Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Hmm, interesting

try this

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg  # in firefox; chrome; LC 
browser widget

result:

 Firefox renders the gradients.
Chrome and the LC browser widget render some place holder in the same space.


On 1/29/17, 11:41 AM, "BNig via use-livecode"  
wrote:

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg

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Launch URL with LInk Back to LC App

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Use case is: multiple apps and the local  mobile browser, all in a navigable 
ecosystem on small devices.

on iOS, you can make an app that does this

1) Open to home screen
2) go to card "Virtual Tours"
3) click on "Gardens"
4) go to another card name "gardens" (just an example)
5) click a button that has a script like

On  mouseup
launch url http://www.kauai-botanical-gardens.com
end mouseup

Ok build, load and run on the iPhone…

if you click through in the app to card gardens and click on the link and it 
takes you to Safari on iPHone and Chrome on Android.

in iOS you will get a small "< MyApp" in the upper left corner of Safari. 
Android of course has it's default back button.

on iOS if you click that button  "

Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

@ Bernd  It's good to hear there is some progress! thanks for testing.  I will 
look into Peter's files but also hope for the day when this is in the product. 

@ Richard, No, as you can see they will not display in the widget.  But here 
appears to be hope. I was not aware of the big shift over to SKIA (nor do I 
really know the scope of what that means in terms of future possibilities)

I'll do a small test loading these into a browser widget..

 

On 1/29/17, 11:41 AM, "BNig via use-livecode"  
wrote:

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

 > OK, one more SVG example (I believe that's what you were asking for)
 >
 > now you have three
 >
 > http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/floor-plan.svg # not responsive, but
 > could be
 >
 > http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg
 ># not responsive, but could be (though that's not wanted in this
 > scenario
 ># imagine a "map world" you could explore…so it stays full size,
 > user zooms in and out and swipes
 >
 > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/assets/img/khm-logo-full-horizontal.svg

Do those render in LC's SVG widget?


 > So is SKIA in LC's future?

Skia replaced LC's older graphics subsystem many versions ago (5.x?). 
They did such a good job that most folks never noticed.  But where you 
see new capabilities like the SVG widget, those are among the many 
upsides of having switched to this popular graphics system.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin


Peter Thirkell posted a -lcb file that has to be compiled using the
Extension Builder that he uses to display simple color SVGs. No gradients
and no advanced features of SVG.
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=27811=150208#p150208
He parses svg export from Affinity Designer.

That said I scraped two of the above mentioned SVGs, after exporting them
from Affinity Designer I was able to feed the logo to Peter's hacked SVG
Color widget and it displayed fully. Rescalable and everything.

The floor plan lost the annotational text and some fills (because of
gradients) but otherwise rendered ok.

I did not attempt to use the SivaSivaDiagramm because the source code was
full of things Peter's widget can not display.

I recommend anybody interested in widgets to look at Peter's .lcb file and
especially appreciate his parsing handlers.

That all said what the svg widget is lacking is a more advanced svg parser
beyond black and white and transparency. Mark Waddingham had started on
implementing an open source parser but apparently Infinite Livecode kept him
from finishing it yet.
https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/3089

Kind regards
Bernd



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Re: Dirty HTTP Launch

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Most likely you have an extraneous cr at the end of the url, and its
showing as html encoded.  If thats the case, before you
encode/launch/whatever, remove the cr and it should go away.


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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Livecoders,
>
> I have a license file generated by PHP and when I bring it into LC I parse
> it for data. should be easy right?
>
> So I parse an http link and upon the using launch url command, I realize
> there is garbage at the end of the URL... the end of line "%0d" garbage to
> be exact.
>
> Anyone know how to clean this? it doesn't apprear at the end of the
> variable that i am using to store the http URL...just appears after the
> launch url command.
>
> Thanks for any help on this
>
> Tom
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Dirty HTTP Launch

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi Livecoders,

I have a license file generated by PHP and when I bring it into LC I parse
it for data. should be easy right?

So I parse an http link and upon the using launch url command, I realize
there is garbage at the end of the URL... the end of line "%0d" garbage to
be exact.

Anyone know how to clean this? it doesn't apprear at the end of the
variable that i am using to store the http URL...just appears after the
launch url command.

Thanks for any help on this

Tom
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Re: Delete element from array

[jameshale via use-livecode]

Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote
> Others can please chime in here… I'm not sure exactly why the new
> dictionary is "irritating" but it is. 
> 
> let's say I want to see all the properties for buttons. I think the old
> dictionary gave us that option.
> 
> Now if I click on "association "button"  and click type "properties" I get
> the button props, but the top window on the right only shows a only a few

Not sure what you mean. When I click on the Type "properties" and
Associations "Button" I get a list of 116 item in the top right hand window
of the dictionary. Of course only the first 22 are showing and to see the
rest I need to scroll the list. Perhaps if the font was smaller you would
see more items at one time but to say they are not all there. If you compare
the LC8 with the LC6 dictionary under these circumstances you will notice
the absence of some items. As far as I can tell they appear to be synonyms
for existing terms. For example the entry for "accelKey" is not in LC8+ as a
seperate entry but is listed as a synonym for "acceleratorKey".

Typing "accel" into the search box on LC6 will display 6 items. On LC8 only
3 as the extra 3 items under LC6 are synonyms of the three items shared with
LC8+.

So I guess on change to bring the LC8+ dictionary up to par with the old one
would be to duplicate all the entries that are synonyms. Not sure if that
would be wise, although having synonyms show up would be nice.




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Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[BNig via use-livecode]

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

 > OK, one more SVG example (I believe that's what you were asking for)
 >
 > now you have three
 >
 > http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/floor-plan.svg # not responsive, but
 > could be
 >
 > http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg
 ># not responsive, but could be (though that's not wanted in this
 > scenario
 ># imagine a "map world" you could explore…so it stays full size,
 > user zooms in and out and swipes
 >
 > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/assets/img/khm-logo-full-horizontal.svg

Do those render in LC's SVG widget?


 > So is SKIA in LC's future?

Skia replaced LC's older graphics subsystem many versions ago (5.x?). 
They did such a good job that most folks never noticed.  But where you 
see new capabilities like the SVG widget, those are among the many 
upsides of having switched to this popular graphics system.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin


Peter Thirkell posted a -lcb file that has to be compiled using the
Extension Builder that he uses to display simple color SVGs. No gradients
and no advanced features of SVG.
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=27811=150208#p150208
He parses svg export from Affinity Designer.

That said I scraped two of the above mentioned SVGs, after exporting them
from Affinity Designer I was able to feed the logo to Peter's hacked SVG
Color widget and it displayed fully. Rescalable and everything.

The floor plan lost the annotational text and some fills (because of
gradients) but otherwise rendered ok.

I did not attempt to use the SivaSivaDiagramm because the source code was
full of things Peter's widget can not display.

I recommend anybody interested in widgets to look at Peter's .lcb file and
especially appreciate his parsing handlers.

That all said what the svg widget is lacking is a more advanced svg parser
beyond black and white and transparency. Mark Waddingham had started on
implementing an open source parser but apparently Infinite Livecode kept him
from finishing it yet.
https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/3089

Kind regards
Bernd



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Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

> OK, one more SVG example (I believe that's what you were asking for)
>
> now you have three
>
> http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/floor-plan.svg # not responsive, but
> could be
>
> http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg
># not responsive, but could be (though that's not wanted in this
> scenario
># imagine a "map world" you could explore…so it stays full size,
> user zooms in and out and swipes
>
> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/assets/img/khm-logo-full-horizontal.svg

Do those render in LC's SVG widget?


> So is SKIA in LC's future?

Skia replaced LC's older graphics subsystem many versions ago (5.x?). 
They did such a good job that most folks never noticed.  But where you 
see new capabilities like the SVG widget, those are among the many 
upsides of having switched to this popular graphics system.


--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

> 1) SVG requirements
>
> rendering this would be a minimum. If here is a way to do it now in
> LC let me know
>
> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/assets/img/khm-logo-full-horizontal.svg
>
> resize your browser, it remains perfect!

If the issue that LC won't render the image, or that it does but you 
also want it automatically resized?


If the former, it would be good to know why LC's Skia isn't doing that.

For the latter, see below under 3).


> More robust example… not currently set to resize, (but could be)
>
> http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg

I get:

  This page contains the following errors:
 error on line 353 at column 198: Namespace prefix xlink for
 href on image is not defined
  Below is a rendering of the page up to the first error.


> 2) Yes I am using the browser widget to show pages on our web site.
> Even that has lots of issues, but we are working with it. and HQ has
> been responsive on the issue of thecontent rendering in odd rects..
> though I am still seeing this in 8.1.3  need to do more testing in
> the next few days… we made be forced out to use launch URL and send
> the user off the LC app into the browser app on the phone.. (rather
> not have to do that)

I would imagine the browser widget would provide easier messaging 
integration than dealing with a completely separate app.  If you find 
otherwise I would be interested in learning how to handle those messages 
between apps.



> 3) HTML Integration has two use cases (in my current purview, there
> could be more)
>
>   i. simple views
>
> this can be created in less than 5 minutes the view consists of  a
> few lines
>
> 
> Mangos
> Mangos
> Papayas
> Chiku
> 
>
> touch of CSS and you get this:
>
> http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/gui-eg.html

The "touch of CSS" is longer than the object definitions:

Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

@ Richard.

OK, one more SVG example (I believe that's what you were asking for)

now you have three

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/floor-plan.svg # not responsive, but could be

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg  
   # not responsive, but could be (though that's not wanted in this scenario  
   # imagine a "map world" you could explore…so it stays full size, user zooms 
in and out and swipes
   
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/assets/img/khm-logo-full-horizontal.svg

So is SKIA in LC's future?

Again, I'm not clear about graphics engines issues.

BR

 

On 1/29/17, 8:29 AM, "Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

If that is meant to be a series of mobile phone outlines in a sort of 
flowchart the thing is
viewable, but unlike the Himalayan Academy logo is doesn't scale at all.

Richmond.



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Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

as mentioned… it's not responsive, that was just a quick export, would require 
some tweaking.

and the use case envisioned for larger ones is different: use pinch and zoom 
and swipe to move around and go in on the "map", this means we actually do not 
want it to scale down to fit….



On 1/29/17, 8:29 AM, "Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

If that is meant to be a series of mobile phone outlines in a sort of 
flowchart the thing is
viewable, but unlike the Himalayan Academy logo is doesn't scale at all.

Richmond.



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Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

I forget to give the URL for a complete web app that I was able to put into a 
LC browser widget  (too heavy for delivery becuase of all the audio content, 
but good proof of concept for using the brower widget to drive local html5 
content in the same package: 

www.himalayanacademy.com/apps/spiritual-workout

  - This is a recent app we released, HTML5 done in Ionic/Angular2

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Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

If that is meant to be a series of mobile phone outlines in a sort of 
flowchart the thing is

viewable, but unlike the Himalayan Academy logo is doesn't scale at all.

Richmond.

On 1/29/17 8:25 pm, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

oops sorry, I was trying to make is responsive and broke something

try this now

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg


  


On 1/29/17, 8:14 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

 http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg

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Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

oops sorry, I was trying to make is responsive and broke something

try this now

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg


 

On 1/29/17, 8:14 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Richmond Mathewson via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg

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Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

thanks for these tips… I will try again.



Svasti Astu, Be Well 
Brahmanathaswami

www.himalayanacademy.com

 

On 1/28/17, 6:20 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of hh via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

It's not the LC graphics it's the "jagged" and "uncomplete" scripting.
LC can do much more.

Some basic examples related to the starting animation:
= You use "wait " for animations (!!!) and moreover
  +++ with  far below the refreshrate of the app. 
  +++ with  independent of the device.
= You animate along a random (jagged) line of points ignoring the
  existence of smooth curves.
= You use an image that doesn't even have an antialiased border.



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Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Some problems here . . .

On 1/29/17 7:59 pm, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

Until we hear that HQ is listening or want to know more I'll keep it short

1) SVG requirements

rendering this would be a minimum. If here is a way to do it now in LC let me 
know

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/assets/img/khm-logo-full-horizontal.svg

This is coming up nice and clear in my browser (Waterfox, Mac OS 10.7.5)


resize your browser, it remains perfect!

More robust example… not currently set to resize, (but could be)

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg

This is NOT doing well at all, what I am getting is this:

XML Parsing Error: prefix not bound to a namespace
Location: http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg
Line Number 353, Column 13:xlink:href="Image_23AE112D-1E29-4436-8786-2DA3352AD676_0.png" 
transform="matrix(0.197851,-0.002288,0.002534,0.219176,190.896141,26.273243)" 
width="640.00" height="960.00">

^



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Re: Browser Widget/HTML5/LC Integration

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Until we hear that HQ is listening or want to know more I'll keep it short

1) SVG requirements

rendering this would be a minimum. If here is a way to do it now in LC let me 
know

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/assets/img/khm-logo-full-horizontal.svg

resize your browser, it remains perfect!

More robust example… not currently set to resize, (but could be)  

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/SivaSivaDiagram.svg  

2) Yes I am using the browser widget to show pages on our web site. Even that 
has lots of issues, but we are working with it. and HQ has been responsive on 
the issue of thecontent rendering in odd rects.. though I am still seeing this 
in 8.1.3  need to do more testing in the next few days… we made be forced out 
to use launch URL and send the user off the LC app into the browser app on the 
phone.. (rather not have to do that)

3) HTML Integration has two use cases (in my current purview, there could be 
more)
   
  i. simple views

this can be created in less than 5 minutes the view consists of  a few lines


 Mangos
 Mangos
 Papayas
 Chiku


touch of CSS and you get this:

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/gui-eg.html

responsive, easily tweaked if the content people want another four rows in the 
panel, cut and paste, changing props, sure, it's a text file, but so what… 
change one integer value and all rows change.

This simply cannot be done that easily created in Livecode. (Please don't 
respond with "yes we can make this in LC" I know you can, but to scale change 
and make it responsive change colors on all objects in the group at once etc.. 
you need to be an old xTalk wizard with toolboxes)

  Now if touch events, JS handlers, for a small HTML5 widget/view could talk 
back to LC controllers and models and actually call a function and get the 
return value synchronously then we have a power house  combination… 

build simple gui views in html… robust LC backend.
  
  ii. full web app integration
   - This is a recent app we released, HTML5 done in Ionic/Angular2
   - I can actually copy the core pages/js/css assets and drop them in a 
folder in an LC app and point the browser widget (URL) to the index.html file 
and the app runs perfectly, right inside the browser widget. 
  -- trouble is I can't really get a robust handshaking going on. LC can 
"poke" the app (but get nothing in return) and the web app can "poke" LC (but 
get nothing in return)  and we need more for true integration
   This is more like Jonathan's use case: It's not only about creating views, 
it's also about the possibility of wrapping existing complex web apps in an LC 
framework… but we need the browser widget's javascript handlers to be, 
basically, in the message path up and down.

HQ gave me a quote on doing this, but it's out our budgets, I fishing for 
anyone else who might be interested to pitch in.


 back to work here..

On 1/28/17, 3:45 PM, "Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

> So as not to burden this list which  "use" list and not a "complain"
> list  I have responded to you at length directly.

...ands yet here we are, so we might as well enjoy the discussion.

> 1) the graphics rendering layer of LC is behind the graphics
> rendering layer of the browser

Likely, but since both Chrome and LC use Skia we'd have to look a little 
deeper.

Specifics are helpful.


> 2) an IDE that provides a tool box for super elegant 21st century UI
>  -- smooth, responsive, easy to change the Look/Feel even my attempts
> with AnimationEngine  which is, I believe as good as it's going to
> ever get with LC's engine, have a clunky, jerky feel e.g. try a ken
> burns: move the image while simultaneously increasing is rect in
> proportion. even rotating a ball around a circular path… has this
> subtle "1990" feel to it vs the same thing done with CSS animation
> in the browser. Maybe not an issue for all those whose use case is
> business/systems/tools etc. but in our shop it has to look fabulous
> or the horse is not considered a viable vehicle for the content
> delivery. Period end of discussion.

That's a good use case.  UIs are increasingly animated, so animation 
performance is increasingly useful.

Anyone on the team listening in and can offer some insight into this?


> 3) robust surport for SVG (not just a single color) on top of 1 and 2
> above

What limitations currently exist in the SVG widget?

Let's identify the remaining specifics and see if we can get a plan 
together to handle those.


> Isn’t the dictionary html in a widget? Why? There's one answer to
> your question from HQ itself.

I believe the Dictionary is indeed using the Browser widget.

My question is why, since that content doesn't require 

8.1.3 rc-1 reverting

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

On Macintosh 8.1.3 rc-1 won't let me
revert to the last version saved.

Richmond.
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Re: Dictionary rewrite - thoughts, please

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Definitely, but for those that don't subscribe to the forums, either email
me at one of my addresses or put something here.
Link: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=67=28731

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Would it be possible to move this dicussion over to the forums so we can
> illustrate
> some of our likes and dislikes with screenshots, mockups and so forth?
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 1/29/17 4:01 pm, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I'm finally starting to take a look at redoing, or perhaps undoing the
>> dictionary in 8.  So what do we like in the old, what do we hate in the
>> old, what do we like in the new, what do we hate in the new, and what
>> sorts
>> of wishlist things do we have?
>>
>>
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Re: Dictionary rewrite - thoughts, please

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Would it be possible to move this dicussion over to the forums so we can 
illustrate

some of our likes and dislikes with screenshots, mockups and so forth?

Richmond.

On 1/29/17 4:01 pm, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

I'm finally starting to take a look at redoing, or perhaps undoing the
dictionary in 8.  So what do we like in the old, what do we hate in the
old, what do we like in the new, what do we hate in the new, and what sorts
of wishlist things do we have?



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Dictionary rewrite - thoughts, please

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I'm finally starting to take a look at redoing, or perhaps undoing the
dictionary in 8.  So what do we like in the old, what do we hate in the
old, what do we like in the new, what do we hate in the new, and what sorts
of wishlist things do we have?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."
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[WOT] ReactOS 0.5

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

"WOT" = Way Off Target

Nutty fruitcakes who may have a kinky urge to try out LiveCode 8.1.2 for 
Windows

on ReactOS 0.5 (nightly build) will be happy to hear that that works.

Richmond.
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[OT] Devawriter 2.1 release

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Demo (Beta) versions of Devawriter Pro 2.1 for Windows, Macintosh, Linux 
32-bit and Linux 64-bit.


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1931a18mxpixs2y/AAAzr-M1AQtlELAmAtlwPi4wa?dl=0

Big, big thanks to the LiveCode team for moving "right speedily" with 
the 8.1.3 rc-1 release and sorting

out the mess with the surrogate pair calculations.

Richmond.

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