Strange script error - pass openStack

[Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode]

In trying to debug a problem with my music program, at one point I got an error 
dialog:

Message execution error:
Error description: Object Name:
Hint: stack "/Applications/LiveCode Business 
9.6.1.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/home.livecodescript”

So, I tried stepping through an openStack handler I have, and sure enough, once 
I passed the “pass openStack” I saw that same error in the Message box.

I’ve just tried making a new stack that has:

on openStack
   pass openStack
end openStack

with the red break on the line "pass openStack", and the same error showed in 
the Message box.

I poked into the script of the stack home.livecodescript and see these lines

if the short name of the owner of the target is not "Home" then
pass openStack
end if

I add a line before that: put “foo”
After the dialog is closed the Message box shows:
Message execution error:
Error description: Chunk: no target found

Question 1 — should this be happening—me seeing a livecodescript error—and can 
it affect my openStack handler, or the total operation of my stack?
Question 2 — should I be passing openStack on from my project? I’ve been doing 
that since HyperCard days and never thought a second about it.

LC 9.6.4

Peter Bogdanoff
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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Sean:

> a whole stream of specific bug reports

What a shame! I had just written a message warning
that many or most had already been reported!

(Some by myself. Others have been discussed here.)

My list was a RECAP for your benefit.
Re-reporting them would only waste time.

> Stop getting ratty with me

Not ratty, just a brief helpful FYI while sick.
Easily misunderstood if unread or hastily skimmed.

> I have to be nice or nasty people on here start getting upset
> and kick up a stink to have me kicked off.

If they do, I myself will intercede fervently AGAIN on your behalf.
Very good having you here! But I think your vacation is calling. :)

Best wishes,

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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Sean:

> I will post a series of reports to the quality list
> and see which ones get bumped as duplicates of others.

No, absolutely DO NOT waste LC Team time with random info.
Re-reporting bugs carelessly (after not reading) would only do harm.

Many on that list had been reported and discussed for a long time.

That was a RECAP list of SE Bugs we've seen including this one.
For your benefit, to get you up to speed. Not a request.

> They can’t fix what hasn’t already been reported.

Yes, that's what I conveyed to you in the email you did not read. :)
SE Line # not updating and SE Performance are separate, different bugs.

Once more: Is there a QA report for THIS Line # not updating issue?

SE Bugs Recap list again, just for FYI:

- Performance and practical script size limit.
- This one, line # updating.
- Messed up handler indentation.
- Disassociation of SE from script's object.
- SE window disappears if too many tabs.
- Excessive disk use (for HDD/antivirus)
- SE confusion about last insertion point/scroll.
- Weird text hilites in SE.
- Messed up drags
- Clipboard affected by SE editing
- Invisible menus in stacks while SE open
- Uncontrollable scrolling
- Null filter needed when pasting
- Certain errors do not trigger debugging
- (Unable to save changes due to above Disassociation)
- (Hard to set breakpoints due to above line # updating)
- SE sometimes doesn't notice a copy or paste keystroke
- "Find in>Docs" will not be noticed by newbies
- Sometimes either "on" or "end" gets clipped/disappears
-  (and there are more; this is a few)

Best wishes,

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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Hi
Probably best if you go back to bed, Curry. You’re too unwell to read my Full 
report (a whole stream of specific bug reports with duplicates and fixes and 
reprisals) or notice how Lng the email was you wrote regarding the bugs 
you’d found. A bit more than two lines. 
Stop getting ratty with me (I don’t nderatand it’s probably just your illness 
making you that way) while I’m really ‘trying’ to be nice. I have to be nice or 
nasty people on here start getting upset and kick up a stink to have me kicked 
off. Please read as written, with a pleasant tone. I’ll show my workings when I 
have time. As Mark says, I should probably leave my Mac (and all other contact 
devices) at home. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

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> On 22 Sep 2021, at 19:13, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sean:
> 
> > I think Curry was aiming that at me to read his previous lng
> > email and see all that stuff about his well being
> 
> Line Counts in my first email below
> - Re Tiemo's line # issue: 3
> - Re Sean's Bug comment: 5
> - Re Separate LC 9 SE Bugs: 9
> - Re Me sick: 2
> 
> Wasted if you don't read things, but Me once again:
> 
> > Is there a separate Bug reported on this?
> > It is not the same as performance issues.
> 
> I asked you first.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy
> 
> Custom Software Development
> "Better Methods, Better Results"
> LiveCode Training and Consulting
> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
> 
> ===
> 
> Tiemo:
> 
> > beside the horrible IDE performance in general
> > the line number doesn't gets updated when scrolling the code
> > Has anybody perhaps found any tweak to get the line # working again?
> 
> Only the same tactic you mentioned:
> 
> > You have to click the mouse into the code, to get the line # updated
> 
> So the user discipline: Look at code, scroll, click, look at line#.
> This feature keeps us on our toes. :)
> 
> Sean:
> 
> > This is an issue dating all the way back to LC9.0.0.
> > It has been raised several times
> > I've ended up at Bug 23117
> > 
> 
> Is there a separate Bug reported on this?
> It is not the same as performance issues.
> 
> (The SE has performance issues, and even
> line # performance limits I would think,
> but not updating is a separate bug.)
> 
> I am still a bit sick with the tail end of COVID,
> so not up to searching or reporting bugs this week.
> 
> Separate LC 9 SE Bugs we have, or had:
> 
> - Performance and practical script size limit.
> - This one, line # updating.
> - Messed up handler indentation.
> - Disassociation of SE from script's object.
> - SE window disappears if too many tabs.
> - Excessive disk use (for HDD/antivirus)
> - SE confusion about last insertion point/scroll.
> - Weird text hilites in SE.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy
> 
> Custom Software Development
> "Better Methods, Better Results"
> LiveCode Training and Consulting
> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
> 
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Re: LiveCode Community - anyone up for maintaining the community edition?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 9/9/21 7:18 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

> We (LiveCode Ltd.) cannot take any code changes you make to your 
project's version of the LiveCode source-code and use them in our 
commercial code as (by default) it will be GPLv3 licensed, and the 
copyright of that will be held by the person who authored the changes; 
just as you cannot change the license from GPLv3 nor copyright 
attribution (LiveCode Ltd.) - whether explicit or implicit - of any 
existing line of code in your project's fork of the LiveCode 
repositories, nor take any changes which appear from now onwards in any 
commercial edition to incorporate into your project.

>
> When we were running the open source project, we had in place a 
Contributor's License Agreement which meant that the copyright of any 
code authored by a contributor in any patch submitted to LiveCode Ltd 
was assigned to us. However, this only extended to contributions 
submitted through GitHub, where there was an appropriate immutable 
record of such submissions and it was universally clear what changes 
were being made. For obvious reasons, this no longer exists.

>

Mark-

I've been mulling this over for a while now and I'm still unclear on the 
import of what you're saying here. (Disclaimer: this is probably tricky 
legal and ethical ground and I'm certainly no expert on licensing terms)


Are you saying that submissions to bugzilla and pull requests to github 
that haven't yet been accepted into the main code are now orphaned? If 
someone (asking for a friend) takes a pull request that has not yet been 
acted on and *also* submits it to an open source fork, what does that do 
to its licensing status? Can an open source project cherrypick pull 
requests from the archived code and implement them? Is LiveCode Ltd not 
able to do that because of the licensing change?


My head is spinning.

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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 9/22/21 10:48 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:


It is our anniversary and will be going away for a number and of days


Congrats on that. Have fun.
My advice: don't bring a computer with you. Stay unplugged.

Anyway, it's been a while since I've had to use the builtin script 
editor much, but for folks who are having problems with it, you might 
want to give an alternative a try:


https://github.com/mwieder/glx2ScriptEditor

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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Sean:

> I think Curry was aiming that at me to read his previous lng
> email and see all that stuff about his well being

Line Counts in my first email below
- Re Tiemo's line # issue: 3
- Re Sean's Bug comment: 5
- Re Separate LC 9 SE Bugs: 9
- Re Me sick: 2

Wasted if you don't read things, but Me once again:

> Is there a separate Bug reported on this?
> It is not the same as performance issues.

I asked you first.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

===

Tiemo:

 > beside the horrible IDE performance in general
 > the line number doesn't gets updated when scrolling the code
 > Has anybody perhaps found any tweak to get the line # working again?

Only the same tactic you mentioned:

 > You have to click the mouse into the code, to get the line # updated

So the user discipline: Look at code, scroll, click, look at line#.
This feature keeps us on our toes. :)

Sean:

 > This is an issue dating all the way back to LC9.0.0.
 > It has been raised several times
 > I've ended up at Bug 23117
 > 

Is there a separate Bug reported on this?
It is not the same as performance issues.

(The SE has performance issues, and even
line # performance limits I would think,
but not updating is a separate bug.)

I am still a bit sick with the tail end of COVID,
so not up to searching or reporting bugs this week.

Separate LC 9 SE Bugs we have, or had:

- Performance and practical script size limit.
- This one, line # updating.
- Messed up handler indentation.
- Disassociation of SE from script's object.
- SE window disappears if too many tabs.
- Excessive disk use (for HDD/antivirus)
- SE confusion about last insertion point/scroll.
- Weird text hilites in SE.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
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LiveCode Training and Consulting
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Re: Starter Plan runtimes

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Ooops, sorry, my bad, I mixed the "Starter Plan" with the "Student Plan".

> Am 22.09.2021 um 20:06 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
> :
> Hi Matthias,
>> Am 22.09.2021 um 20:02 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>> :
>> Seems so,
>> in the forums Kevin stated that Livecode Ltd. changed the licensing of 
>> student plan.
> yes, in the now deleted 10 page thread.
>> That license now includes permanent standalones.
> Then the mothership should DEFINITIVELY change the approriate webpage asap!
>>> Am 22.09.2021 um 15:45 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> ...
 Starter Plan
 ...
 Permanent Standalone(s)
 No. Standalone applications built with LiveCode Starter Plan 
 will expire if your subscription lapses. 
>>> was I dreaming when I read on the forum, that this is NOT be the case 
>>> anymore?

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Re: Starter Plan runtimes

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

> Am 22.09.2021 um 20:02 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Seems so,
> in the forums Kevin stated that Livecode Ltd. changed the licensing of 
> student plan.

yes, in the now deleted 10 page thread.

> That license now includes permanent standalones.

Then the mothership should DEFINITIVELY change the approriate webpage asap!

>> Am 22.09.2021 um 15:45 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>> :
>> ...
>>> Starter Plan
>>> ...
>>> Permanent Standalone(s)
>>> No. Standalone applications built with LiveCode Starter Plan 
>>> will expire if your subscription lapses. 
>> was I dreaming when I read on the forum, that this is NOT be the case 
>> anymore?

Best

Klaus


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Re: Starter Plan runtimes

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Seems so,
in the forums Kevin stated that Livecode Ltd. changed the licensing of student 
plan.
That license now includes permanent standalones.



> Am 22.09.2021 um 15:45 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> saw this on the LC website.
> 
>> Starter Plan
>> ...
>> Permanent Standalone(s)
>> No. Standalone applications built with LiveCode Starter Plan 
>> will expire if your subscription lapses. 
> 
> was I dreaming when I read on the forum, that this is NOT be the case anymore?
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
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> https://www.major-k.de/bass
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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Thanks Bill. But I think Curry was aiming that at me to read his previous 
lng email and see all that stuff about his well being. Which is noted. I 
only took a cursory glance at his message as I was in the midst of client 
liaisons. Apologies for not taking more time. 

As you are incapacitated and I am concerned that you are without the strength 
to submit a report I will post a series of reports to the quality list and see 
which ones get bumped as duplicates of others. At least then we will know they 
have all been logged and put in the system. They can’t fix what hasn’t already 
been reported. And if it had been ‘fixed’ and now a regression, this too will 
be brought into the repair process. 

I won’t be able to do it right away. It is our anniversary and will be going 
away for a number and of days, so I’m getting things done before we do. Maybe 
someone else can beat me to it. Maybe the OP could grab the gauntlet and run 
with it :)

All the best, y’all. 

Sean


> On 22 Sep 2021, at 15:48, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sean,
> Sending much hope for your good recovery.
> Bill Prothero
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you logged these on the quality site? I didn’t see them when doing my 
>> research. 
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>> 
>> eMail Ts & Cs
>> 
>> 
 On 22 Sep 2021, at 14:08, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Me:
>>> 
 Separate LC 9 SE Bugs we have, or had:
>>> 
>>> "- Performance and practical script size limit.
>>> - This one, line # updating.
>>> - Messed up handler indentation.
>>> - Disassociation of SE from script's object.
>>> - SE window disappears if too many tabs.
>>> - Excessive disk use (for HDD/antivirus)
>>> - SE confusion about last insertion point/scroll.
>>> - Weird text hilites in SE."
>>> 
>>> ... Also more SE bugs:
>>> 
>>> - Messed up drags
>>> - Clipboard affected by SE editing
>>> - Invisible menus in stacks while SE open
>>> - Uncontrollable scrolling
>>> - Null filter needed when pasting
>>> - Certain errors do not trigger debugging
>>> - (Unable to save changes due to above Disassociation)
>>> - (Hard to set breakpoints due to above line # updating)
>>> - SE sometimes doesn't notice a copy or paste keystroke
>>> - "Find in>Docs" will not be noticed by newbies
>>> - Sometimes either "on" or "end" gets clipped/disappears
>>> -  (and there are more; this is a few)
>>> 
>>> All from memory, haven't rechecked them.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Curry Kenworthy
>>> 
>>> Custom Software Development
>>> "Better Methods, Better Results"
>>> LiveCode Training and Consulting
>>> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
>>> 
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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Sean,
Sending much hope for your good recovery.
Bill Prothero

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Have you logged these on the quality site? I didn’t see them when doing my 
> research. 
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs
> 
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 14:08, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Me:
>> 
>>> Separate LC 9 SE Bugs we have, or had:
>> 
>> "- Performance and practical script size limit.
>> - This one, line # updating.
>> - Messed up handler indentation.
>> - Disassociation of SE from script's object.
>> - SE window disappears if too many tabs.
>> - Excessive disk use (for HDD/antivirus)
>> - SE confusion about last insertion point/scroll.
>> - Weird text hilites in SE."
>> 
>> ... Also more SE bugs:
>> 
>> - Messed up drags
>> - Clipboard affected by SE editing
>> - Invisible menus in stacks while SE open
>> - Uncontrollable scrolling
>> - Null filter needed when pasting
>> - Certain errors do not trigger debugging
>> - (Unable to save changes due to above Disassociation)
>> - (Hard to set breakpoints due to above line # updating)
>> - SE sometimes doesn't notice a copy or paste keystroke
>> - "Find in>Docs" will not be noticed by newbies
>> - Sometimes either "on" or "end" gets clipped/disappears
>> -  (and there are more; this is a few)
>> 
>> All from memory, haven't rechecked them.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Curry Kenworthy
>> 
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>> "Better Methods, Better Results"
>> LiveCode Training and Consulting
>> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
>> 
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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Sean:

>  Have you logged these on the quality site?
> I didn’t see them when doing my research.

Me:

> Is there a separate Bug reported on this?
> It is not the same as performance issues.

> I am still a bit sick with the tail end of COVID,
> so not up to searching or reporting bugs this week.

> All from memory, haven't rechecked them.

> (Hope the quick list helps with any bug efforts.
> I'm sicker again; probably my last post this week.)

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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Have you logged these on the quality site? I didn’t see them when doing my 
research. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


> On 22 Sep 2021, at 14:08, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Me:
> 
> > Separate LC 9 SE Bugs we have, or had:
> 
> "- Performance and practical script size limit.
> - This one, line # updating.
> - Messed up handler indentation.
> - Disassociation of SE from script's object.
> - SE window disappears if too many tabs.
> - Excessive disk use (for HDD/antivirus)
> - SE confusion about last insertion point/scroll.
> - Weird text hilites in SE."
> 
> ... Also more SE bugs:
> 
> - Messed up drags
> - Clipboard affected by SE editing
> - Invisible menus in stacks while SE open
> - Uncontrollable scrolling
> - Null filter needed when pasting
> - Certain errors do not trigger debugging
> - (Unable to save changes due to above Disassociation)
> - (Hard to set breakpoints due to above line # updating)
> - SE sometimes doesn't notice a copy or paste keystroke
> - "Find in>Docs" will not be noticed by newbies
> - Sometimes either "on" or "end" gets clipped/disappears
> -  (and there are more; this is a few)
> 
> All from memory, haven't rechecked them.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy
> 
> Custom Software Development
> "Better Methods, Better Results"
> LiveCode Training and Consulting
> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
> 
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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Craig:

> I am on a Mac. Ever since the red dot issue was resolved
> a few versions ago I have seen none of these issues.

Not seeing and not having are two different things. :)

It may be conflating topics; note the wide range of bugs
that I just listed. Incredible variety. Off the top of my head.

Some of these I specifically saw first on MAC OS, not Windows.
Some from Mac-only LC users. Not a platform-specific bug list.

Unrechecked, so a handful of these may have been fixed or improved.

But absolutely not all; I've seen some of them lately,
and my eyes have witnessed conversation about them too.

Just FYI; having said that, very glad it's been smooth coding for you!

> My longest single script anywhere is about 2000 lines

Great idea wherever possible; shorter code has multiple advantages.

(Hope the quick list helps with any bug efforts.
I'm sicker again; probably my last post this week.)

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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Craig Newman via use-livecode]

I am on a Mac. Ever since the red dot issue was resolved a few versions ago I 
have seen none of these issues. I go back and forth from a handful of stacks to 
the SE without anything noticeable popping up to bother me. My longest single 
script anywhere is about 2000 lines.

Craig

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 9:08 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Me:
> 
> > Separate LC 9 SE Bugs we have, or had:
> 
> "- Performance and practical script size limit.
> - This one, line # updating.
> - Messed up handler indentation.
> - Disassociation of SE from script's object.
> - SE window disappears if too many tabs.
> - Excessive disk use (for HDD/antivirus)
> - SE confusion about last insertion point/scroll.
> - Weird text hilites in SE."
> 
> ... Also more SE bugs:
> 
> - Messed up drags
> - Clipboard affected by SE editing
> - Invisible menus in stacks while SE open
> - Uncontrollable scrolling
> - Null filter needed when pasting
> - Certain errors do not trigger debugging
> - (Unable to save changes due to above Disassociation)
> - (Hard to set breakpoints due to above line # updating)
> - SE sometimes doesn't notice a copy or paste keystroke
> - "Find in>Docs" will not be noticed by newbies
> - Sometimes either "on" or "end" gets clipped/disappears
> -  (and there are more; this is a few)
> 
> All from memory, haven't rechecked them.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy
> 
> Custom Software Development
> "Better Methods, Better Results"
> LiveCode Training and Consulting
> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
> 
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Starter Plan runtimes

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi all,

saw this on the LC website.

> Starter Plan
> ...
> Permanent Standalone(s)
> No. Standalone applications built with LiveCode Starter Plan 
> will expire if your subscription lapses. 

was I dreaming when I read on the forum, that this is NOT be the case anymore?


Best

Klaus
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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Me:

> Separate LC 9 SE Bugs we have, or had:

"- Performance and practical script size limit.
- This one, line # updating.
- Messed up handler indentation.
- Disassociation of SE from script's object.
- SE window disappears if too many tabs.
- Excessive disk use (for HDD/antivirus)
- SE confusion about last insertion point/scroll.
- Weird text hilites in SE."

... Also more SE bugs:

- Messed up drags
- Clipboard affected by SE editing
- Invisible menus in stacks while SE open
- Uncontrollable scrolling
- Null filter needed when pasting
- Certain errors do not trigger debugging
- (Unable to save changes due to above Disassociation)
- (Hard to set breakpoints due to above line # updating)
- SE sometimes doesn't notice a copy or paste keystroke
- "Find in>Docs" will not be noticed by newbies
- Sometimes either "on" or "end" gets clipped/disappears
-  (and there are more; this is a few)

All from memory, haven't rechecked them.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/


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