Re: Delete and object from script within the object?
send deleteTheImage myImage to this stack in 0 seconds On 03 Dec 2014, at 22:57, William Prothero proth...@earthednet.org wrote: Folks: I’m trying to delete an image from a script within that image LC doesn’t like that because the script in the object hasn’t finished yet. —the image script is: on mouseUp put the name of me into myImage deleteTheImage myImage end mouseUp —In the stack script on deleteTheImage imageName delete image imageName end deleteTheImage The command failed because the “end mouseUp” has not executed and LC won’t delete the object where a script is running. How should I approach this? Is there a command to dispatch a message after a short delay? I know there must be, I just can’t find it. Regards, Bill William A. Prothero http://es.earthednet.org/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses
So basically, every one of you EU software sellers is going to be fucked. It seems that using the MOSS is only applicable if you yourself have a VAT identification number. Furthermore it seems to be opt in and not mandatory. Nontheless, it seems to me that you then will need to do the Vat stuff by hand, especially if you do not have a registered VAT identification number yourself, and can't use the MOSS. What is the benefit of using the MOSS? They don't tell. The rules themselves are horribly vague and open to a ton of interpretation. In regards to software, an automatic electronic service with no human interaction does not apply, using an example of a price comparison service site. But selling antivirus software in an automated online shop is included in the examples where the new rule applies... where is the human interaction in that? The best parts are those that try to deal with moving sale-targets, or people who buy something trough a local wifi, then disconnect and go trough data roaming... Hilarious, if it weren't so sad, especially as a customer supplied billing address is NOT a valid proof of location! Even worse are the rules about re-sale chains, which makes determining whose countries tax in the chain of resellers to apply from hard to impossible. This is such a top down heavy and unwieldy legislature, it's a wonder it hasn't been sued on the basis of being against human rights :-P This Austrian Page is pretty interesting for trying to be readable, but instead is a prime example of legalese-obtuse: https://english.bmf.gv.at/taxation/moss.html#heading_FAQs_Mini_One_Stop_Shop_MOSS_ There's also the practical guide Almanach-sized PDF from the EU (love the chart on page 61): http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/telecom/explanatory_notes_2015_en.pdf VAT rules per country, so you could do it by hand I guess: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf On 27 Nov 2014, at 14:23, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote: Hi Ian, thanks for bringing this to my attention. Until today i was not aware that there will be changes in EU law. At the moment i use 2 different ways to sell my license keys (which i create with Jacques great tool Zygodact) 1. Paypal from within my website There i am charging 19% VAT. That´s the german tax rate. 2. Kagi. This works very good. What i really love is, that i can use my Zygodact license generation stack. Kagi sent me a Template stack in which i integrated the Zygodact key generation stack. So all is now working automatically. Kagi is charging the VAT according to the country of the buyer. They take some money for handling. And to be true, it´s a little more than i would pay for Paypal. But i can live with that, because i have no more work except waiting for my payments from them. With Paypal i have to add each purchase to my account software/system and i have to create the license manually. With Kagi i just have to add one payment every 3 month (i set it for quarterly payment in my kagi seller account) to my accounting software. So for me this means, i just have to stop offering PayPal as purchase option. Regards, Matthias Am 27.11.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk: I searched and couldn't find any discussion on the list, and this affects rather a lot of us... http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/telecom/index_en.htm From Jan 1st, business-to-customer software sales within the EU have to charge VAT based on the buyer's country rather than the seller's country, then paying that VAT to that country. A question to anyone on the list with a smaller business or selling as an individual - what plans do you have to cope with this? Ian ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: hair-pulling frustration
On 13 Nov 2014, at 20:09, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 11/13/2014, 2:27 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Really, why wouldn't it be realistic to pay a bunch of students for a few hours of beta-testing (or should I say alpha-testing) some time in a development cycle? There's no way a few hours would catch much in a system as complex and large as LiveCode. It wouldn't make a dent. Whenever I sit down with LC, I find several problems/bugs/unwanted behaviours. Usually, after filing one or two bug reports, I stop using LC, because it's just too annoying to run into problems so often, and not being able to concentrate on my own tasks. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Keyboard Shortcuts in Menus
Question 1: The only works for Windows, where menus can be triggered with the keyboard. The character after the will be the one to trigger, and it'll be shown underlined. You can choose any char in a word, it doesn't need to be the first one, and the premade ones are chosen as per Windows human interface guidelines (for example T being the trigger for 'Cut', or R for 'Clear'). Question 2: I'm not sure, but one thing to note is that if you change menus, you of course also need to change scripts, for them to actually do anything useful. So if you change quit to exit, you need to accommodate for that in the script. For example if you use the Auto Script feature of the menu builder: --The following menuPick handler was generated by the Menu Builder. on menuPick pWhich switch pWhich case New --Insert script for New menu item here break -- some parts removed here for example purposes case Quit -- just add this line here for exit to do the same as quit: case Exit --Insert script for Quit menu item here break end switch end menuPick On 11 Nov 2014, at 16:32, Graham Samuel livf...@mac.com wrote: I'm using LC 7.0.1. Looking at both the LC User Guide and the Dictionary, I find that I don’t exactly understand the way you put keyboard shortcuts into menus and get them to activate, especially on Windows. I note for example: 1. The ‘’ character is always present in a menu item which is also intended to work as a keyboard shortcut, but it isn’t always at the beginning of the menu’s text. Is there are reason for this, or is it just wilful eccentricity on the part of the Menu Builder? 2. In a cross platform app, I use a script at startup to switch the last item of my 'File' menu from the Mac’s ‘Quit’ text Quit/Q to the Windows equivalent Exit/x This looks OK on the menu item display, but I don't think this works, even though the standard shortcuts (Cut, Copy, Paste) work in the 'Edit' menu, and they don't look any different in form. Naturally I may just have made a silly mistake, but so far I can't see what it is. Can anyone explain what is going on behind the scenes? BTW, I don't especially care for the Menu Builder, but it seems that the LC documentation assumes one is going to use it - maybe that's why the documentation is a bit sketchy. TIA Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecode Has Stopped Working
This should not happen. Did you try uninstalling, then reinstalling LC? Note that there is no 64 bit versions of LC, but that doesn't matters, because 32 bit applications should just work on any windows version. I think you need supp...@runrev.com On 10 Nov 2014, at 18:58, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote: Recently I had to factory reset Windows on my Acer Aspire, taking me back to 8.0. I re-downloaded Livecode 6.5.2, my favorite I've used for quite a while. I can launch it by double-clicking it directly, but a double-click on any of my stacks, even newly made empty stacks, launches it and immediately gives me an error that Livecode has stopped working. I also freeze if I launch Livecode, create a stack and then click Livecode's close box. I've found Livecode 7.0.1 (rc 1) works a little better but I'm still getting a lot of freezing and Livecode has stopped working errors. I'd like to think it's because I've downloaded a 32bit version of Livecode on my 64bit machine, but I don't see where any of the downloads specify which of these they're for. Any ideas? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: corrupted stack message
What LC version are you using to save, and what version to open it afterwards? This message often pops up when you open a stack saved with a newer stackFileVersion in an older LC version, one that doesn't know the new version. So if you save a stack with LC 7, and then try to open it with 6, then you'll get this message. Apparently a more friendly message was just added to the codebase, so future versions of LC should be more clear about stacks which got saved in a newer version. If this is the case, there's also a toggle in the settings, under files memory: Preserve stack file version on stacks saved in legacy format If however this is not the problem then, I suggest you send both the corrupted and the original versions of the stack to supp...@runrev.com, so they can find and remove whatever bug causes your stack to be corrupted. On 04 Nov 2014, at 05:08, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: I keep getting this message: There was a problem opening that stack; stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file Luckily I did have the stack backed up. I copied my backup to the folder (6.1.1 on Windows XP) and made a few changes. Then I saved the stack. When I went to reopen my new stack I got the same message. Any advice? TIA Larry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: card id not valid
The Inspector does not show the ID of cards by default, it only pretends to do it, by using card id as default name. If you change the name, you can see the real id appear on top of the inspector window. This is done in the IDE with a script and might possibly be confused in your case (that'd be an IDE bug). But maybe you are simply looking at the name of the Card, but assume it's actually the ID, when it isn't anymore? Relevant here is that the card ID can be set by script (but no one should ever do that, it's only meant for people who want to recreate stacks from scratch, that's also why it's not documented). So maybe you accidentally change the ID instead of the layer of the card in your script? Try this in the multi line message box, or a button, to see the real ID's of your cards, independent of weird IDE behaviours and other, similar pitfalls: repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards put the ID of card x cr after theResult end repeat put theResult On 01 Nov 2014, at 11:18, Friedrich F. Grohmann ffgrohm...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your response. So far, indeed, I've reshuffled the cards by setting the number and never had a problem. This strange situation arose when I wrote a script to move a larger number of cards to the end of the stack and then tried to reconnect the moved cards by their new ids to a button script. The really weird part is that in a number of cases it works more or less, but for other cards the id shown in the card inspector is not recognized at all. I have copies of the stack, so not everything is lost, but I just wonder how such a scenario is possible and whether the situation could be remedied. Thanks, Fritz On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 5:31 PM, FlexibleLearning.com ad...@flexiblelearning.com wrote: Sounds peculiar, unless the defaultStack has changed. Rather copy and paste to re-order the cards, have you tried setting the number of the card instead? This will retain the original card ID for continued navigation by ID. Hugh Senior FLCo Friedrich F. Grohmann ffgrohm...@gmail.com wrote I've run into a strange problem with a stack. After changing the order of a few cards (by way of copy/paste) a number of the involved cards will not respond to go card id xxx. The card inspector clearly indicates both name and number of those cards. However, if I try to proceed to the card by its id, the message box tells me No such card. If it's go cd yyy and yyy is the number of the card, no problem. I'm working with Livecode 5.5.4 and the stack involved has served me for a number of years so I don't think it is a problem of the version itself. Any suggestion how this could be solved? Thanks, Fritz ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: need some help with baseConvert()
LC is using base32Hex. That means valid chars are 0-9 and A-V. See also Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base32#base32hex On 24 Oct 2014, at 10:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de wrote: Hello, I am using: put baseConvert(number,32,10) into tResult QW I get an error -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: RELEASE LiveCode 7.0
They could at least improve the fakes a bit right now, because 8 is far away. On 24 Oct 2014, at 16:13, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Klaus major-k kl...@major-k.de wrote: This has been in Quality Center for more than three years now and we were hoping to have this finally fixed with the introduction of a Cocoa version: Klaus, One misconception (understandably) with the Cocoa version is that it affects how controls are rendered. Unfortunatley this is not the case. It does improve how windows are drawn, and how controls like the web browser integrate with the rest of the stack controls. But it doesn't change how LiveCode draws buttons, fields, etc.. LiveCode will be able to render native controls on OS X when we get Widgets (LC 8). -- Trevor DeVore ScreenSteps www.screensteps.com-www.clarify-it.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Secure Sockets
So can I safely assume that no one ever has tried to use secure sockets in LC? On 15 Oct 2014, at 18:59, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Hi all I'm rather uneducated with encryption stuff, so I wanted to try out secure sockets. However, most likely due to my incapability to understand what I'm doing, I've been unable to get a simple example working. I've used my own simplest socket client/server stacks from rev online, ran them in two different LC instances (because LC locks up if you do server and client in the same executable), and then I modified them to use secure stuff. First I simply set the client to use open secure socket to Funnily this would show what I assumed where encrypted handshake messages on the server side (gibberish). But of course I have no Idea about how to decrypt those, plus, that's probably not how things should work. I then Added a secure to the server side by using accept secure sockets on... which would actually result in a connection (note: secure is undocumented for accept so I have made a bug report in regards to that, because it seems to work just fine.) However, If I then try to send a message from the client to the server, it fails with these errors on their respective ends: client: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure server: error:1408A0C1:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:no shared cipher I assume that I am using the commands correctly, but that I guess I do need to specify the server to use a certificate? Questions Galore! - Has anyone done secure sockets with both server and client implemented in LC (or just the server)? - Is it possible to do a secure connection as CLIENT, when the certificate does not exist or remains unspecified on the client side? (I assume this is when I need to specify without verification)? - Is it possible to do a secure SERVER and not specify a certificate or a key on the server side? I guess not, but Is it possible to let LC do certificates and keys for me behind the curtains? - I'm testing on mac os x, so I can create a certificate using Keychain.app. What settings would I need to do there? - Is it insecure to issue a certificate for 127.0.0.1 (localhost)? - If I got a certificate that is applicable, how do I tell LC to use it as my server certificate? - SSLv3 Is deemed insecure. In case I ever get anything working, how can I disable SSL completely, and force my connections to always use TLS or even only TLSv1.2? - How about any of the other minuteas of cypher selection and key exchange, how can I do that manually? should I do that manually? Thank you for any information, and feel free to answer any questions even if only partially or guesswork. Also feel free to answer questions which I neglected to ask. If I ever get this to work, and have some basic comprehension, I'll make a lesson at lessons.runrev.com, so everyone can benefit in the future. cheers Björnke -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Regex wildcard in XML Query
I'll just leave this here: http://stackoverflow.com/a/1732454/2149933
On 09 Oct 2014, at 18:41, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Glen Bojsza gboj...@gmail.com wrote:
q
xsi:type=xsd:patternIGD.NetDevice.\d{2}\.NetCommonInterfaceConfig./q
Hi Glen,
Couple of issues with using the above as a regex.
The period character means any character except newline in a regex. By
chance it works for the string you're looking for but it really should be
escaped with a backslash character.
The \d{2} looks for two digits and you only have one digit in that
position in the string. If you want to allow for 1 or 2 digits, you can
use either \d{1,2} or \d\d?
So your regex would be (untested):
q
xsi:type=xsd:patternIGD\.NetDevice\.\d{1,2}\.NetCommonInterfaceConfig\./q
Pete
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Re: problem with counting words
There is no way to search the dictionary, but I have made a replacement for it, which can do full searches: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ As a side note I really wish trueWord would be named humanWord instead, it'd make the distinction to the historic word much more immediate comprehensible. On the plus side, the next such keyword can now be named falseWord, which is nice, I guess. On 12 Oct 2014, at 22:04, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: The other thing I don't understand is this: Is there any way to search the dictionary on the text of the dictionary and not just on the keywords? If there is a way to do that, I don't know how. It would help a lot. On 12 Oct 2014, at 21:37, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: BTW, the trueword token was introduced as part of the unicode implementation, so you'll only see it in LC version 7.0. When we all adopt that version, we will be able to choose between the logical word boundaries (trueword) and the historical boundaries (the HyperCard method, which also includes punctuation as part of words.) -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Secure Sockets
Hi all I'm rather uneducated with encryption stuff, so I wanted to try out secure sockets. However, most likely due to my incapability to understand what I'm doing, I've been unable to get a simple example working. I've used my own simplest socket client/server stacks from rev online, ran them in two different LC instances (because LC locks up if you do server and client in the same executable), and then I modified them to use secure stuff. First I simply set the client to use open secure socket to Funnily this would show what I assumed where encrypted handshake messages on the server side (gibberish). But of course I have no Idea about how to decrypt those, plus, that's probably not how things should work. I then Added a secure to the server side by using accept secure sockets on... which would actually result in a connection (note: secure is undocumented for accept so I have made a bug report in regards to that, because it seems to work just fine.) However, If I then try to send a message from the client to the server, it fails with these errors on their respective ends: client: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure server: error:1408A0C1:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:no shared cipher I assume that I am using the commands correctly, but that I guess I do need to specify the server to use a certificate? Questions Galore! - Has anyone done secure sockets with both server and client implemented in LC (or just the server)? - Is it possible to do a secure connection as CLIENT, when the certificate does not exist or remains unspecified on the client side? (I assume this is when I need to specify without verification)? - Is it possible to do a secure SERVER and not specify a certificate or a key on the server side? I guess not, but Is it possible to let LC do certificates and keys for me behind the curtains? - I'm testing on mac os x, so I can create a certificate using Keychain.app. What settings would I need to do there? - Is it insecure to issue a certificate for 127.0.0.1 (localhost)? - If I got a certificate that is applicable, how do I tell LC to use it as my server certificate? - SSLv3 Is deemed insecure. In case I ever get anything working, how can I disable SSL completely, and force my connections to always use TLS or even only TLSv1.2? - How about any of the other minuteas of cypher selection and key exchange, how can I do that manually? should I do that manually? Thank you for any information, and feel free to answer any questions even if only partially or guesswork. Also feel free to answer questions which I neglected to ask. If I ever get this to work, and have some basic comprehension, I'll make a lesson at lessons.runrev.com, so everyone can benefit in the future. cheers Björnke -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: unlock screen doesn't unlock screen
while the screen is locked, in the repeat loop: wait 0 seconds with messages Annoying, and weird, I know. But it's been like that since a few versions now, so this feature probably will most likely stay like that. On 27 Aug 2014, at 13:25, j...@souslelogo.com wrote: Hi list I have the following loop : lock screen repeat 2 times -- do a lot of things unlock screen put myVar into fld myVar lock screen end repeat The purpose is to lock the screen so that the heavy data processing inside the loop isn't slowed down, but also to display the content of myVar at each iteration of the loop. But the content of the fld doesn't refresh while the loop runs, only when the loop is over... I used to do that with HC, MC and earlier versions of Rev and it used to work... I'm on OSX 10.5.5 and LC 6.5.2 Any idea ? Thanks jbv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ChatRev
Alright, I'm back, got a brand new router, and everything should be working again. http://bjoernke.com/index.irev?target=chatrev On 10 Aug 2014, at 00:39, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Hi guys, Björnke just told me that a thunder storm took out his internet connection. DSL doesn't work anymore. Consequently, the ChatRev server has been disconnected. The equipment still works and Björnke expects to be back on-line within a few days. If you would like to know more about ChatRev, go here: http://bjoernke.com/index.irev?target=chatrev but if you want to give it a try, please wait a few days until the connection gets fixed. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Selling a ticket for RevCon '14
I still have this ticket and am offering it for a discount of more then 30% less then on the shop. I can't believe that everyone who is thinking about going already has their ticket? On 09 Aug 2014, at 18:33, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Hmm, so everyone already has their ticket? Just to be clear, this is more then a 30% price reduction compared to the price from RunRev on the website. On 08 Aug 2014, at 03:37, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Hi Due to Family business, I'll be unable to go to America this year. Therefore I have a superfluous Premium 4 Day Ticket to RunRevLive, which I am selling for 1700.- USD (or equivalent other currency). First come first serve, please email me directly. Björnke -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: externalPackages
Richard is wrong. The goal is to be able to use any language, including anything that is available for the separate OS-es. However, there'll be a meta-LC like language, that is not quite LC, but similar-ish, which will allow to write externals too. The Idea is that it's similar enough for more people to delve in and do Externals then with the current undocumented, not available on all platforms, never-really-cared-for mess. Delivery date is somewhen. On 14 Aug 2014, at 00:25, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: JB wrote: Changing the subject a little bit you mentioned LiveCode is going to improve things so you can actually do more external type code from within LiveCode. Are they going to be using Apples new programming language Swift at all? I don't think so. Swift is a very interesting language (made by the same super-genius who made the ground-breaking LLVM), but as far as I can tell Apple intends to make it available only for use on their own platforms. So for an omni-platform tool like LiveCode, Swift is a non-starter. Instead, the new language for widgets in LiveCode will be...LiveCode! :) New extensions to the LiveCode language are in development to allow us to not only make custom controls that behave more like built-in controls, but also directly talk to the OS APIs - see this video from Kevin with a sneak preview of what they're working on: http://livecode.com/blog/2014/07/08/the-next-generation-widgets-themes/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: externalPackages
On 14 Aug 2014, at 01:12, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Richard is wrong. The goal is to be able to use any language, including anything that is available for the separate OS-es. Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. But given that the engine is currently written in C++ and much of the code is platform-independent, can you tell us more about this real goal and how it fits in with the development of a multi-platform toolkit like LiveCode? You said there'll only be the new LC-like language to do externals. Instead there'll be most available languages, due to the way the new approach is different then the current one. One of the possible languages, and of course the one that ppl need to use a bit for wrapping the interfaces, will be the additional, new LC-like language. That is only concerning the new external interface. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: sorting
sort theList by word 2 of each sort theList by word 1 of each sort order is retained in-between commands, that's why it works. On 09 Aug 2014, at 08:24, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: I have a field I want to sort. Each line has 4 words. I want to sort by the first word (ascending) and then do a 2nd sort by the 3rd word without changing the order of the first word. Example: apple box apple pie apple zoo baby blue baby rattle baby zoo etc. TIA Larry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Selling a ticket for RevCon '14
Hmm, so everyone already has their ticket? Just to be clear, this is more then a 30% price reduction compared to the price from RunRev on the website. On 08 Aug 2014, at 03:37, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Hi Due to Family business, I'll be unable to go to America this year. Therefore I have a superfluous Premium 4 Day Ticket to RunRevLive, which I am selling for 1700.- USD (or equivalent other currency). First come first serve, please email me directly. Björnke -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Selling a ticket for RevCon '14
Hi Due to Family business, I'll be unable to go to America this year. Therefore I have a superfluous Premium 4 Day Ticket to RunRevLive, which I am selling for 1700.- USD (or equivalent other currency). First come first serve, please email me directly. Björnke -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
A large part of the unicode bloat comes from the dictionaries. They are a kind of language descriptor for almost every written language on earth, their dialects, and synonym ways to write a character. If you're only really interested in european languages, being able to disable 99% of those will make the engine as small as it was before the changes. I don't know if disabling those will impede people from writing chinese or cyrilic in your app tho, if the appropriate definitions where removed. On 09 Jul 2014, at 10:46, Robert Brenstein r...@robelko.com wrote: On 08.07.2014 at 20:36 Uhr +0300 Richmond apparently wrote: Frankly if all I need is a title: I'll make it in a textField in the IDE, tweak it around and do an import snapshot so I end up with an image - then no Unicode needed at all. You'd have to be daft to include 'a bloater' of a library just for the sake of a title. Richmond. Considering that the percentage of applications that do not need text at all (no title, no error message, including no runtime message from the the LC engine) is probably really, really tiny, the question is whether it is worth the trouble to implement and support such a switch. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
It's not about who'm you email, it's about what you say. I'm sure I'm part of those 85%, which is misleading. Why? Because the poll asked What technology would be nice to have? please select all that apply.. HTML5 was part of that list. Meanwhile Less bugs, and a better coding experience was not. On 02 Jul 2014, at 09:55, Heather Laine heat...@runrev.com wrote: If you didn't get a survey request from us, either you are not signed up to receive emails from us (you've opted out of both promotional and newsletter lists), you spam filtered or bounced our mail, or you joined the community after we sent the survey. We sent that survey to every email address that we had permission to mail. Regards, Heather On 2 Jul 2014, at 07:53, Richmond wrote: On 02/07/14 00:09, Terence Heaford wrote: On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:16, Heather Laine heat...@livecode.com wrote: We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP. Nobody surveyed me? —Terry Nor me. a massive 85% ??? our entire user base That is not true: all the kids I have taught Livecode to over the last 4 years (half of who use it for doing things on an on-off basis) were not surveyed. Those kids (who, unlike 52 year olds like me, are the future of Livecode) and their opinions matter; as do all the other kids around the world quietly getting to grips with Livecode. Come to think of things; I wonder how many kids younger than say, 18, who are tinkering with Livecode know what is meant by HTML5? I think Livecode's plan to develop HTML5 capabilities is marvellous (I have already stated that), but their way of promoting it, like a lot of their other advertising, leaves a lot to be desired. I never buy washing powder because 9 out of 10 housewives prefer washing with Livecode! I wash with Livecode because I see what it does to my clothes. Richmond. -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] M. S. Pease
I am not sure either. It could be that Mark wants to contact a person, possibly called M.S. Pease or similar. I could be wrong of course, maybe It's actually about someone else, or not a quest for contact at all? I wonder what it could be about? Maybe he wants an email, to actually be able to write to the person (or another person) who send him that email. Or he wants to know why he didn't get an email before, and this plea is a way to actually be contacted, ideal via email. On the other hand, maybe he's asking for contact of someone whom he previously had contact, which would mean there's an interruption in communication happening, always a bad thing for someone in the business of communication otherwise known as information technologies. I wonder if the information that he cannot send is also about communication, especially as Mark has made available a old fashioned communication device. Said device has to be sent physically, so proper contact information is crucial for that, and often Mark has asked for people to contact him so he can be able to send them information in form of a device (it's based on paper and called book I believe, but I only got one of said devices so I can't know for sure if other people actually get the same as I did). Said that, maybe there's a way to send stuff without knowing where the other person currently is, I'm sure that'd be a very nice thing. Ideally it'd be possible to contact people anywhere at any time, just by knowing they exist, I'm sure it'd be a great way to advertise things. For example one could send everyone on the world information that stickers are cool, and then everyone would know it, because everyone was contacted, no matter where they are. I'm sure everyone would like to know that stickers are cool. I had a short break eating a bread with salami and pickles, and though I'd do a little research, and it seems Mark has done this before! Look here for similar messages! I never would have known without searching! For example: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2014-June/203000.html http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2014-May/201675.html I hope Mark will have time to explain the actual meaning of his email himself, so we can be more assured of his intentions. Cheese Björnke On 19 Jun 2014, at 16:18, Vaughn Clement vclem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mark What is the subject of this email? Thank you Vaughn Clement On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Dear M.S. Pease, Would you please be so kind to contact supp...@economy-x-talk.com? We have been trying to contact you by e-mail several times, but we get not reply from you. Please send an e-mail to aforementioned address. If you don't get an (auto-) reply within 24 hours, please try a different e-mail address (no Hotmail). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: question about ide bug, and usage of LC
On 30 May 2014, at 07:11, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Option-return only works on Macs and will throw an error if you move the stack to any other platform. The standard for a split line in LC is the backslash: \ That's wrong. option-return just inserts a backslash, which then of course works everywhere as expected. This is not hypercard. Now if option-return does insert a backslash on windows or linux, that I did not test. -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Documentation
hmm, if only someone had done something about that... http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ On 30 May 2014, at 15:27, Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com wrote: One problem with the dictionary is that, since it is apparently based on arrays and/or XML, it is not possible to search in the contents of the definitions, only in the defined terms. The majority of the complaints about not being able to find relevant entries would be obviated if searching in the text of the definitions were possible. I know that it's considered bad practice not to separate GUI and data, but isn't this a case where the old Hypercard style of a separate card for each entry would work better? The LC find command is lightning fast and very versatile. I haven't looked at the way the data is stored in the dictionary in detail, and I have never worked with XML, but I think it should be possible to script a conversion that would create a card-based dictionary. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On May 29, 2014, at 5:41 PM, William Prothero wrote: Vaughn: I can understand the LC community wanting keep the community working toward a single place to go for docs and I know that this issue has been discussed pretty thoroughly on this list. I also appreciate that the changes to LC are massive and I’m so glad that I’m investing my time in a platform that is being modernized to today’s coding standards, not to mention the open source option. I really think a community dictionary effort will emerge as the platform settles into the new features. Richard Gaskin will most likely be leading the charge on this, I”m guessing. I really do think it’s a job for the community, at least as it develops. It is extremely difficult for the very experienced to anticipate the stupid newby questions that are going to be asked. Those of us who are educators may have a head start in this area, but every new user will have valuable insight. Although it’s probably a massive job, this list contains many of the questions that the documentation would want to address. Best regards, Bill On May 29, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Vaughn Clement vclem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bill I've been pushing now for a year to get the dictionary and the documentation improved. The World Jam last week was one of the places I mentioned it once again. I have seen small improvement in documentation due to the massive changes being made to LC. I understand the changes required to develop media since I go back to the days of interactive video design course development. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
question about ide bug, and usage of LC
When typing a very long line in the script editor, the editor does not update it's size and the scrollbar remains still, while the script editor field remains static. This problem was introduced in LC 6.5.0 or 6.5.1, and is in all versions since then, up to the current 7.0.0dp6 and 6.6.2.rc5. I barely used LC in the last quarter year. But wouldn't this annoy the hell out of everyone who uses the script editor daily? Why is this not fixed already? Is no one actually using LC to script stuff? Kevin himself reported it in January: http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11722 -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quitting with the close box on Mac
My Version? Excuse me? What? A minor annoyance on Mavericks is that Text Edit does indeed close automatically when the last text file is closed, slightly less annoying, so does preview. Sadly, I do expect more apps to follow in the next version of OS X. I do like the new saving behaviour tho, It was broken in the last version (mountain lion?) But now it works as expected. Yes, it's different from the 'save/save as...' approach, and in the beginning I was fearing loss of control, or non-standard files (again for plain files in text edit). But it works hidden, database-style, reliably, and doesn't introduce large storage demands, at least as fas as I could tell. It took me about an hour to understand, it simplifies workflow, and there is no need to remember if i've made a backup, or if i need to save vs. save as vs. export. It's certainly easier to understand for beginners, and if there'd be a Björnke doctrine, then 'make it easier for beginners' would probably be among the first rules, if not the primary doctrine. In a sense, the recent discussion about an automatic backup for stacks... Mavericks automatic save system and complete version history is actually THE solution for that. Just imagine, never hitting save, but always having a save of every change you ever made within the stack itself, without cluttering your disk and filesystem with dozens of saves, it's amazing if it works properly... until the whole file is corrupted ;-) On 28 May 2014, at 19:19, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: stephen barncard wrote: This dumbing down crap should be optional, not forced on us. Björnke version: Options can get expensive over time, introducing a form of technical debt. TL/DR version: http://livecodejournal.com/blog/2014-05-28-design-options.html -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quitting with the close box on Mac
Ah! Well, I thought you where quite rambly there, and the point was actually a simple one. So that's why I did that. I regret nothing. On 29 May 2014, at 02:01, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: My Version? Excuse me? What? Consider it a customized summary. :) http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2014-May/201606.html -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Forum: quota?
The limit is per account., and you're the weirdo who posts useless images in each post. Go to User Control Panel - Overview tab - Manage attachments and delete them all. On 18 May 2014, at 14:11, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, the board attachment quota has been reached. Is problematic is one wants to upload an explanatory image. Richmond. -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Forum: quota?
On 18 May 2014, at 15:33, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/05/14 16:20, Björnke von Gierke wrote: The limit is per account., and you're the weirdo who posts useless images in each post. And you are the person who thinks he's super qualified to decide which images are useful or not. Your follicles are super qualified to be cut into a bob! Your earlobe is useless for cutting goat cheese! Your right pinky is a caldera lover! Your upper right thigh tendon is useful for Sports! Also, I didn't even comment on the taste of those pictures :-P For free image hosting i prefer imgur.com. But then, how'd you make those funny statistics? -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: repeat with messages
Just for the record, there's a lot of places where you can append more code or garbage to properly formatted commands without any error, sometimes functional, sometimes not. Basically appendixes of non-functional code. All these examples compile without problem: split x by return and tab put comma --actually puts , into msg convert x to seconds if a if field 1 then end if 2 - 2 I'm sure there's others. Mark once told me that most probably won't be fixed until the dynamic language feature is implemented, because fixing them is just too work intensive. On 17 May 2014, at 05:30, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Jerry Jensen wrote: OK Richard, sorry for the TL;DR. Here is what I was trying to present: Mark S. presented a line of code: repeat with x = 100 down to 0 with messages I was surprised to see, in a single line of code: repeat ... WITH MESSAGES which isn't in the dictionary syntax description for repeat. Mark responded: The with messages clause makes a repeat loop non-blocking. I tried it - the compiler didn't complain, and it ran. I wondered: WHAT DOES THAT DO? UNBLOCK AT EACH LOOP END? Then I wondered: IF ITS LEGAL AND USEFUL, WHY ISN'T IT IN THE DICTIONARY? Sorry for the confusion. I still wonder. Over to you. .Jerry Thanks for that, Jerry. I've never seen with messages used in a repeat statement before, and in my test here it does nothing. This: on mouseup repeat with x = 1000 down to 0 with messages put x into fld 1 end repeat end mouseup ...executes on OS X without any visible change to the field until it's done, but the common workaround of adding a wait command: on mouseup repeat with x = 1000 down to 0 wait 0 with messages put x into fld 1 end repeat end mouseup ...allows the field to be updated (on OS X; I can't stress enough that this workaround is only needed on that one platform; Linux and Windows have no such issue, and once 6.7 is released OS X won't either). Curious that the compiler doesn't complain - maybe it just ignores everything past the stuff it can use? A quick test proves that hypothesis: on mouseup repeat with x = 1000 down to 0 notwithstanding manbearbig wait 0 with messages put x into fld 1 end repeat end mouseup ...compiles just fine, even though notwithstanding is of course not a keyword, and we all recognize that the ManBearPig is mythical. ;) Bug? The compiler's errors are generally limited to those things the engine requires to be able to tokenize a script. Ignored elements are anomalies, but apparently won't stop either compilation or execution. Feature, perhaps? :) PS the thread is now out of control. Maybe, but those of us who live for LiveCode trivia like this can't get enough. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
[ANN] Zurich LiveCode user meet
Hello LiveCoders, This June, the first LiveCode meeting in Zurich will happen! The date and place have been settled (see below). We're not yet completely sure about what we'll actually do during that afternoon, but here's some decided things: - Mark will give away a copy of his book Programming Livecode for the Real Beginner. Get it directly from the author! - A suggested topic of discussion: Why doesn't LiveCode catch on, why don't People get it? - If you have a fun topic idea, want to demo your software or would like to present something a bit longer/more formally then don't hesitate to contact me directly. - If the weather is right I'll do a historic tour trough the city of Zurich on the day after the meeting (Sun, 29. June). When: Saturday 28. June 2014 13:00 to 17:00 (extension into dinner very likely) Where: Karl der Grosse Kirchgasse 14 8001 Zürich https://goo.gl/maps/BqqKz What: An afternoon of talking, socialising, having fun Related Links: The Book: http://www3.economy-x-talk.com/file.php?node=programming-livecode-for-the-real-beginner The Barock Chamber: http://i.imgur.com/r6KlUeD.jpg Map: https://goo.gl/maps/BqqKz Forum: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=30t=20424 Please contact me if you need a place to stay at, or have other questions. Bjoernke -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Does exists LiveCode Server Portable...
I'm not sure I understand your question correctly, so here's two answers: Any livecode standalone can be a server. All you need to do is to use the accept socket command. For example, the ChatRev server runs from an IDE installed on an old ibook. But it could as well be a windows standalone (which it was some years back). If you however mean the livecode server thing that runs in a web server, then you probably can't run it as server without apache or iss. however, you can run livecode locally as a non-server engine where it will behave exactly like a server, outputting text to the shell instead of a http connection. Maybe you can specify a bit more detailed what the goal is, and why you want to work around zone alarm? On 13 May 2014, at 01:44, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, LiveCode could open a socket to send and receive data from other applications. Does exists a method to create a portable LiveCode server that runs locally without installing any file in the computer? In one of my computers, every application that opens a socket must be authorized by the user because Zone Alarm ask for permission... Notice that I run many versions of LiveCode and none of them are installed. I launch LiveCode from their own folder. All versions of LiveCode are within the Documents folder, not installed inside the Windows Program folder. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Does-exists-LiveCode-Server-Portable-tp4679431.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins
On 10 May 2014, at 05:40, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Friday, May 9, 2014, 8:15:13 PM, you wrote: If we could work out a way to share the work on this with RunRev, anyone here interested in rolling up their sleeves to help? You mean trying to work with a rev team that spent six months ignoring the fact that nobody could log into revOnline? No thanks. Yes, and every time the community starts to talk business about this, someone from RunRev swoops in and says we have an amazing thing in the pipeline, just you wait!, making all contributors vanish and the calls to action cease. It's been years of this, and nothing has ever come from RunRev. Said that, I'm all for self help, and maybe this time will be different, so let's try! I think we need a curated experience, where categories are merged and split based on consensus. I am going to make a stack right now to show an example of category management. -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins
Alright here's a first version of a category management stack, including some 'dummy' example stack interface elements, to show off how it works. It's mostly a way to avoid category clutter right now. http://bjoernke.com/temp/Category_test.rev On 10 May 2014, at 10:07, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: On 10 May 2014, at 05:40, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Friday, May 9, 2014, 8:15:13 PM, you wrote: If we could work out a way to share the work on this with RunRev, anyone here interested in rolling up their sleeves to help? You mean trying to work with a rev team that spent six months ignoring the fact that nobody could log into revOnline? No thanks. Yes, and every time the community starts to talk business about this, someone from RunRev swoops in and says we have an amazing thing in the pipeline, just you wait!, making all contributors vanish and the calls to action cease. It's been years of this, and nothing has ever come from RunRev. Said that, I'm all for self help, and maybe this time will be different, so let's try! I think we need a curated experience, where categories are merged and split based on consensus. I am going to make a stack right now to show an example of category management. -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zurich meeting this summer
Alright everyone People interested in a meetup in Zurich, last chance to have a say on the date! http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr cheers Björnke On 01 May 2014, at 21:20, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Hi persons who use LC Just a quick reminder that we're currently planning a meet-up in Zurich. There's already a few interested persons. So if you are also interested, please send me an email, so I can let you know directly about when/what/where, as soon as we've decided on anything. Don't forget to also fill out the times that you're most likely available on this form: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr cheers Björnke Mark PS: If you need help about where to stay in Zurich or info about additional activities, don't hesitate to ask those questions as early as possible! On 20 Apr 2014, at 01:40, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Hi everyone Me and Mark are starting to prepare a meetup in Zurich (Switzerland), late June or early July. If you’re interested in joining us, it’d be great to know when you’ll be able to participate. Please take two minutes to fill out this date tableau: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr Also, if you are interested, PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL directly, so I can let you know about venue and exact date/time, as soon as we know more about those. Currently we aim to sit around, talk about LiveCode and have fun. Obviously knowing German or being Swiss is not a requirement. If you're from further away, I'm in the process of finding suitable accommodations. Maybe we'll do a tour trough the city the day before or after? Nothing has been decided yet, so please send us suggestions, questions, etc. We can’t wait to meet up! Bjoernke von Gierke Mark Schonewille -- Hoi Zsäme Ich und Mark denken darüber nach ein Treffen in Zürich zu organisieren, irgendwann ende Juni oder Anfang Juli. Falls du interessiert bist, währe es extrem hilfreich zu wissen dass du teilnehmen willst. Wähl doch bitte deine möglichen Termine in dieser Tabelle aus: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr Ausserdem SCHICK MIR EINE EMAIL, damit ich dich direkt über Austragungsort, Datum und Zeiten sowie andere Details direkt informieren kann, sobald wir mehr darüber wissen. Wir wollen vor allem rumsitzen, quatschen und Spass haben. Schweitzerdeutsch ist natürlich keine Voraussetzung. Ich suche derzeit nach Übernachtungsmöglichkeiten für Leute von ausserhalb. Vielleicht gibts auch noch einen Stadtrundgang am Vortag oder so was? Wir haben uns noch nicht festgelegt, also schickt uns auch eure Vorschläge, Fragen, und so weiter. Wir freuen uns schon aufs Treffen! Björnke von Gierke Mark Schonewille -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zurich meeting this summer
Hello Kaveh Currently we're only thinking about an afternoon with talking, coffee, etc. and then possibly Supper. However, As Mark will come from the Netherlands, there will be additional stuff we'll do. For example I'm thinking about doing a tour trough the historic city of Zurich the day before or after the meeting. Also, don't hesitate to mail me directly, if you need help with finding a place to stay at. If you're interested (even if you don't know yet for sure), don't forget to fill out the time table: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr I'll send you a direct email as soon as we know more about when/where/what, if that is ok to you. cheers Björnke On 09 May 2014, at 14:08, Kaveh Bazargan ka...@rivervalleytechnologies.com wrote: Hi Bjoernke I am potentially interested. How long are you thinking of meeting? I am in London but can fly over. Regards Kaveh On 20 April 2014 00:40, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Hi everyone Me and Mark are starting to prepare a meetup in Zurich (Switzerland), late June or early July. If you’re interested in joining us, it’d be great to know when you’ll be able to participate. Please take two minutes to fill out this date tableau: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr Also, if you are interested, PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL directly, so I can let you know about venue and exact date/time, as soon as we know more about those. Currently we aim to sit around, talk about LiveCode and have fun. Obviously knowing German or being Swiss is not a requirement. If you're from further away, I'm in the process of finding suitable accommodations. Maybe we'll do a tour trough the city the day before or after? Nothing has been decided yet, so please send us suggestions, questions, etc. We can’t wait to meet up! Bjoernke von Gierke Mark Schonewille -- Hoi Zsäme Ich und Mark denken darüber nach ein Treffen in Zürich zu organisieren, irgendwann ende Juni oder Anfang Juli. Falls du interessiert bist, währe es extrem hilfreich zu wissen dass du teilnehmen willst. Wähl doch bitte deine möglichen Termine in dieser Tabelle aus: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr Ausserdem SCHICK MIR EINE EMAIL, damit ich dich direkt über Austragungsort, Datum und Zeiten sowie andere Details direkt informieren kann, sobald wir mehr darüber wissen. Wir wollen vor allem rumsitzen, quatschen und Spass haben. Schweitzerdeutsch ist natürlich keine Voraussetzung. Ich suche derzeit nach Übernachtungsmöglichkeiten für Leute von ausserhalb. Vielleicht gibts auch noch einen Stadtrundgang am Vortag oder so was? Wir haben uns noch nicht festgelegt, also schickt uns auch eure Vorschläge, Fragen, und so weiter. Wir freuen uns schon aufs Treffen! Björnke von Gierke Mark Schonewille -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Kaveh Bazargan River Valley Technologies @kaveh1000 +44 7771 824 111 ka...@rivervalleytechnologies.com Please note new email ID ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode Performance Examples
I looked at some of my old stack that I knew they where slow-ish... and they're all much faster now, probably due to the new graphics engine handling stuff with lots of points better. So sadly I can't send you any slow stacks *tears up* Nontheless here's what I tried, all stacks have to do with graphics that use markers to draw areas: http://bjoernke.com/temp/2d_castle.livecode http://bjoernke.com/temp/draw_economy_markers.rev http://bjoernke.com/temp/grow_land_mark_II.livecode On 09 May 2014, at 18:58, Michael McCreary michael.mccre...@runrev.com wrote: Dear List Members, Over the next few months, we'll be working on improving the performance of LiveCode. We'll be looking at all aspects of the product, but will be focusing particularly on the graphical side of things. Naturally, we have earmarked a few areas of the engine where we think can improve things. These have come primarily from our knowledge of the engine's internals. Whilst it's all well and good improving these areas, if they don't offer any real improvement to the end user, or the use case for the improvement is limited, there's little point in pursuing them. This is where you come in. We want to know how you use LiveCode and what areas you think can be improved on performance wise. Having real world examples of slowdowns and performance bottlenecks will allow us focus our energies on improving the correct areas. So, if you have any example stacks demonstrating where you have experienced poor performance in LiveCode, we'd really like to see them. Ideally they'd be stacks where the problem has been isolated allowing us to measure performance (and any subsequent improvements due to our work). But anything goes really. It can be surprising how such simple things can have a seemingly very large impact on the performance of an app. Either post your stacks to the list or, if you prefer, email them directly to me. We have no fixed agenda as to how we're going to approach this, so your input really will help direct our efforts. Many thanks, Michael -- *Michael McCreary . Runtime Revolution Ltd LiveCode - Unleash Your Killer App* mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW email : michael.mccre...@runrev.com company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23 fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487 web : www.runrev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Modularising Code
I really would love to hear your reasoning about why start using (library) is not what you want to use (or it's brethren front script and back script). Alternatively there's of course using 'send' and 'call' (more modern 'dispatch'), instead of relying on the natural order of the message path. There's also behavior scripts of course, but I think they're more useful for repetitive handlers, not for different calls to a database, but someone who actually likes them should probably talk about wether they're appropriate or not. If you want to go super crazy you can also do it like I did, and use sockets to have the db run in another program... but that's of course a different topic ;) On 08 May 2014, at 13:28, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@btinternet.com wrote: I have been reading up on Library Stacks but in this instance I do not feel this is the solution I require. I have a Project that needs access to a SQLite database and has many calls into that database from functions and commands which at the moment I have placed in the mainstack script. In order to make the script more manageable I would like to have the SQLite scripts modularised and separate from any other scripts in the mainstack which I also may wish to modularise at some point. I have placed all these scripts together in the mainstack to allow them to be easily called from all other parts of the project and to have easy access to user properties of the mainstack. What is the best way to achieve this type of modularisation within the LiveCode IDE? All the best Terry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Modularising Code
Oh. Well I don't. If there's too many handler in one object, I tend to either fuse unnecessary functions or move stuff up or down the message path. Some people use fake empty handlers as folders. And there's of course the open source GLX2 editor, which has folders. On 08 May 2014, at 14:34, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@btinternet.com wrote: Xcode... You can organise your code in folders/nested folders from within the IDE. ... How do people overcome this limitation? That is my question. -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Big bug smackdown! - check your In Box
TL;dr: If you've submitted bug reports previously, you should have received an email from RunRev listing all your bugs. Please test each of those outstanding bug reports in the most recent version of LC. On 05 May 2014, at 17:07, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Thanks to everyone who pitched in with the testing of v6.6.2RC3 over the weekend. 10 new bug reports were submitted, and the dev team is looking into those this morning. Looking at the bigger picture of RunRev's Big Bug Smackdown: Over the years many of us have submitted bug reports, and although recently-submitted reports have usually been acted on very quickly, there are many older bug reports still in the system. One of the challenges with older reports is that so much has happened with the engine since they were submitted, esp. in recent versions, that many of these issues have been addressed in the course of making other changes to the engine. Each of these needs to be re-tested to see if the problem still exists in newer versions. Looking at the scope of this challenge, Ben came up with a remarkably convenient solution: If you've submitted any bug reports to the LiveCode bug database, by now you should have received an email from RunRev listing all those that are outstanding, with a convenient link to open it in your browser. Right now their focus is on bugs rather than enhancement requests, so your email should include only bugs for now - once those are addressed the team will be in a good position to triage enhancement requests later. Please take some time over the next week or two to test each of those outstanding bug reports in the email sent to you against either the most recent shipping version, 6.6.1, or the next release, 6.6.2 RC3. Those of you who've already begun on this have made a noticeable difference: of the 450 outstanding bugs prior to the mailing, that number has now been reduced to 327, with more than 60 bug reports having been closed by members of the community. I recognize that testing can be time-consuming, and we all have other work to attend to as well. In fact, I've only re-tested a handful of the reports in my own list, though I plan to finish them by the end of this week. Each of us uses LiveCode in different ways, some of us needing database support, others multimedia, etc., and with a language as rich and flexible as LiveCode this sort of effort from each of us is needed to ensure the work we do with LiveCode is solidly supported. Challenging as it is for all of us, thorough QA initiatives like this will help us all have a LiveCode we can rely on for the work we do, and be proud to share with our friends and co-workers. For anyone who didn't get the original email Ben sent out, next week he'll be sending out a second email noting the subset of your bug reports still outstanding in the system. Thanks to all those who've been re-checking their reports, and those who will doing that over the next two weeks. -- Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Manager rich...@livecode.org ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zurich meeting this summer
Hi persons who use LC Just a quick reminder that we're currently planning a meet-up in Zurich. There's already a few interested persons. So if you are also interested, please send me an email, so I can let you know directly about when/what/where, as soon as we've decided on anything. Don't forget to also fill out the times that you're most likely available on this form: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr cheers Björnke Mark PS: If you need help about where to stay in Zurich or info about additional activities, don't hesitate to ask those questions as early as possible! On 20 Apr 2014, at 01:40, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Hi everyone Me and Mark are starting to prepare a meetup in Zurich (Switzerland), late June or early July. If you’re interested in joining us, it’d be great to know when you’ll be able to participate. Please take two minutes to fill out this date tableau: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr Also, if you are interested, PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL directly, so I can let you know about venue and exact date/time, as soon as we know more about those. Currently we aim to sit around, talk about LiveCode and have fun. Obviously knowing German or being Swiss is not a requirement. If you're from further away, I'm in the process of finding suitable accommodations. Maybe we'll do a tour trough the city the day before or after? Nothing has been decided yet, so please send us suggestions, questions, etc. We can’t wait to meet up! Bjoernke von Gierke Mark Schonewille -- Hoi Zsäme Ich und Mark denken darüber nach ein Treffen in Zürich zu organisieren, irgendwann ende Juni oder Anfang Juli. Falls du interessiert bist, währe es extrem hilfreich zu wissen dass du teilnehmen willst. Wähl doch bitte deine möglichen Termine in dieser Tabelle aus: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr Ausserdem SCHICK MIR EINE EMAIL, damit ich dich direkt über Austragungsort, Datum und Zeiten sowie andere Details direkt informieren kann, sobald wir mehr darüber wissen. Wir wollen vor allem rumsitzen, quatschen und Spass haben. Schweitzerdeutsch ist natürlich keine Voraussetzung. Ich suche derzeit nach Übernachtungsmöglichkeiten für Leute von ausserhalb. Vielleicht gibts auch noch einen Stadtrundgang am Vortag oder so was? Wir haben uns noch nicht festgelegt, also schickt uns auch eure Vorschläge, Fragen, und so weiter. Wir freuen uns schon aufs Treffen! Björnke von Gierke Mark Schonewille -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How to encode/decode PHP - LC on Win/Mac?
If the php files are executed by a web-server (like apache), then you probably have an encoding header supplied with each request. To find out the encoding you can query the URL in LC, and then use the libURLLastRRHHeaders() function. Note that sometimes the headers are badly made, and do not actually match the encoding of the data. In such a case you can only guess. Alternatively, did you try to use the isoToMac() function? On 29 Apr 2014, at 14:29, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de wrote: Does it depend on on which platform they are originally written? Does it depend on the FTP-transfer options? Does it depend on the server platform (Unix)? Do I have to set a coding in the PHP, like the charset in HTMLs? -- Anyone thinking about going to Zurich in the summer? Please fill out the form and send me an email: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Delivering Files with lcServer ?
I think most websites set the target to a new website in the link, to avoid
having stuff randomly load within iframes. so i suggest to just make the link
have a target of _blank or maybe _top. Then put the .lc code into its own
independent file.
Also make sure to set the content-transfer-encoding to binary in addition
to the content-type to application/zip (I don't think your'e allowed to
define several content-types in one definition, and it might choose one of
them at random, or just the last specified one).
cheers
Björnke
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On 25 Apr 2014, at 08:38, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote:
Thanks Simon. This will likely do what I need.
But I'd really like to know how to do this with lcserver. That's the
point, right? Not to have to rely on PHP? :-)
What's the LC equivalent of what readfile() is doing below?
Thanks Regards,
Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
On 4/24/14 11:03 PM, Simon Smith he...@simonsmith.co wrote:
Hi Scott
I have done something similar in php before, where a page loads, and then
the file starts downloading a few seconds later, without leaving the main
page.
The main page contains a refresh tag that loads the script that starts the
download:
meta http-equiv=refresh content=2;url=sendfile.php /
and then the sendfile.php consists of:
?php
header('Content-type: application/pdf');
header('Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=' .
basename('filename.pdf') . '');
header('Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary');
readfile($filename);
?
Hope this helps.
Simon
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com
wrote:
Hi Peter:
I started setting up a test page to demonstrate, and now I can't get
anything to work, not even my single page test which worked a dozen
times
yesterday. [sigh] Not sure what changed.
At any rate, I've seen PHP examples that involve setting content headers
to facilitate a file transfer, so I figured since lcserver operates
similarly, it should be possible to initiate the download of a zipped
file
(or any file).
Any examples out there that someone can point me to?
Thanks Regards,
Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
On 4/24/14 6:17 PM, Peter W A Wood peterwaw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Scott
What is the URL of the iframe? Does it include characters such as ?
or
?
Regards
Peter
On 25 Apr 2014, at 08:29, Scott Rossi wrote:
Hello List:
I'm hoping someone knowledgable about server stuff has a solution to
a
problem I have delivering a file using lcServer via an iframe.
I'm using lcServer with the following code to trigger a file
download:
put url (binfile:files/sound.zip) into theFile
put header Content-Disposition: attachment; filename= quote
sound.zip quote
put new header Content-Type: application/force-download
put new header Content-Type: application/zip
put new header Content-Type: application/octet-stream
put new header Content-Type: application/download
put header Content-Description: File Transfer
put header Content-Length: the length of theFile
put theFile
This appears to work fine from basic web page -- a download is
triggered
in the browser and the file is written to the drive.
When I run the same code on a page within an iframe, I get the raw
file
code posted to the iframe. :-(
All pages reside in the same domain (no cross domain issues) so I'm
at a
loss on how to deal with this. Any ideas?
Thanks Regards,
Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
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Re: playing an mp3 file
They'll need quicktime. On 24 Apr 2014, at 01:17, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: I know I can play a .wav file without having to use a player. But I want to play a .mp3 file and for that I think I have to use a player, right? And if I do use a player to play an mp3 file, then build my app as a standalone for Windows, do I need to include anything in the app? I mean, if the user doesn't have Quicktime, will they still be able to play the mp3 file? TIA Larry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Zurich meeting this summer
Hi everyone Me and Mark are starting to prepare a meetup in Zurich (Switzerland), late June or early July. If you’re interested in joining us, it’d be great to know when you’ll be able to participate. Please take two minutes to fill out this date tableau: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr Also, if you are interested, PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL directly, so I can let you know about venue and exact date/time, as soon as we know more about those. Currently we aim to sit around, talk about LiveCode and have fun. Obviously knowing German or being Swiss is not a requirement. If you're from further away, I'm in the process of finding suitable accommodations. Maybe we'll do a tour trough the city the day before or after? Nothing has been decided yet, so please send us suggestions, questions, etc. We can’t wait to meet up! Bjoernke von Gierke Mark Schonewille -- Hoi Zsäme Ich und Mark denken darüber nach ein Treffen in Zürich zu organisieren, irgendwann ende Juni oder Anfang Juli. Falls du interessiert bist, währe es extrem hilfreich zu wissen dass du teilnehmen willst. Wähl doch bitte deine möglichen Termine in dieser Tabelle aus: http://doodle.com/yapygihh3itgz2qr Ausserdem SCHICK MIR EINE EMAIL, damit ich dich direkt über Austragungsort, Datum und Zeiten sowie andere Details direkt informieren kann, sobald wir mehr darüber wissen. Wir wollen vor allem rumsitzen, quatschen und Spass haben. Schweitzerdeutsch ist natürlich keine Voraussetzung. Ich suche derzeit nach Übernachtungsmöglichkeiten für Leute von ausserhalb. Vielleicht gibts auch noch einen Stadtrundgang am Vortag oder so was? Wir haben uns noch nicht festgelegt, also schickt uns auch eure Vorschläge, Fragen, und so weiter. Wir freuen uns schon aufs Treffen! Björnke von Gierke Mark Schonewille -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: scrollbar question
on mouseUp put the thumbposition of me end mouseUp On 05.04.2014, at 09:41, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: I'm using a scrollbar to allow the user to set a value, but I am writing the value to a text file for later use and don't want to constantly update the file as the user drags. Is there a way to capture the final scrollbar value and then update the file when the user is finished dragging? I tried on mouseLeave but couldn't get that to work. Thank you in advance! Larry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Home stack
The home stack's name is home. But it is not your stack, it belongs to the IDE, and does IDE stuff. If you make a standalone, there won't be a home stack in it, unless you make one. There is no need to manipulate or interact with the home stack, unless you write your own IDE, where it servers a purpose as the first stack that is automatically loaded before anything else. This is not HyperCard ;-) For example, go home is not really meaningful, even if it'd work, because you can have many stacks, from many different files, all open at the same time. It'd only be a synonym for go to the stack that is named home, a rather redundant feature. So if you want the boss of your own project, you probably want the mainStack of this stack, or the topStack or possibly the defaultStack. You never want the home stack, ever. On 04.04.2014, at 09:15, Alain Farmer alain_far...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Mark, Long time no 'see'. Yes, but where is the Home stack ? What is its name ? How come the commands mentionned didn't work ? Can I edit the script of home ? Thanks, Alain F. On Friday, April 4, 2014 2:53:30 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Hi, The Home stack contains a bunch of functions and commands for setting up the IDE when LiveCode starts. Some of these commands and functions are also useful to other parts of the IDE. I don't think the Home stack handles licensing; that should be the engine now. You should be able to edit the Home stack in the commercial version too. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 4/4/2014 06:24, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 4/3/14, 7:51 PM, Alain Farmer wrote: Hello, Is there still a Home stack in LiveCode ? Are following expressions still supported ? * go home * edit the script of home There's a home stack but it isn't useful to us, there's nothing much in there. It stores the licensing check in the commercial version, so you won't be able to edit the script if you're running that. I'm not sure how it acts in the community version, I've never looked, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were empty. If you are looking for a way to keep a library of your own handlers, use a plugin stack that opens as a library on launch. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: codepointProperty
On 04.04.2014, at 19:30, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder why 'codepointProperty' is not for general-purpose use (it is stated without any explanation) as it looks an extremely useful tool . . . Richmond, your usage and expertise of unicode is way beyond general-purpose. Therefore you're hereby granted a certificate to use whatever you please, offered to you by the BvG heritage institute of you should already have known this. Go ahead and do whatever you want :-P have fun Björnke -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Multi user sqlite via shared-cache mode?
I do use sqlite in networked environment, by having written my own server client in LC. It's pretty trivial, and there's no parallelity, because sqlite only ever 'sees' the server, which is exactly one sql client. Here's an early example that is missing most error checking (this is an older version and for the productive version I added lots of errors, logging, etc.): -- server on mouseUp if the label of me = start server then set the label of me to stop server accept connections on port (field port) with message connectionAttempt else set the label of me to start server close socket (field port) end if end mouseUp on connectionAttempt theIP read from socket theIP until return with message gotMessage end connectionAttempt on gotMessage theIP theProtocol delete char -1 of theProtocol --return used as protocol delimiter if theProtocol = query then read from socket theIP until return with message queryDB else if theProtocol = write then read from socket theIP until return with message writeDB -- else -- never happens, unless public accessible end if end gotMessage on queryDB theIP theQuery delete char -1 of theQuery --return from the protocol put field database into theDB --path to sqlite file put revOpenDatabase(sqlite, theDB,,,) into connID put unidecode(uniencode(theQuery),utf8) into theQuery put revDataFromQuery(comma,,connID,theQuery) into myResult revCloseDatabase connID put unidecode(uniencode(myResult,utf8)) into myResult if myresult = then --query empty write queryResult return 0 return to socket theIP close socket theIP else write queryResult return length(myResult) return myResult to socket theIP --return not needed close socket theIP end if end queryDB on writeDB theIP myQuery delete char -1 of myQuery --return from protocol put field database into theDB --path to sqlite file put revOpenDatabase(sqlite, theDB,,,) into connID put unidecode(uniencode(myQuery),utf8) into myQuery revExecuteSQL connID,myQuery put the result into myResult revCloseDatabase connID --sets the result to write writeOK return to socket theIP close socket theIP end writeDB --client function queryDB theQuery --theQuery is a sql statement, as understood by LC (no multiline, no ;) replace return with in theQuery --just to make sure... put the milliseconds into theIdent put field IP | theIdent into theIP open socket to theIP write query return theQuery return to socket theIP read from socket theIP until return put it into theMessage delete char -1 of theMessage if theMessage = queryResult then read from socket theIP until return put it into theAmount delete char -1 of theAmount if theAmount = 0 then put sqlempty: No entry found into theResult else read from socket theIp for theAmount chars put it into theResult --no return at end, do not delete char -1 end if else put error: Server can't query: return theMessage into theResult end if close socket theIP return theResult end queryDB function insertDB theCommand --any sql that's not SELECT put the milliseconds into theIdent put field IP | theIdent into theIP open socket to theIP write write return theCommand return to socket theIP read from socket theIP until return put it into myReply delete char -1 of myReply if myReply = writeOK then put into myReply else put error: Server wrong: return myReply into myReply end if close socket theIP return myReply end insertDB On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Michael Gruenthal mgruent...@mac.comwrote: I¹m interested in having a small (20) number of users simultaneously connected to an sqlite DB on a shared network drive as an alternative to hosting on a server. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Fwd: New chunks
sent to wrong list.. resend. I like this approach. However I think two problems still remain: Problems with libraries and substacks still remain. A stack property that is able to set a whole stack to some kind of 'word legacy mode' would therefore be very useful. Word was always unintuitive with punctuation and quotes, so while we're at it, why not make word more intuitive? But If you change that, the legacy way of word handling should not be removed, because it was somewhat useful. The existing word could also theoretically be improved to work with csv parsing, that would be very neat. However, either of these ideas about changing how word works can't be handled by a simple find/replace in the ide. On 12.03.2014, at 11:00, Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com wrote: I think having slept on it my initial suggestion is this: We introduce a new legacyWord property for the current word behavior What you propose as naturalWord is simply the “word chunk. Most existing users – in time – and all new users, will want to use this. It is the only way to deliver transparent Unicode. I hate having to make new users use naturalWord, unicodeWord or anything else like that, from now until the dawn of time. When the IDE opens a stack in pre 7.0 format, a dialog pops up informing the user of the change and asking if they want to update their scripts. If yes, we use find and replace to swap out word for legacyWord in their scripts. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code From: Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com Reply-To: LiveCode Developer List livecode-...@lists.runrev.com Date: Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:15 To: LiveCode Developer List livecode-...@lists.runrev.com, How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: New chunks Hi All, We're in the process of adding some new chunk types in LiveCode 7 and we would appreciate suggestions for a particular chunk name. The new chunk types are: naturalword (breaks on unicode word boundaries) sentence (breaks on unicode sentence boundaries) paragraph (Same behaviour as current 'line' chunk) The first chunk is called 'naturalword' because 'word' is already in use. Renaming the current 'word' chunk to 'token' to free up 'word' is not an option for backward compatibility. We are also limited by the current parser which doesn't allow us to use the form: put natural word 1 of this is a string of words 'naturalword' is the clearest internal suggestion at the moment and we'd love to get the input from community members if there is an even clearer option. Warm regards and thank you for your input. Ben -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
disable mousedoubleup
Hi I wanted to disable mousedoubleup for a short time on a specific object, but it seems it's not possible to do this whit the doubleclickinterval, as that is not available on windows. The problem is of course that in this stack people will click very fast and the double events will then swallow some of the interactions. Is there any other workaround to react to the mouse events, but none of the double ones? -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Grouping controls within a group
You can also use the start / stop editing command while locking the screen. Basic testing shows it that just messing with relayerGroupedControls doesn't help... Could be nice if that'd be possible. Until then, the following works: on mouseUp lock screen start editing group 1 group button 1 and button 2 stop editing end mouseUp On 27.02.2014, at 00:58, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I have a need to group controls within an existing group into a subgroup by script, but I get a runtime error when trying to do that - in 6.5.2 the message is Object cannot be grouped. Any ideas on how to do that? The only way I can think of is to ungroup the main group, group the selected controls to form the subgroup, then group the subgroup and the rest of the controls to reinstate the main group, but that's pretty scary! Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
On 25.02.2014, at 18:08, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: No longer supporting OSX 10.5 will definitely be a blow in the face for the educational market! I agree with the direction of Mark's point, but maybe not with the way he assesses it's severity. Maintaining good terms with the educational market is something that comes up often, as a good strategy to get new blood into the LC mindshare. Not having an up to date engine for older Mac OS versions is definitely a way to say educational market? uninterested. In addition, if actions and communications form RunRev regarding educational markets where more stringent and less confused overall, removing older OS versions would not be an issue, because other narratives would carry messages of dedication and will to support schoolish endeavours. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
Oh I forgot to say: I appreciate this conversation started by Ben/RunRev immensely, and think these kind of questions should be asked several times each month, ideally as often as any kind of decisions, for example syntax changes, come up. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
On 21.02.2014, at 16:36, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: So my suggestion would be to update errorDialog, maybe make a synonym for people used to other languages. And then add an assert control structure (or even just modify try to be able to use it in that way). -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
Alright I think I've said what I wanted on assert, so my next problem is with the SQLite syntax changes. The new binary mode is in fact just the default SQLite way to use binary. Because of that, I strongly would prefer to make that the default, and deprecate the LC way of storing binary in sqlite. However that's of course not really an option, because it'd have the possibility of breaking old code. The chosen approach is also highly flawed, because developers will always have to use the binary option for all new code, forever, or be incompatible with all other SQLite implementations worldwide. Because those two options are suboptimal, I think the approach should be changed in this way instead of what RunRev has proposed: - Binary data should always be written into SQLite in the standard SQLite way. - When reading, LC converts binary data to normal binary data without user interaction, no matter how it is stored in the db, wether it's LC-properietary or standard - Remove the binary option from the revOpenDatabase function That way, new code doesn't need to include additional options forever, and backwards compatibility is still guaranteed. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: assert
on mouseUp assert 1 + blah end mouseUp on assertError dont, remember, amountOfParameters put dont remember amountOfParameters end assert see release notes of 6.6 dp here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ On 23.02.2014, at 14:31, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Right; so here I am on a Sunday afternoon feeling suitably postprandial . . . and looking at the notes for 6.6 dp1 and playing around with ASSERT Set up a stack with a button with this script: on mouseUp assert 1 is 2 end mouseUp as per notes. SO? Where is any sort of result tried this script: on mouseUp put assert (1 is 2) into fld fOUT end mouseUp that one threw a bluey as did: on mouseUp put assert (1 is 2) end mouseUp So, I made another button with this script: on mouseUp if 1 is 2 then put Yup into fld fOUT else put Nope into fld fOUT end if end mouseUp which worked perfectly. - SO; assert is meant to be a way to check for runtime errors [which in my example above it certainly does NOT look like] WHERE is one expected to see fails or succeeds or, how does one know if assert has either failed or succeeded? Why not just run one's original script and see it the da*n things works? --- if the condition fails, then an assertError message is sent to the object containing the command Where does the programmer see the assertError message? -- Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
Alright, thanks everyone for explaining this. I see now that assert does something that existing capabilities didn't do: Make your own errors up. I still think that adding an assert command (of all things) is a completely wrong way to do that tho. What i'd want is this to use existing capabilities, instead of sidestepping how things work right now. Maybe a control structure would be a lot more in touch with the existing ways? Another approach could be something similar to exit (exit to error?), coupled with an operator or a function. I think a command is extremely weird, why would a random command exit the handler? it's so weird :( In addition I'd use it directly with the existing (if weirdly named) errorDialog message (assertError synonym?). In fact that one already does everything the newfangled assert does (including the global that Richard asked for, if I read the lockErrorDialogs correctly), the only thing it doesn't do, is to allow the user to issue custom errors that would trigger the function, but of course that can be added. So my suggestion would be to update errorDialog, maybe make a synonym for people used to other languages. And then add an assert control structure (or even just modify try to be able to use it in that way). -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
On 16.02.2014, at 22:13, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: Seems like it's really meant to detect the infamous this should never happen situation rather than expected errors., Alright, if that is the case, why isn't it done in the engine WITHOUT adding another command? why do WE need to add random commands to our code? Wouldn't some message or global property that changes the behaviour of bug-detection that the engine already has to do anyway be better? In fact, it is my impression THAT ALREADY EXISTS! Maybe I still don't understand the way this command works, but I guess this is what it should be doing as far as I see from the discussion: 1. The developer doesn't know wether the code he's writing works or not (due to whatever reason) 2. He has to anticipate that, and put asserts all over his script in semi random places, inflating the codesize and reducing readability 3. He handles the assertMessage message and produces error handling code there. Now compare this to what already is possible: 1. An unexpected error occurs (like: 1 + text) 2. use the errorDialog message to handle it, and produce error handling code there I really don't see how the assert command is improving anything, but as I said, I don't understand what it does. So what is possible with assert that isn't already done better with existing capabilities, and if that's the case, why is the assert command a better addition then modifying the existing capabilities. For reference here's what i found in regards to handling unexpected bugs like 1 + text: errorDialog message executionContexts property scriptExecutionError message lockErrorDialogs property (not sure what this is supposed to do, isn't the error dialog IDE-specific? Also the documentation is wrong or weirdly worded about errorDialog messages not being sent when it's false) other: errorMode property (only server) scriptParsingError message (probably wrong kind of error?) stdErr -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
On 20.02.2014, at 16:37, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: The key point there is that both only catch things the engine considers errors. Assert compliments those by providing for things which may be syntactically correct and completely executable, yet are errors within the context of the business logic of your app. I'm not a smart man, and can't imagine any such error ever happening in a program. Can you give a simple example where you'd use assert to catch that kind of error? -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
Can someone elaborate why assert is better then using is true/false, and what additional things it adds? I don't feel i can do the following otherwise: Please do not be afraid to try it out as we need feedback to develop it further. (page 7, http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_6_0/LiveCodeNotes-6_6_0_dp_1.pdf ) -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger? Jaw dropped. I graciously insert put commands when something isn't working as expected, then fix the problem and remove the puts again. Only works with code that I've created myself though, because other people tend to use far more functions and commands, which unnecessarily complicates things. The main advantage is that the IDE in general, as well as my own stacks, are faster with debug mode off. I actually like that finding bugs and removing them is annoying, because then I think twice before making random changes. Said that, I found myself using the debugger a bit more recently, mostly because It helps with seeing why code does what it does, not so much to find code that isn't doing what it's supposed to do. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Send and the context
You might be interested in the call command. On 08.02.2014, at 07:34, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote: This may bore most of you to tears so please disregard if it doesn’t interest you. What I am attempting is to be able to get values from objects on a card that is not the current card, or even in the current stack, like fields and states of buttons, without enumerating the entire path to the objects themselves. This is because the card is designed to be portable, that is, to be placed into any stack. The first time you go to the Database Setup card, all the sqlYoga database connections will be initialized, connections tested, and then connections made. It also has some database utility functions I use. I’ll share it with the community when I am done shaking out all the dust mites. Now I do have a few globals I use, and could do everything with globals if necessary, but that seems messy to my mind. Also, globals prevent the card from working properly in multiple stack environments! I might have a Database Setup card in several different stacks, and they all need to behave discreetly. (This is why Stack Local variables would be HUGE!) That is the back story. Now there are times when I need to get the values of objects on the Database Setup card of the current stack without actually going to the Database Setup card itself (I might be in a substack and it might be modal for instance) so I inserted the script of a button with all the Database Setup handlers into the message path, and then “send” commands to it, so that statements like: put field “fDBType” into theDBType — this field resides on the Database Setup card would execute in the context of the Database Setup card. This threw Object Not Found errors, so I thought maybe it’s because the script was inserted into the message path. I then tried this with another button on the Database Setup card whose script was NOT inserted into the message path and got the same result! At that point I put in this handler into the script of the Database Setup card: on test put the short name of this card end test Whether I send or dispatch I get the current card of the current stack. If however: on test put the short name of me end test I now get “Database Setup” whether I use send or dispatch! Well… that IS what I want I suppose. That prompted this thread. If this is the expected behavior, then I really do not understand at all what the dictionary means by “execution context”. I DID however find one other difference between send and dispatch: You can send a command but NOT a function! Dispatch works with commands AND functions. At any rate, it’s academic. I solved the problem by putting this handler in the Database Setup card script: function getConnection theDBObject switch theDBObject case primary put the hilite of button btndbPrimary of me into aConnection [enabled] put (the backgroundcolor of button btnPriConnected of me is lightgreen) into aConnection [connected] put field fPriDBType of me into aConnection [dbtype] put field fPriDBHost of me into aConnection [dbhost] put field fPriDBPort of me into aConnection [dbport] put field fPriDBName of me into aConnection [dbname] put field fpriDBUser of me into aConnection [dbuser] put field fPriDBPass of me into aConnection [dbpass] break case secondary put the hilite of button btndbSecondary of me into aConnection [enabled] put (the backgroundcolor of button btnSecConnected of me is lightgreen) into aConnection [connected] put field fSecDBType of me into aConnection [dbtype] put field fSecDBHost of me into aConnection [dbhost] put field fSecDBPort of me into aConnection [dbport] put field fSecDBName of me into aConnection [dbname] put field fSecDBUser of me into aConnection [dbuser] put field fSecDBPass of me into aConnection [dbpass] break end switch return aConnection end getConnection Now my database back scripts can call this function, and because the button containing the back scripts exists on the same card, they execute in the context of that card. (Whew!) Bob On Feb 7, 2014, at 09:02 , Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah k. I understand what you're saying now. The OP points out that put the short name of this card is returning the current card (as per the dictionary, and the behavior in the OP matches this.) If things remain the same and the message is sent to the card itself (like it was in the OP) then the handler in the card can put the short name of me and it will work because the handler is executing in the card, but if the message is sent to an object on a card the short name of me will return the object name not the card name. So one would have to do something
Re: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
cheese On 08.02.2014, at 17:09, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote: Richmond, My response was directed towards Bob. On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote: Those who choose to obey the laws are either those who are the beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point is that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of the whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or otherwise) of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'. Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as it is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in their own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like we belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose wallpaper patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some) servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to restore servility. I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent from being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the like. And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out: Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled. This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster might say when attempting to expand a protection racket. I'm not suggesting that you To whom does you refer to? Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been put out of joint :) Richmond. are a gangster or run a protection racket, of course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives into those functions. On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote: Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled. Bob There is a small problem there. I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North Korean who broke certain of that country's draconian laws, and, furthermore, do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there. Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has been, where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it is a crime. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Haiku
I see nothing on that page which would indicate an end to the project? On 05.02.2014, at 09:07, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that Haiku (a.k.a. BeOS rediviva) has bitten the dust: http://haiku-os.org/ -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 6.5.2 Doesn't Remember Script Editor Location
On 30.01.2014, at 14:08, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote: Could you please point me to a lesson/steps or something which would help me write a backscript in a plugin and have it open automatically? Well the first stop would obviously be to read the backscript entry of the dictionary. I have a similar setup as mark, only my stack allows the editing of label fields when in browse mode. There's several ways to include code in the message path, for example I use start using stack instead of backscript or frontscript. A so called plugin is simply a stack that resides in the plugin folder within the user extension folder of the IDE. To see where your IDE has stored that folder, go to the Preferences, and select FIles Memory (it's at the bottom). Also check out the development menu: development - plugins - plugin settings Also see this lessons: http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4071/l/21341-how-to-install-a-3rd-party-plugin-in-the-livecode-ide As a test, you can make a stack that reports the location of the mouse when you click in browse mode, to do that just make a new stack with this code in its stack script (also make sure to rename the card accordingly): on openstack if the target = card quote my own plugin quote then start using this stack end if pass openstack end openstack on mouseUp put the mouseLoc return the screenMouseLoc pass mouseUp end mouseUp -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: EditBackground Message?
a quick look in to the dictionary says no, so unless it's undocmented, there's none. On 29.01.2014, at 02:24, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: Anyone know if there's related message sent when the editBackground of a stack is enabled (or start editing group xyz)? I want to trigger some object positioning within a group when the group is edited. Thanks, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Just confirming, groups themselves don't receive mouse messages, right?
On 29.01.2014, at 15:13, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a way to make it so that groups themselves can receive messages directly? No. The only way is, to have an opaque rectangle graphic or other object that fills the whole area of the group. You can send the ink of the graphic to noop, so it's invisible. Hmm, apparently noop is discouraged from use as of 5.0... maybe blndDst is a good replacement? On a side note, why is today experienced-users-ask-about-groups day? -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode and HTML
The problem is that you need the engine for livecode to run. For example, in websites running from an apache server, it's possible to add the engine as a cgi. This is called livecode server, and it can be found here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ But that's not what you want. you want the engine to run within a website that's running within the iBooks application. As far as I know, there's no way to add the engine there. So the answer to your question about running LC as part of html5 is no, it's not possible. but not because of it being html5, but because it's in iBooks.app or iBooks for iOS. On 29.01.2014, at 17:04, Sergio Schvarstein sschvarst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I need to know if there is any way for using LiveCode within HTML5. Concretely, I need to use a simple game I wrote in LiveCode as part of an iBooks author page. Is there any way for converting or embedding it for HTML5 ? Thanks and Regards. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Timing oddity
As far as I can see you're not doing a lot, but repeating that often. In a sense I'd thing you're actually timing repeat with var = 1 to var vs. repeat for var, instead of in what ways arrays change the math operations. Do the same test with the same math operation in the loops, does that yield the same result? Whatever you did to your code, I think it makes it hard to read, and I certainly can't copy paste that to do my own tests. On 25.01.2014, at 07:31, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: 10 11.326327 0.710837 15.933786 100 11.854238 0.662299 17.898622 1000 12.105847 0.698076 17.341732 1 12.502957 0.773339 16.167497 10 13.145294 0.813667 16.155618 100 12.737516 0.886334 14.371008 I ran the code below and got those numbers. I had assumed that array math would be faster than iterating manually, and it is, but I also assumed that the speed difference would increase for larger arrays, and it doesn't -- the array math is about 16 times faster, almost regardless of the array size. Oddly, on a different Macbook, the ratio was about 6, again for multiple sizes of the target array. Not sure why that would be. *on* mouseUp *repeat* with arrayLog = 1 to 6 *put* 10^arrayLog into arrayCount *put* 10^(7 - arrayLog) into repeatLoopCount *repeat* with i = 1 to arrayCount *put* random(100) into X[i] *put* random(10) into Y[i] *end* *repeat* *put* the long seconds into T *repeat* repeatLoopCount *repeat* with i = 1 to arrayCount *add* Y[i] to X[i] *end* *repeat* *end* *repeat* *put* the long seconds - T into T1 *put* the long seconds into T *repeat* repeatLoopCount *add* Y to X *end* *repeat* *put* the long seconds - T into T2 *put* arrayCount T1 T2 T1 / T2 cr after R *delete* variable X *delete* variable Y *end* *repeat* *put* R *end* mouseUp ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mavericks Auto Save and Red Traffic Light plus Back Dot
Go to System Preferences, and select the General tab. Slightly bellow the middle, there's a checkmark saying ask to keep changes when closing documents. Unselect it. Make sure to restart applications now, and then the new behaviour should immediately show up. For example in text edit, documents should show a grey – edited after their name, but not the red dot thingy. You can still force a save, which will include a milestone-type of save (some are also created automatically, usually when a document is closed), you can browse trough the revisions in time machine, even if you have no backup hard disk connected. On 23.01.2014, at 02:49, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: As this is the largest community of Mac users I know please forgive me for asking this off topic question here. I'm on 10.9.1 MBP 15 Retina, I have the latest versions of TextEdit 1.9 (310) and Pages 5.0.1 (1478) I recently purchased OS X Mavericks - The Missing Manual as I find these Missing Manuals have a wealth of little tidbits which help maximise your use of what ever program. It states in this book that Apple programs such as TextEdit, Pages all Auto Save whenever you stop typing or pause your workflow. You can even Quit these applications and all your work is saved and available when you reopen the document - the inference is that you are not presented with any type of dialog box when you Quit because the document is already saved. Also, because of all of this, the convention of changing the Red traffic light icon at the top left of the widow, to show a black dot in it - indicating you have unsaved changes, no longer happens. Well, that's not what I'm experiencing. I open a TextEdit or Pages document and as soon as I make changes the Red Traffic Light icon changes to include a black dot in the the middle. I can leave it for 10-15 min and nothing changes, there is no Auto Save, and if I Quit the program I'm asked if I want to Revert, Cancel or Save. To me, absolutely nothing has changed in this regard. Is anyone else seeing this or are you all as per the book? I'm thinking of submitting an errata but thought I'd better check first that somehow by the grace of God I happen to be the only one that has Mavericks behaving exactly how I expect OS X to behave. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [off] Xojo Update
Ooohhh that's real basic, you had me worried that i had missed a mature dev-environment completely xD On 17.01.2014, at 15:14, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: For everybody who is married to LC, and remembers the big fat lead it has over other tools, Xojo is getting closer: http://www.xojo.com/blog/en/2014/01/ios-progress-report.php -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Using sockets
On 15.01.2014, at 01:14, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: The dictionary adds to the confusion when, in the write to socket entry, it says the socket id is an ip address followed by a port when it's actually followed by a socket. I agree that there's some small inconsistencies in naming sockets vs. ports, but it's actually easy. For example, if you think of IP's as houses, then ports are their (thousands of) doors. Sockets are the little roads between two of those doors (yes even for the same house). Unlike in the real world, those roads are only constructed and paved when you open a socket. The communication happens as so called packets, you can imagine those as very stupid pedestrians, whom always will follow a single road (Note that LC does a great job at obsfucating the packeted nature of IP communication). So a socket is always a connection between two ports. One of them is always the server, and the other is always the client. As a test, try to open a port, and query the openSockets, it will list the open ports. You'll see an outgoing port on the server, and an incoming port on the client. They exist because there's a socket opened. However it only mentions the socketTimeoutInterval. I found the socketTimeout message to be useless. Here's some of it's properties (from memories of a few years back, I could be remembering wrong on some of these): - It will fire if nothing is happening on the socket (no reads or writes pending), in regular intervals - It will fire if a non-blocking read or write is pending or unhandled - It will fire during long reads or writes, while they are happening - It will not fire if there is no socket open In other words, according to LC, everything is always timing out, making the message completely useless in my view (maybe it can be used to find out that the socket is unexpectedly closed, because there sure as hell is no other way to find that important info out in LC...). -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Any work around for no SFTP in LC?
I haven't had to do this myself, but as you said it has come up her and there. As far as i know, sftp is easier to achieve then ftps, but there's several ways for both. Of course only as long as you don't ship for mobiles, where you're generally fucked (but hey, at least it's secure to download crapware, so mobiles got that going for them I guess). 1. Use an existing ftp software,and interact with it This is what most people seem to do, it's done either trough shell, applescript/vba, open process or sockets. Of course you'd need to ship and install the other software for customers. Anyone who did it? 2. Use secure shell (only for sftp, NOT ftps!) Modern OSes all have ways to open ssh (secure shell) to remote hosts via command line, and there are also third party secure command line tools, just as there are third party ftp tools. The relevance of secure shell is, that sftp is usually run as an extension of ssh (needs ssh 2), where ssh does the secure part, and then there's something similar to a 'normal' ftp session run after a secure shell connection is established. You probably need to pipe a lot, because there's no non-blocking shell() in LC. There's people who know a lot about command lines on the list (not me), so it might even be possible to cheaply commission this. 3. Implement sftp/ftps in LC natively Using the build in secure socket support it's possible to implement a secure shell client, and then build sftp commands on top of that. Similar, you'd need to use secure socket and then implement standard ftp on top of that for ftps (well there's also the TSL way to negotiate about security after connecting, but i'm not sure if that needs to be on top of a secure socket, or if it's an alternative?). Anyway, that's a lot of work. 4. add ftps/sftp to the engine currently there are non secure implementations for ftp on iOS as well as Android. They're not part of the libURL stack, but of the engine. Similarly, one could add secured ftp protocols to the engine directly, either by binding a open source library, or by implementing it in c or c++ yourself. There's probably a ton of c++ developers somewhere in the world who would love to do either on commission, but i have no idea how to find even even one. 5. RunRev Oh right, you can of course wait for RR to finish 'refactoring' the language and other tasks they deemed more important. Up to now that only has taken them years, with no visible progress... Further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ftps http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4217.txt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer-02.txt (according to fileZilla this is the version to use for sftp) I'm sure some people can pitch in with what kind of workarounds they've used to achieve ftps? On 16.01.2014, at 15:20, Jim Schaubeck jimschaub...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to support SFTP for a project ... -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: moving files
there's also revcopyfile On 13.01.2014, at 01:22, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: rename? that might be it. Feature added in 1.1.1 One of the more non-intuitive commands like destroystack. sqb -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Best way to refresh screen
Most likely your examples are part of larger scripts. Always make sure that you unlock the screen as often as you lock it. 'lock screen' is symetrical additive, and not on/off switches like most other properties. So if you do two locks, and one unlock the screen is still locked. If that is not your problem, sometimes LC can be a bit cautious with screen refreshes, it tries to do some optimisation by not actually showing all screen changes all the time. In that case try to experiment with wait. Personally I like this form to force a screen refresh (again, only if lock screen is not enabled): wait with messages for 0 seconds note that 'with messages' can impede the speed of your code, and I haven't tested if it's actually better then without. However it seemed to be the best way to make sure (again if lock screen is not enabled somewhere) to get a screen refresh. As a final note, if your script runs in a 'resizeStack' handler, never use lock screen (again because of internal optimisation the screen is actually already locked in an opaque way). On 01.10.2013, at 01:36, proth...@earthednet.org wrote: This seems like it should be easy, but I can't find anything in the documentation. I have a large map image that I want to draw onto. I have defined a viewport, which is a graphic rectangle and all parts of the map that are not within the viewport are hidden. The large map will move around, magnify, etc. This all works. I want to draw symbols on the visible part of the map, and in order to make this efficient, I take a snapshot of the part of the map that's in the viewport and will use that for the symbols. To do the snapshot, I first set the visible of the snapshot image to false, take the snapshot of the map, then set the visible of the snapshot image to true. Set the visible of snapShotImage to FALSE take snapshot -- this takes the snapshot of the snapsShotImage Set the visible of the snapShotImage to TRUE --this does not refresh the screen. I can get it to work if I do: Set the visible of snapShotImage to FALSE take snapshot -- this works wait 0.2 seconds Set the visible of the snapShotImage to TRUE --this does refresh the screen Is this the best way to force a screen refresh??? Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Converting Python
I'm on Waddinghams side here. Do as other language is integrated with the alternateLanguages. If something isn't in the alternateLanguages, it does not belong into do as other language. So what you'd probably need to convince him (and me) of, is to find a reliable way to get available languages into the alternateLanguages, and then make the execution of the language work with do after that. So the real linux-related problems are therefore: 1. Is there any os-suplied way to query available scripting languages (excluding random executables that do not belong)? For example, simply dumping $path into alternateLanguages is probably too broad and unreliable. 2. Is there a way to run scripting languages without going trough a shell-like wrapper (because mark has said he wants it to work the same as on other platforms)? In the end, wouldn't your goal be easier achieved with a modified shell() function that allows to pass fields as if they're files (for multi-line scripts)? On 17.09.2013, at 22:22, Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Tuesday, September 17, 2013, 10:51:44 AM, you wrote: In the meantime, what could we do with do...as... that we can't do by calling Python/Perl/etc. from the command line via shell? To avoid repeating myself, see my last comment in the forum thread. The tl;dr: probably nothing, especially for one-liners, but it gets progressively more complex once you start executing longer scripts. And I still think there's a cognitive difference between do tScript as perl and get shell(perl tScript) -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT: Sparkleshare
sounds like fun, but the advantage of dropbox is the free space, which this does not have, because you need to host it yourself. on the plus side, you'll be able to test it easily on github yourself :) On 10.09.2013, at 18:21, Mark Wieder wrote: Does anyone have any experience with Sparkleshare? We're looking into it as an alternative to Dropbox, and since it's built on git, I'm curious about how it handles multiuser issues like file conflicts. http://sparkleshare.org/ -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Datagrid: Edit row, save to database
sure, i suggest you check out the lessons, mosg dg stuff is documented there: http://lessons.runrev.com/m/datagrid for example: http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/7314-how-do-i-add-a-row-of-data-to-an-existing-data-grid or: http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/7337-how-do-i-save-changes-the-user-makes-in-an-editor-field-to-an-external-data-source On 28.08.2013, at 13:53, Pascal Lehner wrote: Hi all, Sitting in the Indian sun and writing on my hobby project. (Sorry for that.. ;-) Couldn't be better if there wasn't that one thing I cannot figure out just now. I load data from several tables (main table: ingredients) from a a SQLite database into a data grid. Now I wan't to provide an option to edit such displayed rows within the data grid. The user should be able to click on a certain field and then edit it however he wishes. When clicking save (or upon exiting this field), these data should be saved back to the database. Kinda like Excel can do. Also, there is fields where he should be able to chose from a drop-down menu (like 'categories') since these are linked tables and I only store the index no in the 'ingredients table'. Similarly, I wan't to provide an option to add new rows but I think that's going to be a similar command/code. Is there an easy way to do that? If not, I might just display several fields with the data for him to edit below the grid but that probably isn't what a user expects from such a datagrid.. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Pascal ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How to build webcam application
there's existing services for that, like twitch.tv or livestream.com On 26.08.2013, at 01:01, Mark wrote: Hi all, I was wondering how to go about building a desktop application that would allow people to watch my band play live at a gig. These people are not able to attend the gig, so I was thinking that this client and host app would allow them to watch and listen in a live scenario. Anyone have any ideas about how to go about this? Thanx, Mark ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The encoding property
i think your list is overzealous. For example considering abbr, abbrev, abbreviated (from teh abbreviated docu entry): Note: The abbreviated keyword is implemented internally as a property, and appears in the propertyNames. However, it cannot be used as a property in an expression, nor with the set command. There's quite a few of these kewyord-properties maybe try to match against all entries, not just property entries? What about desktop, are you sure that's not supposed to be desktop folder (various folders: engine, documents, etc.)? Statusicons (and it's entourage) are marked as beta in the releasenotes (been like that for years). Said all that, there's certainly valid ones, like columndel (rowdel), because it's a valid syntax but not documented. But I suggest you weed the list down manually. On 26.08.2013, at 23:46, Peter Haworth wrote: Here's the list of entries in propertynames that have no matching entry in the dictionary. There's quite a few understandable omissions such as abbrev, english,system(why are they in the propertynames?). Maybe I should put this into a QCC report? _hscrollbarid _ideoverride _unplacedgroupids _vscrollbarid abbr abbrev abbreviated breakpoints columndel compositorstatistics controlids controlnames currentcard debugcontext deferscreenupdates desktop detailed documents effective engine english fillback flaggedranges formattedstyledtext home iconmenu internet lockupdates long lzwkey messagemessages printrect processtype referringstack revavailablehandlers revavailablevariables revcrashreportsettings revlicenseinfo revlicenselimits revmessageboxlastobject revmessageboxredirect revobjectlisteners revpropertylistenerthrottle revruntimebehaviour revunplacedgroupids rowdel savecompressed screen scriptexecutionerrors scriptparsingerrors securitycategories securitypermissions short statusicon statusiconmenu statusicontooltip system tabalign temporary traceabort traceuntil unicodeacceleratortext urlresponse watchedvariables working Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I've entered bug# 11129 at the QCC. Came across another property that causes the same problem - flaggedRanges. That's also interesting because flaggedRanges is not in the dictionary. I think I'm going to make a simple stack that checks the output of the propertynames against the Bjornke's SQLite db of the dictionary to get a definitive list of properties which have no dictionary entries. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:12 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 8/26/13 2:14 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: If you try to get the encoding of the templatefield, LC aborts with no error message. Getting the encoding of a real field works OK. Happens in 5.5.0, thru 6.1.1(rc3). I realize this is pretty obscure but I do have a need to do this and wondering if anyone else has come across this bug? Yeah. Write it up for us? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: html tags recognized by htmlText
Meanwhile Bjornke has come up with a way to convert the doc files into a SQLite database, and that makes it faster, more maintainable, easier to use, and more flexible. Unfortunately his converter doesn't work on linux, but the resulting database is cross-platform. I can't really test on Linux, but most likely the problem is with where LiveCode stores it's user add ons. In LC, go to the Preferences Menu - Files memory Pane - User extensions (at the bottom) That one needs to be set to a writeable, existing folder. LC does not check if the folder exists. If that is not the problem, you might need to check if the dictionary is stored differently by the IDE on linux: put the cCustomizationPath of stack revpreferences Tho.. that knowledge wouldn't really do you any good... err.. yeah xD -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: posting binary-data to livecode-server - how to get progress information
look at the dictionary :) On 18.07.2013, at 15:44, Matthias Rebbe wrote: Björnke, what is liburlexpect100? Could please explain? Matthias Am 18.07.2013 um 15:36 schrieb Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com: try fiddling with the liburlexpect100 On 18.07.2013, at 13:15, Matthias Rebbe wrote: Hi, i am uploading binary files from a livecode app to a livecode-server script using the post method. This works well w/o problems. When posting larger files it would be nice to see the progress of the upload. How can this be accomplished? I tried to define a callback using libUrlSetStatusCallback w/o success. I also tried to use the urlprogress message, also w/o success. Do i have to add something to the livecode-server script or is it not possible to get information about the upload progress? Regards, Matthias ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: sqlite ios pragma
ah too bad.. At this point i'd go and ask support, if runrev disabled something or used a different driver version (or different compile), then they'll probably know why this doesn't work on iOS. Not that that would actually help right now, but maybe it's an easily fixable bug in the external? On 18.07.2013, at 16:46, Mike Kerner wrote: It works fine in the IDE/Mac/Windows, so when I took it over to iOS and it didn't work, I spent a couple of hours trying to debug other things before I found out that NONE of the PRAGMAs seem to work. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: No, you're on your own there. I'd think it weird to not work there tho. Did your code work in the ide? On 17.07.2013, at 19:46, Mike Kerner wrote: I found out about this because I couldn't get PRAGMA to work in the simulator when it works fine on the desktop. So, BvG, are you saying it works for you on iOS? On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: Yes, saw them after I made my post, sorry. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Hi Pete, Have you read my next post and Björnke's follow-up? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 17 jul 2013, at 17:38, Peter Haworth wrote: Can't speak for iOS but on the desktop, PRAGMA is just another SQLite statement that can be executed fine via revDataFromQuery. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: sqlite ios pragma
To be precise, the following code works for me (some parts removed): put the selectedText of me into theName put revopendatabase(sqlite,field path,,,) into theID put revDataFromQuery(comma,,theID, PRAGMA table_info = theName) into myPragma if myPragma begins with revdberr then answer error in Database: Pragma failed: myPragma return myQuery exit to top else if myPragma then --0,ID,INTEGER,1,,1 repeat for each line theLine in myPragma put item 3 of theLine comma after theTypes end repeat delete char -1 of theTypes end if On 17.07.2013, at 11:44, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi again Mike, I've just been told that PRAGMA does exist on the desktop version of LiveCode now (thanks Björnke). It might also work on iOS. Perhaps you need to post some code. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi Fill out this survey please http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com/survey/ On 7/16/2013 05:40, Mike Kerner wrote: anybody trying to use that combination: PRAGMA in sqlite on ios? Everything else with this DB seems to work fine, but PRAGMA does not - returns 0 whether I do PRAGMA database_list or table_info(tableName) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: on-rev reliability ?
I have not made any sophisticated solutions on on-rev. However, The servers where seldomly down for me. I was on Loki, and during the server move was transferred to tio. I don't think i've had many major downs, altho I am mostly judging it by the availability of email service (am not checking my site regularly). I too have seen a lot of mentions of thor downtimes. It seems to me, that one is a dirty server somehow, at least compared to the ones I was/am on. Said that, if you worry about downtime so much, I am very sure that a single failure shared hosting point like on-rev is not what you want, not even my experience. Neither would of course be dreamhost, networksolutions or other such services. You'd need a dedicated machine (rack space), or a cloud based account like amazon offers. Those do cost money and are harder to set up and also need more work to maintain. On 09.07.2013, at 20:32, j...@souslelogo.com wrote: Hi folks, I'm back on this list after a few of years (although I never stopped using LC). I'd like to get opinions and experiences about on-rev... I have been using the service for almost 3 years via 3 different accounts, and have built professional apps websites on LC on-rev, and several companies are using these apps and have built their business around them. Everything worked seamlessly for almost 2 years, but last february march, we started experiencing huge frequent server (thor) crashes and slowdowns, which put us in a terrible situation towards our clients who threatened to sue us because we weren't delivering the service they paid for... Meanwhile, one of our accounts was moved to a new server (pancake) but it appeared that something went wrong during the move, because we experienced random bugs in some scripts that lead to corrupted data in DBs and random errors in automatically generated pdf files (invoices for instance)... To solve this problem, I had to move all scripts, files and DBs to another account of ours still on thor... Last but not least, for the last few days, we had a few server crashes again, and of course our clients yelling at us... Last week-end I also noticed some erratic behavior during ftp transfer that lead to corrupted scripts and huge bugs in web pages... Searching through the list archives I found a few posts mentioning that thor was down again, but nobody seemed to be in a panic business-wise because of that... So finally, here's my question / request : we have the feeling that most of the problems are due to the fact that thor is a shared server and that some other on-rev users are playing dirty games, and we are thinking of moving our accounts to a dedicated server. Before subscribing to on-rev, I had a Revolution engine installed on a dedicated Linux server an experienced crashes or slowdowns only 2 or 3 times a year, not every 2 or 3 days... Does anyone on this list have built rather sophisticated with Livecode on-rev ? If yes, how do you deal with all those server problems ? Thanks in advance for any opinion, and sorry for the long post... jbv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: preparing a stack for printing
oops, i forgot that I asked this question :( (un)luckily I still have this nagging feeling i'm doing things wrong :) the printable area is not the printRectangle, and when I test that by making a rectangle the size of the card while the card is the size of the printRectangle, i get a large right- as well as somewhat down-shifted printouts. i'm still interested in a more precise/different way to find out the actual width and height of what I can print into (assuming flexibility with allowing any settings to change). This is my current approach: put item 3 of the printRectangle - item 1 of the PrintRectangle - item 1 of the printMargins - item 3 of the printMargins into myEffectivePrintWidth put item 4 of the printRectangle - item 2 of the PrintRectangle - item 2 of the printMargins - item 4 of the printMargins into myEffectivePrintHeight I somewhat suspect the printgutter to maybe shift this around.. haven't tested that tho. On 10.06.2013, at 21:51, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 6/10/13 10:24 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: Hi I'm trying to print a kind of report, and am weirded out by all the different rectangles and widths that are available (printRectangle, printPaperRectangle, printPaperSize, printMargins, etc.) All I want is the printable area, so I can set the width and height of my stack to that amount, then print the first card. It seems that the below lines produce an approximation amount, but it's not completely correct. The approach also so weirdly backwards and roundabout! I guess my question is, isn't there any way to get the same or a better result more easily? put item 3 of the printRectangle - item 1 of the PrintRectangle - item 1 of the printMargins - item 3 of the printMargins into myEffectivePrintWidth put item 4 of the printRectangle - item 2 of the PrintRectangle - item 2 of the printMargins - item 4 of the printMargins into myEffectivePrintHeight All printers include areas of the paper that they can't print on. Usually that's about a quarter inch on the sides and a half inch at the bottom and sometimes the top, but each printer is different. The printRectangle gives you the actual area that the printer is capable of printing to. The printMargins add extra space to that area, so you don't want any printMargins. Set all the printMargins to zero. Method One: If the card objects are not exactly at the edges of the card, then the card's blank space will also be added to the printout. If you want objects to appear exactly within the printer's available area, place card objects at the very edges and top of the card. Usually that means you need to make a separate stack just for printing because in the real stack it looks bad. After all that is done, you can just print directly using the printRectangle to determine the size the card should be: set the rect of this stack to the printRectangle Set the printing stack's visibility to false so that the user can't see it move to the top left of the screen. You'll probably want to rearrange the objects at the edges of the newly sized card before printing. Method Two: Alternately you can print the card into rect and use the printRectangle as the target rect. This won't require a separate printing card. That is easier but this method will resize the card objects, which may or may not be what you want: print this cd from the topLeft of firstObject to the bottomRight of lastObject into rect the printRectangle -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
preparing a stack for printing
Hi I'm trying to print a kind of report, and am weirded out by all the different rectangles and widths that are available (printRectangle, printPaperRectangle, printPaperSize, printMargins, etc.) All I want is the printable area, so I can set the width and height of my stack to that amount, then print the first card. It seems that the below lines produce an approximation amount, but it's not completely correct. The approach also so weirdly backwards and roundabout! I guess my question is, isn't there any way to get the same or a better result more easily? put item 3 of the printRectangle - item 1 of the PrintRectangle - item 1 of the printMargins - item 3 of the printMargins into myEffectivePrintWidth put item 4 of the printRectangle - item 2 of the PrintRectangle - item 2 of the printMargins - item 4 of the printMargins into myEffectivePrintHeight -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Another bizarre Apple patent troll case, in which Runtime Revolution plays a bit part
Of large importance to this list is the third last paragraph, (last link on the first page of two): ... Milekic had never written a line of code or taken a programming class; he told a Philly tech publication that his touchscreen software was built with a program called RunTime Revolution, which says it makes programming learnable by anyone who can use a computer. On 02.06.2013, at 05:26, Howard Bornstein wrote: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/apple-betrayed-by-its-own-law-firm/ -- Regards, Howard Bornstein --- www.designeq.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: bundling multiple database queries and getting a result
You can't do multi line sql with livecode, you have to issue them separately. So for example in SQLite this works to reduce latency: revexecuteSQL theConnID, BEGIN TRANSACTION repeat 20 times revexecuteSQL theConnID, INSERT INTO table (column) VALUES 'blah' end repeat revexecuteSQL theConnID, END TRANSACTION Dunnow if it'll help in a networked environment when doing queries tho. On 01.06.2013, at 20:45, Dr. Hawkins wrote: My initial forays haven't been successful. I want to pull unrelated things, likely from different tables, from the same database as part of a single inquiry something like begin transaction; SELECT a, b, c FROM firsttable; SELECT name,address FROM othertable WHERE ID=47; commit; The inquiries aren't really related, but the latency in an offsite query means that a series of inquiries slows down the program. I've tried BEGIN TRANSACTION; SELECT val FROM baggins_bilbo001_dinfo WHERE kywd='dFirstName'; SELECT val FROM baggins_bilbo001_dinfo WHERE kywd='dLastName'; COMMIT; Which returns 0 from revExecuteSQL I've tried leaving off the begin/commit with revDataFromQuery, but only the last query gets executed. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC Users - in the Bristol, Southhampton,Taunton triangle
They're not on mailing lists or forums, instead they're slaving away on their code :) On 31.05.2013, at 17:44, Peter Haworth wrote: So where are all the users? -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dictionary woes
weee... I'm not xD On 25.05.2013, at 21:45, Richmond wrote: Everybody should be really glad that the dictionary problem that occurred with 6.0.1 seems to have been sorted out. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: randomly order a list
Seems someone beat us to entering this feature request: http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10919 On 24.05.2013, at 12:04, Dave Cragg wrote: Nice one, Alex. I spent an hour convincing myself that the sA array could contain duplicate elements after the loop, until the penny dropped. Remind me never to play cards if you're shuffling. :-) Dave On 24 May 2013, at 00:41, Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net wrote: Yes, that's a good shuffle for small data, but a bit slow for larger data sets. I dug out an old function I wrote a few years ago (and converted it to LC); this would be faster for large data sets (time taken grows linearly rather than by the square of the number of lines). local sA, sIndex -- filled with random shuffle index, returned one-by-one from fn calls function shuffleLines pSource put empty into tNew put the number of lines of pSource into tNum -- fill an array with 'self' numbers repeat with i = 1 to tNum put i into tA[i] end repeat repeat with n = tNum down to 1 put random(n) into tRand put tA[tRand] into sA[n] put tA[n] into tA[tRand] end repeat put 0 into sIndex sort lines of pSource by _shuffle() return pSource end shuffleLines function _shuffle add 1 to sIndex return sA[sIndex] end _shuffle -- Alex. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [ON-REV] by the way what happened to on-rev ftp editor?
i suggest you contact supp...@runrev.com On 23.05.2013, at 17:04, Robert Mann wrote: • Last week, on opening on-rev editor version 2 (latest?!) i got a msg kind of a new version is on the way.. just.. go and get a pint of beer! set of! (actually there was new download link but did not work) • Today the editor just freezes (wanted to try an alternative upload to interarchy), no beer! no more msg. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ON-REV-by-the-way-what-happened-to-on-rev-ftp-editor-tp4665299.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: randomly order a list
So much misinformation in this thread :( The random function works! it uses the same code as many other programs to do random stuff. Of course it's using a semi random list, but the technicalities about when random is not random enough does not come into place for sorting lines. sort the lines of theList by random(the number of lines in theList) This too works. there's no need to make an arbitrary large number _BECAUSE IT MIGHT IN SOME CASES DECREASE RANDOMNESS_. Mostly when your variable grows bigger then anticipated, so usually you're fine. But still, don't use arbitrary magic numbers, it's just bad coding habits. As for the original poster: DO NOT SET THE RANDOMSEED Then your code will start to work as expected, or as erroneous as you coded it ;-) On 23.05.2013, at 03:16, Jacques Hausser wrote: Chris, I think Randy has put his finger on something: the * is before any number or letter in the ASCII numeration. I do not know what the random function uses when randomizing a set (I was not even aware of this possibility) but that could well be the ASCII value(s) of the first char(s). Jacques Le 23 mai 2013 à 02:36, Randy Hengst iowahen...@mac.com a écrit : Well Chris, I'm sure you've already tried this, but when this kind of thing happens to me… in other words, when a script is correct, but the results are wrong… I've messed something up later in the script with another put statement that overrides it. Maybe the place in the script where you've removed the * My debugging skills are not top notch… So, I'd brute force things and put an answer tPossibleAnswers after each line to see what is happening… and again at the end of the handler. I'd be interested in what you discover. be well, randy - On May 22, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: Thanks for the suggestions everyone, but I'm still getting strange results, and I'm beginning to think there's something I'm doing that's affecting use of the random() function. Not really sure what it would be though. Here's my code: set the itemDel to tab put * item 3 of sRecSet into tPossibleAnswers -- correct answer put cr item 4 of sRecSet after tPossibleAnswers -- distractor 1 put cr item 5 of sRecSet after tPossibleAnswers -- distractor 2 sort lines of tPossibleAnswers by random(99) -- randomly re-order the list This app pulls words from a database and presents three possible answers to choose from. The asterisk above is used to identify the correct answer after the sort takes place. It's removed later on. The sort only works randomly one time. After that, the same sort order is used every time, so the correct answer *always* ends up listed first. It doesn't matter if I use a very high number or if I use 'the number of lines of tPossibleAnswers'. Something is very strange. Just as a quick test, I added a button to the card with this inside: put one cr two cr three into tLines sort lines of tLines by random(the number of lines of tLines) answer tLines This seems to work just fine. Yes, it does mean getting the same order sometimes twice or maybe even three times in a row, but not usually more than that, which would be fine in this case. So I'm not sure what's going on with my actual code. I'm no longer setting the randomSeed or anything like that. The other strange thing is no matter what I try, if I use the random() function or the any keyword in anyway, I get similar results. Something is affecting the randomness. This is for an iOS app, btw, if that makes any difference to anyone. This might be kind of a dumb thing to do, but the only other thing I can think of would be to add several more lines of data to the three actual possible answers, then sort the whole thing, then somehow filter out everything I added before the sort. With more lines, maybe I'd get better results? Thanks again, Chris On May 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Dar Scott d...@swcp.com wrote: I think you are going to get the first line of the original list (correct answer) about half the time. Does that seem right to you from what you have seen? The correct answer will be in the first two about 80% of the time. Using the larger argument for random should give you better proportions. You should get it in the first line a third of the time. If you only interested in the first line, there might be some methods that are clearer and more fun. Dar On May 22, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: I have a list of three words that I need to be randomly sorted. To start with, the first word is the correct answer to a question. I want to re-order the list so that the correct answer may be the second or third word, and not necessarily the first. How can I do this successfully every time? The docs give an example like this: sort lines of myVar by random(the number of lines of myVar) But this only seems to work
Re: Continuing a script after cloning a stack
I think you could do something like this: clone this stack set the name of this stack to my new stack go stack my previously only stack use lock screen and/or go hidden respectively hide stack to reduce screen flickering. On 23.05.2013, at 21:12, Peter Haworth wrote: I have a script that clones a substack, followed by some other commands to rename the cloned substack and set it's mainstack. As soon as the clone command is issued, control passes to the cloned stack and the rest of my script is ignored. That's pretty much expected behavior but I'm wondering if there are any tricks that would allow my script to continue processing or perhaps some other method of duplicating a stack. I tried copying the stack to the clipboard followed by a paste but control passed to the new stack immediately after the paste. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [ON-REV] by the way what happened to on-rev ftp editor?
On 23.05.2013, at 21:21, Matthias Rebbe wrote: Support email address for on-rev related things is on-...@runrev.com i suggest you contact supp...@runrev.com Ah right, email both ;-) -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: randomly order a list
Yes, that is why I myself lean towards a feature request. For example the following line could tell the engine to make a unique random number for each of the supplied lines, to not have the problem with lines that come first getting a higher probability: sort theData by random(the number of lines in theData) of each On 23.05.2013, at 21:57, Dar Scott wrote: I don't think anybody is claiming that random() does not work. (Some random number generators will break with a bad seed, but that is outside the scope of discussion.) When Chris thought random() was broken, most people suggested he look at his code around the sort. The problem is that randomly assigning sort values will distort the sort because of the handling when sort values are equal. The sort value is assigned independently for each line or item. That means some will be the same. In the same sense, if I sorted on length of the item, those items with the same length will keep the same order. In this random() case, some will have the same randomly selected number. Large values to random() reduces the distortion. For random(2) and a list of 2, the first will be first again 75% of the time. For random(3) and a list of 3, it will be first 53% of the time. For random(99) it seems to be first 50% of the time for either of those cases. I think you do have a point about lists eventually becoming larger than the large number. If random does something reasonable with an super large number than that might be better. Dar On May 23, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: So much misinformation in this thread :( The random function works! it uses the same code as many other programs to do random stuff. Of course it's using a semi random list, but the technicalities about when random is not random enough does not come into place for sorting lines. sort the lines of theList by random(the number of lines in theList) This too works. there's no need to make an arbitrary large number _BECAUSE IT MIGHT IN SOME CASES DECREASE RANDOMNESS_. Mostly when your variable grows bigger then anticipated, so usually you're fine. But still, don't use arbitrary magic numbers, it's just bad coding habits. As for the original poster: DO NOT SET THE RANDOMSEED Then your code will start to work as expected, or as erroneous as you coded it ;-) On 23.05.2013, at 03:16, Jacques Hausser wrote: Chris, I think Randy has put his finger on something: the * is before any number or letter in the ASCII numeration. I do not know what the random function uses when randomizing a set (I was not even aware of this possibility) but that could well be the ASCII value(s) of the first char(s). Jacques Le 23 mai 2013 à 02:36, Randy Hengst iowahen...@mac.com a écrit : Well Chris, I'm sure you've already tried this, but when this kind of thing happens to me… in other words, when a script is correct, but the results are wrong… I've messed something up later in the script with another put statement that overrides it. Maybe the place in the script where you've removed the * My debugging skills are not top notch… So, I'd brute force things and put an answer tPossibleAnswers after each line to see what is happening… and again at the end of the handler. I'd be interested in what you discover. be well, randy - On May 22, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: Thanks for the suggestions everyone, but I'm still getting strange results, and I'm beginning to think there's something I'm doing that's affecting use of the random() function. Not really sure what it would be though. Here's my code: set the itemDel to tab put * item 3 of sRecSet into tPossibleAnswers -- correct answer put cr item 4 of sRecSet after tPossibleAnswers -- distractor 1 put cr item 5 of sRecSet after tPossibleAnswers -- distractor 2 sort lines of tPossibleAnswers by random(99) -- randomly re-order the list This app pulls words from a database and presents three possible answers to choose from. The asterisk above is used to identify the correct answer after the sort takes place. It's removed later on. The sort only works randomly one time. After that, the same sort order is used every time, so the correct answer *always* ends up listed first. It doesn't matter if I use a very high number or if I use 'the number of lines of tPossibleAnswers'. Something is very strange. Just as a quick test, I added a button to the card with this inside: put one cr two cr three into tLines sort lines of tLines by random(the number of lines of tLines) answer tLines This seems to work just fine. Yes, it does mean getting the same order sometimes twice or maybe even three times in a row, but not usually more than that, which would be fine in this case. So I'm not sure what's going on with my actual code. I'm no longer setting the randomSeed
