Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I didn't know the keystroke for infinity.

Bob S


> On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:35 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> hey, bob, inflation isn't that bad, yet. the extra ellipses on the end...
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Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[scott--- via use-livecode]

+1

> On Oct 27, 2021, at 5:30 AM, chipsm themartinz.com via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thankyou Heather.
> I use the List to learn and explore new concepts using LiveCode. I find 
> myself spending a lot time these days deleting many post that are meaningless 
> because of these needless Rants.
> I use or try to use LiveCode because it is so versatile and exciting.
> I'd like to spend my time exploring and learning and not deleting useless 
> post.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Clarence Martin
> Email: chi...@themartinz.com
> Cell: (626)696-5561
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of 
> Heather Laine via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 5:00 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Cc: Heather Laine 
> Subject: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy
> 
> Dear List Folks,
> 
> This list is intended for users to help each other in the use of LiveCode. 
> Sometimes LC staff get involved and help out here also. It can be a great 
> place to constructively discuss improvements. It is not a place to take 
> potshots at each other, at LiveCode or at LiveCode staff. In the future, if a 
> list member is perceived to be doing this by myself or by a reasonable set of 
> other list members, they will be banned. 
> 
> For the avoidance of doubt, by taking potshots I mean:
> 
> Accusations of untruths, lying or lack of integrity Persistently pointing out 
> flaws in LiveCode without any positive suggestions on resolution Namecalling 
> of any kind General rudeness - please re-read your post before sending and 
> check it for tone
> 
> Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What everyone is not entitled to do is 
> express unfounded negative opinions about LiveCode and its staff on this 
> list, which is run by LiveCode, for LiveCode, and for the benefit of 
> LiveCode's users.
> 
> I trust I make myself clear. This warning will not be repeated. 
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] M1 Mac Mini USB problems

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I had exactly the same problem with one of my backup drives, though it was running on an iMac 
that's older. Tried to fix it with Disk Utility and somewhere during the file analysis it 
borked and said it couldn't continue. Then it wouldn't mount. It was effectively hosed, so I 
took it over to my Chromebook and it mounted there just fine, though some of the files were 
missing. So I reformatted it for the Chromebook.


Then I took it back to my Mac and it mounted and I was able to reformat for Mac. Very strange. 
Lost the backups, but it started a new set. I still had the old backups on my second drive, so 
not all was lost.


My thinking is that it was Disk Utility or the Finder database.

On 10/27/21 10:45 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

I am having problems with my new 2020 Mac Mini's USB ports. The new time 
machine disk will only backup a gig or two before erroring out. Then the disk 
is then is not mountable. All sorts of errors when trying first aid or trying 
to mount it via first aid. Sent the disk back and the new one did the same 
thing. I can init it on the win 10 system and then the Mac Mini sees it again. 
I thought it was an unpowered USB-A hub issue. I then got the power supply for 
the hub and same thing. I bought an USB-C hub and again same thing. Plugged the 
Drive directly into the Mac Mini and same problems. My USB keyboard/mouse will 
not work reliably using either the USB-A or C hub. It seems that the Mac Mini's 
USB HW/SW is flakey.

Has anyone else seen/heard anything like this?

This is very annoying after dropping over a yard and a half on this thing to 
replace my perfectly running Mac Book Pro so I could upgrade to Big Sur.



--
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Devin Asay via use-livecode]

And, like magic, I got a followup request to complete the survey today. Somehow 
I missed the first request.

Submitted my 10 “boogs”.

- Devin

> On Oct 27, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well then it remains for someone to explain how I got the survey recently in 
> my inbox. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2021, at 03:47 , Richmond via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a feeling that the whole thing was a chimaera that disappeared almost 
>> as soon
>> as it was mooted.
>> 
>> Certainly, without any indications to the opposite from LC centre I feel 
>> that is the
>> way we should behave.
>> 
>> Richmond.
>> 
>> On 27.10.21 12:58, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got three 
>>> other livecode newsletters in October.
>>> 
>>> Tiemo
>>> 
>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>>> Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von 
>>> Devin Asay via use-livecode
>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Oktober 2021 20:03
>>> An: How to use LiveCode 
>>> Cc: Devin Asay 
>>> Betreff: Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)
>>> 
>>> I didn’t receive it either.
>>> 
>>> - Devin
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 @Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. 
 I will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. 
 @Jacque and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will 
 try and ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm 
 am out of time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close 
 this survey quickly. We want plenty of input.
 
 Best Regards to all,
 
 Heather
 
 Heather Laine
 Customer Services Manager
 LiveCode Ltd
 www.livecode.com
 
 
 
> On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly
> checked any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions?
> There is not a chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to
> stop sending me random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
> Sean
> 
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It
>> does not tell me when or how.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Come on, how should Matthias know?
>>> He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 
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Re: [OT] M1 Mac Mini USB problems

[Jim At Consensus via use-livecode]

Can’t really help but would be surprised if Mini issue?

I’ve had issues with swapping things on my USB hub. I have a 10 port powered 
Aukey hub; 3 of the ports are power only for charging things without mounting. 
On the others, when I plug in a new accessory everything dismounts for a bit 
and then comes back. I haven’t figured out why and just avoid inserting things 
while other activities are going on. I leave a lightning cable or two plugged 
in even if not using them as the problem seems to only occur when I insert 
something into the USB ports on the hub and not when I mount something to a 
previously connected cable (though I could just be missing the issue).

J

Sent from Jim's iPhone XR
Please excuse brevity, typos and errors

> On Oct 27, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am having problems with my new 2020 Mac Mini's USB ports. The new time 
> machine disk will only backup a gig or two before erroring out. Then the disk 
> is then is not mountable. All sorts of errors when trying first aid or trying 
> to mount it via first aid. Sent the disk back and the new one did the same 
> thing. I can init it on the win 10 system and then the Mac Mini sees it 
> again. I thought it was an unpowered USB-A hub issue. I then got the power 
> supply for the hub and same thing. I bought an USB-C hub and again same 
> thing. Plugged the Drive directly into the Mac Mini and same problems. My USB 
> keyboard/mouse will not work reliably using either the USB-A or C hub. It 
> seems that the Mac Mini's USB HW/SW is flakey. 
> 
> Has anyone else seen/heard anything like this?
> 
> This is very annoying after dropping over a yard and a half on this thing to 
> replace my perfectly running Mac Book Pro so I could upgrade to Big Sur.
> 
> 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
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Re: [OT] M1 Mac Mini USB problems

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Ralph:

> I am having problems with my new 2020 Mac Mini's USB ports.

No problems on mine. Looks like you got the proverbial "bad apple."
(I would check ASAP into return/exchange/warranty or etc.)

Here I use USB keyboard/mouse, and it's consistent.
USB drive for data a few times - didn't hit a limit.

I insisted on a Made in Malaysia machine, and did NOT upgrade memory.
Straight from the original factory pristine was my preference!

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
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Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

hey, bob, inflation isn't that bad, yet. the extra ellipses on the end...
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[OT] M1 Mac Mini USB problems

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I am having problems with my new 2020 Mac Mini's USB ports. The new time 
machine disk will only backup a gig or two before erroring out. Then the disk 
is then is not mountable. All sorts of errors when trying first aid or trying 
to mount it via first aid. Sent the disk back and the new one did the same 
thing. I can init it on the win 10 system and then the Mac Mini sees it again. 
I thought it was an unpowered USB-A hub issue. I then got the power supply for 
the hub and same thing. I bought an USB-C hub and again same thing. Plugged the 
Drive directly into the Mac Mini and same problems. My USB keyboard/mouse will 
not work reliably using either the USB-A or C hub. It seems that the Mac Mini's 
USB HW/SW is flakey. 

Has anyone else seen/heard anything like this?

This is very annoying after dropping over a yard and a half on this thing to 
replace my perfectly running Mac Book Pro so I could upgrade to Big Sur.



Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

+1.

> On Oct 27, 2021, at 04:59 , Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear List Folks,
> 
> This list is intended for users to help each other in the use of LiveCode. 
> Sometimes LC staff get involved and help out here also. It can be a great 
> place to constructively discuss improvements. It is not a place to take 
> potshots at each other, at LiveCode or at LiveCode staff. In the future, if a 
> list member is perceived to be doing this by myself or by a reasonable set of 
> other list members, they will be banned. 
> 
> For the avoidance of doubt, by taking potshots I mean:
> 
> Accusations of untruths, lying or lack of integrity
> Persistently pointing out flaws in LiveCode without any positive suggestions 
> on resolution
> Namecalling of any kind
> General rudeness - please re-read your post before sending and check it for 
> tone
> 
> Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What everyone is not entitled to do is 
> express unfounded negative opinions about LiveCode and its staff on this 
> list, which is run by LiveCode, for LiveCode, and for the benefit of 
> LiveCode's users.
> 
> I trust I make myself clear. This warning will not be repeated. 
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Well then it remains for someone to explain how I got the survey recently in my 
inbox. 

Bob S


> On Oct 27, 2021, at 03:47 , Richmond via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a feeling that the whole thing was a chimaera that disappeared almost 
> as soon
> as it was mooted.
> 
> Certainly, without any indications to the opposite from LC centre I feel that 
> is the
> way we should behave.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 27.10.21 12:58, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote:
>> I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got three 
>> other livecode newsletters in October.
>> 
>> Tiemo
>> 
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von 
>> Devin Asay via use-livecode
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Oktober 2021 20:03
>> An: How to use LiveCode 
>> Cc: Devin Asay 
>> Betreff: Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)
>> 
>> I didn’t receive it either.
>> 
>> - Devin
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> @Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
>>> will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. 
>>> @Jacque and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will 
>>> try and ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm 
>>> am out of time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close 
>>> this survey quickly. We want plenty of input.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards to all,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> www.livecode.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly
 checked any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions?
 There is not a chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to
 stop sending me random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
 Sean
 
 On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
> I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It
> does not tell me when or how.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Come on, how should Matthias know?
>> He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 
>> 
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Re: [OT] Multiple macOS recommendation sought

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Whaaa?? If you Mac Mini is not booting from the correct Startup disk, you have 
a corrupted system. That is not an "Reliability" issue. I've been using Macs 
since their inception, and have never had an issue with dual booting systems 
(once they were supported). In fact Macs had the ability to boot from a USB 
drive long before Windows supported it. Holding the option key down on startup 
allows you to choose the startup disk on the fly. 

I haven't had a ton of experience with dual booting Windows systems, but it 
worked reliably enough when I did. Back then it took some setting up, but it 
worked. 

Bob S


> On Oct 27, 2021, at 03:57 , Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Paul:
> 
> > problems switching between boot partitions where
> > the Mini would forget what Startup disk it should boot from.
> 
> I like the concept of multi-boot, but never use it.
> Neither Windows nor Mac seems reliable enough for that.
> (I had a couple bad experiences early on that weaned me off it.)


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LC Survey - thanks for keeping it open

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Heather:

> don't worry, we're not going to close this survey quickly.
> We want plenty of input.

Thanks for the extra survey time!
I was bogged down the last few days.

Please keep it open a little longer;
just now getting to it today
Happy to see it's still available.

(Better survey format this time, than in the past, IMO.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[e.beugelaar--- via use-livecode]

Amen

Met vriendelijke groet,
Erik Beugelaar

From: use-livecode  on behalf of chipsm 
themartinz.com via use-livecode 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 2:30:40 PM
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: chipsm themartinz.com 
Subject: RE: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

Thankyou Heather.
I use the List to learn and explore new concepts using LiveCode. I find myself 
spending a lot time these days deleting many post that are meaningless because 
of these needless Rants.
I use or try to use LiveCode because it is so versatile and exciting.
I'd like to spend my time exploring and learning and not deleting useless post.

Sincerely,
Clarence Martin
Email: chi...@themartinz.com
Cell: (626)696-5561

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Heather 
Laine via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 5:00 AM
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Heather Laine 
Subject: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

Dear List Folks,

This list is intended for users to help each other in the use of LiveCode. 
Sometimes LC staff get involved and help out here also. It can be a great place 
to constructively discuss improvements. It is not a place to take potshots at 
each other, at LiveCode or at LiveCode staff. In the future, if a list member 
is perceived to be doing this by myself or by a reasonable set of other list 
members, they will be banned.

For the avoidance of doubt, by taking potshots I mean:

Accusations of untruths, lying or lack of integrity Persistently pointing out 
flaws in LiveCode without any positive suggestions on resolution Namecalling of 
any kind General rudeness - please re-read your post before sending and check 
it for tone

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What everyone is not entitled to do is 
express unfounded negative opinions about LiveCode and its staff on this list, 
which is run by LiveCode, for LiveCode, and for the benefit of LiveCode's users.

I trust I make myself clear. This warning will not be repeated.

Warmest Regards,

Heather


Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




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RE: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[chipsm themartinz.com via use-livecode]

Thankyou Heather.
I use the List to learn and explore new concepts using LiveCode. I find myself 
spending a lot time these days deleting many post that are meaningless because 
of these needless Rants.
I use or try to use LiveCode because it is so versatile and exciting.
I'd like to spend my time exploring and learning and not deleting useless post.

Sincerely,
Clarence Martin
Email: chi...@themartinz.com
Cell: (626)696-5561

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Heather 
Laine via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 5:00 AM
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Heather Laine 
Subject: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

Dear List Folks,

This list is intended for users to help each other in the use of LiveCode. 
Sometimes LC staff get involved and help out here also. It can be a great place 
to constructively discuss improvements. It is not a place to take potshots at 
each other, at LiveCode or at LiveCode staff. In the future, if a list member 
is perceived to be doing this by myself or by a reasonable set of other list 
members, they will be banned. 

For the avoidance of doubt, by taking potshots I mean:

Accusations of untruths, lying or lack of integrity Persistently pointing out 
flaws in LiveCode without any positive suggestions on resolution Namecalling of 
any kind General rudeness - please re-read your post before sending and check 
it for tone

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What everyone is not entitled to do is 
express unfounded negative opinions about LiveCode and its staff on this list, 
which is run by LiveCode, for LiveCode, and for the benefit of LiveCode's users.

I trust I make myself clear. This warning will not be repeated. 

Warmest Regards,

Heather


Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




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Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear List Folks,

This list is intended for users to help each other in the use of LiveCode. 
Sometimes LC staff get involved and help out here also. It can be a great place 
to constructively discuss improvements. It is not a place to take potshots at 
each other, at LiveCode or at LiveCode staff. In the future, if a list member 
is perceived to be doing this by myself or by a reasonable set of other list 
members, they will be banned. 

For the avoidance of doubt, by taking potshots I mean:

Accusations of untruths, lying or lack of integrity
Persistently pointing out flaws in LiveCode without any positive suggestions on 
resolution
Namecalling of any kind
General rudeness - please re-read your post before sending and check it for tone

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What everyone is not entitled to do is 
express unfounded negative opinions about LiveCode and its staff on this list, 
which is run by LiveCode, for LiveCode, and for the benefit of LiveCode's users.

I trust I make myself clear. This warning will not be repeated. 

Warmest Regards,

Heather


Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

The newsletters are directly from  Livecode. The surveys were sent by a company 
on behalf of Livecode Ltd. 

If you ever opted out to receive Livecode surveys then this is only affects the 
surveys  sent out by that other company and does not have any influence on your 
newsletter subscription.

Matthias





> Am 27.10.2021 um 11:58 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got three 
> other livecode newsletters in October.
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von 
> Devin Asay via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Oktober 2021 20:03
> An: How to use LiveCode 
> Cc: Devin Asay 
> Betreff: Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)
> 
> I didn’t receive it either. 
> 
> - Devin
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> @Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
>> will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. 
>> @Jacque and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will 
>> try and ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm 
>> am out of time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close 
>> this survey quickly. We want plenty of input.
>> 
>> Best Regards to all,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly 
>>> checked any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions? 
>>> There is not a chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to 
>>> stop sending me random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode < 
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It 
 does not tell me when or how.
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Heather
 
 Heather Laine
 Customer Services Manager
 LiveCode Ltd
 www.livecode.com
 
 
 
> On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Come on, how should Matthias know?
> He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 
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Re: AW: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Richmond via use-livecode]

"Building trust" . . . Yes, well, humph.

On 27.10.21 14:06, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks it was only supposed to be known by a
few LC users but someone let the cat out of the bag. ;) Building trust in
the brand :D I went back through all my Survey Monkey requests and checked
out my SM account. No indication of opting out ever.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 11:47, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I have a feeling that the whole thing was a chimaera that disappeared
almost as soon
as it was mooted.

Certainly, without any indications to the opposite from LC centre I feel
that is the
way we should behave.

Richmond.

On 27.10.21 12:58, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote:

I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got

three other livecode newsletters in October.

Tiemo


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Re: AW: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Sean Cole via use-livecode]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks it was only supposed to be known by a
few LC users but someone let the cat out of the bag. ;) Building trust in
the brand :D I went back through all my Survey Monkey requests and checked
out my SM account. No indication of opting out ever.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 11:47, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have a feeling that the whole thing was a chimaera that disappeared
> almost as soon
> as it was mooted.
>
> Certainly, without any indications to the opposite from LC centre I feel
> that is the
> way we should behave.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 27.10.21 12:58, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote:
> > I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got
> three other livecode newsletters in October.
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
>
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Re: [OT] Multiple macOS recommendation sought

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Paul:

> problems switching between boot partitions where
> the Mini would forget what Startup disk it should boot from.

I like the concept of multi-boot, but never use it.
Neither Windows nor Mac seems reliable enough for that.
(I had a couple bad experiences early on that weaned me off it.)

> We added a Big Sur VM, but playing video does not work in the VM
> [...] We just tried a Monterey VM and it is unstable.

Virtual gives a lot of bang for the buck when it works,
but it's never, ever quite the same as a real system.

There will be false positives, false negatives, and so on.
Virtual testing only "suggests" rather than "proves" success.
(It's a tradeoff though; I've admired your omni-testing too.)

Another option is remote hardware access, where a monthly fee
gives you NN hours to log in using screen sharing, upload files,
and control machines of your choice for real testing.

I tried 2 or 3 of those services, and wish I could recommend it.
Actually I still would, but in the same bucket as VM with caveats:
despite the real hardware, it still wasn't quite the same.

The remote hardware was set up differently than a typical system,
plus networking, so still false positives, false negatives, etc.
Saved me a couple of times, messed me up a couple of times.

But a remote account will help you in certain situations,
as another tool in the box when you need it.

Phil:

> I left VMs behind in favor of minimally-configured actual hardware.

Yes, I only trust a real Mac and a real Windows PC for serious tests.
(And at least one real iDevice and Android device.)

Ideally a couple of machines per OS, but one of each now in practice,
until/if I have the time and the need to add older machines back in.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Biblical Methods, Better Results"
Christian LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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Re: AW: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I have a feeling that the whole thing was a chimaera that disappeared 
almost as soon

as it was mooted.

Certainly, without any indications to the opposite from LC centre I feel 
that is the

way we should behave.

Richmond.

On 27.10.21 12:58, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote:

I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got three 
other livecode newsletters in October.

Tiemo

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von Devin 
Asay via use-livecode
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Oktober 2021 20:03
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Devin Asay 
Betreff: Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

I didn’t receive it either.

- Devin


On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
 wrote:

@Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. @Jacque 
and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will try and 
ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm am out of 
time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close this survey 
quickly. We want plenty of input.

Best Regards to all,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly
checked any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions?
There is not a chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to
stop sending me random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
Sean

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It
does not tell me when or how.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:



Come on, how should Matthias know?

He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 

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AW: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Tiemo via use-livecode]

I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got three 
other livecode newsletters in October.

Tiemo

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von Devin 
Asay via use-livecode
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Oktober 2021 20:03
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Devin Asay 
Betreff: Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

I didn’t receive it either. 

- Devin

> On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> @Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
> will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. 
> @Jacque and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will try 
> and ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm am out 
> of time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close this 
> survey quickly. We want plenty of input.
> 
> Best Regards to all,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly 
>> checked any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions? 
>> There is not a chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to 
>> stop sending me random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
>> Sean
>> 
>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode < 
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It 
>>> does not tell me when or how.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> www.livecode.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
 
> Come on, how should Matthias know?
 He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 
 
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