Re: [ANN] conference - tickets sent

[Dirk prive via use-livecode]

Ik zie niet direct mijn ticket?
Groeten,
Dirk Cleenwerck


On Feb 23, 2017 23:39, "Mark Schonewille via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The tickets for the eHUG International Mini Conference on LiveCode have
> been sent. Everyone who ordered a ticket until yesterday should have
> received it by now. Obviously, if you didn't, you should contact me
> right-away.
>
> If you regret not having bought a ticket, you can still do so until we
> disable this feature of the website. However, you might want to send me an
> e-mail or call first.
>
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>
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Re: [ANN] Important: reply before friday - conference!

[Dirk prive via use-livecode]

I might go, but it really depends on when. If it's on Saturday I'll be able
to join.

On Jan 12, 2017 22:41, "Mark Schonewille via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> We really need 4 or 5 more participants to make the conference possible.
> If you are planning to go, let me know! If you know someone else who might
> go, ask him or her to send me a message.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
> http://economy-x-talk.com
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>
> Buy the most extensive book on the
> LiveCode language:
> http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com
>
> Op 12-Jan-17 om 00:42 schreef Mark Schonewille:
>
>> International LiveCode Mini Conference
>>
>> - Time and date are still preliminary!
>> - Make sure to send a message to me on Friday or earlier if you're
>> interested!
>> - decisions are made over the weekend, depending on feedback!
>>
>> In the second half of February, an international LiveCode Mini
>> Conference has been scheduled. The dates are still to be determined. The
>> conference has been planned to take place during the weekends of 18 or
>> 25 February.
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE: While the conference is called a "LiveCode" conference,
>> anyone with an interest in rapid application development is invited:
>> database admins, Filemaker users, Xojo fans, SuperCard aficionados, and
>> anyone who is looking for new ways to be creative with computers.
>>
>> All information is preliminary. As the date of the conference
>> approaches, we will have all information available.
>>
>> The conference will consist of one day with multiple sessions. We're
>> planning simultaneous workshops and presentations. We're thinking of
>> four times two simultaneous sessions of 30 minutes. Afterwards, there
>> will be plenty of opportunity to meet with fellow programmers and
>> discuss any topic you like.
>>
>> The conference will be held in Antwerp, Belgium, to facilitate
>> participation by British, French and German people. Obviously, you're
>> also invited if you live in a different country.
>>
>> We're planning to rent a conference room. Therefore, there will be a
>> small fee of approximately 35 euro (including VAT, with invoice).  If
>> you want to host a workshop or give a presentation, you'll be eligible
>> for a discount. Since fees are small, discounts will be small too.
>>
>> Possible topics:
>> - Getting started with LiveCode
>> - Advanced LiveCode scripting
>> - Widgets
>> - Arduino and Raspberry Pi
>> - Usage in real life (home and business)
>> - DBMS (MySQL, PostGreSQL, XML, others)
>> - FileMaker
>> - SuperCard
>> - HyperStudio
>> - Xojo
>> - PHP
>> - other subjects
>>
>> You might want to spend one or two nights in a hotel. We'll be happy to
>> help you find board and lodgings. The hotel room, drinks, food and other
>> expenses will be on your own account.
>>
>> We would like to know how many people are interested. Please, send a
>> reply to support (at) economy-x-talk.com before Friday 13th if you're
>> interested. This weekend, all decisions will be made final.
>>
>> This might be the only edition of this conference! Grab the opportunity
>> and make sure you're there! It is going to be special for sure!
>>
>>
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Re: LiveCode for the Hobbyists

[Dirk prive]

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Terence Heaford 
wrote:

> I would like a license with LiveCode but am not prepared to stump up
> $499/year which I believe,  is extortionate (forgive the word, but it is my
> word).
> I may be wrong but has it just gone up to $.
>


> I am sure there are those who just buy a $499 licence and really don’t
> make enough money to justify it and at some point those people will fall by
> the wayside.
> What are people willing to pay for LiveCode? $1000, $1500, $2000, $2500…..
> What has been the progression of prices in the last 5 years for an Indy
> Licence?
>

I just checked.

In March 2015 I tried to renew my commercial license, but could not because
it was replaced by the Indy license.
At that point I had to pay 299$/yr for my Indy License.

Then just 4 months later on the 29th of June I received a mail announcing
the rise in price to 499$ from July 24th.
You could avoid it by purchasing the Indy License at the special price of
499$ for 2 years of subscription and that would give you the right to buy
future Indy licenses at the price of 299$ in subsequent years. That was
presented as a "one time opportunity to protect you against this and any
future price rises as a thank you for your loyalty".

Now on Feb 18th we received the announcement of the mergEXT acquisition,
and the price increase to 999$.
The increase is phased mid-march 2016 from 499$ to 599$ and then to 999$ by
Jan 2017.

The message seems clear:

   - If you are current, stay current (that would be me).
   - If you don't subscribe yet, subscribe now to get the current price and
   keep the current price in the future (that would be 499$/yr)


So for new customers in Jan 2017 the price will be over 3 times what it was
for new customers in march 2015. I would say that is a price that goes up
way faster than one would expect. The company knows the numbers though and
they need to make sure that they can survive or we would no longer have a
product.

Kind regards,
Dirk Cleenwerck
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Re: LiveCode for the Hobbyists

[Dirk prive]

Hi again,

I just re-read everything I received so far and have come to the conclusion
that some things could have been communicated better by the company.

*From their mail on feb 18th.*
29 More Reasons to Celebrate 8
We are committed to delivering a quality core product that offers great
value to our paying license holders. LiveCode 8 is the future for our
platform with the new widget architecture, a brand new scripting language
and HTML5 deployment. By January 2017 the price of LiveCode Indy will rise
to $999, incrementally over the course of the next year.  Read about
LiveCode 8 and your opportunity to subscribe at today's price and lock in
tomorrows increased value *here >*


*then the mail on feb 24th.*
[Release] LiveCode 8 dp 15 Now Available


The subscription price will rise from $499 to $599 in March and to $999 by
January 2017, if you subscribe now you will keep your price at $499

 and take advantage of all the future enhancements to come.
We are committed to delivering a high quality core product providing a top
coding experience for our open source users and great value to our paying
license holders.LiveCode 8 is the future, with the new widget architecture,
a brand new scripting language and HTML5 deployment. To reflect the added
value of LiveCode 8, by January 2017 the price of LiveCode Indy will rise
to $999, incrementally over the course of the next year. Read about LiveCode
 8 and your opportunity to subscribe at today’s price, locking in
tomorrow's increased value, here.


To me it looked like I needed to subscribe now (as in take action) for 499$
to keep my price.
I guess I didn't understand all the English involved here correctly.
(sorry, English is only my third language).
I didn't understand that this didn't mean me, since I already have a
subscription.
Also the last line of the block at the bottom was critical: "Read about
LiveCode 8 and your opportunity to subscribe at today's price, locking in
tomorrow's increased value, *here*"

When I actually clicked that link and go to the bottom of the page under
FAQ:
*I have an existing LiveCode Indy subscription at a different price – will
that price be maintained? *Yes, as long as you keep your subscription
current you can continue to renew at the price you originally paid for it.
If your subscription lapses and you are ready to repurchase, you will need
to pay whatever price is current on our website to renew.

Therefore since I have an existing subscription, I just need to make sure I
keep it current and I should be fine.

So for people in the same boat as me, keep your license current and enjoy
using LiveCode at your current price.

Sorry for the noise.
Dirk Cleenwerck

PS: I still think there should be something in between community edition
and Indy for the hobby programmers, but that is a decision the company
should make. I think there is a market there, but it's up to them to decide
if they want to server that market or not. If my discussion did anything,
it was show that there are other hobby programmers out there that feel the
same way.


On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Curry Kenworthy  wrote:

>
> Then again there's no free lunch, as the rising paid prices demonstrate.
> That's a bit of software socialism in action, and the resulting new pricing
> widens the gap for the paid features. Now we're not just talking about
> hobbyists. The overall value of the LiveCode package also increases with
> new inclusions, no argument there, but doubling the fee for mandatory
> inclusions won't be a trivial change for some Indy coders.
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Re: LiveCode for the Hobbyists

[Dirk prive]

Maybe something along the line of as paying license customers we can have
some expectations/influence. For instance I would like Android support on
par with iOS support. As someone that just donated once, I feel like I have
no voice, since I'm not a customer. And yes Android support has been a
driving motivator for me.

Dirk Cleenwerck.
On Feb 27, 2016 01:21, "Monte Goulding"  wrote:

>
> > On 27 Feb 2016, at 9:28 AM, [-hh]  wrote:
> >
> > Build on the next generation, who will become decision maker in a few
> > years. And, if they *know* the software, may also become possible
> > buyers of LC-related products:
> > Give teachers and their students in class FREE copies.
> > Give university students and hobbyists very cheap copies.
>
> Which out of these groups isn't covered by LiveCode Community? Clearly
> Indy has a target market of developers earning or planning to earn at least
> enough to justify the cost. I'm not really sure I understand the issue
> here. Is it people want to give the company money but don't want to do it
> via donations as thanks for the availability of Community?
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
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Re: Players in HTML5 - ETA for Full Functionality?

[Dirk prive]

Yes, you got it exactly right. I think the community version is fine, but I
like the company and the idea behind the product. That is why I have been
paying for this for all this time. I can afford 999$/yr, so the company
will lose a sale. Not just one sale, but a yearly sale. Don't forget I kept
up to date since 2007. It'll be strange to not pay and use the community
version, since that really is not how I want to use the product. I actually
prefer supporting the company.
Maybe I'm just strange. :)

Dirk Cleenwerck.
On Feb 26, 2016 21:15, "J. Landman Gay"  wrote:

> On 2/26/2016 1:38 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> I don't understand why the OSS version won't work for you if it's a
>> 'hobby'
>> thing
>>
>
> I understand what he means. The OSS version would work fine, but that's
> not the point. His point is that he thinks LC is losing money from those
> who would like to contribute by purchasing a license at a reduced rate
> (possibly restricted to personal use only, or something similar I'm
> guessing.)
>
> It isn't that there is no path forward, but rather that he thinks the
> current licensing model is costing the company some sales. I don't know if
> that's true or not, I'm just playing interpreter.
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Re: Players in HTML5 - ETA for Full Functionality?

[Dirk prive]

Ok, since I see that my point was hard to understand, I'll try to make it a
bit more clear.

I would be willing to pay about 300$/year to have a hobby programming tool.
I think that is good money the company could use. I don't expect some pro
features, for instance HTML, iOS,...

The cross platform tool I use for work every day costs 699$/yr and give me
a license I can keep using if I don't renew. It also gives me Web, iOS,
Windows, Mac and Linux. (32 and 64 bit). They have a single desktop version
for 99$/yr, a desktop target edition for 299$/yr, web for 299$/yr and iOS
for 299$/yr. That seems reasonable to me. Their tool is more mature than
LiveCode in my opinion, but as you can see does not support Android.

Since I love keeping up with platforms, I think it's important to also have
knowledge of Android, hence my support for LiveCode.

As you can see from my earlier description, this is not just empty talk.
Ive had a current license since 2007 and paid for quite a few things,
including the Kickstarter.

As a pro developer (but a hobby user of LiveCode) I know how important
income is to a company. 999$ is too much for what I use LiveCode for
though. I can't afford to pay that much/yr to support my hobby of learning
and keeping up with android. I can of course use the community version, but
I think that is a win for me and a loss for the company.

Just like you had  a hard time understanding me, I have a hard time
understanding why the company would not be interested in the money of the
hobby user. They don't have professional needs and don't require
professional support. It's good money for the company.

I responded earlier, because Robert had the same feelings as me. Livecode
is pushing away the hobby programmer. I find that sad.
I grew up with a ZX Spectrum (and just ordered the new Vega) and started as
a hobby programmer. We had enthousiasm and some of us grew into
professional programmers. Even in those days I paid for my tools.

I still hope that a niche can be created for the less demanding hobby
group. Not all of us want to feel like freeloaders.

And yes, I can donate, but a donation does not have the same feel as up to
date license.
I guess it all boils down to how I feel about it. You can't agrue with
feelings.
Unfortunately my feelings aren't worth 999$/yr.

I hope I expressed it a bit clearer now.
I'm actually surprised there have not been more hobby people to speak up
about this.

Kind regards,
Dirk Cleenwerck



On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Dirk Cleenwerck wrote:
>
> > Now the price of Indy will double to 999.
>
> Everything old is new again:  When I bought by MetaCard license it was
> $995 (and that was in 1998 dollars).
>
> I'd love it if the price were lower, but having been in the dev tools
> business myself I know it's a tough game:  smart people who demand a lot
> and for good reasons, but given the percentage of people in the gene pool
> inclined to find programming fun (and the subset of those who aren't, as we
> are, already so immersed in a language that switching to another is very
> difficult), the total addressable market isn't very large, at least not
> when compared to consumer software.
>
> If we were at a point more mature open source projects are, where we had a
> mix of giant corporate funders paying dev team salaries and a large pool of
> ongoing code contributions from the community, overhead would plummet and
> likely licensing fees along with it.
>
> But in the meantime we are where we are, and for commercial ventures the
> price still favorably compares with many alternatives, and is by far the
> smaller of many expenses needed to run a viable business.
>
>
> > The community version is nice and all, but you entirely miss the point
> > that you have hobby people that are willing to pay for a license, and
> > donations that don't give us anything are not an option either.
>
> I'm not sure I understand, esp. given:
>
> > PS: according to the GPL if the code is for your use only I don't
> > think you need to publish any source code at all. It's only when your
> > program is released externally that you need to release the source.
>
> That's true - as a distribution license, its terms apply only to works
> that are distributed.  And even then we're seeing an ever-growing number of
> projects choosing open source licenses in order to diversify and grow the
> code base to accommodate a wider range of use cases than the original
> developer could afford to support alone.
>
> Personally, I don't believe it's possible in the 21st century for any
> programming language to reach any sort of critical mass without being open
> source.  There are just too many FOSS alternatives; we haven't seen strong
> growth for proprietary languages since the '90s.  The very few that remain
> on the TIOBE list may be holding steady, but only for historical reasons
> unmatchable by any newcomer, and are not experiencing growth.
>
> 

Re: Players in HTML5 - ETA for Full Functionality?

[Dirk prive]

I think the lack of interest in supporting the hobby programmers will hurt
the company in the not too distant future. As a hobby user myself I have
paid for a license for a long long time. I have a founder account on
on-rev. I paid for several academies. I supported the kickstarter. Not to
long ago we moved to Indy. This changed is to a license that is no longer
ours to keep. The license is only ours as long as we keep paying. That was
already a massive step backwards if you ask me. Not so long ago there was
already a price rise which you could avoid if you paid a yearly amount up
front. Now the price of Indy will double to 999. Again you can avoid it if
you pay 499 up front. I'm sorry but I don't have that amount of money
laying aside for my hobby. I can afford small monthly fees, but not 499 in
one go. This means I'll have to revert to whatever the last version was
that we had a license for that you can keep. The community version is nice
and all, but you entirely miss the point that you have hobby people that
are willing to pay for a license, and donations that don't give us anything
are not an option either. Therefore the company misses out on the money
that hobby programmers used to pay. I can't afford 999/year, so I think
I'll be out if a solution is not available.

PS: according to the GPL if the code is for your use only I don't think you
need to publish any source code at all. It's only when your program is
released externally that you need to release the source.

Kind regards,
Dirk Cleenwerck.
On Feb 26, 2016 17:28, "Richard Gaskin"  wrote:

> Robert Mann wrote:
>
> >>> a revamped audio implementation that simply allows to use COMPRESSED
> >>> audio within stacks, and not be obliged to develop external
> >>> solutions (which I did, but is then trick y to use for products
> >>> because of the more complex installation and external libraries to
> >>> be installed, that some users do not like at all).
> >
> > So, Although I did support as a hobbyist live code for a long time
> > and spent quite a few euros to support, I will personally NOT spend
> > one more euro until that is actually DONE.
> >
> > (i understand it is somewhat done "obliged" in the iOs context, has
> > it been added meanwhile into macOS?? That would be bad news for my
> > purse..!!)
>
> OS X has gotten far more attention for media playback than any other
> platform, now using Apple's latest AV APIs.
>
> What do you want to do that's been difficult in v7 or v8?
>
>
> > And should you need more people to contribute financially, perhaps
> > you could review the new paradigm of yearly licensing and also give
> > a standard "old" ways of just holding to a version. i will just hold
> > on to my version 7.5 for my hobbits usage. And I would be as a
> > hobbyist willing to spend a few bucks every 3 years or so... but with
> > the yearly licensing scheme, it's just too expensive for just a
> > hobist and there is no security to be able to play on with new
> > acquired features.
>
> Good news: unless you have a commercial interest that requires a
> proprietary license, you can use the GPL-governed Community Edition. The
> GPL does require that your stack source be available, but unless you're
> running a commercial venture that's usually not prohibitive, and many
> prefer to share their source so the software can be enhanced by others.
>
> The benefits for your situation are two-fold:
>
> 1. LiveCode requires no payment for the Community Edition, so you can
> enjoy the latest version at no cost.
>
> 2. If you want to make a financial contribution to the project you can
> choose any amount on the Donation page:
> 
>
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Re: This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things

[Dirk prive]

I tend to stay quiet a lot, and prefer being silent on the side lines, but
I have noticed that there is a difference between what was expected from an
open sourced LiveCode and what is actually possible with the open source
version of LiveCode.
When people hear "open source", I think it is completely normal that they
expect to read the source, make adjustments, and give them back to the
project. This way the project can be improved by anyone that wants to help.
That's how open source works generally.
With LiveCode we apparently have binary stacks that can be edited, but the
changes can't be merged back into the project.
That completely goes against what you expect from an open source project.
When some people vent frustration over this, others on the list attack the
messenger for the message.
I think more work should be done to make this a true open source project.
That is my opinion, and I don't expect LiveCode to listen to me.
I do think that it is important for an open source project to listen to the
community (that's much bigger than me) though, and I feel that instead of
listening to the community, opposing voices seem to be either ignored, or
sometimes people even try to stifle the complaint/opposing opinion. Seems
to me to exactly the opposite of what you need in an open source community.
That aside, I don't even use the community version myself, preferring being
able to keep my source to myself for commercial projects. Not that I've
never open sourced things (if it is code that could be used by and be
helpful to others), but I tend to open source certain parts, but almost
never my whole project.

Just my two cents.
Dirk Cleenwerck



On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Mark Waddingham  wrote:

> On 2015-09-10 08:23, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Mark, "*flippant*" remarks often seem to hit nerves over at the
>> mother-ship, lest you haven't noticed.
>>
>
> There's a difference between 'flippant' remarks and...
>
> "Oh look what LiveCode have done now. How stupid is that. They obviously
> don't know what there doing. I know far better."
>
> Which is, to be frank, quite a frequent apparent subtext in a lot of your
> posts :)
>
> We could open a whole new thread about *intentionality* here . . .
>>
>
> And a whole new thread on ensuring that what you write actually comes
> across how you intend (indeed, I think this has come up on the list before).
>
> Mark.
>
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Re: New Indy License Pricing

[Dirk prive]

All I can say is to send feedback to Kevin.
I already did and they are listening.
Dirk cleenwerck.
On Jul 1, 2015 23:15, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote:

 I'm assuming some folks out there got the same email as me regarding the
 increase in Indy license pricing.

 From that email, it seems that the Community Edition will no longer have
 all the same features as the fee-based versions of Livecode.

 Comments?

 Pete
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Re: ShellShock - what are you doing?

[Dirk prive]

You can find a tester for it at
https://shellshocker.net/

Dirk Cleenwerck

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com
wrote:

 Watch the patches.  The white hats are discovering that many of them are
 incomplete.  I've seen at least two follow-up scripts that try to exploit
 the patches.

 You can always dump bash for another shell, and avoid the issue until it's
 fixed for realzies.

 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Richard Gaskin 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.com
 wrote:

  I've been spending the morning reading up on the recently-discovered
  Shell Shock vulnerability.
 
  Most of my Ubuntu machines were already patched, but it seems Apple
 hasn't
  issued a patch as of this writing.
 
  Anyone here heard any definitive word on when Apple will provide a patch,
  or when the second round of patches for other systems will become
 available?
 
  --
   Richard Gaskin
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Re: [OT] A Modern Typeface For Programmers

[Dirk prive]

I use this one:

https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Source+Code+Pro#charset

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 This font lets you customize the line spacing, among other things.  Look
 at the download page where you can set up several options, including
 customized character glyphs per font set.

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 Every other mono font I've tried wastes lots of space between
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Re: Installer Maker Spring Offer

[Dirk prive]

Thanks for reminding me. I almost forgot. Just ordered.

Have a nice day.


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 Hello,

 Today is the last day when you can take advantage of the Installer Maker
 Spring Offer. We are offering everyone who bought a license in the past a
 one-time opportunity to upgrade this license at the upgrade price of €
 16,95, even if your license has expired.


 Is your license over a year old? For a limited time, you can now upgrade
 your license to the latest version for only € 16,95 instead of the normal
 price of € 39,00. This offer is available until Wednesday 23rd April 2014.

 Installer Maker

 Installer Maker is a simple tool to create installers for Windows and Mac
 OS X. Installer Maker comes in two editions: a LiveCode plug-in and a
 standalone. The plug-in can be used with the commercial edition of LiveCode
 only, while the standalone version can be used in combination with any
 edition of LiveCode , Revolution and MetaCard, as well as RealStudio/Xojo,
 SuperCard, Prezi, HyperStudio etc.

 Upgrading

 Normally, licenses cost 39 euro with free updates during the first 3
 months after purchase. Upgrades are available for € 16,95 during one year
 after purchase. Just for one week, we allow everyone to upgrade his or her
 license at the discounted upgrade price.

 To get a new license, go to http://qery.us/49n (plug-in) or
 http://qery.us/49o (standalone) and enter your license key at the bottom
 of the page. The page will load again and if you scroll to the bottom of
 the page again, you will now be able to buy a new license at the discount
 price. From there, just follow PayPal's instructions. Shortly after
 purchase, you will first receive an auto-reply. Your license follows within
 24 hours.

 Why Upgrade?

 Perhaps you didn't upgrade in the past, because you were missing some
 essential features? Download the Read Me file from http://qery.us/49m(PDF) 
 and check out the history. You'll see that many features have been
 added during the past year. Go to http://qery.us/49n to download the
 plug-in or to http://qery.us/49o to download the standalone version.

 Did you use the plug-in edition with a commercial version of LiveCode and
 are you moving to the open-source edition? Then download the standalone
 version. You can always switch from the plug-in edition and back or use
 them combined.

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Re: Download LiveCode Server

[Dirk prive]

On the main page, click download in the menu.
Under commercial edition it gives a link that says View All LiveCode
Downloads
That link brings you to http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

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On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Richard Gaskin
ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote:

 Thank you, Neil.

 Where is that linked to from the main site?


  Hi Richard,
 
  You should be able to pick Community Server up from our main
  downloads page here-
 
  http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/


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Re: [OT] Haiku

[Dirk prive]

Ah, it's back. I guess they had a server outage then?
Several of their websites went down, which made it look like the project
had gone.

Dirk Cleenwerck


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote:

 I see nothing on that page which would indicate an end to the project?


 On 05.02.2014, at 09:07, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

  It seems that Haiku (a.k.a. BeOS rediviva) has bitten the dust:
 
  http://haiku-os.org/


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Re: [OT] Haiku

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Not completely.
https://dev.haiku-os.org/
https://github.com/haiku/haiku

But yes, it looks like another casualty. Sad. It booted my netbook in under
10 seconds, but I couldn't use it due to lack of up to date software.
I was hoping they could make it work. I guess losing Google's support for
the Summer of code, might have done them in.

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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:

 It seems that Haiku (a.k.a. BeOS rediviva) has bitten the dust:

 http://haiku-os.org/

 A greta pity.

 Richmond.

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Re: [OT] MIA

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Not knowing what to say, I can only pray.

Dirk Cleenwerck


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 Hi Folks

 I'm going to be off the reservation for a little while. For those that
 knew we had a baby due in a couple of weeks we lost her yesterday and I
 just need to focus on family for a while. If my friends here notice anyone
 getting upset about lack of communication from me/mergExt on the forums etc
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[OT] Deus Ex Machina 2

[Dirk prive]

Off Topic.

For those that are interested.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1552445321/deus-ex-machina-2

Remake of the 1984 classic. Deus Ex Machina was the first multimedia video
game. It has a separate tape with the soundtrack so you could play the
sound synchronized with the game-play.
It was a true classic.

The remake project is on kickstarter and under the lead of the person that
made the original game in 1984.

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test

[Dirk prive]

Just sending a msg to see if it actually gets delivered, since the previous
one seems to be missing in cyberspace.

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Re: Moaning

[Dirk prive]

Yeah, I don't tend to moan very often, since it doesn't tend to achieve
anything, but I'm sorta dissapointed as long time user of runrev and a
supporter on the kickstarter campaign that I have no idea what to expect
and when.

For my amount (150) the description was this:

£70 Reward Tier + 10 TEMPLATE APP GRAPHICS DESIGNS and a set of 50 GENERAL
PURPOSE APP ICONS, complete with original PSD Files + 1x EXTERNAL of your
choice from the MERGEXT COLLECTION + LIVECODE MOBILE DEVELOPMENT EBOOK by
Colin Holgate + Limited Edition POSTCARD from the Team AND a Limited
Edition LIVECODE EMBOSSED MOBILE PHONE SLEEVE Including FREE Worldwide
Shipping. Approx $240 USD

Estimated delivery: May 2013

The 70 one was

£33 Reward Tier + LiveCode FULL COMMERCIAL LICENSE - 3 MONTHS for ALL
Platforms! Use ANY TIME in 2013 to BUILD a CLOSED SOURCE app. Plus both NEW
ACADEMIES (eBook, Database/Cloud), VIP FORUM BADGE and YOUR NAME in the
LiveCode CREDITS. Approx $115 USD
Estimated delivery: May 2013

I received my three months license which I used to extend my current
license till sometime in 2015 I think.
I saw that I have access to some academies, but since I alreay had those
through actually signing up for them in the past, that doesn't say
anything. No idea if I'm to expect any new ones to show up.

I also have no idea when to expect the following item to be delivered:

   - the app graphics design and icons (with psd files)
   - my external of the mergext collection (I was sent a survey which i
   filled in with what I wanted, but haven't hear anything since then)
   - the ebook (which I already had, because I bought it previously)
   - the postcard and mobile phone sleeve.


Anyways, I'm not losing sleep over it, but I am dissapointed. I even mailed
them asking about the delivery of my 3 month license which they answered (
and which as I said, I have by now) and my mergext external, but didn't get
an answer about the latter one, so no idea when to expect that.

I'm dissapointed that we are not being informed in a better way.

Dirk Cleenwerck



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:

 http://livecode.com/about/**blog/ http://livecode.com/about/blog/

 Last posting was 28 March

 I'm moaning because I believe that those of us who contributed
 should be kept informed, and we are not being!

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Re: Vote for LiveCode - About.com Reader's Choice Best Mobile App Creator

[Dirk prive]

Done and now at 62%.

We also need to vote for LiveCode as best tool for app designers.
We're only at 16% there.

http://mobiledevices.about.com/library/rca2013/bl-best-app-designer-tools.htm

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 Done. LiveCode still at 57%

 Le 5 mars 2013 à 02:56, Peter W A Wood a écrit :

  LiveCode is a finalist in the About.com Reader Awards. Vote now, no
 registration required, just a valid email address.
 
 
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Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

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Dual license. See MySQL for an example of this. Free for everyone, but
needs commercial license for commercial use. No need for a seperate version
of the GPL, it's dual licensed.

PS: professionals are probably able to use it for free under GPL3 as well
as long as they release their source code under the GPL.

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 Dear Heather,

 This sound really, really interesting. Could you please explain how this
 would be free for everyone except professionals under GPL 3? AFAIK, open
 source means free (as in free speech) for everyone, including
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  We  are hugely excited to be launching this project today:
 
 
 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode
 
  Join our campaign to make a full version of LiveCode that is free and
 open for everybody to use. We are doing this via a Kickstarter fundraiser,
 and we need your help. If we are successful, between us we can change the
 face of programming forever.
 
  Open Source LiveCode means
 
  - Free access for teachers
  - Free access for students
  - Free access for hobbyists and enthusiasts
  - A headstart for professionals
 
  I know that many of you on this list will welcome this initiative, and
 the benefits it will bring. You have been long time users and supporters of
 LiveCode. Today we're asking you, especially, to get behind us once again.
 We are aiming to bring LiveCode to hundreds of thousands of new users,
 removing the price barrier and making easy access programming available to
 everyone.
 
  RunRev will be working in tandem with the community to guide and drive
 this project forward for many years to come. LiveCode will have a dual
 license system. Commercial licensing will still  be available allowing you
 to distribute closed source apps. Open Source LiveCode will be free under
 the GPL 3 license. You will be able to contribute back to the engine.
 Development on LiveCode and the addition of all the special features each
 of you wants becomes an order of magnitude faster.
 
  Visit our Kickstarter page to learn all about the project:
 
 
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  Please, if you want to see programming become the new literacy, get
 behind this project! Tell your friends, tell your family, tell your
 business associates, tell your distant acquaintances, shout it from the
 rooftops. Between us we can make this happen. We've got some great rewards
 for you too on Kickstarter, so everybody wins.
 
  Make your pledge today and help us to take LiveCode Open Source!
 
 
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