Re: Storing and object reference in a var

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

(mostly to solidify the memory for myself)
set the text of tObjectReference gives the engine enough clue to know that
you're setting a property (set the text of) so the next thing needs to be
an object reference.
put "fred" into tObjectReference is ambiguous because you can put fred into
tname or any variable name, so the engine can't know when to eval or not
eval for an object reference.  So it defaults to the most likely scenario,
putting a value into a variable.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:46 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Agreed. Please enlighten. I had this problem when getting the controls in
> a group, parsing out the fields, then trying to get the contents. I did
> this because I had some fields named the same, but they were in different
> groups, so I wanted only the one in the specified group.
> Bill
>
> > On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:15 PM, dunbarx via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am not sure what you mean.
> >
> > Both lines of code seem fine. What is not working?
> >
> > Craig Newman
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Storing and object reference in a var

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Agreed. Please enlighten. I had this problem when getting the controls in a 
group, parsing out the fields, then trying to get the contents. I did this 
because I had some fields named the same, but they were in different groups, so 
I wanted only the one in the specified group.
Bill

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:15 PM, dunbarx via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am not sure what you mean.
> 
> Both lines of code seem fine. What is not working?
> 
> Craig Newman
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Storing and object reference in a var

[dunbarx via use-livecode]

I am not sure what you mean.

Both lines of code seem fine. What is not working?

Craig Newman



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Re: Delete element from array

[Phil Davis via use-livecode]

delete variable tMyArray["this key"]


On 1/24/17 6:54 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

how do you remove a key from an array?

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Re: Storing and object reference in a var

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

ha!  duh! I need to go body surfing for a day and get away from the code

… I'm "losing it" 

Put "hello" into tTargetField#  replace the long id in the var with "hello" 

sheesh…

this get set prop thing has a lot of power, one day I'll wrap my head around it.



 

On 1/24/17, 12:57 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

You are writing ambiguous code and the engine can’t read your mind ;-)

Try:

set the text of tTargetField to “Hello”

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Delete element from array

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

how do you remove a key from an array?

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set the menubar activates in-window menu on mac

[Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode]

I'm battling new stacks having one of the menus largely disabled.  I'm
starting to wonder if the right menu is even being used, but stepping
through in the IDe in itself switches the menu, so . . .

Anyway to force things, I tried

set the menubar of stack st to stMen

This causes a X-style menu to appear in the stack window, not what I was
aiming for . . .

According to the dictionary, this should simply set the menu, not override.
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Re: Storing and object reference in a var

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On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:19 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> But better news: Zombies will buy anything. We'll be rich.


I think the average zombie has far less money than my average bankruptcy
client . . . they always seem to get cheated by the prior merchant.

Zombie:  uhh. [puts down $100 and a small jar of mouthwash]
Merchant:  Hey, look!  leaky brains!
Zombie: [spins slowly . .  ]
Merchant: [puts down receipt and 47 cents change]
Zombie: [ . . . turns back, picks up stuff, and leaves]



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Re: Storing and object reference in a var

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 1/24/17 6:12 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:



On 25 Jan 2017, at 10:58 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
 wrote:

Good news:  In v10 the LiveCode language will be reduced to a
single command, "build", which will automatically build whatever
you're imagining.

Bad news:  Requirements for the new interface include a
state-issued mind-reading dongle inserted into your cerebral
cortex, which will grant backdoor access by officials (for your
protection, of course).


Even worse news: The company supplying the mind-reading dongles will
be bought out by a company with an injectable nanobot replacement.
They only need the government contract so promptly brick all the
dongles which has the unfortunate side effect of causing the zombie
apocalypse.


But better news: Zombies will buy anything. We'll be rich.

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Re: Storing and object reference in a var

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 25 Jan 2017, at 10:58 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good news:  In v10 the LiveCode language will be reduced to a single command, 
> "build", which will automatically build whatever you're imagining.
> 
> Bad news:  Requirements for the new interface include a state-issued 
> mind-reading dongle inserted into your cerebral cortex, which will grant 
> backdoor access by officials (for your protection, of course).

Even worse news: The company supplying the mind-reading dongles will be bought 
out by a company with an injectable nanobot replacement. They only need the 
government contract so promptly brick all the dongles which has the unfortunate 
side effect of causing the zombie apocalypse.
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Re: Storing and object reference in a var

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 14:57 , Monte Goulding wrote:
>
> You are writing ambiguous code and the engine can’t read your mind ;-)
>
> Not until V10 anyways.

Good news:  In v10 the LiveCode language will be reduced to a single 
command, "build", which will automatically build whatever you're imagining.


Bad news:  Requirements for the new interface include a state-issued 
mind-reading dongle inserted into your cerebral cortex, which will grant 
backdoor access by officials (for your protection, of course).


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Re: Storing and object reference in a var

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

On Jan 24, 2017, at 14:57 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode 
> wrote:

You are writing ambiguous code and the engine can’t read your mind ;-)

Not until V10 anyways.

Bob S


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Re: Storing and object reference in a var

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 25 Jan 2017, at 9:53 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> put the long id of fld "daily-lesson-text" into tTargetField
> put "Hello" into tTargetField
> 
> what am I doing wrong?

You are writing ambiguous code and the engine can’t read your mind ;-)

Try:

set the text of tTargetField to “Hello”

Cheers

Monte
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Storing and object reference in a var

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

I have scripts supplied by others, that seem to work where the long id of an 
object is stored in a variable and then you can refer to that object with a 
single var-name

But I can't get this to work

put the long id of fld "daily-lesson-text" into tTargetField
put "Hello" into tTargetField

what am I doing wrong?

BR
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Re: How to lose your work in a couple of clicks (dirty flag)

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Ralph DiMola wrote:

> I see this as a departure from other SW. I read "Don’t save" as
> "Don't save now" not as "Don't save ever".

I don't see those.  When I make a standalone on a stack with unsaved 
changes, the options I see are "Don't Save", "Cancel", and "Save".



> I just made my first non-mobile standalone(since 2012) just the other
> day. And I was surprised to see the stack get closed and get
> re-opened as JLG documented. At the time I thought the IDE went crazy
> but every other desktop build did the same thing and I said to myself
> "Hmmm, that's interesting...". Stacks don't get closed on mobile
> builds. Maybe that is why I was confused.

The MC IDE's Standalone Builder would build in-place, without needing to 
close and re-open.  But this was because it was much more limited, since 
the LC SB allows options for making all sorts of changes to the stack 
file before building, requiring that the build actually happens on a 
copy and not the original you're working on.


That said, as I noted here a few weeks ago some testing I'd done 
revealed that there's actually no problem within the engine with having 
two stacks open with the same name, but there is a limitation with the 
algo the topstack function uses which can produce odd results in an 
otherwise beautiful and simple system.

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18793

While that's under review, the current SB will close the stack you're 
working on, build the standalone from an invisible copy, then re-open 
when it's done.


Yes, not how consumer apps work, but then again end-users aren't tasked 
with building standalones, so there are many ways the operations LC 
supports requires a different UI/UX than end-user software.


The main thing is that the save prompt seems to do what we're asking of 
it, either saving or discarding changes according to the option we choose.



>> Workflow question: under what circumstances do you find it useful
>> to build a standalone that doesn't reflect the >current state of
>> the stack?
>
> I see your point Richard and can’t come up with a very useful
> scenario, but one could click the wrong button whilst in the middle
> of a hot-fix panic.

Not so much a point, but an honest question.  We all do things 
differently, and sometimes there can be good reasons for folks wanting 
to do something that's different from how I do things.


For myself, I have a habit of hitting the Enter key when I see that 
dialog, so I've managed to compensate for the risks introduced by my fat 
fingers. :)


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Re: OT: Flash tablet

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Just sent them a message. Fingers crossed. (Found a firmware that MIGHT be
the one, but I suspect guessing wrong can turn a minor brick into a
permanent cinderblock)

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> You can also use serv...@allwinnertech.com  com> to contact them.
>
>
> > Am 24.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
> >
> > Amazing.  Submitting a message using their form gives me this..
> > ERROR: READ TIMEOUT
> > --
> > Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:01:49 GMT (taikoo/BC34_yd-yunnan-kunming-1-cache-1)
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Mike Bonner  > wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, I've been googling for about 2 hours trying to find the right rom
> >> that isn't a scam.  *sigh*  Yep. I'll contact support and see what they
> can
> >> do.The thing arrived yesterday, and is not working today. (they did
> try
> >> to fix it on their own by doing a factory reset.. twice.  Now it won't
> even
> >> do that and hangs at the kitkat screen.  A kind wonder if the shut it
> down
> >> in the middle of the reset some way, though most likely its because its
> a
> >> junk tablet that decided to hork chunks)
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If it were mine, I would try to get a rom from the original
> manufacturers
> >>> site, if possible.
> >>>
> >>> I found this just by googling...
> >>>
> >>> http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/ <
> http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/>
> >>>
> >>> ~Roger
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 24, 2017 4:04 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no
> go.)
> >>> I
> >>> think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a
> site
> >>> with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info,
> >>> its
> >>> an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't
> trust
> >>> most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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Re: OT: Flash tablet

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

You can also use serv...@allwinnertech.com  
to contact them.


> Am 24.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Amazing.  Submitting a message using their form gives me this..
> ERROR: READ TIMEOUT
> --
> Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:01:49 GMT (taikoo/BC34_yd-yunnan-kunming-1-cache-1)
> 
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Mike Bonner  > wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, I've been googling for about 2 hours trying to find the right rom
>> that isn't a scam.  *sigh*  Yep. I'll contact support and see what they can
>> do.The thing arrived yesterday, and is not working today. (they did try
>> to fix it on their own by doing a factory reset.. twice.  Now it won't even
>> do that and hangs at the kitkat screen.  A kind wonder if the shut it down
>> in the middle of the reset some way, though most likely its because its a
>> junk tablet that decided to hork chunks)
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > wrote:
>> 
>>> If it were mine, I would try to get a rom from the original manufacturers
>>> site, if possible.
>>> 
>>> I found this just by googling...
>>> 
>>> http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/ 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ~Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2017 4:04 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no go.)
>>> I
>>> think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a site
>>> with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info,
>>> its
>>> an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't trust
>>> most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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Re: OT: Flash tablet

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Amazing.  Submitting a message using their form gives me this..
ERROR: READ TIMEOUT
--
Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:01:49 GMT (taikoo/BC34_yd-yunnan-kunming-1-cache-1)

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> Yeah, I've been googling for about 2 hours trying to find the right rom
> that isn't a scam.  *sigh*  Yep. I'll contact support and see what they can
> do.The thing arrived yesterday, and is not working today. (they did try
> to fix it on their own by doing a factory reset.. twice.  Now it won't even
> do that and hangs at the kitkat screen.  A kind wonder if the shut it down
> in the middle of the reset some way, though most likely its because its a
> junk tablet that decided to hork chunks)
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> If it were mine, I would try to get a rom from the original manufacturers
>> site, if possible.
>>
>> I found this just by googling...
>>
>> http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2017 4:04 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no go.)
>> I
>> think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a site
>> with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info,
>> its
>> an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't trust
>> most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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Re: OT: Flash tablet

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Yeah, I've been googling for about 2 hours trying to find the right rom
that isn't a scam.  *sigh*  Yep. I'll contact support and see what they can
do.The thing arrived yesterday, and is not working today. (they did try
to fix it on their own by doing a factory reset.. twice.  Now it won't even
do that and hangs at the kitkat screen.  A kind wonder if the shut it down
in the middle of the reset some way, though most likely its because its a
junk tablet that decided to hork chunks)

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If it were mine, I would try to get a rom from the original manufacturers
> site, if possible.
>
> I found this just by googling...
>
> http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2017 4:04 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no go.)  I
> think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a site
> with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info, its
> an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't trust
> most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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Re: OT: Flash tablet

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I don't see any downloads on their website.  You can contact their support
here:  http://www.allwinnertech.com/index.php?c=message

~Roger


On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Roger Eller 
wrote:

> Oh, I see what you mean now.  That particular model is very hard to find
> now.  When I buy a cheap unknown device, I usually try to get the original
> ROM while it is new, and save it away for the dreaded day.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Roger Eller 
> wrote:
>
>> If it were mine, I would try to get a rom from the original manufacturers
>> site, if possible.
>>
>> I found this just by googling...
>>
>> http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2017 4:04 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no go.)
>> I
>> think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a site
>> with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info,
>> its
>> an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't trust
>> most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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Re: 8.1.3 (RC1) Invoking Script Editor Failing Everywhere

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

> I need the updates in 8.1.3 (RC1) so took  the leap.
>
> IDE is problematic… deleted my prefs before opening… but now
>
> -- the pointer tool icon does not change from browse to pointer…
> -- switching to the pointer too and double clicking on a button runs
>the button script instead of just selecting the button.  (it used
>to open the property inspector for the selected group/object.)

Those sound like the pointer tool is not active, either because the 
stack is in a non-editable mode or because the mouse is over a control 
that has its cantSelect property set to true.



> -- cmd-opt click will not cause the script editor open;  (yes, I have
>it set in the preferences to do that, but it's not working)

It works, but has been finicky for the last several builds.  I haven't 
reported it because it seems intermittent here, and I prefer to report 
only reproducible recipes.  If that's consistent for you please report it.


> -- from the Project Browser, double clicking on in the icon with the
>number of lines in a script does not invoke that script in the SE
> -- opening the PI for an object with an assigne behavior: click "edit
> script" the script for the assigne behavior does not open

I'm unable to reproduce those last two; both work as expected here.

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Re: OT: Flash tablet

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Oh, I see what you mean now.  That particular model is very hard to find
now.  When I buy a cheap unknown device, I usually try to get the original
ROM while it is new, and save it away for the dreaded day.

~Roger


On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Roger Eller 
wrote:

> If it were mine, I would try to get a rom from the original manufacturers
> site, if possible.
>
> I found this just by googling...
>
> http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2017 4:04 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no go.)  I
> think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a site
> with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info, its
> an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't trust
> most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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Re: OT: Flash tablet

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

If it were mine, I would try to get a rom from the original manufacturers
site, if possible.

I found this just by googling...

http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/

~Roger


On Jan 24, 2017 4:04 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no go.)  I
think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a site
with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info, its
an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't trust
most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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8.1.3 (RC1) Invoking Script Editor Failing Everywhere

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

I need the updates in 8.1.3 (RC1) so took  the leap.

IDE is problematic… deleted my prefs before opening… but now

-- the point ertool icon does not change from browse to pointer…
-- switching to the pointer too and double clicking on a button runs the button 
script instead of just selecting the button.  (it used to open the property 
inspector for the selected group/object.)
-- cmd-opt click will not cause the script editor open;  (yes, I have it set in 
the preferences to do that, but it's not working)
-- from the Project Browser, double clicking on in the icon with the number of 
lines in a script does not invoke that script in the SE
-- opening the PI for an object with an assigne behavior: click "edit script" 
the script for the assigne behavior does not open

Help!

BR



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Re: How to lose your work in a couple of clicks (dirty flag)

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

The first time I saw that I got a little panicky too. So now I just always save 
before saving as standalone. 

Bob S


> On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:57 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I see this as a departure from other SW. I read "Don’t save" as "Don't save 
> now" not as "Don't save ever". I just made my first non-mobile 
> standalone(since 2012) just the other day. And I was surprised to see the 
> stack get closed and get re-opened as JLG documented. At the time I thought 
> the IDE went crazy but every other desktop build did the same thing and I 
> said to myself "Hmmm, that's interesting...". Stacks don't get closed on 
> mobile builds. Maybe that is why I was confused. 
> 
>> Workflow question: under what circumstances do you find it useful to build a 
>> standalone that doesn't reflect the >current state of the stack?
> 
> I see your point Richard and can’t come up with a very useful scenario, but 
> one could click the wrong button whilst in the middle of a hot-fix panic. I 
> call this (and any time you have fat fingers) a "Hot Key Nightmare". Maybe 
> the "Don't save" button should read "Don't ever save" or eliminate the "Don’t 
> Save" option completely.
> 
> If this is the way it is then so be it. But at minimum I think that LC should 
> either remove the "Don’t save" option or present an additional warning to the 
> user so newbies don't get bit and the more experienced user gets a chance to 
> reverse a "Hot Key Nightmare" so work(and time) is not lost.
> 

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OT: Flash tablet

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no go.)  I
think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a site
with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info, its
an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't trust
most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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RE: How to lose your work in a couple of clicks (dirty flag)

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I see this as a departure from other SW. I read "Don’t save" as "Don't save 
now" not as "Don't save ever". I just made my first non-mobile standalone(since 
2012) just the other day. And I was surprised to see the stack get closed and 
get re-opened as JLG documented. At the time I thought the IDE went crazy but 
every other desktop build did the same thing and I said to myself "Hmmm, that's 
interesting...". Stacks don't get closed on mobile builds. Maybe that is why I 
was confused. 

>Workflow question: under what circumstances do you find it useful to build a 
>standalone that doesn't reflect the >current state of the stack?

I see your point Richard and can’t come up with a very useful scenario, but one 
could click the wrong button whilst in the middle of a hot-fix panic. I call 
this (and any time you have fat fingers) a "Hot Key Nightmare". Maybe the 
"Don't save" button should read "Don't ever save" or eliminate the "Don’t Save" 
option completely.

If this is the way it is then so be it. But at minimum I think that LC should 
either remove the "Don’t save" option or present an additional warning to the 
user so newbies don't get bit and the more experienced user gets a chance to 
reverse a "Hot Key Nightmare" so work(and time) is not lost.

2 cents...

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
Cell: 518-796-9332


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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 1:07 PM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Richard Gaskin
Subject: Re: How to lose your work in a couple of clicks (dirty flag)

Ralph DiMola wrote:

 > 4) When presented with the "Save/Cancel/Don’t save" dialog, click on  > the 
 > "Don't save" option.
 > 5) Exit the IDE and you will not get the options to save your stack  > 
 > because the "Don’t save" option clears the "Dirty" flag.

Unless you've made changes between the time the stack was closed and re-opened 
to make the standalone and when you later closed the stack, what should it do 
after you'd already told it to discard the earlier changes?

Workflow question: under what circumstances do you find it useful to build a 
standalone that doesn't reflect the current state of the stack?

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  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  
  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: How to lose your work in a couple of clicks (dirty flag)

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Ralph DiMola wrote:

> 4) When presented with the "Save/Cancel/Don’t save" dialog, click on
> the "Don't save" option.
> 5) Exit the IDE and you will not get the options to save your stack
> because the "Don’t save" option clears the "Dirty" flag.

Unless you've made changes between the time the stack was closed and 
re-opened to make the standalone and when you later closed the stack, 
what should it do after you'd already told it to discard the earlier 
changes?


Workflow question: under what circumstances do you find it useful to 
build a standalone that doesn't reflect the current state of the stack?


--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: How to lose your work in a couple of clicks (dirty flag)

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 1/24/17 11:50 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

I have been poking around in the IDE stacks and found this. I think it's a bug 
but wanted to run it up the ol' flag pole with the list first before I submit a 
bug report.

Recipe:
1) Open a stack.
2) Make a small change.
3) Build a standalone.
4) When presented with the "Save/Cancel/Don’t save" dialog, click on the "Don't 
save" option.
5) Exit the IDE and you will not get the options to save your stack because the "Don’t 
save" option clears the "Dirty" flag.
6) Re-open the stack in the IDE and observe that your change(s) are not there.

Expected result: User should be present with the option to save the stack when 
exiting the IDE.
Observed result: The user is not asked to save the stack when exiting the IDE.

When the "Cancel" option is selected the "dirty flag is not cleared as I would expect but 
"Don't save" clears it. I think this is wrong. Even if you don't choose to save at that moment The IDE 
should leave the stack marked as "dirty". I could see someone inadvertently losing a lot of work.


This is documented briefly in the dictionary under "savingStandalone". 
When a standalone is made, the stack is closed and removed from memory. 
After it's built, it is re-opened. If you don't save beforehand, changes 
are lost. I think that's just how it has to be.


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RE: How to lose your work in a couple of clicks (dirty flag)

[Jim MacConnell via use-livecode]

Yep..

Yours,
A slow learner

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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Mark Talluto via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 10:00 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Mark Talluto
Subject: Re: How to lose your work in a couple of clicks (dirty flag)


> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been poking around in the IDE stacks and found this. I think it's a 
> bug but wanted to run it up the ol' flag pole with the list first before I 
> submit a bug report.
> 
> Recipe:
> 1) Open a stack.
> 2) Make a small change.
> 3) Build a standalone.
> 4) When presented with the "Save/Cancel/Don’t save" dialog, click on the 
> "Don't save" option.
> 5) Exit the IDE and you will not get the options to save your stack because 
> the "Don’t save" option clears the "Dirty" flag.
> 6) Re-open the stack in the IDE and observe that your change(s) are not there.
> 
> Expected result: User should be present with the option to save the stack 
> when exiting the IDE.
> Observed result: The user is not asked to save the stack when exiting the IDE.
> 
> When the "Cancel" option is selected the "dirty flag is not cleared as I 
> would expect but "Don't save" clears it. I think this is wrong. Even if you 
> don't choose to save at that moment The IDE should leave the stack marked as 
> "dirty". I could see someone inadvertently losing a lot of work.

I agree that this could bite someone. I have never run into it myself because I 
always save before building the standalone. But, it could be argued that 
someone would want to save after building the standalone, forget to do so, quit 
the IDE and not be offered the save dialog again, and lose some work.


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io
canelasoftware.com




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Re: How to lose your work in a couple of clicks (dirty flag)

[Mark Talluto via use-livecode]

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been poking around in the IDE stacks and found this. I think it's a 
> bug but wanted to run it up the ol' flag pole with the list first before I 
> submit a bug report.
> 
> Recipe:
> 1) Open a stack.
> 2) Make a small change.
> 3) Build a standalone.
> 4) When presented with the "Save/Cancel/Don’t save" dialog, click on the 
> "Don't save" option.
> 5) Exit the IDE and you will not get the options to save your stack because 
> the "Don’t save" option clears the "Dirty" flag.
> 6) Re-open the stack in the IDE and observe that your change(s) are not there.
> 
> Expected result: User should be present with the option to save the stack 
> when exiting the IDE.
> Observed result: The user is not asked to save the stack when exiting the IDE.
> 
> When the "Cancel" option is selected the "dirty flag is not cleared as I 
> would expect but "Don't save" clears it. I think this is wrong. Even if you 
> don't choose to save at that moment The IDE should leave the stack marked as 
> "dirty". I could see someone inadvertently losing a lot of work.

I agree that this could bite someone. I have never run into it myself because I 
always save before building the standalone. But, it could be argued that 
someone would want to save after building the standalone, forget to do so, quit 
the IDE and not be offered the save dialog again, and lose some work.


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io
canelasoftware.com




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How to lose your work in a couple of clicks (dirty flag)

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I have been poking around in the IDE stacks and found this. I think it's a bug 
but wanted to run it up the ol' flag pole with the list first before I submit a 
bug report.

Recipe:
1) Open a stack.
2) Make a small change.
3) Build a standalone.
4) When presented with the "Save/Cancel/Don’t save" dialog, click on the "Don't 
save" option.
5) Exit the IDE and you will not get the options to save your stack because the 
"Don’t save" option clears the "Dirty" flag.
6) Re-open the stack in the IDE and observe that your change(s) are not there.

Expected result: User should be present with the option to save the stack when 
exiting the IDE.
Observed result: The user is not asked to save the stack when exiting the IDE.

When the "Cancel" option is selected the "dirty flag is not cleared as I would 
expect but "Don't save" clears it. I think this is wrong. Even if you don't 
choose to save at that moment The IDE should leave the stack marked as "dirty". 
I could see someone inadvertently losing a lot of work.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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