Re: Not sure what to do.....can I run this by you guys?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Tom Glod wrote:

>  I'll keep you guys posted on the progress..I think I need a name for
> this little project.

"There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation 
and naming things."

- Phil Karlton


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Re: Dash LiveCode Docset and "Make Docset" stack updated

[James At The Hale via use-livecode]

Bob asked:
> Interesting. I'm curious if this can be used to combine multiple PDF 
> documents into a DocSet. 


If you are asking if a Dash Docset can be made from pdf’s I think the answer is 
no.
See...https://kapeli.com/docsets

In the “Make Docset” stack I am using the html files contained in the 
documentation directory within LiveCode. These are the files that appear when 
you click on the “Guide” tab in LC’s dictionary. Within Dash they appear when 
you select the LiveCode document set or any of the keyword headers.
The actual entries come from the stored arrays in the dictionary sqlite 
database reformatted to html.

No pdf’s were harmed or even looked at in any way.

If you wanted to use pdf’s to make a dash docset, I think you would nee to 
convert the pdf’s to html.

James
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Re: Not sure what to do.....can I run this by you guys?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Great hints there Mike  thanks alot.  Luckily I'm desktop only right
now.

It shouldn't be too long before I sit down to make something that I can
rely on and reuse in future projects.

Might turn out I will have to hire someone to help which is cool too.

It only has to be very simple..and does not need to match performance of
Tsnet.

Anything more than 1 would be a great start. LOL.

I will look into the libURL library and then try to guess which way I
should go my first attempt to hack this.

I'll keep you guys posted on the progress..I think I need a name for this
little project.

Thanks you

Tom


On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:35 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I've used load for this in the past.  The ability to specify a callback
> message makes it work well.  In my case I was experimenting with offloading
> a large job to a webserver for processing.  To help with organizing the
> data being returned, I tacked a # and an incrementing number to the end of
> each url.  Made it easy to re-assemble things into the proper order.  (Be
> aware though, things behave differently between desktop and mobile so you
> have to take platform into account)
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > i need to be able to send more than one http request to my cloud service
> > domain at one timeit is not a limitation I am willing to live with
> > and I don't want to package requests together and have to wait for
> all
> > of them to be processed before something comes back.
> >
> > Its not a limitation that should exist in any modern software. and it
> > won't in mine.. so I have to try different ways to try to get around
> > this somehow and still be GPL3
> >
> > CheersI'm going to try the read from process ideaand see if i can
> > read the returned requests faster that way.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Tom Glod wrote:
> > > > Hi guys, I've brought this up before.and the time to solve is
> > > > coming sooner than I expected.
> > > >
> > > > 1. My project must be open source
> > > > 2. I must communicate with cloud service not one request at a time.
> > > > 3. TsNet is not open source and I love that LC has a feature that
> > > > can bring them important revenue.
> > > >
> > > > But I have to create a workaround ... so its hackathon time
> > > >
> > > > My first idea is to do this :
> > > >
> > > >- Create process in Go using Go Routines to give me concurrent
> http
> > > >requests
> > > >- send all my requests to that process via a non-blocking socket
> > > >- read from the socket in non-blocking way to receive the data
> > > >  returned
> > > >for the requests until all requests have completed or timed out.
> > >
> > > While it is unfortunate that LC is among the few open source languages
> > > that doesn't have CURL support, in your case I wonder if it's truly
> > > necessary.
> > >
> > > The engine's socket support is generally pretty good, and libURL can be
> > > modified.  What exactly do you need to do?
> > >
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> > >  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> > >  
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Re: Not sure what to do.....can I run this by you guys?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

I've used load for this in the past.  The ability to specify a callback
message makes it work well.  In my case I was experimenting with offloading
a large job to a webserver for processing.  To help with organizing the
data being returned, I tacked a # and an incrementing number to the end of
each url.  Made it easy to re-assemble things into the proper order.  (Be
aware though, things behave differently between desktop and mobile so you
have to take platform into account)

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> i need to be able to send more than one http request to my cloud service
> domain at one timeit is not a limitation I am willing to live with
> and I don't want to package requests together and have to wait for all
> of them to be processed before something comes back.
>
> Its not a limitation that should exist in any modern software. and it
> won't in mine.. so I have to try different ways to try to get around
> this somehow and still be GPL3
>
> CheersI'm going to try the read from process ideaand see if i can
> read the returned requests faster that way.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Tom Glod wrote:
> > > Hi guys, I've brought this up before.and the time to solve is
> > > coming sooner than I expected.
> > >
> > > 1. My project must be open source
> > > 2. I must communicate with cloud service not one request at a time.
> > > 3. TsNet is not open source and I love that LC has a feature that
> > > can bring them important revenue.
> > >
> > > But I have to create a workaround ... so its hackathon time
> > >
> > > My first idea is to do this :
> > >
> > >- Create process in Go using Go Routines to give me concurrent http
> > >requests
> > >- send all my requests to that process via a non-blocking socket
> > >- read from the socket in non-blocking way to receive the data
> > >  returned
> > >for the requests until all requests have completed or timed out.
> >
> > While it is unfortunate that LC is among the few open source languages
> > that doesn't have CURL support, in your case I wonder if it's truly
> > necessary.
> >
> > The engine's socket support is generally pretty good, and libURL can be
> > modified.  What exactly do you need to do?
> >
> > --
> >  Richard Gaskin
> >  Fourth World Systems
> >  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> >  
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Re: Not sure what to do.....can I run this by you guys?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

i need to be able to send more than one http request to my cloud service
domain at one timeit is not a limitation I am willing to live with
and I don't want to package requests together and have to wait for all
of them to be processed before something comes back.

Its not a limitation that should exist in any modern software. and it
won't in mine.. so I have to try different ways to try to get around
this somehow and still be GPL3

CheersI'm going to try the read from process ideaand see if i can
read the returned requests faster that way.

Thank you.






On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tom Glod wrote:
> > Hi guys, I've brought this up before.and the time to solve is
> > coming sooner than I expected.
> >
> > 1. My project must be open source
> > 2. I must communicate with cloud service not one request at a time.
> > 3. TsNet is not open source and I love that LC has a feature that
> > can bring them important revenue.
> >
> > But I have to create a workaround ... so its hackathon time
> >
> > My first idea is to do this :
> >
> >- Create process in Go using Go Routines to give me concurrent http
> >requests
> >- send all my requests to that process via a non-blocking socket
> >- read from the socket in non-blocking way to receive the data
> >  returned
> >for the requests until all requests have completed or timed out.
>
> While it is unfortunate that LC is among the few open source languages
> that doesn't have CURL support, in your case I wonder if it's truly
> necessary.
>
> The engine's socket support is generally pretty good, and libURL can be
> modified.  What exactly do you need to do?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: Not sure what to do.....can I run this by you guys?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Tom Glod wrote:
> Hi guys, I've brought this up before.and the time to solve is
> coming sooner than I expected.
>
> 1. My project must be open source
> 2. I must communicate with cloud service not one request at a time.
> 3. TsNet is not open source and I love that LC has a feature that
> can bring them important revenue.
>
> But I have to create a workaround ... so its hackathon time
>
> My first idea is to do this :
>
>- Create process in Go using Go Routines to give me concurrent http
>requests
>- send all my requests to that process via a non-blocking socket
>- read from the socket in non-blocking way to receive the data
>  returned
>for the requests until all requests have completed or timed out.

While it is unfortunate that LC is among the few open source languages 
that doesn't have CURL support, in your case I wonder if it's truly 
necessary.


The engine's socket support is generally pretty good, and libURL can be 
modified.  What exactly do you need to do?


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Not sure what to do.....can I run this by you guys?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi guys, I've brought this up before.and the time to solve is coming
sooner than I expected.

1. My project must be open source
2. I must communicate with cloud service not one request at a time.
3. TsNet is not open source and I love that LC has a feature that can bring
them important revenue.

But I have to create a workaround ... so its hackathon time

My first idea is to do this :

   - Create process in Go using Go Routines to give me concurrent http
   requests
   - send all my requests to that process via a non-blocking socket
   - read from the socket in non-blocking way to receive the data returned
   for the requests until all requests have completed or timed out.


thats the theory

i hope it works.

thanks you guys for any thouights
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Re: [on-rev] Tio not responding since early evening

[Robert Mann via use-livecode]

All is back, seems support reacted like a rocket!! whouahouu!! Impressed.

Now, thre was an option to delete a msg. How to do that!?? can't find it!
thanks



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[on-rev] Tio not responding since early evening

[Robert Mann via use-livecode]

Hi is anybody else monitoring such a problem or is it just my account?
thanks!
-- no access to websites
-- no access to mail




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Re: [OT] Free tool for ease Windows Installer creation

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 3/14/18 7:40 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

i will be able to answer any request in about 9 hours.


Real programmers don't need sleep. :)

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RE: Strange problem with tsNet external on Windows

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Graham,

Also check tsNet, it's way down at the bottom of the inclusions pane. Or you 
can disable tsNet and use only libURL.

Here are a couple of handlers to find out if is tsNet is enabled. Below that is 
how to explicitly enable/disable tsNet.


function GetNetworkType
   local tLibUrlDriver
   
   try
  put the behavior of stack"revLibUrl" into tLibUrlDriver
   end try
   if tLibUrlDriver is empty then
  return "Sockets"
   else
  return "tsNet"
   end if
   
end GetNetworkType

command NetworkType
   if GetNetworkType() = "Sockets" then
  answer"tsNet is disabled"
   else
  answer "tsNet in use"&"Version==>"& tsNetVersion()
   end if
end NetworkType


To unload:

dispatch "revUnloadLibrary" to stack "tsNetLibUrl"

To load again:

dispatch "revLoadLibrary" to stack "tsNetLibUrl"


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:47 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Graham Samuel
Subject: Strange problem with tsNet external on Windows

I have a LiveCode standalone running as PC app (a .exe file, plus some other 
files which are needed when it runs). If I simply run the original standalone 
on Windows 7 (OK, running under Parallels on a Mac), it all just works. If I 
create an installer for the program and its dependent files using Inno Setup, 
the whole thing appears to run smoothly, but when I run the installed version 
of the app (which is exactly the same size as the original standalone, as 
expected), I get an error from the LC engine “Initialization Error: Failed to 
load external: tsNet”. I suppose I have somehow failed to include tsNet, but it 
was specifically included in the standalone (as “internet”) and anyway the 
original standalone works.

Should I somehow be giving my installed app a path to the LC externals? I’m 
confused.

Graham
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Power outage alarm app on iPhone : LC can do it ?

[Georges Malamoud via use-livecode]

Hello
I want to develop a simple LC app to monitor power outages in my home and to 
send an email in case of an outage.
The iPhone is an old one and will be permanently plugged in my home (near the 
fridge ;). 
When there is a power outage, it will continue on battery, LC will wake up and 
send an email somewhere because it is easy (on GSM, because wifi will be down) 
or why not a SMS if it can be fully automated.
I know it is simple on Android (app exist in Google Play), but I have to use an 
iPhone, and it will be fun to develop (of course, it will be freely available 
if the community version is compatible)

Any clues ?
Thanks


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When did 'throw' stop being handled properly in the IDE?

[Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode]

When I was a lad, you could use throw with abandon. In the IDE, if you didn't 
catch it, the IDE opened the debugger at the appropriate level, and threw up a 
polite dialog explaining:

The following user thrown error was
generated and not handled, so it was
intercepted by LiveCode

Now - in 8.1.9 and 9.0.0 rc1, instead it goes into the debugger, then simply 
halts. So you've lost the ability to inspect variables etc, you may not even 
know what the error was that was thrown - and in fact nothing explicitly tells 
you that the reason you are looking at your script is that there was an error 
thrown.


If you've gone to make a cup of tea while your script was running, you may not 
remember whether you'd left the script window open, and may not realise that 
your script didn't complete... err, according to a friend who this might have 
happened to.


I'm not sure when this happened. I presume it's a bug. But it's evidently been 
happening for a while, and nobody else seems to have QCC'd it, so I wanted to 
check first. Do other people see this?


TIA

Ben

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Strange problem with tsNet external on Windows

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

I have a LiveCode standalone running as PC app (a .exe file, plus some other 
files which are needed when it runs). If I simply run the original standalone 
on Windows 7 (OK, running under Parallels on a Mac), it all just works. If I 
create an installer for the program and its dependent files using Inno Setup, 
the whole thing appears to run smoothly, but when I run the installed version 
of the app (which is exactly the same size as the original standalone, as 
expected), I get an error from the LC engine “Initialization Error: Failed to 
load external: tsNet”. I suppose I have somehow failed to include tsNet, but it 
was specifically included in the standalone (as “internet”) and anyway the 
original standalone works.

Should I somehow be giving my installed app a path to the LC externals? I’m 
confused.

Graham
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Re: [OT] Free tool for ease Windows Installer creation

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I might be able to test. Are the links in your first post still current?

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On March 14, 2018 7:42:02 PM Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
 wrote:


So i took the time and  added Code Signing for the Windows version of 
InstaMaker.


So, who already owns a Code Signing Certificate and is keen enough to test 
my first build? ;)


It´s late here and i need some sleep, so i will be able to answer any 
request in about 9 hours.


Regards,
Matthias

> Am 14.03.2018 um 11:38 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>:

>
> Thanks to all for your kind words.
>
>
>
> @Tom,

> tool...where would it source the certificates? and how much?

>
> I am sorry, i don´t understand the question.
> Do you want to know where you can buy the Software Signing Certificate 
for Windows?
> The cheapest Seller i´ve found is K-Software 
(http://codesigning.ksoftware.net  
>).
> They are selling genuine Comodo products and a Software Signing 
certificate cost about 84USD for 1 year. It´ll be even cheaper if you 
purchase it for 2, 3 or 4 years..
> They even provide a very easy tool for CodeSigning for free called kSign. 
It has a GUI is really very easy to use.  I am using this tool for manually 
signing my Windows apps now for about 4 years.

>
>
> @All
> The upcoming code signing option in InstaMaker will only code sign the 
Installer, not the programs you´ve created the installer for.

> For code signing in InstaMaker Microsofts signtool.exe will be used.
>
> So at the moment the steps for code signing a Windows app and creating a 
signed Installer for it would be

> 1. Sign the Windows app and all externals using kSign.exe or Signtool.exe
> Btw: the externals of a LC standalone are write protected for whatever 
reason. You´ll have to disable the write protection before code signing. 
Otherwise the externals can not signed

>
> 2. Create the Installer with InstaMaker
>
> 3. Code Sign the Installer.
>
>
> When InstaMaker has  code signing support, then
>
> 1. Sign the Windows app and all externals using kSign.exe or Signtool.exe
>
> 2. Create an Installer with InstaMaker and sign it automatically.
>
> So you´ll have to code sign your Windows program in any case first if you 
want to have your app also be code signed, then you can use InstaMaker to 
create an Installer and also code sign that installer after creation.

>
> But as i wrote, i need some spare time for it. But i will come.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Am 14.03.2018 um 01:44 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode 
 
>>:

>
> this is cool.. thank you.i'm very interested in the code signing
> tool...where would it source the certificates? and how much?
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:14 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com  
>> wrote:

>

> Hi,
>
> inspired by Monte´s great, but unfortunately not available anymore, tool
> InstallGadget, i´ve created a similar tool called InstaMaker.
> I very often need to create Installers for my little Windows apps and
> InstallGadget was a good friend in the past, but drag´n´drop did not work
> with newer Windows versions and other problems appeared. So i decided to
> built my own version of such a tool.
>
> On Windows InstaMaker creates Windows Installers (based on the newest
> version of InnoSetup). You do not need to install InnoSetup separately. The
> needed parts are already included in InstaMaker. On OS X it creates simple
> DMG files.
> Just drag a folder which contains your program into the program window of
> InstaMaker or onto the InstaMaker Icon. InstaMaker does the rest for you.
>
> I know there are other tools out there which do the DMG stuff much better,
> but i wanted to have a tool available which does exact the same as
> InstallGadget did.
>
> InstaMaker for Windows might be a good solution for the one or the other
> who wants to create a Windows Installer of a program quick and easy.
>
> I will add code signing support the next weeks or when time allows, so
> that the Windows installer will be automatically code signed after
> creation. For this you will need a code signing certificate.
>
> InstaMaker is free.  You can download it from its website at
> https://instamaker.dermattes.de  
> 
 
>>

>

Re: Sound delay

[William de Smet via use-livecode]

Hi Bob,

It's on iOS.
Sound files are ok and sound ok on my Mac.

In the app the second time it plays faster/immediately.
Like it needs to buffer first?





groeten,

William



2018-03-15 15:58 GMT+01:00 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> Hard to say, since I don't have that file. Have you attempted in the OS to
> double click the file or if on Mac, play the file in preview mode?
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Mar 15, 2018, at 07:55 , William de Smet via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > play specialFolderPath("engine") & slash & "sounds/pop.mp3"
>
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Re: Sound delay

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hard to say, since I don't have that file. Have you attempted in the OS to 
double click the file or if on Mac, play the file in preview mode? 

Bob S


> On Mar 15, 2018, at 07:55 , William de Smet via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> play specialFolderPath("engine") & slash & "sounds/pop.mp3"


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Sound delay

[William de Smet via use-livecode]

Hi there,

Why is there a short delay when playing a sound for the first time?
And how do I solve this?

play specialFolderPath("engine") & slash & "sounds/pop.mp3"


greetings,

William
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Re: Dash LiveCode Docset and "Make Docset" stack updated

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Interesting. I'm curious if this can be used to combine multiple PDF documents 
into a DocSet. 

Bob S


> On Mar 15, 2018, at 06:10 , James Hale via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Livecode Dash Docset has been updated to version 1.5 and has been 
> compiled from the LC 9.0.0 rc1 documentation.
> 
> The "Make Docset" stack on LivecodeShare has been updated to version 2.6 
> (modified version algorithm to catch fully the LC 9 series.)
> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/845/Make-DocSet
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> James


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Re: 9.0.0 RC-1 Hard crash still persists

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I just tried that and it works for me, but I am running 10.13.3 and LC 8.1.9. 
Try quitting, removing all your plugins and testing. 

Bob S


> On Mar 15, 2018, at 01:33 , Michael Kristensen via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> 
> (Mac 10.11.6)
> 
> I have grouped items in a group.
> 
> I press Command R to edit the big group.
> 
> Then I hover mouse over one of the subgroups and Option-Command-click to 
> acces the script.
> 
> Then Hard crash
> 
> Only Force Quit Livecode will let me out
> 
> 
> Mic


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Dash LiveCode Docset and "Make Docset" stack updated

[James Hale via use-livecode]

The Livecode Dash Docset has been updated to version 1.5 and has been compiled 
from the LC 9.0.0 rc1 documentation.

The "Make Docset" stack on LivecodeShare has been updated to version 2.6 
(modified version algorithm to catch fully the LC 9 series.)
http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/845/Make-DocSet

Enjoy.

James



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Re: LC 9 and Icon Families

[hh via use-livecode]

@Brian
Please add your tool also to "Sample Stacks".
This was reworked in the last year and works really fine here.
And it is *very* fast for searching and downloading a stack.

Such wonderful stacks go (somehow) lost in the list or the forum.

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9.0.0 RC-1 Hard crash still persists

[Michael Kristensen via use-livecode]

Hi there

(Mac 10.11.6)

I have grouped items in a group.

I press Command R to edit the big group.

Then I hover mouse over one of the subgroups and Option-Command-click to acces 
the script.

Then Hard crash

Only Force Quit Livecode will let me out


Mic



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