RE: Ethereal Breakpoints

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I always figured the flood of messages was what locked-up LC when you debug
a resize event. I just fire it off at the command line and then debug the
resizestack code.

When I inadvertently do this and lock-up LC most (90%+) an "F5" or two or
three times gets things going again so you can save the stack. Most times LC
is just fine and you don't need to restart. Using F5 has worked for me since
V4.x on Win XP thru V8.x on Win 10.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:31 PM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Alex Tweedly
Subject: Re: Ethereal Breakpoints

I keep getting caught by this - setting a breakpoint in a handler which is
(indirectly) called from a resizeStack, and LC  gets completely frozen and
needs to be Force-quit.
-- Alex.


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Re: Ethereal Breakpoints

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 25 Jul 2017, at 8:31 am, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> You know, I really wish it could be (even) more helpful : in particular,  
> ignoring breakpoints within handlers called from a resizeStack handler.
> 
> I keep getting caught by this - setting a breakpoint in a handler which is 
> (indirectly) called from a resizeStack, and LC  gets completely frozen and 
> needs to be Force-quit.

Could you bug report this with an example? Both traceBreak and traceError 
iterate the executionContexts checking for moveStack and resizeStack so that 
should cover any handlers called from resizeStack.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: glx2 script editor

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 07/24/2017 12:36 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:


Am i missing something?


No, I somehow managed to upload the wrong file.
Download the zip file again and it should work properly.
Sorry about that. I'm brewing more coffee now.

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Re: Ethereal Breakpoints

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 25 Jul 2017, at 8:37 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> You can debug these using the remote debugger only.
> 
> Does that still work? It never asks me any more.

It should. If it doesn’t for you could you bug report it please.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Something like autoit can probably be set up to automate things.  Set up an
autoit script that does the scrape, then use os scheduling tools to run the
script as often as you like.  I haven't done it in windows in a while, but
I think "at" is deprecated.  Can't recall whats replaced it.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> So... I can make it scrape, then save to a CSV, then read the CSV into LC
> and use the data.  But how to automate the scraping and CSV saving at a
> given interval, I'm not there yet.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > The developer was also helpful when I was running into difficulty writing
> > some of the parameter sets.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Scratch that.  It's amazing what watching the video or reading the docs
> > can
> > > do to enlighten the unenlightened.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Roger Eller <
> > roger.e.el...@sealedair.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I installed the plugin, but am unfamiliar with how to use it.  I
> didn't
> > > > see an obvious way to filter the page down to the current prices I
> want
> > > to
> > > > grab.
> > > >
> > > > ~Roger
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Don't know what to tell you.  I scrape a few hundred thousand pages
> > at a
> > > >> time from multiple sites with this plugin.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > No workie. I create a new sitemap with a URL of
> http://192.168.1.87
> > > and
> > > >> > it tells me it's not a valid URL!!! That is strike 3 for me when I
> > > >> > encounter that kind of problem. Even if I load the full url
> default
> > > page
> > > >> > for that device, then copy paste the URL it STILL tells me it's
> > > invalid.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Bob S
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On Jul 24, 2017, at 06:13 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Roger,
> > > >> > > I use a chrome plugin called "Web Scraper", and then I process
> the
> > > >> CSV in
> > > >> > > LC - then again, I'm usually scraping many many many pages, and
> > this
> > > >> > > automates the process.
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Re: Ethereal Breakpoints

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 7/24/17 4:37 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:

You can debug these using the remote debugger only.


Does that still work? It never asks me any more.

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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: Ethereal Breakpoints

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

On 24/07/2017 22:37, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:

There are some cases where breakpoints are deliberately ignored. Any 
breakpoints when there is modal stack open and in resizeStack and moveStack 
handlers.
You know, I really wish it could be (even) more helpful : in 
particular,  ignoring breakpoints within handlers called from a 
resizeStack handler.


I keep getting caught by this - setting a breakpoint in a handler which 
is (indirectly) called from a resizeStack, and LC  gets completely 
frozen and needs to be Force-quit.


-- Alex.

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Re: [OT]h.264 alternatives

[Mark Talluto via use-livecode]

On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
> 
> > Richard wrote:
> >> Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
> >> > I think the source of the problem that there is no standard codec
> >> > for h.264 on windows is, that LiveCode uses the almost deprecated
> >> > directShow API and not the current Microsoft media foundation API.
> >> > For MMF there probably is a standard codec for h.264 available on
> >> > the  > machine.
> >>
> >> I thought that was remedied with LC's new player object for Windows,
> >> no?
> >
> > No, the "new" player object is based on the old windows API :(
> 
> @LC Team:  Is that correct?  DirectShow is pretty old.  When will the update 
> of the Win player object be completed to include modern APIs?

There is a lot of interesting discussion on the topic of DirectShow vs Media 
Foundation (new API). This link is only one of many. They all conclude pretty 
much the same thing.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33539683/what-is-the-status-of-microsoft-media-foundation
 


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io 
nursenotes.net 
canelasoftware.com 


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Re: Ethereal Breakpoints

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

There are some cases where breakpoints are deliberately ignored. Any 
breakpoints when there is modal stack open and in resizeStack and moveStack 
handlers. You can debug these using the remote debugger only.

Cheers

Monte

> On 25 Jul 2017, at 1:37 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> With me, I place a red dot, find an error in the script, edit the script 
> neither adding nor deleting any lines, save script, red dot does not wander, 
> but also does not break code execution. It just executed past it. 
> 
> I think this started with the unicode update. I will try copying my code to a 
> text only editor then back again, then retest. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 16:55 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not having any trouble with the breakpoints per se but if you edit the 
>> script with the dots in place they tend to migrate. When that happens you 
>> don't always notice and it acts like they aren't working.
>> 
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>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I always start my scrapes manually, so I am no help there with this
plugin.  They all take many hours, so I'm not starting them constantly.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> So... I can make it scrape, then save to a CSV, then read the CSV into LC
> and use the data.  But how to automate the scraping and CSV saving at a
> given interval, I'm not there yet.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > The developer was also helpful when I was running into difficulty writing
> > some of the parameter sets.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Scratch that.  It's amazing what watching the video or reading the docs
> > can
> > > do to enlighten the unenlightened.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Roger Eller <
> > roger.e.el...@sealedair.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I installed the plugin, but am unfamiliar with how to use it.  I
> didn't
> > > > see an obvious way to filter the page down to the current prices I
> want
> > > to
> > > > grab.
> > > >
> > > > ~Roger
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Don't know what to tell you.  I scrape a few hundred thousand pages
> > at a
> > > >> time from multiple sites with this plugin.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > No workie. I create a new sitemap with a URL of
> http://192.168.1.87
> > > and
> > > >> > it tells me it's not a valid URL!!! That is strike 3 for me when I
> > > >> > encounter that kind of problem. Even if I load the full url
> default
> > > page
> > > >> > for that device, then copy paste the URL it STILL tells me it's
> > > invalid.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Bob S
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On Jul 24, 2017, at 06:13 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Roger,
> > > >> > > I use a chrome plugin called "Web Scraper", and then I process
> the
> > > >> CSV in
> > > >> > > LC - then again, I'm usually scraping many many many pages, and
> > this
> > > >> > > automates the process.
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

So... I can make it scrape, then save to a CSV, then read the CSV into LC
and use the data.  But how to automate the scraping and CSV saving at a
given interval, I'm not there yet.

~Roger


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The developer was also helpful when I was running into difficulty writing
> some of the parameter sets.
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Scratch that.  It's amazing what watching the video or reading the docs
> can
> > do to enlighten the unenlightened.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Roger Eller <
> roger.e.el...@sealedair.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I installed the plugin, but am unfamiliar with how to use it.  I didn't
> > > see an obvious way to filter the page down to the current prices I want
> > to
> > > grab.
> > >
> > > ~Roger
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Don't know what to tell you.  I scrape a few hundred thousand pages
> at a
> > >> time from multiple sites with this plugin.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > No workie. I create a new sitemap with a URL of http://192.168.1.87
> > and
> > >> > it tells me it's not a valid URL!!! That is strike 3 for me when I
> > >> > encounter that kind of problem. Even if I load the full url default
> > page
> > >> > for that device, then copy paste the URL it STILL tells me it's
> > invalid.
> > >> >
> > >> > Bob S
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Jul 24, 2017, at 06:13 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Roger,
> > >> > > I use a chrome plugin called "Web Scraper", and then I process the
> > >> CSV in
> > >> > > LC - then again, I'm usually scraping many many many pages, and
> this
> > >> > > automates the process.
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

The developer was also helpful when I was running into difficulty writing
some of the parameter sets.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Scratch that.  It's amazing what watching the video or reading the docs can
> do to enlighten the unenlightened.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Roger Eller 
> wrote:
>
> > I installed the plugin, but am unfamiliar with how to use it.  I didn't
> > see an obvious way to filter the page down to the current prices I want
> to
> > grab.
> >
> > ~Roger
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Don't know what to tell you.  I scrape a few hundred thousand pages at a
> >> time from multiple sites with this plugin.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > No workie. I create a new sitemap with a URL of http://192.168.1.87
> and
> >> > it tells me it's not a valid URL!!! That is strike 3 for me when I
> >> > encounter that kind of problem. Even if I load the full url default
> page
> >> > for that device, then copy paste the URL it STILL tells me it's
> invalid.
> >> >
> >> > Bob S
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On Jul 24, 2017, at 06:13 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Roger,
> >> > > I use a chrome plugin called "Web Scraper", and then I process the
> >> CSV in
> >> > > LC - then again, I'm usually scraping many many many pages, and this
> >> > > automates the process.
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Scratch that.  It's amazing what watching the video or reading the docs can
do to enlighten the unenlightened.


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Roger Eller 
wrote:

> I installed the plugin, but am unfamiliar with how to use it.  I didn't
> see an obvious way to filter the page down to the current prices I want to
> grab.
>
> ~Roger
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't know what to tell you.  I scrape a few hundred thousand pages at a
>> time from multiple sites with this plugin.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > No workie. I create a new sitemap with a URL of http://192.168.1.87 and
>> > it tells me it's not a valid URL!!! That is strike 3 for me when I
>> > encounter that kind of problem. Even if I load the full url default page
>> > for that device, then copy paste the URL it STILL tells me it's invalid.
>> >
>> > Bob S
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Jul 24, 2017, at 06:13 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Roger,
>> > > I use a chrome plugin called "Web Scraper", and then I process the
>> CSV in
>> > > LC - then again, I'm usually scraping many many many pages, and this
>> > > automates the process.
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Re: glx2 script editor

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Mark,

i haven´t used GLX2 for  a long time. Your post made me to use it again.

I tried it now with LC8.1.5, 8.1.6RC2 and 9 DP8. In all cases i see the GLX bar 
under the LC menubar, but i get it not to work that the GLX script editor opens.
What i noticed so far is, even if i click on the right GLX  to enable/disable 
the editor, the prefs file is not created in the plugins folder.

Am i missing something?

Regards,

Matthias


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> Am 24.07.2017 um 20:44 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> ...and I realize now that I haven't updated the repository for a while, so I 
> just posted the latest build to:
> 
> 
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I installed the plugin, but am unfamiliar with how to use it.  I didn't see
an obvious way to filter the page down to the current prices I want to grab.

~Roger

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Don't know what to tell you.  I scrape a few hundred thousand pages at a
> time from multiple sites with this plugin.
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > No workie. I create a new sitemap with a URL of http://192.168.1.87 and
> > it tells me it's not a valid URL!!! That is strike 3 for me when I
> > encounter that kind of problem. Even if I load the full url default page
> > for that device, then copy paste the URL it STILL tells me it's invalid.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 24, 2017, at 06:13 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Roger,
> > > I use a chrome plugin called "Web Scraper", and then I process the CSV
> in
> > > LC - then again, I'm usually scraping many many many pages, and this
> > > automates the process.
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glx2 script editor

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

...and I realize now that I haven't updated the repository for a while, 
so I just posted the latest build to:


https://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2/downloads/

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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Don't know what to tell you.  I scrape a few hundred thousand pages at a
time from multiple sites with this plugin.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> No workie. I create a new sitemap with a URL of http://192.168.1.87 and
> it tells me it's not a valid URL!!! That is strike 3 for me when I
> encounter that kind of problem. Even if I load the full url default page
> for that device, then copy paste the URL it STILL tells me it's invalid.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 24, 2017, at 06:13 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Roger,
> > I use a chrome plugin called "Web Scraper", and then I process the CSV in
> > LC - then again, I'm usually scraping many many many pages, and this
> > automates the process.
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Re: 64 Bit iOS Apps

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2017-07-24 17:16, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode wrote:

Apple - "When Apple launches iOS 11 in September, the company will drop
support for old 32-bit applications"

We have some apps still on LiveCode version 7.14. Is this ONLY 32 bit 
or is

it 64Bit? Will the App die if my users upgrade to iOS 11?


ARM64 support for iOS was added in LiveCode 7.0.2 and 6.7.2.

So *hopefully* all should be well for your existing apps.

However, as with all upgrades to iOS we strongly recommend you 
explicitly test you apps in iOS 11 to make sure there are not other 
problems caused by changes Apple may have made in that release.


Warmest Regards,

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Re: AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

[Warren Samples via use-livecode]

On 07/24/2017 02:54 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode wrote:

Last year I asked Sorenson media if I have to pay license fees, using the h.264 
codec and got the following answer from Sorenson:
"No, you do not need to pay any license fees to use any codecs included in Squeeze. 
Sorenson Media pays any license fees necessary for all the codecs contained in Squeeze. 
Once you have encoded your video with a licensed product, like Squeeze, you will never 
need to pay any licensing fees again."
I assume that’s the same using other compressing tools
Tiemo



There is so much confusion regarding licenses! Ironically one of the 
main purposes of the MPEG-LA group is to simplify licensing for users 
and distributors by centralizing the process.


From suspect amateur legal advice from internet forum "experts", opaque 
and/or seemingly non-complimentary statements from software distributors 
and MPEG-LA itself, and the lack of comprehensive definitive 
information, it's really hard for someone interested in getting it 
"right" to know what to do without hiring expensive attorneys.


Regarding the ENCODER distributed with device OSs and software, 
including professional software, whose EULAs state that use of the 
encoder has only been licensed for personal and non-commercial use; it 
seems from what the MPEG-LA says that this does not mean there is 
another level of license required to use the software in professional 
production. It points to the possible necessity of royalty payments for 
finished content distribution. Please see:




 and:

 
(This is a very long back and forth, you have to read all of it to 
gather all the information.)


The distribution of encoded content is completely separate from the 
encoder issue. Content distributors might be wise to request a license 
even if their usage does not trigger royalty payments. 
http://www.mpegla.com/main/default.aspx


Sorenson has not paid, nor could it begin to calculate how to pay any 
royalties due on content distributed by its own users, but it is clear 
you don't have to pay any additional fee simply to use Squeeze to 
produce content for paid distribution. (According to the MPEG-LA 
licensing associate.) You could be required to pay to distribute that 
content depending on your circumstances.


When distributing content via YouTube for exaqmple, MPEG-LA view YouTube 
as the distributor and liable for any licensing fees, not the content 
creator. (Again, according to the MPEG-LA licensing associate.)


I hope this was helpful but I make no promises :)

Warren


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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

No workie. I create a new sitemap with a URL of http://192.168.1.87 and it 
tells me it's not a valid URL!!! That is strike 3 for me when I encounter that 
kind of problem. Even if I load the full url default page for that device, then 
copy paste the URL it STILL tells me it's invalid. 

Bob S


> On Jul 24, 2017, at 06:13 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Roger,
> I use a chrome plugin called "Web Scraper", and then I process the CSV in
> LC - then again, I'm usually scraping many many many pages, and this
> automates the process.
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I have tried this before and it does not work without getting into Javascript. 
The contents of a java object are not revealed in the htmltext. I have a really 
great application for this if I could get it going. I would love to write an 
app  that gathered all the pertinent data from a web managed device (like the 
copiers I work with day to day) and save it to some kind of file so it could be 
one-click restored at some later point (like when we have to replace the hard 
drives). 

Bob S


> On Jul 24, 2017, at 06:23 , hh via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Roger E. wrote:
>> Is there a browser widget command that will do it?
> 
> (Yet another option):
> 
> YES.
> 
> Set the URL of a browser widget to https://www.coinbase.com/charts
> and get (via a timer) the htmltext of the browser widget. This is the
> _generated_ source.
> 
> You can now search and find the needed offsets of the tags.
> OR
> Get the needed class-elements via javascript (more lengthy).
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[ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-3

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.6 RC-3.

Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents


LiveCode 8.1.6 RC-3 contains 3 bugfixes and improvements on the backdrop
issue (introduced in 8.1.6 RC-2). Since the last stable version (8.1.5),
more than 35 bugs have been fixed.

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_6/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_6_rc_3.pdf


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/


Have fun!
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Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:

> Richard wrote:
>> Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
>> > I think the source of the problem that there is no standard codec
>> > for h.264 on windows is, that LiveCode uses the almost deprecated
>> > directShow API and not the current Microsoft media foundation API.
>> > For MMF there probably is a standard codec for h.264 available on
>> > the  > machine.
>>
>> I thought that was remedied with LC's new player object for Windows,
>> no?
>
> No, the "new" player object is based on the old windows API :(

@LC Team:  Is that correct?  DirectShow is pretty old.  When will the 
update of the Win player object be completed to include modern APIs?


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Re: Ethereal Breakpoints

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

With me, I place a red dot, find an error in the script, edit the script 
neither adding nor deleting any lines, save script, red dot does not wander, 
but also does not break code execution. It just executed past it. 

I think this started with the unicode update. I will try copying my code to a 
text only editor then back again, then retest. 

Bob S


> On Jul 21, 2017, at 16:55 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm not having any trouble with the breakpoints per se but if you edit the 
> script with the dots in place they tend to migrate. When that happens you 
> don't always notice and it acts like they aren't working.
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AW: AW: AW: AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

No, the "new" player object is based on the old windows API :(
Tiemo

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Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
 > I think the source of the problem that there is no standard codec for  >
h.264 on windows is, that LiveCode uses the almost deprecated  > directShow
API and not the current Microsoft media foundation API. For  > MMF there
probably is a standard codec for h.264 available on the  > machine.

I thought that was remedied with LC's new player object for Windows, no?

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Re: AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:

> Last year I asked Sorenson media if I have to pay license fees, using
> the h.264 codec and got the following answer from Sorenson:
> "No, you do not need to pay any license fees to use any codecs
> included in Squeeze. Sorenson Media pays any license fees necessary
> for all the codecs contained in Squeeze. Once you have encoded your
> video with a licensed product, like Squeeze, you will never need to
> pay any licensing fees again."
> I assume that’s the same using other compressing tools

It would be the same where the product's EULA says it's the same.  But 
for products whose EULAs explicitly say otherwise, the situation would 
be otherwise:


See links to the FinalCut Pro and Adobe Premier EULAs in this post:


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Re: AW: AW: AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
> I think the source of the problem that there is no standard codec for
> h.264 on windows is, that LiveCode uses the almost deprecated
> directShow API and not the current Microsoft media foundation API. For
> MMF there probably is a standard codec for h.264 available on the
> machine.

I thought that was remedied with LC's new player object for Windows, no?

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64 Bit iOS Apps

[Todd Fabacher via use-livecode]

Apple - "When Apple launches iOS 11 in September, the company will drop
support for old 32-bit applications"

We have some apps still on LiveCode version 7.14. Is this ONLY 32 bit or is
it 64Bit? Will the App die if my users upgrade to iOS 11?

--Todd
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deep links

[Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode]

Hi,

Will anyone have an idea how to implement deep links?

Deep links Receiving invitations

When a user receives an invitation, if the user has not yet installed the
app, they can choose to install the app from their platform's app store.

Then, after the app is installed, or if the app was already installed, the
app starts and receives the URL to its content, if you sent one. The app
will also receive the invitation ID, which will match the invitation ID on
the sending side.

Generally, your app should check for incoming invitations once, at startup.


https://firebase.google.com/docs/invites/cpp


Any light on the road would be of great help

best regards

Jose Montero
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Mike, Mike, hh,

So many good ideas!  Thanks guys!

~Roger


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 9:23 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Roger E. wrote:
> > Is there a browser widget command that will do it?
>
> (Yet another option):
>
> YES.
>
> Set the URL of a browser widget to https://www.coinbase.com/charts
> and get (via a timer) the htmltext of the browser widget. This is the
> _generated_ source.
>
> You can now search and find the needed offsets of the tags.
> OR
> Get the needed class-elements via javascript (more lengthy).
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[hh via use-livecode]

> Roger E. wrote:
> Is there a browser widget command that will do it?

(Yet another option):

YES.

Set the URL of a browser widget to https://www.coinbase.com/charts
and get (via a timer) the htmltext of the browser widget. This is the
_generated_ source.

You can now search and find the needed offsets of the tags.
OR
Get the needed class-elements via javascript (more lengthy).

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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Roger,
I use a chrome plugin called "Web Scraper", and then I process the CSV in
LC - then again, I'm usually scraping many many many pages, and this
automates the process.
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Ah, nevermind. Only works for spot, but if you look at the api and get an
authentication key, then you should be able to request all kinds of
information through oath2

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> If you need buy, sell and spot prices you can use this..
> -- spot price
> get url https://api.coinbase.com/v2/prices/spot?currency=USD
> -- buy price
> get url https://api.coinbase.com/v2/prices/buy?currency=USD
> -- sell price
> get url https://api.coinbase.com/v2/prices/sell?currency=USD
>
> Data is returned as json
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>  There are three values at the top of this page that are updated by
>> javascript.  The $ amounts are not visible in the source.
>>
>> https://www.coinbase.com/charts
>>
>> What is the best approach to grab the text using LiveCode.  Is there a
>> browser widget command that will do it?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> ~Roger
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Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

If you need buy, sell and spot prices you can use this..
-- spot price
get url https://api.coinbase.com/v2/prices/spot?currency=USD
-- buy price
get url https://api.coinbase.com/v2/prices/buy?currency=USD
-- sell price
get url https://api.coinbase.com/v2/prices/sell?currency=USD

Data is returned as json

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>  There are three values at the top of this page that are updated by
> javascript.  The $ amounts are not visible in the source.
>
> https://www.coinbase.com/charts
>
> What is the best approach to grab the text using LiveCode.  Is there a
> browser widget command that will do it?
>
> Thanks.
> ~Roger
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How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

 There are three values at the top of this page that are updated by
javascript.  The $ amounts are not visible in the source.

https://www.coinbase.com/charts

What is the best approach to grab the text using LiveCode.  Is there a
browser widget command that will do it?

Thanks.
~Roger
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AW: AW: AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

I think the source of the problem that there is no standard codec for h.264
on windows is, that LiveCode uses the almost deprecated directShow API and
not the current Microsoft media foundation API. For MMF there probably is a
standard codec for h.264 available on the machine.
That’s really a pity, that Edinburgh implemented this old API, which is
almost deprecated and not the current microsoft foundation after having
waited so many years for the switch from QT to a new standard. Now it bites
us again in our daily work, like many years QT. So we went from worse to
bad.
Tiemo


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Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juli 2017 16:31
An: Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode 
Cc: Warren Samples 
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

On 07/21/2017 03:45 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode wrote:
> But I wonder, which codec youtube converts all videos into or other 
> platforms are using so that their videos are almost always compatible 
> with all platforms. There must be any cross-platform codec or the 
> browser video players bring all available codecs with them



They make files available in more than one format to accommodate various
browsers. The player and the browser negotiate which file to use. This is
the common solution to the problem.

If you visit a youtube URL with youtube-dl using the -F option you'll see
something like this, listing the associated files:


[youtube] NSEISkSfzIg: Downloading MPD manifest
[info] Available formats for NSEISkSfzIg:
format code  extension  resolution note
139  m4aaudio only DASH audio   49k , m4a_dash 
container, mp4a.40.5@ 48k (22050Hz), 1.23MiB
249  webm   audio only DASH audio   68k , opus @ 50k, 1.46MiB
250  webm   audio only DASH audio  103k , opus @ 70k, 2.09MiB
171  webm   audio only DASH audio  124k , vorbis@128k, 3.04MiB
140  m4aaudio only DASH audio  129k , m4a_dash 
container, mp4a.40.2@128k (44100Hz), 3.28MiB
251  webm   audio only DASH audio  181k , opus @160k, 3.89MiB
160  mp4192x144DASH video  109k , avc1.4d400c, 
12fps, video only, 2.71MiB
133  mp4320x240DASH video  246k , avc1.4d400d, 
24fps, video only, 6.09MiB
17   3gp176x144small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2@ 24k
36   3gp320x240small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2
18   mp4320x240medium , avc1.42001E, mp4a.40.2@ 96k
43   webm   640x360medium , vp8.0, vorbis@128k (best)


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[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 92

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

Read issue #92 here: https://goo.gl/vSzYVa

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.


-- 
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LiveCode Software Developer

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Re: SE Gutter better scroll tracking [Bugfix-20140]

[Bob Hall via use-livecode]

Anyone who downloaded my Gutter update please note, I noticed there is a change 
that should not be there. In revsegutterbehavior.livecodescript please correct 
line 319 to be:

send “updateScroll” to me in 0 milliseconds

I did not intend this change to be a part of the breakpoint fix. This is for 
another issue I’m working on. The branch in my personal github repository is 
corrected (with a couple of extra commits 'cause my morning Joe hadn’t sunk in 
yet…)

Bob
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AW: Problem after putting executable into installer

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Did you check, if inno has installed the external folder at the same place
and with the same content (after executing inno), as your standalone builder
has done it?
Tiemo

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An: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: jonathandly...@gmail.com
Betreff: Problem after putting executable into installer 

My app works fine when I run it. But, if I put it into an installer (using
Inno) and then install it, the app won't launch. It says it has a problem
loading an external.

Does anyone have suggestions on where I should look for debugging?

I am including both the revsecurity dll and the externals folder in the
setup, and I have used inno before with success.

Thanks 

Sent from my iPhone
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AW: AW: AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Hi Warren,
thanks for your ideas.
It might be, that I am using any special encoding option. Since I don't have
one of those incompatible devices, I can't test it out easily, but if it get
worse, I'll have to investigate it deeper.
I already tried other codecs for encoding with Sorenson squeeze, but didn't
found any other codec, which creates so small files, as the Sorenson 2-pass
VBR codec. With this codec I could shrink the videos of my app to 2 GB, all
other tested codecs resulted at least with 4 GB, what is a not tolerable
increase of storage on a smartphone. So up to now I stay with the Sorenson
codec and have some customers, who can't use my app.
Tiemo


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An: Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode 
Cc: Warren Samples 
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

On 07/21/2017 04:28 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode wrote:
> ... and h.264 is not h.264, it depends on the codec being used! I am 
> also using h.264 videos on iOS and Android, but the fun stopped with 
> the first customers, who couldn't play my videos on some Android 
> devices. Obviously my choice of a Sorenson h.264 codec isn't 
> compatible with all Android devices (mostly LG) and I have no idea if 
> there is any codec at all, which is compatible with all Android devices.
Sigh!
> Tiemo


Tiemo,

Is it possible that you selected encoding options that the decoder couldn't
handle? That is to say it's not - might not be - that Sorenson isn't
compatible per se, but that you have to select options which are compatible?
This has always been an issue. There may also be issues with the container.
You have to select a conservative profile and the right audio format for
maximum compatibility. I would encourage you to look into this. Obviously,
this assumes these devices have some kind of h264 capability. Many flaming
hoops to jump through...

Warren

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AW: [OT]h.264 alternatives

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Last year I asked Sorenson media if I have to pay license fees, using the h.264 
codec and got the following answer from Sorenson:
"No, you do not need to pay any license fees to use any codecs included in 
Squeeze. Sorenson Media pays any license fees necessary for all the codecs 
contained in Squeeze. Once you have encoded your video with a licensed product, 
like Squeeze, you will never need to pay any licensing fees again."
I assume that’s the same using other compressing tools
Tiemo


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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2017 21:58
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Colin Holgate 
Betreff: Re: [OT]h.264 alternatives

Are you sure that a license is needed for H.264 playback? That could seriously 
impact the viability of YouTube or Vimeo, if all users had to pay a license fee.

My hope is that the license is just paid by the encoder tool maker. If you’re 
using Adobe Media Encoder you don’t have to pay a license, Adobe already did.

In the hope that playback doesn’t involve paying a fee, you could use non-H.264 
encoders that make videos that are played back by anything that can handle 
H.264. That might allow you to use your own tool without a license fee, and 
still make videos that can play back everywhere.

Here is an article that talks about how to solve a gamma/contrast issue that 
happens with most H.264 encoders:

https://myth.li/2010/07/how-to-fix-the-h264-gamma-brightness-bug-in-quicktime/

The solution they have is to use an x264 encoder, and the article has links to 
a QuickTime component, so that you could export to x264 from anything that uses 
QuickTime. The results are better looking than regular H.264.

> On Jul 19, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seems most folks use h.264 for encoding video, but being patent-encumbered it 
> requires negotiating a license with MPEGLA for commercial use.
> 


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