iOS 15 and Xcode Cant Install app

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I built an ad-hoc iOS app using Catalina 10.15.7 Xcode 12.4 and LC 9.6.3. A 
tester tried to install and got ("App name" Needs to be updated. The developer 
of this app need to update it to work with this version of iOS)
I know this was brought up on the list but was there a resolution?
From the Apple developer site: “Starting April 2022, all iOS and iPadOS apps 
submitted to the App Store must be built with Xcode 13 and the iOS 15 SDK”
Xcode 12.4 has the iOS 14.4 SDK so I should be OK until 4/2022. The tester had 
a pre installed version the app that used the iOS 13 SDK built last year that 
ran OK until they tried to install the new app. Could this be an LC issue 
(plist?) or did Apple change the rules? It seems that the older SDKs will run 
but just can't be installed. Is this an ad-hoc app only problem??
I've seen conflicting info while doing some searches.
Does anyone know?
Thanks in advance

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net



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Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

They're only used for uploading or editing stacks that you want to 
share. (Oh, now that I think about it, maybe also to rate a stack from 
someone else).


I thought about just removing those buttons from the plugin (IMHO, the 
upload/edit functions are fine as they are), but then I thought someone 
might spend time trying to find how to do those actions; better, I 
think, to have an obvious button which immediately tells you that the 
plugin doesn't support it.


The main reason for not including that functionality was that I felt it 
was just a bit "off" to have a plugin ask for your username/password; I 
was glad to find that there doesn't seem to much need to do that part.


Alex.

On 30/09/2021 18:50, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

This is really nice and fast, Alex. Thanks again for doing this as I’ve always felt that LC’s 
Sample Stacks is a great and often overlooked resource save for it’s interface. I note that 
"Log In" and "Sign Up" do not work. Is there any value in those items?

Roger


On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hmmm ... not sure why.

Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode

Or: start the IDE, and  in the toolbar (4th or so from the right) is "Sample 
Stacks".

Then

  - select "View as: List"

  - select "All" on left hand side

  - select "Sort by: Date"

  - then reverse order the sort - and it's the most recent one !!


Or - select "Plugin" in the tags column (5th one down), then type "sample" in the search 
box and hit "Go"

Alex.


On 30/09/2021 16:17, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you described.

Roger


On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
 wrote:


On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:


Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in 
there but it has the issues you list.

So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. There's an old joke about 
a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, and ask for directions from an old farmer at the 
side of the road. "Well", says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from 
here."

I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how to 
solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom line is 
that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login / register / 
upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the searching / 
browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either (very) poor 
performance or unclear UI.

In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I wrote 
a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / downloading parts, 
and which omits the login/upload parts entirely.

It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called "Sample 
Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in the usual way.

UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit.

  - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the "Go" 
button was removed

- everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed.

  - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or 
understand)

  -  tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized

  - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and 
scrolled

There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling using mousepad 
doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems to be enough to 
"revive" it.

Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions.

Thanks

Alex.




(*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to 
being lost and so would never have asked the question :-)



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Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

This is really nice and fast, Alex. Thanks again for doing this as I’ve always 
felt that LC’s Sample Stacks is a great and often overlooked resource save for 
it’s interface. I note that "Log In" and "Sign Up" do not work. Is there any 
value in those items?

Roger

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm ... not sure why.
> 
> Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode
> 
> Or: start the IDE, and  in the toolbar (4th or so from the right) is "Sample 
> Stacks".
> 
> Then
> 
>  - select "View as: List"
> 
>  - select "All" on left hand side
> 
>  - select "Sort by: Date"
> 
>  - then reverse order the sort - and it's the most recent one !!
> 
> 
> Or - select "Plugin" in the tags column (5th one down), then type "sample" in 
> the search box and hit "Go"
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> On 30/09/2021 16:17, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>> This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you 
>> described.
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
 On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:
 
> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content 
> in there but it has the issues you list.
>>> So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. 
>>> There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, 
>>> and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", 
>>> says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here."
>>> 
>>> I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how 
>>> to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom 
>>> line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login 
>>> / register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the 
>>> searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either 
>>> (very) poor performance or unclear UI.
>>> 
>>> In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I 
>>> wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / 
>>> downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely.
>>> 
>>> It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called 
>>> "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in 
>>> the usual way.
>>> 
>>> UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit.
>>> 
>>>  - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the 
>>> "Go" button was removed
>>> 
>>> - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed.
>>> 
>>>  - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or 
>>> understand)
>>> 
>>>  -  tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized
>>> 
>>>  - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and 
>>> scrolled
>>> 
>>> There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling 
>>> using mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems 
>>> to be enough to "revive" it.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to 
>>> being lost and so would never have asked the question :-)
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

Ah, it worked this time. I thought one might need your plugin to find your 
plugin….

Thanks,

Roger

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm ... not sure why.
> 
> Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode
> 
> Or: start the IDE, and  in the toolbar (4th or so from the right) is "Sample 
> Stacks".
> 
> Then
> 
>  - select "View as: List"
> 
>  - select "All" on left hand side
> 
>  - select "Sort by: Date"
> 
>  - then reverse order the sort - and it's the most recent one !!
> 
> 
> Or - select "Plugin" in the tags column (5th one down), then type "sample" in 
> the search box and hit "Go"
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> On 30/09/2021 16:17, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>> This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you 
>> described.
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
 On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:
 
> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content 
> in there but it has the issues you list.
>>> So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. 
>>> There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, 
>>> and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", 
>>> says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here."
>>> 
>>> I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how 
>>> to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom 
>>> line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login 
>>> / register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the 
>>> searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either 
>>> (very) poor performance or unclear UI.
>>> 
>>> In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I 
>>> wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / 
>>> downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely.
>>> 
>>> It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called 
>>> "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in 
>>> the usual way.
>>> 
>>> UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit.
>>> 
>>>  - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the 
>>> "Go" button was removed
>>> 
>>> - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed.
>>> 
>>>  - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or 
>>> understand)
>>> 
>>>  -  tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized
>>> 
>>>  - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and 
>>> scrolled
>>> 
>>> There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling 
>>> using mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems 
>>> to be enough to "revive" it.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to 
>>> being lost and so would never have asked the question :-)
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

Hmmm ... not sure why.

Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode

Or: start the IDE, and  in the toolbar (4th or so from the right) is 
"Sample Stacks".


Then

 - select "View as: List"

 - select "All" on left hand side

 - select "Sort by: Date"

 - then reverse order the sort - and it's the most recent one !!


Or - select "Plugin" in the tags column (5th one down), then type 
"sample" in the search box and hit "Go"


Alex.


On 30/09/2021 16:17, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you described.

Roger


On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
 wrote:


On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:


Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in 
there but it has the issues you list.

So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. There's an old joke about 
a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, and ask for directions from an old farmer at the 
side of the road. "Well", says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from 
here."

I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how to 
solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom line is 
that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login / register / 
upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the searching / 
browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either (very) poor 
performance or unclear UI.

In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I wrote 
a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / downloading parts, 
and which omits the login/upload parts entirely.

It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called "Sample 
Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in the usual way.

UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit.

  - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the "Go" 
button was removed

- everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed.

  - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or 
understand)

  -  tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized

  - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and 
scrolled

There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling using mousepad 
doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems to be enough to 
"revive" it.

Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions.

Thanks

Alex.




(*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to 
being lost and so would never have asked the question :-)



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Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

There’s an old joke about a tourist in Maine asking a local for directions and 
an old farmer says “You can’t get theya from hereya”.

Roger

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you 
> described. 
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:
>>> 
 Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content 
 in there but it has the issues you list.
>> 
>> So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. 
>> There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, 
>> and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", 
>> says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here."
>> 
>> I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how 
>> to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom 
>> line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login / 
>> register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the 
>> searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either (very) 
>> poor performance or unclear UI.
>> 
>> In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I 
>> wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / 
>> downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely.
>> 
>> It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called 
>> "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in the 
>> usual way.
>> 
>> UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit.
>> 
>> - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the 
>> "Go" button was removed
>> 
>> - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed.
>> 
>> - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or 
>> understand)
>> 
>> -  tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized
>> 
>> - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and 
>> scrolled
>> 
>> There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling 
>> using mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems to 
>> be enough to "revive" it.
>> 
>> Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Alex.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to 
>> being lost and so would never have asked the question :-)
>> 
>> 
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Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you 
described. 

Roger

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>>> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in 
>>> there but it has the issues you list.
> 
> So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. 
> There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, 
> and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", 
> says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here."
> 
> I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how 
> to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom 
> line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login / 
> register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the 
> searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either (very) 
> poor performance or unclear UI.
> 
> In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I 
> wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / 
> downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely.
> 
> It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called 
> "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in the 
> usual way.
> 
> UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit.
> 
>  - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the 
> "Go" button was removed
> 
> - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed.
> 
>  - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or 
> understand)
> 
>  -  tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized
> 
>  - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and 
> scrolled
> 
> There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling using 
> mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems to be 
> enough to "revive" it.
> 
> Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to 
> being lost and so would never have asked the question :-)
> 
> 
> 
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OT Re: Testers wanted for score tracking app

[David V Glasgow via use-livecode]

I visited Finland in 40 years ago, and saw someone playing kyykkä

Much to the amusement of my host, I initially thought I was witnessing someone 
deranged throwing a stick at tins of beans.

> On 30 Sep 2021, at 3:30 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Mark! 
> 
> Here is a decent video on how to play (less than 2 minutes)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fwtBomGp7Q 
> 
> 
> And here are the basics in text:
> 
> ---
> 12 wooden pins, numbered 1-12, are set up close together.
> 
> Players stand 3-4 meters away and take turns trying to knock over pins with a 
> special throwing pin.
> 
> If a player knocks down one pin, the number on the pin is the score.
> If a player knocks down more than one pin, the number of fallen pins is the 
> score.
> 
> After each throw and score count, all fallen pins are raised up at the exact 
> point where they fell (resulting in an ever more scattered field).
> 
> After the first round, each new round starts with the player with the lowest 
> score etc.
> 
> The first player to reach exactly 50 points is the winner, and the game then 
> ends.
> 
> If a player ends up scoring over 50 points, their total score is reduced to 
> 25 points (but they remain in the game).
> If a player scores 0 (misses all pins) three times in a row, they are 
> eliminated from the game.
> 
> If only one player remains in the game, they are the winner regardless of 
> score.
> ---
> 
> Now, to test the app, pretend to be a few people playing, and just make up a 
> score from 0-12 for each throw.
> 
> Suggested things to test:
> Let someone get 0 three times in a row. 
> Let someone overshoot 50. 
> Let someone win, etc. 
> Shut down the app mid-game and check that it resumes the active game 
> correctly.
> Click the Undo button to correct (imagined) mistakes in the scoring
> Modify the rules in the Settings section
> Change voices for the announcements (and language if you want :)
> Delete a previous games
> Delete a player
> Find a bug (if you can! :D)
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Re: Testers wanted for score tracking app

[Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode]

Thanks Mark! 

Here is a decent video on how to play (less than 2 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fwtBomGp7Q 


And here are the basics in text:

---
12 wooden pins, numbered 1-12, are set up close together.

Players stand 3-4 meters away and take turns trying to knock over pins with a 
special throwing pin.

If a player knocks down one pin, the number on the pin is the score.
If a player knocks down more than one pin, the number of fallen pins is the 
score.

After each throw and score count, all fallen pins are raised up at the exact 
point where they fell (resulting in an ever more scattered field).

After the first round, each new round starts with the player with the lowest 
score etc.

The first player to reach exactly 50 points is the winner, and the game then 
ends.

If a player ends up scoring over 50 points, their total score is reduced to 25 
points (but they remain in the game).
If a player scores 0 (misses all pins) three times in a row, they are 
eliminated from the game.

If only one player remains in the game, they are the winner regardless of score.
---

Now, to test the app, pretend to be a few people playing, and just make up a 
score from 0-12 for each throw.

Suggested things to test:
Let someone get 0 three times in a row. 
Let someone overshoot 50. 
Let someone win, etc. 
Shut down the app mid-game and check that it resumes the active game correctly.
Click the Undo button to correct (imagined) mistakes in the scoring
Modify the rules in the Settings section
Change voices for the announcements (and language if you want :)
Delete a previous games
Delete a player
Find a bug (if you can! :D)
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Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:

Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of 
content in there but it has the issues you list.


So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. 
There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is 
lost, and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. 
"Well", says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here."


I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see 
how to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the 
bottom line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. 
The login / register / upload features all work just fine - the problems 
are with the searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related 
to either (very) poor performance or unclear UI.


In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead 
I wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / 
downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely.


It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's 
called "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a 
plugin in the usual way.


UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit.

 - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so 
the "Go" button was removed


- everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed.

 - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to 
use or understand)


 -  tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized

 - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged 
and scrolled


There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling 
using mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar 
seems to be enough to "revive" it.


Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions.

Thanks

Alex.




(*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted 
to being lost and so would never have asked the question :-)




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Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:


Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in 
there but it has the issues you list.

Kind regards,

Kevin


Some of these issues can easily be tackled as a community effort / 
project - but it's not clear to me how the more serious ones could be 
done without project leadership (or at least strong involvement) from LC 
Ltd. The ability to store things other than traditional stacks (e.g. 
widgets, script-only stacks, documentation pages, e-books, ...) and how 
that could be handled (or tested) on LC servers means they would need 
LCLtd to be heavily involved.


And the other half of that project (i.e. providing infrastructure 
support for library/LCS stacks) in the IDE/engine is certainly outside 
the scope of a community project. For me, this includes things like


 - standard place to keep stacks/libraries  (e.g., maybe, My 
Livecode/Libraries ?)


 - preference to change that in IDE, perhaps specialFolderPath("libraries")

 - naming scheme or convention (cf what was done for widgets)

 - a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries

 - integration into the dictionary (cf widgets again)

 - ability to add e.g. custom controls to the toolbar (cf widgets).

and no doubt many others that I haven't even thought of.

Without those, I think we will continue to struggle with a limited set 
of community-provided libraries and tools, compared to the rich 
ecosystem this *incredibly helpful* community should be able to provide.


But, getting my head own out of the clouds, I've had a look at this as a 
community project - see separate email.


For anyone who got this far - thanks for your patience :-),

Alex.



Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself

On 06/09/2021, 14:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Alex Tweedly via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

 In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample
 Stacks"), but didn't say how or why. Here the answer to that ...

 It has:

 - no differentiation between 'libraries' and 'examples'

 - it has no support for script-only stacks, which is surely the way most
 libraries will be done nowadays.

 - a left hand scrolling box with ~90 'categories', in no particular
 order, no grouping

 - grid vs list view - list shows you a list, which is basically the same
 as a 1-wide grid rather than 2-wide, plus a larger view of some random
 other item (OK, it's not random - it simply doesn't update when it should)

 - updates when you click on the picture - but gives no cursor hint that
 you can do that

 - a drop-down list for sort order - which isn't sized adequately when
 you first open revonline

 - a 'search' box which must search something, but I don't know what.
 There is a sample stack called "Compare stack scripts", and which is
 tagged as "compare" - but isn't found if you search for "compare".

 - and I usually find things via "browser + google" (or similar) and the
 stuff in samples stacks isn't visible that way.

 H - maybe I've just found my next project :-)

 Alex.


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Re: Testers wanted for score tracking app

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Hi Andreas, I look forward to testing your app and will let you know how it 
goes. In terms of random scores, what is a good range of values to work with 
(what is the game range?)

Thanks
Mark

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’ll soon release an app made with LiveCode to the App Store, but I’d like to 
> have a few more external testers first to catch whatever I’ve missed.
> 
> The app is called MölkkyMaster and is used for tracking the score when 
> playing the outdoor throwing game Mölkky. The game is popular in some Nordic 
> countries, France and a few other countries. It originates from Finland.
> 
> Anyway, you don’t need to play Mölkky, or even have a clue how to, to help me 
> test the app. Just create a few players and start a game. Then assign random 
> score to the players until someone reaches 50 points.
> 
> The app is multilingual, currently English, French and Swedish. German and 
> Finnish is in the works. The app talks, and you can select different voices 
> relevant to the language chosen.
> 
> To test, you need an iPhone or iPad and the TestFlight app installed. Then 
> use this link to download the app:
> https://testflight.apple.com/join/c8gKjIRJ
> 
> Soon I’ll also have an Android version released for testing. I’ve optimized 
> the app for iOS, but almost everything worked ’out of the box’ when I used 
> the same stack for an Android build. Love LiveCode!
> 
> If you’ve never played Mölkky, the aspect of how well the app suits its 
> intended target group would naturally be hard to judge. 
> So, instead, I hope you’ll just try breaking the app and report back any 
> technical errors, or shortcomings in the interaction design etc.
> 
> In any case, any feedback is highly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andreas
> 
> — 
> Andreas Bergendal
> WhenInSpace
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Testers wanted for score tracking app

[Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode]

Hi all,

I’ll soon release an app made with LiveCode to the App Store, but I’d like to 
have a few more external testers first to catch whatever I’ve missed.

The app is called MölkkyMaster and is used for tracking the score when playing 
the outdoor throwing game Mölkky. The game is popular in some Nordic countries, 
France and a few other countries. It originates from Finland.

Anyway, you don’t need to play Mölkky, or even have a clue how to, to help me 
test the app. Just create a few players and start a game. Then assign random 
score to the players until someone reaches 50 points.

The app is multilingual, currently English, French and Swedish. German and 
Finnish is in the works. The app talks, and you can select different voices 
relevant to the language chosen.

To test, you need an iPhone or iPad and the TestFlight app installed. Then use 
this link to download the app:
https://testflight.apple.com/join/c8gKjIRJ

Soon I’ll also have an Android version released for testing. I’ve optimized the 
app for iOS, but almost everything worked ’out of the box’ when I used the same 
stack for an Android build. Love LiveCode!

If you’ve never played Mölkky, the aspect of how well the app suits its 
intended target group would naturally be hard to judge. 
So, instead, I hope you’ll just try breaking the app and report back any 
technical errors, or shortcomings in the interaction design etc.

In any case, any feedback is highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Andreas

— 
Andreas Bergendal
WhenInSpace
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