Re: LiveCode Zoom

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Hi David,

I'm not sure there's a good reason to integrate Livecode into the  Zoom API
just for the sake of using Livecode to do it.I do like the idea of
using Zoom for discussions and demonstrations of Livecode technology. All
anyone needs to do is for the leader to have the lowest level subscription
to Zoom ($15US) which allows that person to host up to 100 participants.  I
noticed that our last (first?) Zoom online meeting with the mother ship
there weren't that many participants.  It also appears that access to their
API might not be for ordinary mortals (i.e. $$$).   What could we add to
Zoom that they don't already offer?

Easy to find the API info though 

https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/zoom-api
--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM David Bovill via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I’d like to host / take part in a weekly Zoom with other Livecoders. I
> started the Livecode TV thing ages ago now, and this time I think we can do
> something more interesting - but what?
>
> I take part in a couple of regular Zoom gatherings around open source
> projects for a few years now, and It seems a pity not to do it with
> LiveCode.
>
> I’m thinking of it as a regular drop in, and to integrate LiveCode into
> how the event works. Just not quite sure how. Thing out loud here :)
> On 3 Jul 2020, 16:48 +0100, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > The customer cares about the backend, because he wants to be sure he
> > will find a livecode hosting company in the future. We will host the web
> > page into our own servers.
> > We currently offer PHP, Python  and LiveCode hosting.
> > I'm honest with my customers and I told him about Livecode backend
> > hosting pros & cons.
> >
> > There are other companies offering LiveCode hosting, but in Spain it is
> > not very popular.
> >
> > It will not be the typical Wordpress webpage, it will be a small Human
> > Resources website for their employees.
> > It would be easier to do it with Python-Flask or Django, but I'm very
> > excited to do it using livecode.
> >
> > Thank you very much for those links.
> >
> > Hery
> >
> > On 7/3/20 8:51 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode wrote:
> > > I'd be surprised if the client cares at all about the websites
> backend, you
> > > might be better off picking a modern frontend framework
> (bulma,react,vue
> > > etc) and showing examples of websites using it.
> > >
> > > As for the backend, there are some great flat file CMS's that could be
> > > managed with livecode scripts ( creating directories, template files,
> html
> > > templates )
> > >
> > > https://getgrav.org/
> > >
> > > https://getkirby.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites?
> > > > https://revigniter.com/
> > > >
> > > > "Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter
> including the
> > > > presumably largest Hindu website 
> in
> > > > existence."
> > > > https://www.himalayanacademy.com/  >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Torsten
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > > > > Dear LiveCode experts:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website
> with
> > > > LiveCode Server instead PHP. The client asks me what other popular
> sites
> > > > are created with LiveCode server.
> > > > > I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very
> old:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> > > > > Do you know why?
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> > > > >
> > > > > Heriberto Torrado
> > > > > ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> > > > > ​Director de informática
> > > > > Directeur informatique
> > > > >
> > > > > *NetDreams S.C.*
> > > > > http://www.networkdreams.net
> > > > >
> > > > > Address / Dirección / Adresse:
> > > > >
> > > > > *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
> > > > > *Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid
> 28024
> > > > Spain / España
> > > > > *Tel - Phone - Fax:*
> > > > >
> > > > > Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787
> > > > > Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48
> > > > >
> > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email / Por
> > > > favor considera tu responsabilidad medioambiental antes de imprimir
> esta
> > > > página.
> > > > > Confidentiality: The information contained 

LiveCode Zoom

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

I’d like to host / take part in a weekly Zoom with other Livecoders. I started 
the Livecode TV thing ages ago now, and this time I think we can do something 
more interesting - but what?

I take part in a couple of regular Zoom gatherings around open source projects 
for a few years now, and It seems a pity not to do it with LiveCode.

I’m thinking of it as a regular drop in, and to integrate LiveCode into how the 
event works. Just not quite sure how. Thing out loud here :)
On 3 Jul 2020, 16:48 +0100, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> The customer cares about the backend, because he wants to be sure he
> will find a livecode hosting company in the future. We will host the web
> page into our own servers.
> We currently offer PHP, Python  and LiveCode hosting.
> I'm honest with my customers and I told him about Livecode backend
> hosting pros & cons.
>
> There are other companies offering LiveCode hosting, but in Spain it is
> not very popular.
>
> It will not be the typical Wordpress webpage, it will be a small Human
> Resources website for their employees.
> It would be easier to do it with Python-Flask or Django, but I'm very
> excited to do it using livecode.
>
> Thank you very much for those links.
>
> Hery
>
> On 7/3/20 8:51 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode wrote:
> > I'd be surprised if the client cares at all about the websites backend, you
> > might be better off picking a modern frontend framework (bulma,react,vue
> > etc) and showing examples of websites using it.
> >
> > As for the backend, there are some great flat file CMS's that could be
> > managed with livecode scripts ( creating directories, template files, html
> > templates )
> >
> > https://getgrav.org/
> >
> > https://getkirby.com/
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites?
> > > https://revigniter.com/
> > >
> > > "Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter including the
> > > presumably largest Hindu website  in
> > > existence."
> > > https://www.himalayanacademy.com/ 
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Torsten
> > >
> > >
> > > > Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > > > Dear LiveCode experts:
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with
> > > LiveCode Server instead PHP. The client asks me what other popular sites
> > > are created with LiveCode server.
> > > > I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:
> > > >
> > > > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> > > >
> > > > Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> > > >
> > > > I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> > > > Do you know why?
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> > > >
> > > > Heriberto Torrado
> > > > ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> > > > ​Director de informática
> > > > Directeur informatique
> > > >
> > > > *NetDreams S.C.*
> > > > http://www.networkdreams.net
> > > >
> > > > Address / Dirección / Adresse:
> > > >
> > > > *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
> > > > *Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid 28024
> > > Spain / España
> > > > *Tel - Phone - Fax:*
> > > >
> > > > Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787
> > > > Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48
> > > >
> > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email / Por
> > > favor considera tu responsabilidad medioambiental antes de imprimir esta
> > > página.
> > > > Confidentiality: The information contained in this message as well as
> > > the attached file(s) is confidential/privileged and is only intended for
> > > the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is 
> > > not
> > > the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering
> > > the message to the intended recipient, or you have received this
> > > comunication in error, please be aware that any dissemination, 
> > > distribution
> > > or duplication is strictly prohibited, and can be illegal, and please
> > > notify us immediately and return the original message to us at the address
> > > above. Thank you.
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> > > leída sólo por la(s) persona(s) a la(s) que va dirigida. Si usted lee este
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> > > comunicación por error, le informamos que está totalmente prohibida, y
> > > puede ser ilegal, cualquier divulgación, distribución o reproducción 

What's Going On In The IDE

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Win 10 LC 9.6.0

I have a card with 55 groups each with one field of 20 characters. This card 
renders sub second but is unresponsive for an additional 14 seconds. What's 
going on here? The IDE stacks totals out to 13 seconds. This is after I made 1 
minor edit in the script with the message box open. If I open the IDE without 
opening the script editor or message box then it only takes 4 seconds of which 
almost 3 seconds is in IDE scripts. I can expect some IDE overhead but waiting 
14 to 20 seconds to get the IDE back after a minor edit that might not even be 
on this card is a problem. It slows development down to a crawl. The IDE hang 
is proportional to the number of fields on the card. The same card with only 
say 3 groups with 1 field each of 20 characters causes the IDE hang to go down 
to one second.

Also after running the profile (and other times also) when closing the IDE it 
goes into an endless loop after a completely blank window titled 
reNewScriptEditor1 open up and the IDE process need to be manually stopped.

I profiled the script and here's the top of the hit parade with 55 groups of 1 
field each of 20 characters when the script editor is open.

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/palettes/messagebox/behaviors/revmessageboxsinglelinecardbehavior.livecodescript"
  

4803 ms layoutCard

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/palettes/behaviors/revpalettebehavior.livecodescript"   
   
3383 ms generateFrame   

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 9.6/Toolset/palettes/message 
box/behaviors/revmessageboxbehavior.livecodescript" 
  
3006 ms positionOpenStacksButton

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 9.6/Toolset/palettes/message 
box/behaviors/revmessageboxbehavior.livecodescript" 
  
1575 ms revIDESetActiveStack

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/palettes/behaviors/revpalettebehavior.livecodescript"   
   
1512 ms contentRect 

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/libraries/revbackscriptlibrary.livecodescript"  
   
791 ms  revUpdateAOControls 

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/libraries/revidelibrary.8.livecodescript"   
   
783 ms  revIDEColor 

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/libraries/revfrontscriptlibrary.livecodescript" 
   
743 ms  nameChanged 

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/palettes/menubar/revmenubar.livecodescript" 
   
346 ms  updateButtonHilite  

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/palettes/menubar/revmenubar.livecodescript" 
   
255 ms  setButtonHilite 

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/libraries/revgeometrylibrary.livecodescript"
   
248 ms  revCacheGeometry

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/palettes/behaviors/revpalettebehavior.livecodescript"   
   
207 ms  appendMenuItem  

stack "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode Business 
9.6/Toolset/libraries/revidelibrary.8.livecodescript"   
   
190 ms  revIDEGetPreference 

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net



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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

[Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode]

Hi Dan,

The customer cares about the backend, because he wants to be sure he 
will find a livecode hosting company in the future. We will host the web 
page into our own servers.

We currently offer PHP, Python  and LiveCode hosting.
I'm honest with my customers and I told him about Livecode backend 
hosting pros & cons.


There are other companies offering LiveCode hosting, but in Spain it is 
not very popular.


It will not be the typical Wordpress webpage, it will be a small Human 
Resources website for their employees.
It would be easier to do it with Python-Flask or Django, but I'm very 
excited to do it using livecode.


Thank you very much for those links.

Hery

On 7/3/20 8:51 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode wrote:

I'd be surprised if the client cares at all about the websites backend, you
might be better off picking a modern frontend framework (bulma,react,vue
etc) and showing examples of websites using it.

As for the backend, there are some great flat file CMS's that could be
managed with livecode scripts ( creating directories, template files, html
templates )

https://getgrav.org/

https://getkirby.com/


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites?
https://revigniter.com/

"Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter including the
presumably largest Hindu website  in
existence."
https://www.himalayanacademy.com/ 

Best regards,
Torsten



Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

Dear LiveCode experts:

I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with

LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites
are created with LiveCode server.

I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689

Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?

I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
Do you know why?
--

Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement

Heriberto Torrado
​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
​Director de informática
Directeur informatique

*NetDreams S.C.*
http://www.networkdreams.net

  Address / Dirección / Adresse:​

*USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
*Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid 28024

Spain / España

*Tel - Phone - Fax:*

Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787
Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48

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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

[Dan Brown via use-livecode]

I'd be surprised if the client cares at all about the websites backend, you
might be better off picking a modern frontend framework (bulma,react,vue
etc) and showing examples of websites using it.

As for the backend, there are some great flat file CMS's that could be
managed with livecode scripts ( creating directories, template files, html
templates )

https://getgrav.org/

https://getkirby.com/


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites?
> https://revigniter.com/
>
> "Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter including the
> presumably largest Hindu website  in
> existence."
> https://www.himalayanacademy.com/ 
>
> Best regards,
> Torsten
>
>
> > Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Dear LiveCode experts:
> >
> > I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with
> LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites
> are created with LiveCode server.
> >
> > I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:
> >
> > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> >
> > Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> >
> > I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> > Do you know why?
> > --
> >
> > Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> >
> > Heriberto Torrado
> > ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> > ​Director de informática
> > Directeur informatique
> >
> > *NetDreams S.C.*
> > http://www.networkdreams.net
> >
> >  Address / Dirección / Adresse:​
> >
> > *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
> > *Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid 28024
> Spain / España
> >
> > *Tel - Phone - Fax:*
> >
> > Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787
> > Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48
> >
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> favor considera tu responsabilidad medioambiental antes de imprimir esta
> página.
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

[Torsten Holmer via use-livecode]

Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites? 
https://revigniter.com/

"Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter including the 
presumably largest Hindu website  in 
existence."
https://www.himalayanacademy.com/ 

Best regards,
Torsten


> Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Dear LiveCode experts:
> 
> I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with LiveCode 
> Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites are created 
> with LiveCode server.
> 
> I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:
> 
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> 
> Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> 
> I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> Do you know why?
> -- 
> 
> Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> 
> Heriberto Torrado
> ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> ​Director de informática
> Directeur informatique
> 
> *NetDreams S.C.*
> http://www.networkdreams.net
> 
>  Address / Dirección / Adresse:​
> 
> *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
> *Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid 28024 Spain / 
> España
> 
> *Tel - Phone - Fax:*
> 
> Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787
> Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48
> 
>Please consider the environment before printing this email / Por favor 
> considera tu responsabilidad medioambiental antes de imprimir esta página.
> 
> Confidentiality: The information contained in this message as well as the 
> attached file(s) is confidential/privileged and is only intended for the 
> person(s) to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the 
> intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the 
> message to the intended recipient, or you have received this comunication in 
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> return the original message to us at the address above. Thank you.
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