...@bodinetraininggames.com wrote: Hi, I want to add a content library module to a LiveCode-built project. It will enable users to store, tag, sort and retrieve their content. I've read various threads and articles about databases, but I have minimal database experience and I want to get it right the first time. So I'd appreciate answers to these questions and any other insights: 1) Is SQLite the best choice for local database file with a Livecode interface? (Each database record will need to hold a few sentences of Unicode text, 1 or 2 small arrays, the text contents of a few cprops, and a field for tags the user can apply to categorize the various records.) I doubt the number of records would ever exceed 10,000 with an average more like 2,000. 2) The content of some records may have associated images or audio files. I can store the paths to those, but paths break easily. How much does it bloat or burden a database to store jpgs, pngs, wavs or aifs files in records? 3) I see there are a few 3rd-party tools for database work with Livecode. (SQLyoga, SQLiteAdmin and SQLMagic). Are there others? Are these current with LC7? 4) Are there contract developers in the LC community that specialize in setting up databases with LC interfaces? Thanks! Tom B. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Choosing-a-database-and-LC-tools-tp4694777.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Jane Austen's peculiarity
On 10/08/15 22:19, hh wrote: Hi all, Richmond, you could give this a try in your fine prepared stack: The following uses = an array [one of the proposals above] = trueWords [one of the proposals, needs LC 7] = multichar-itemDelimiters [one of the proposals above, needs LC 7] It outputs for each of your 6 opening words were ,was ,is ,are ,has ,have . the frequency counts of words 1 and lists the item numbers of these occurences, for each of the 6 words as itemdelimiter (actually word space). For example in fld COOKED were (by script created) we get: were by3 122 375 413 what means there are 3 occurrences of were by and these are at trueword 1 of items 122, 375 and 413 if were is the itemdelimiter. [Use of trueWord collects for example by and by? and by, and by! in one categorie by.] *** This takes 1 sec, in sum for all 6 opening words from above! *** *** So this is TMHO a true demo of the power of some LC 7 features *** A click on a line of one of the 6 output fields colourizes (yellow backColour) exactly the occurrences in fld TEKST and cycles finding these by hitting the enterKey. What to do? [1} Make a new button with the following script part 1. [2] Add the last part of the script to your card script part 2. Have fun, it takes 5 minutes to test all this with your stack ... Hermann ## part 1 for button on mouseUp put the millisecs into strt put started : the long time into fld STARTT put empty into fld STOPT lock screen; lock messages -- speeds up set cursor to watch put 1 into KTEKST; put 1 into KCOOK put fld WERBS into WERBS; delete last line of WERBS put fld TEKST into TEKST delete char 1 to offset(PRIDE AND PREJUDICE,TEKST)-1 of TEKST -- watch the space after each item, no space before each item put were ,was ,is ,are ,has ,have into openings -- start be lazy if there is no fld STOPT2 then clone fld STOPT set name of last fld to STOPT2 set left of fld STOPT2 to the left of fld STOPT set top of fld STOPT2 to the 40+the top of fld STOPT end if repeat with j=1 to 6 put (COOKED word 1 of item j of openings) into F if there is no field F then clone fld Cooked set name of last fld to F set rect of fld F to (0,0,275,150) set topleft of fld F to \ (item j of 95,95,380,380,670,670, item j of 590,740,590,740,590,740) set tabstops of fld F to 128 end if end repeat -- end be lazy repeat for each item W in openings put (COOKED word 1 of W) into F put empty into RM; put empty into RM1 set itemdelimiter to W; put TEKST into TEKST2 delete item 1 of TEKST2; put 1 into X repeat for each item I in TEKST2 put W trueword 1 of I into Y -- important is trueword, compare to word add 1 to word 1 of RM[Y] add 1 to X; put space X after RM[Y] end repeat -- write these 'keys' at top repeat for each line L in WERBS put RM[W L] into wL if wL is empty then put 0 into wL put cr W L tab wL after RM1 end repeat combine RM by cr and tab put W : diff cases tab (the number of lines of RM) \ cr RM1 crcr RM into fld F set textstyle of line 1 of fld F to bold set textstyle of line 3 to 2+(the num of lines of WERBS) of fld F to italic set hilitedLines of fld F to 1 set itemdelimiter to comma end repeat put finished : the long time into fld STOPT put (the short name of me): (the millisecs - strt) ms into fld STOPT2 unlock screen; unlock messages end mouseUp ## part 2 for card script local toFind on mouseUp if cooked is in the short name of the target then set cursor to watch; lock screen; lock messages put length(fld TEKST) into L set textcolor of char 1 to L of fld TEKST to 0,0,0 set backColor of char 1 to L of fld TEKST to 255,255,255 put the value of the clickline into cL colorWords cL unlock screen; unlock messages end if end mouseUp on colorWords x set itemdel to tab put item 2 of x into wrds put 1 + word 1 of wrds into N set itemdel to ((trueword 1 of x) space) repeat with j=2 to N set backcolor of trueword 1 of item (word j of wrds) of fld TEKST to 255,255,0 end repeat put find whole quote (trueword 1 to 2 of x) quote \ in fld quote TEKST quote into toFind select before trueword 1 of item (word N of wrds) of fld TEKST -- the last hit set itemdel to comma do toFind end colorWords on enterinField do toFind end enterinField -- end of scripts ___ I am achieving what I initially set out to achieve, and with far less code than yours, so have no intention of changing anything. I, also, am a lucky sort of chap insofar as I don't really mind that much if my stack takes 3 days to work its way through a corpus . . . I can go and do some teaching, read a book, cook some food, go for a bike ride, talk to my wife, play with my cats, and so on. That
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
Unfortunately the platforms are relatively different in the way they do things so it's not easy to make things exactly the same unless you whittle things down to the lowest common denominator and that's not always helpful. As far as externals goes I'm keen to help there but there's two road blocks. Firstly it has been rare that people have asked/paid me to build android externals. That's how mergExt externals are born. Secondly the android externals sdk is so darn limited that I've had to give up on a couple of projects. So there you go, give me clients and something solid to work with and I can shower you with Android externals ;-) Cheers Monte Sent from my iPhone On 11 Aug 2015, at 12:26 am, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: Although LC calls itself cross-platform, I despise the fact that commands in the dictionary, particularly for mobile, have quirks that make it a little different for Android than iOS. If it wants to call itself cross-platform, a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across all supported platforms. I would also be more likely to invest more into externals if they didn't focus on a single preferred OS rather than looking at the market potential for LC devs to build x-plat apps. LC tools should all be required to be x-plat - period. /just one opinion. ~Roger On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: Back in The Days Of The Language Wars, it was important, but now, with so many specialty languages for so many reasons, it becomes much less of an issue. The PL bigots have been upended by uncompiled web languages. Whether it's this or Xojo or something else, LC still has a lead for building cross-platform apps. Hopefully 8 will extend that lead and exploit it, more, because, really, web portals aren't the same. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Choosing a database and LC tools
Tom: I use Navicat to manage my databases. It will access a variety of online databases, and works with SQLite too. I use it all the time. In my app work, I use livecode with POST commands to php that talks to an online mySQL database. PHP is totally robust and won’t fail on you, and it’s built into most Apache installations. On Mac, there is also a great free tool called MAMP, which allows you to run a complete web server with php on your local machine, for debugging. Again, Navicat is your friend and will save you hours of wondering whether your data actually got into the db or not. I read that storage of images in a mySQL database isn’t recommended. But, I have stored them in SQLite db’s and it worked fine. Haven’t tried it on mySQL. I will send you some php scripts, if you are interested. Contact me offline. Best, Bill On Aug 10, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: Hi Tom, SQLite should do what you need but a few notes for you. SQLite doesn't have an array datatype. The usual way of handling this type of data in any SQL database is to store each key and value of the array in a separate table that is linked to your main table by an id of some sort that would have the same value in both tables. You could also get round it by arrayEncoding them before putting them in the database and then arrayDecoding them on the way out. It's pretty easy to store images in columns with a data type of BLOB, although it requires some slightly different LC coding to SELECT them. Also be aware that LC used to encode BLOB data in a proprietary way but then removed the encoding in a release which I can't quite remember. Only an issue if you expect to access the database with versions of LC both before and after the change. Plus it's controllable via an sqliteoption parameter for revOpenDatabase. I will contact you off list re contract work and a couple of other suggestions. Pete On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:40 AM tbodine bod...@bodinetraininggames.com wrote: Hi, I want to add a content library module to a LiveCode-built project. It will enable users to store, tag, sort and retrieve their content. I've read various threads and articles about databases, but I have minimal database experience and I want to get it right the first time. So I'd appreciate answers to these questions and any other insights: 1) Is SQLite the best choice for local database file with a Livecode interface? (Each database record will need to hold a few sentences of Unicode text, 1 or 2 small arrays, the text contents of a few cprops, and a field for tags the user can apply to categorize the various records.) I doubt the number of records would ever exceed 10,000 with an average more like 2,000. 2) The content of some records may have associated images or audio files. I can store the paths to those, but paths break easily. How much does it bloat or burden a database to store jpgs, pngs, wavs or aifs files in records? 3) I see there are a few 3rd-party tools for database work with Livecode. (SQLyoga, SQLiteAdmin and SQLMagic). Are there others? Are these current with LC7? 4) Are there contract developers in the LC community that specialize in setting up databases with LC interfaces? Thanks! Tom B. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Choosing-a-database-and-LC-tools-tp4694777.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
On 10/08/15 14:45, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Richmond, It may not be as easy as you think: repeat with x = 1 to number of words of line y of fld What if word x of line y of fld What is only then set the textColor of word x of line y of fld What to red end if end repeat or put the htmlText of fld What into myText replace only with font color= quote \ red quote only/font in myText set the htmlText of fld What to myText Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille snip On 8/10/2015 13:39, Richmond wrote: what is wrong with this: if line 5 of fld WHAT contains only then set the textColor of only in line 5 of fld WHAT to red end if ??? I would like to set certain phrases in a sentence to a different textColor to the other words . . . . . . should be dead easy. Richmond. Oh, well . . . I was well aware I could do this: on mouseUp set the textColor of word 3 of line 1 of fld WHAT to red end mouseUp it just seemed incredibly longwinded to have to write stuff like this: on mouseUp if word 3 of line 1 of fld WHAT is only then set the textColor of word 3 of line 1 of fld WHAT to red end if end mouseUp and then, as you have suggested, write a routine to trawl through all the words in a line. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Jane Austen's peculiarity
My current version is here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0 File : TA.zip play with it, rip it to pieces, improve it: go on, I dare you :) Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Jane Austen's peculiarity
On 09/08/15 23:03, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: Just by loading the textFields into variables the whole script runs considerably faster If you did the same with the output it'd get even faster. Hmm: on mouseUp put empty into fld COOKED put empty into fld STARTT put empty into fld STOPT put started : the long time into fld STARTT put 1 into KTEKST put 1 into KCOOK put fld TEKST into TEKST put fld WERBS into WERBS repeat until line KTEKST of TEKST contains finalSolution666 put line KTEKST of TEKST into LTEKST put 1 into KWERBS repeat until line KWERBS of WERBS contains finalSolution666 put was line KWERBS of WERBS into FRAZE put were line KWERBS of WERBS into FRAZE2 if LTEKST contains FRAZE then put KTEKST : LTEKST into line KCOOK of COOKED ---!!! add 1 to KCOOK end if if LTEKST contains FRAZE2 then put KTEKST : LTEKST into line KCOOK of COOKED ---!!! add 1 to KCOOK end if add 1 to KWERBS end repeat add 1 to KTEKST end repeat put COOKED into fld COOKED ---!!! put finished : the long time into fld STOPT end mouseUp modifications marked thus: ---!!! crashed Livecode. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
@Mark There is nothing wrong with setting the textColor of an entire line. Any valid chunk expression would do. @, Richmond: What are you seeing? Why does it not work? I am in v 6.7. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:58 am Subject: Re: Colouring words On 10/08/15 14:45, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Richmond, It may not be as easy as you think: repeat with x = 1 to number of words of line y of fld What if word x of line y of fld What is only then set the textColor of word x of line y of fld What to red end if end repeat or put the htmlText of fld What into myText replace only with font color= quote \ red quote only/font in myText set the htmlText of fld What to myText Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille snip On 8/10/2015 13:39, Richmond wrote: what is wrong with this: if line 5 of fld WHAT contains only then set the textColor of only in line 5 of fld WHAT to red end if ??? I would like to set certain phrases in a sentence to a different textColor to the other words . . . . . . should be dead easy. Richmond. Oh, well . . . I was well aware I could do this: on mouseUp set the textColor of word 3 of line 1 of fld WHAT to red end mouseUp it just seemed incredibly longwinded to have to write stuff like this: on mouseUp if word 3 of line 1 of fld WHAT is only then set the textColor of word 3 of line 1 of fld WHAT to red end if end mouseUp and then, as you have suggested, write a routine to trawl through all the words in a line. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Colouring words
what is wrong with this: if line 5 of fld WHAT contains only then set the textColor of only in line 5 of fld WHAT to red end if ??? I would like to set certain phrases in a sentence to a different textColor to the other words . . . . . . should be dead easy. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Colouring words
Hi Richmond, It may not be as easy as you think: repeat with x = 1 to number of words of line y of fld What if word x of line y of fld What is only then set the textColor of word x of line y of fld What to red end if end repeat or put the htmlText of fld What into myText replace only with font color= quote \ red quote only/font in myText set the htmlText of fld What to myText Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 8/10/2015 13:39, Richmond wrote: what is wrong with this: if line 5 of fld WHAT contains only then set the textColor of only in line 5 of fld WHAT to red end if ??? I would like to set certain phrases in a sentence to a different textColor to the other words . . . . . . should be dead easy. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
Back in The Days Of The Language Wars, it was important, but now, with so many specialty languages for so many reasons, it becomes much less of an issue. The PL bigots have been upended by uncompiled web languages. Whether it's this or Xojo or something else, LC still has a lead for building cross-platform apps. Hopefully 8 will extend that lead and exploit it, more, because, really, web portals aren't the same. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10
Although LC calls itself cross-platform, I despise the fact that commands in the dictionary, particularly for mobile, have quirks that make it a little different for Android than iOS. If it wants to call itself cross-platform, a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across all supported platforms. I would also be more likely to invest more into externals if they didn't focus on a single preferred OS rather than looking at the market potential for LC devs to build x-plat apps. LC tools should all be required to be x-plat - period. /just one opinion. ~Roger On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: Back in The Days Of The Language Wars, it was important, but now, with so many specialty languages for so many reasons, it becomes much less of an issue. The PL bigots have been upended by uncompiled web languages. Whether it's this or Xojo or something else, LC still has a lead for building cross-platform apps. Hopefully 8 will extend that lead and exploit it, more, because, really, web portals aren't the same. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
