Re: We lost an Angle
Ralph, Sorry to hear your news. As someone who lost a spouse of 40 years, I have an idea of how tough it can be. When the grief overwhelms, as it surely can, please try to remember the time you had together, rather than time lost. > On Jan 10, 2024, at 5:54 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode > wrote: > > Many of you knew Margaret from the conferences. We lost her today. She spent > her life as a nurse in the oncology department. She gave her love and > empathy to all her patients. She was so full of life and gave it a gallant > try, but was not to be. We just celebrated our 40th anniversary in December. > > You all were so kind and welcoming to her. I thank you for that. > > > > Ralph DiMola > > IT Director > > Evergreen Information Services > > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Times ARE changing
Correct. Sorry. > On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:04 PM, doc hawk via use-livecode > wrote: > > I don’t think this went whereto meant :) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Red Dot Breakpoint Crashes
So, to be fixed in 9.0.6? > On Oct 25, 2019, at 6:53 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Nope my bad. Not fixed in 9.5 yet. > > Bob S ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: excessive bounces
I get this about once a week with AOL. Paul Looney > On Oct 29, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Jensen <je...@jhjensen.com> wrote: > > Maybe it is something to do with gmail. I don’t use gmail and didn’t get the > message. My email comes to me through Dreamhost. > .Jerry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Arrays vs databases
> On May 20, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com> wrote: > > If there were a way to "query" an array which returned another array with > matching keys, that would be okay. But I cannot search an array right now, so > as a database for finding information, it's not all that great. Oh sure, I > can write repeat loops to go through every single key to find the ones I > need, but I would have to write the logic for all that. Ick! Why not just use > a memory based database, or even an sqLite database? I just do not see the > point to using arrays as a database when there are single and multiuser > solutions all over the place. One answer is that, with “LSON”, you can do all of your work with LC and a text file db. There is no need to learn the (often arcane) syntax of a DBMS. Repeat loops in LC are often “fast enough”. This morning I was working on a project that has a database of over 6,000 records in a 15 MB file text file. This text file was already stored in RAM as an array. I wanted to retrieve some names from line 2 of a field (so it included a chunk expression). Here are the benchmark timings: Process times (in milliseconds) Get data from server: 78 Prep data, process chunks: 2 Build array for deleting duplicates: 2 Delete duplicates: 0 Sort list: 0 Load fields: 0 Total: 83 That is over 72,000 records per second. I’m using a five year old MacBook Pro (2.2 Ghz Sandybridge Core i7). And the code is not optimized. You will notice that three steps in the process were too fast to time with milliseconds. This speed is certainly sufficient for much work. Paul Looney BTW, My text file db is multiuser. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
GPL 3 vs Proprietary LiveCode
In another thread Richard Gaskin wrote: "And as a dual-licensed system, LiveCode lets us choose either GPL or other licenses depending on our goals for the project at hand.” How can you legally have a “dual-licensed system” that uses GPL 3 code, when the GNU General Public License Version 3 states specifically that it does not permit incorporating GPL programs into proprietary programs? Is not “Commercial”, which is approximately 95% “Community”, also subject to the terms of the GPL 3, and therefore open source? Sincerely, Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Death of the Application Browser
I personally use Geoff's Navigator all the time. I find it indispensable! I have never liked the Application Browser. I’m always surprised at how few people have even heard of the Navigator - let alone actually using it - despite the fact that it is bundled with LiveCode. Thanks again, Geoff. Paul Looney > On Nov 26, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Have you tried Navigator? It is a very simple list view, fairly quick, can > be made small and collapses down even smaller, and allows for multiple > instances so you can see/work with many separate stacks at the same time. > > I only kinda sorta support it though, so your mileage may vary. The version > included with LC is nowhere near up to date. I can send you a more recent > one if you like. Also, I haven't updated Navigator at all for LC 8, so I > don't know at all how well it handles the new LCB controls. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [ANN] Text-file DBs
Kay, I do mention the different ways different OSes handle the CR/LF/CRLF. Going further than that is definitely beyond the scope of the work - and, to be honest, beyond my ability. I can see where Unicode (non-ASCII characters) would be important to users of non-Roman languages (BTW, one of my favorite professors was James Heisig, SVD who wrote the series of books “Remembering Kanji”, volumes 1 to 3). I firmly believe that a database should contain as little “formatting" as possible - its purpose is to contain “data”. For our very much “Western”/“Roman” data we need nothing beyond ASCII - with only three formatting characters. There is no intrinsic reason that a text-file could not support Unicode data - but, for our use, that would make it much larger: slower to open, slower to search, slower to save, slower to copy, etc. I will release the current work under a Creative Commons license - so wiser and more knowledgeable people can edit and add to it. Your suggestion would be a nice addition. Chapter XVIII in the current work will be “Using Sockets to communicate with Text Files”. Paul Looney > On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Paul Looney <simpl...@aol.com> wrote: > >> >> Here are the chapters (let me know if I missed something, I almost forgot >> to have a chapter on CSV - a subject about which I have strong feelings): >> >> Paul, > > I don't wish to 'add the straw' on what clearly is a very large > undertaking, but from a recent thread here I would suggest a topic on > unicode and char sets. For anyone new to DBs, not just LC + DBs, > understanding what char set an old DB is using, or what char set to create > a new DB in and how to handle all the situations in between is a hurdle > that has to be crossed particularly if their intended stack is to be > cross-platform. Maybe: > > XVIII. Handling Cross-Platform and non-ASCII characters > > Good luck and look forward to it's completion. > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [ANN] Text-file DBs
David, Sri, Robert, Bruce, Matt, Sorry you can’t come tonight. I understand that little "distance problem”. The presentation will not be recorded. It is hard enough preparing all of the material without spending a couple days deciding what to wear. ;-) I have been working on a small book (originally 12 pages, now over 80 pages and growing) tentatively titled “Accelerated Data Processing with LiveCode” - based on my 30+ years experience with data processing and decade with Revolution/Rev/LiveCode. There are still two chapters to finish. The last of these is on Text File DBs. I hope to finish it by the end of the year. It will be released under the Creative Commons license and free for downloading. Here are the chapters (let me know if I missed something, I almost forgot to have a chapter on CSV - a subject about which I have strong feelings): I. Have the computer time the process II.Indicate that the process is still in process III. Lock Screen - or don’t IV. Lock Messages - or don’t V.Move data to be processed from fields to variables VI. Fields, Variables, and Custom Properties VII. Filter data before other processing VIII. Calculate fixed variables once per repeat loop IX. Use “Put” instead of “Get and Put” where appropriate X.Use multiple single filters - not compound filters XI. Use “Repeat for…” instead of “Repeat with i = …” XII. Sorts: “forwards”, “backwards”, & “sideways” XIII. Choosing Delimiters (CSV must die!) XIV. A word about Arrays, Keys, and Record IDs XV. Cards, Relational Databases, and Text Files XVI. “SQL” & Relational Databases XVII. Using “Text File” Databases Each chapter has many code samples. The Text File chapter will show, step by step, how to create the text file, itself - with code samples for both the server and the clients. I’ve been working on that chapter for a month but still don’t know how big it will be - other than “as big as it needs to be” - there is no publisher dictating chapter or book length. I appreciate your interest. Paul Looney > On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:12 AM, David Bovill <david@viral.academy> wrote: > > Paul I'd love to see the presentation - would be great if you could record > it or we could arrange to do it as an online session with people from the > list? > > On 3 November 2015 at 05:02, Paul Looney <simpl...@aol.com> wrote: > >> This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on >> Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered >> whether there is some data processing option between the limits of >> card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I will >> show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management system - >> entirely in LiveCode. >> >> The monthly meeting <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50=25476> >> is held at Dupar’s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great. >> >> Paul Looney >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [ANN] Text-file DBs
Alejandro, No, we do not use SDB. We looked at it a decade ago and decided to go a different route. Paul Looney > On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Alejandro Tejada <capellan2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Paul > > After reading your post, I just remember Serendipity Library: > http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2002-September/007745.html > > Do you used this library released by Rob Cozens? > > Al > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Text-file-DBs-tp4698379p4698515.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
[ANN] Text-file DBs
This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered whether there is some data processing option between the limits of card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I will show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management system - entirely in LiveCode. The monthly meeting <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50=25476> is held at Dupar’s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [ANN]SoCal LiveCode Meeting, Sept 3
Richard, Will we be discussing Clarence’s database speed improvements? Do you have a long VGA to VGA cable for the conference room monitor? Paul Looney > On Aug 29, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassa...@fourthworld.com> > wrote: > > The next meeting of the SoCal LiveCode User Group is coming up on > Thursday, Sept 3 in Pasadena at 7PM. > > IMPORTANT: The meeting is being held at our new location, Du-par's > Restaurant, on S. Lake Avenue near Cordova Street: > > Du-par's Pasadena, back room > 214 S. Lake Ave. > Pasadena, CA 91101 > <http://www.du-pars.com/dupars_locations.html> > > > Meeting details in the forum: > <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50=25188> > > Trevor DeVore will be joining us that evening, so it should be an especially > good time. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > > ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Jane Austen's peculiarity
Richmond, The key here is the “if” - which creates a conditional clause - which requires the past plural of the verb (in this case “were”). This is similar to the “wenn clause in German (Deutsch) and the “ut” clause in Latin. If I were able, I’d thank you in person for mentioning this. Paul Looney On Aug 8, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Jane Austen [amongst others] uses an interesting type of grammatical construction of this sort: After breakfast, the girls walked to Meryton to inquire if Mr. Wickham _were returned_, and to lament over his absence from the Netherfield ball. Pride and Prejudice. I would like to analyse a million word corpus that I have been granted access to for this type of construction. However, I don't want to find examples of only 'were returned', but all examples of were + infinitive / preterite / past participle and, presumably for that I shall have to use wildcards . . . OR ??? Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Jane Austen's peculiarity
In your last example: Mr. Rushworth _was returned_” “was returned” (singular, past tense, passive) is correct (although a simple “returned” would have been more powerful). There is no conditional, no “if”; as in your first example: to inquire if Mr. Wickham_were returned_, Haven’t had this much fun with the language in a long time… On Aug 8, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/08/15 22:56, Paul Looney wrote: Richmond, The key here is the “if” - which creates a conditional clause - which requires the past plural of the verb (in this case “were”). This is similar to the “wenn clause in German (Deutsch) and the “ut” clause in Latin. If I were able, I’d thank you in person for mentioning this. Paul Looney I'm not sure anent that: He had been visiting a friend in the neighbouring county, and that friend having recently had his grounds laid out by an improver, Mr. Rushworth _was returned_ with his head full of the subject, and very eager to be improving his own place in the same way; and though not saying much to the purpose, could talk of nothing else. Jane Austen, Mansfield Park Richmond. On Aug 8, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Jane Austen [amongst others] uses an interesting type of grammatical construction of this sort: After breakfast, the girls walked to Meryton to inquire if Mr. Wickham _were returned_, and to lament over his absence from the Netherfield ball. Pride and Prejudice. I would like to analyse a million word corpus that I have been granted access to for this type of construction. However, I don't want to find examples of only 'were returned', but all examples of were + infinitive / preterite / past participle and, presumably for that I shall have to use wildcards . . . OR ??? Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6.5
666 is a number associated with Nero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast It appears throughout the book of Revelation - which was probably written during his reign. Paul Looney On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:31 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 10/22/2014, 11:34 AM, Roger Eller wrote: The stage has also been set for a nice 6.6.6 release on October 31st (if it is in the cards). http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/666.htm -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Apps on Flash Drive Advice
On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:34 PM, Terry Judd terry.j...@unimelb.edu.au wrote: Make sure that you are using a quality USB stick as well. Some cheap and nasty ones can be awfully slow. Terry... A good USB 3 flash drive will help eliminate some of the speed penalty with flash vs a hard drive. Prices have come down a lot over the last year. (Assumes the computer has USB 3, of course.) Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
31 - the maximum number of days in month. On Jul 3, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: What would seem a reasonable upper limit to English-like spelled numbers? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Number of days between 2 dates
JBV, One of the date issue you run into on OS X is that it has 23 hour and 25 hour days - when going from or to standard time. Here is a solution I've been using for many years: function ahsm_DaysBetweenDates firstDate,secondDate # Calculates the days elapsed between two dates, entered in any order. # Use abs in case the first date is later than the second. # Use round numberFormat #. in case there is a fraction # created dividing 86400 into the non-24 hr days # beginning or ending Daylight Savings Time. # Add 1 to the date to include both the first and second date, # (if they are the same, it is one day reviewed - not zero days). set the useSystemDate to true -- for international dates --convert firstDate to seconds -- did not work with non-US dates convert firstDate from abbr date to seconds --convert secondDate to seconds convert secondDate from abbr date to seconds put abs (firstDate - secondDate) into vLapsedSeconds set numberFormat to #. put round ((vLapsedSeconds/86400)) + 1 into vDays return vDays end ahsm_DaysBetweenDates Paul Looney On Apr 16, 2014, at 9:25 AM, j...@souslelogo.com wrote: Hi list, I need to calculate the number of days between any date and january 1st of the same year. So I tried this : put 1/31/14 0:00 AM into tdate convert tdate to long seconds put 1/1/14 0:00 AM into date0 convert date0 to long seconds put (tdate - date0)/86400 which seems to work and returns an integer. When I try this as 1st line of my script : put 3/30/14 0:00 AM into tdate it still works (returns 88). And suddenly, the following : put 3/31/14 0:00 AM into tdate returns 88.958333 Any idea ? Thanks, jbv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] MIA
Monte, I can't begin to imagine how painful this must be for you. You have my best wishes. PL On Jan 20, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: Hi Folks I'm going to be off the reservation for a little while. For those that knew we had a baby due in a couple of weeks we lost her yesterday and I just need to focus on family for a while. If my friends here notice anyone getting upset about lack of communication from me/mergExt on the forums etc could you please let people know I'll be back when life settles down a bit. Thanks Monte -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Intel debuts SD card-sized computer
Looks like Intel really is getting serious about power consumption! Paul Looney On Jan 8, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Since Graham's hungry for posts here, this one may be off-topic but it's pretty exciting for all of us who love the prospect of running LC on tiny gadgets: Move over, Raspberry Pi: Intel debuts SD card-sized computer http://bgr.com/2014/01/07/intel-edison-sd-card-computer/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] web training video delivery - how do YOU do it?
On Oct 8, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Phil Davis wrote: I would greatly appreciate any insight you can share from your experience. Phil, I'll let the wiser people on this list comment on the technical aspects of your question. My experience is that it is better to make a good product for a smaller market rather than a marginal product for a larger market. If your product is good, word will spread. And your market will grow. If your product is compromised, for whatever reason (even if it is not directly related to your product - like the browser on which it is used), that word will also spread. And you will be fighting that reputation with every new sale you attempt. *** A related question: if your potential buyers will not invest in a contemporary browser (which offers them many benefits for a minimal cost), why do you believe they will spend their money on your training system? Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: focus on nothing not resulting in closefield
Another alternative to closeField is textChanged. Trap for that and any change in the field will trigger you handler. Paul Looney On Sep 21, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I whacked this bug a long time ago, and then apparently worked on a prior version instead of the updated version . . . When a user clicks on something to go to another record, closeField does not get sent to the selectedField, and any changes are lost. I've tried solving this with a focus on nothing, but that doesn't provoke the closeField message. Shouldn't it? Is there anything other than sending a tabKey to the selectedField that works? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Uncommenting a script
Dan, It has always worked on all of my Macs; Apple keyboards and a pair of Unicomp Model Ms. This is probably too obvious but: the lines to be uncommented need to be selected. Paul Looney On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: Hello... On a mac, I use command-dash to comment a script. The Edit menu shows command-underscore as the method to uncomment a script from the keyboard. But, command-shift-dash doesn't do anything. How do you uncomment a commented script in the script editor from your keyboard? Thanks! -Dan ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with minimizing under OS X?
Richard, I have not experienced it, nor have my customers reported it - all OS X - various versions. Note: I seldom minimize and I don't know how often my customers do so. Paul Looney On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I have a report from one of my testers of the app's main window not being able to be restored when clicking on its icon in the Dock after having been minimized. I've been unable to reproduce this. I believe the user's system is OS X Mountain Lion (though I don't know for sure; awaiting details). Any of you ever seen anything like that? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Memory usage
This is a situation where using an SSD instead of an HD can make a world of difference. Swaps into and out of an SSD take about a tenth the time. Paul Looney On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: Can I safely assume that if I load a whole bunch of stacks into RAM, that virtual memory will take care of memory usage for me? Yes, but with two caveats: 1. Swap space is limited, and the OS uses it a lot. In most cases it'll do what you need, but it's possible to meet limits. 2. Swap space is slow. If the foreground app dips into swap space the user will encounter a noticeable performance hit. At best, things will momentarily hang; at worst, it'll hang long enough to invoke the spinning beach back for a few seconds until the swap is done. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Memory usage
If Jacque's program is too big to work with 8 G of RAM, an SSD should be a trivial expense to run it properly. How big IS it? PL On Jul 3, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Paul Looney wrote: This is a situation where using an SSD instead of an HD can make a world of difference. Swaps into and out of an SSD take about a tenth the time. True enough. My first-gen Core i3-powered Dell boots Ubuntu 13.04 in about 9 seconds since I replaced the drive with an SSD. But I'm not sure if Jacque's client is in a position to bundle an SSD with the software. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Memory usage
Jacque, For as long as I can remember, the developer has been able to specify the OS Version, the amount of RAM, and the amount of disk space required for a program. If the program really requires 16 G of RAM or an SSD, the developer should specify that as well. Small SSDs (60 G) are less than $100 today - it once cost more than that to add enough RAM for high-end programs. PL On Jul 3, 2013, at 10:46 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 7/3/13 12:01 PM, Paul Looney wrote: This is a situation where using an SSD instead of an HD can make a world of difference. Swaps into and out of an SSD take about a tenth the time. Paul Looney A commercial desktop app doesn't have any control over that, unfortunately. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: One Year Free
On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Richmond wrote: But, maybe, just maybe, the idea of getting a year's use of Livecode for 500 bucks ... is a load of nonsense, and maybe, just maybe, end-users would be prepared to stump up 500 bucks (or somesuch) for a version that did not expire but had not upgrades built in, instead. Yes! One year of upgrades - but the version does not expire - ever. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: One Year Free
On Jun 20, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Richmond wrote: On 06/20/2013 09:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote: On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Richmond wrote: But, maybe, just maybe, the idea of getting a year's use of Livecode for 500 bucks ... is a load of nonsense, and maybe, just maybe, end-users would be prepared to stump up 500 bucks (or somesuch) for a version that did not expire but had not upgrades built in, instead. Yes! One year of upgrades - but the version does not expire - ever. OK: I am extremely happy to find that I am wrong in this case. Richmond. I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm saying how I think it should be. Glad you brought up the point; I agree that RunRev is doing themselves a disservice with the new policy. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Out of Albuquerque
On May 18, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: Can't fly (health), and can't drive too awful far Mike, Have you tried the Southwest Chief? Los Angeles to Chicago, with stops in Albuquerque both ways. Beautiful scenery each direction. Better than flying or driving! Done both. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sauce Bottle
Maybe: LiveCode Free LiveCode Commercial LiveCode Enterprise Paul Looney On Mar 3, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Roger Eller wrote: LiveCode OpenSource Edition LiveCode Free Edition LiveCode Kickstarted Edition LiveCode Education Edition LiveCode My Edition LiveCode Sauce Bottle Edition On Mar 3, 2013 5:26 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: And it would be too similar, at a glance, to LiveCode Commercial Edition. On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the community edition of LiveCode is called LiveCode Community Edition. Is that official? And does what is a bit of a mouthful have an abbreviated form? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sauce Bottle
Roger, Thank you (my company's name is Simple Solutions). I like using Free instead of Community because free is one of the top best selling words. It is also shorter. I think LiveCode should always be the first word - and I agree that it should be used in all versions. I miss the old days when we had MetaCard and Transcript - different names for the RAD and the language. LiveCode Code doesn't cut it for me. Paul Looney On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Roger Eller wrote: Simple. Professional. Like! Sent from my Pipo M2 On Mar 3, 2013 8:10 PM, Paul Looney simpl...@aol.com wrote: Maybe: LiveCode Free LiveCode Commercial LiveCode Enterprise Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Richards talk seems to have gone down well
Congratulations and good work, Richard. Paul Looney On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: @jonobacon: Watching @FourthWorldSys speak about LiveCode at Ubucon. Looks interesting. :-) #ubuntu -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending an email on Windows 8
HP tried touch screens decades ago (in the '80s). Finger prints were a major problem - and I don't believe that problem has gone away. It is one thing to wipe a phone or tablet on you sleeve vs cleaning a large monitor. Paul Looney On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: Bob, Is your judgement because you have sat down with a Windows 8 touch screen computer for an hour? I'm curious because I'm very interested in buying a small Window 8 laptop (11 screen). I've only played on it for perhaps 10 minutes in the store but I didn't really notice any problems using the touchscreen side of things. I found myself much preferring to touch the screen than use the mousepad. Then again, I was mostly in a web browser not a real desktop app. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Robert Sneidar slylab...@me.com wrote: I'm going to venture an educated guess. From all I have heard, Win8 is really optimized for touch interfaces. While you CAN use it on a desktop system, there do not seem to be any compelling reasons for doing so, over Win7. Steve Jobs had it right. Use a touch based OS on a desktop for just an hour, and you will see why point and click is the way to go on these systems. Desktop apps that need lots of screen real estate or need a lot of processing power flourish on large monitor point and click systems, but flounder on touch interfaces. Not all apps need the screen real estate or use a lot of resources. These do well on tablet touch systems. I do not think tablet/touch OSes are replacing desktop systems. I think that the process is more like a re-calibration of the equilibrium between what most people have needed all along, a simple tablet touch OS, and professional systems that need the power and screen real estate to function well. Just my 2¢ Bob On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Mark Stuart wrote: Wow! I guess no one is using Windows 8. - Regards, Mark Stuart ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
DB Lib
On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:47 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Paul, I am ready to give away a copy of DB Lib to be raffled during the LUG meeting. DB Lib (SQL, active record style) and its add-on Data Storage Lib (NoSQL, built on top of DB Lib and included with every DB Lib purchase) are new database libraries for LiveCode. You can learn more at http://www.andregarzia.com/page/dblib PS: Is raffled a verb?! cheers andre Andre, Thank you again for your kind offer. John Burtt won your DB Lib at our November meeting but left before I got his information: jbu...@earthlink.net The two of you can work out the transfer details directly. Paul Looney PS Yes raffled IS a verb. PPS FYI: Your command of the English language has gotten very good. I remember that you struggled with it a bit many years ago when we first met and now you are a master. Congratulations - from someone who majored in English in college. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
[Reminder] SoCal LUG Thursday
LiveCode Users, The December Southern California LiveCode User Group meeting will be held this Thursday at 7:00 PM. Directions and additional information: http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=50 For this meeting we ask all attendees to bring one Tip, Trick, or Trap learned from using LiveCode. There will be a brief demonstration of the SS C/S database and lots of time for conversation. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
{ANN} SoCal LUG Meeting - Insights DBs
The December meeting of the Southern California LiveCode Users' Group will be held on Thursday, Dec 6th, at 7:00 PM, at the Burger Continental in Pasadena. All LiveCode Programmers are welcomed. As discussed last month, the theme of this meeting is Tips, Tricks, and Traps - brief presentations of unique things you've learned programming LiveCode. There will be the requested encore presentation of the SS Client/Server system shown last week. SS C/S is a database architecture built and maintained entirely with LiveCode (no SQL, no No SQL). Last month we set up a new server and two clients in less than six minutes. This time we will build an entire, multiuser database in less than? Send an email to me if you have questions or need directions. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [ANN] SoCal LUG Meeting - Databases
Andre, Thank you for your gracious offer. I'll hold the raffle at the meeting and let you know the winner - unless you'd like to handle it some other way. (BTW, raffle and raffled are both valid verbs: I raffle something now. I raffled something yesterday. -- sorry, former English teacher, got carried away.) Second BTW, the database I'll be demoing Thursday is multi-user (with file-locking and record-locking). Wish you could be there! I'm sure you would enjoy the meeting. Paul Looney On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:47 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Paul, I am ready to give away a copy of DB Lib to be raffled during the LUG meeting. DB Lib (SQL, active record style) and its add-on Data Storage Lib (NoSQL, built on top of DB Lib and included with every DB Lib purchase) are new database libraries for LiveCode. You can learn more at http://www.andregarzia.com/page/dblib PS: Is raffled a verb?! cheers andre On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Paul Looney simpl...@aol.com wrote: LiveCode Users, The Southern California LiveCode Users Group (SoCal LUG) November Meeting will be held this Thursday, Nov. 1st. at 7:00 PM, at the Burger Continental in Pasadena. This month's topic is databases. We will have DB creators and DB users attending. I will be demonstrating a multi-user, client/server database built entirely with LiveCode (no SQL, no No-SQL). The demonstration will include the related List Maker and Report Maker. Not interested in databases? No problem. Our meetings are usually wide-ranging. Any topic relating to LiveCode is welcome. We love trouble-shooting. We also talk a lot about trains?!? Please mark your calendar. Hope to see you there. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
[ANN] SoCal LUG Meeting - Databases
LiveCode Users, The Southern California LiveCode Users Group (SoCal LUG) November Meeting will be held this Thursday, Nov. 1st. at 7:00 PM, at the Burger Continental in Pasadena. This month's topic is databases. We will have DB creators and DB users attending. I will be demonstrating a multi-user, client/server database built entirely with LiveCode (no SQL, no No-SQL). The demonstration will include the related List Maker and Report Maker. Not interested in databases? No problem. Our meetings are usually wide-ranging. Any topic relating to LiveCode is welcome. We love trouble-shooting. We also talk a lot about trains?!? Please mark your calendar. Hope to see you there. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [ANN] SoCal LUG Meeting - Databases
Great! I know you are usually early, I plan to be as well, PL On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote: I'll be there. I can talk about lcTaskList the LiveCode IDE plugin and the process of getting it into the LiveCode Marketplace. Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. lcTaskList: (http://www.infowallet.com/lctasklist/index.htm) RunRev lcTaskList Forum: (http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=61) On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Paul Looney simpl...@aol.com wrote: LiveCode Users, The Southern California LiveCode Users Group (SoCal LUG) November Meeting will be held this Thursday, Nov. 1st. at 7:00 PM, at the Burger Continental in Pasadena. This month's topic is databases. We will have DB creators and DB users attending. I will be demonstrating a multi-user, client/server database built entirely with LiveCode (no SQL, no No-SQL). The demonstration will include the related List Maker and Report Maker. Not interested in databases? No problem. Our meetings are usually wide-ranging. Any topic relating to LiveCode is welcome. We love trouble-shooting. We also talk a lot about trains?!? Please mark your calendar. Hope to see you there. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks
If the stack is tall and the dock is located at the bottom of the screen, the bottom of the stack will be cut off - even if the dock is hidden. Paul Looney On Jun 7, 2012, at 7:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: william humphrey wrote: the MaxHeight is only available when the stack is resizable. The property still exists and can affect rendered size - what is its value? I have the stack set to no-resize so I was surprised when my laptops 15 inch monitor, the same one that ran fine before upgrade to Lion, now cuts the stack down to a smaller size even though the original size fit fine on the monitor. 15 monitors come in a wide range of resolutions. What is the resolution of your monitor, and what was the original height of the stack? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: SoCal User Group meeting Thursday
Chris, Are you getting these invites? PL On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Just a reminder for those in SoCal that the next LiveCode user group meeting will be in Pasadena on Thursday, June 7 - details here: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=50t=11875 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Upgrade to Lion
On May 31, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: ... By the end the day my wife will have 10-15 apps running, so when I go to start her computer in the morning to have another play with Lion it takes forever to get all those apps back up and running and all those windows in place. My old IIci running 7.6.1 starts faster! ... :-( Obviously Apple is thinking ahead to the day when all of the Macs will have SSDs. Can you sleep the computer instead of shutting it down? The wake from sleep with Lion is instantaneous - as it was with Snow Leopard. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Upgrade to Lion
Stephen, Jacque, You kids and your new toys! My daily driver is an 1984 MB 300D - with 514,000 miles (830,000 k). Runs fine, a joy to drive. Would not hesitate to take it again to Maine, or Florida, or British Columbia, or Iowa or... any of the other places it's been. I AM (proudly) old and I don't change much (wear 40 year old shoes, live in a 102 year old house, been married for almost 40 years to the same person (in California!) but... I like Lion. I put it on a partition with Snow Leopard on the other partition. After about a month, I never went back to SN. When I installed Lion I decided to try using the default settings. It was a major adjustment - but it worked and I'm glade I made that commitment. The two most difficult changes for me were: 1. the reverse scrolling and 2. the auto-saving Re: #1 I'm with Francois on this. I started with Mac OS on a pre-release 128 k (yes, k) back in 1983. At the time, the scrolling seemed to be backwards - but I got used to it. The Lion scrolling transition was more difficult because I have two 17 laptops on my desk, one with Tiger and the other with Lion. And they now scroll opposite directions. Wish I could change the Tiger computer. Re: #2 I love it! One of the things I liked about HyperCard. One of the aggravations about LiveCode - sometimes autosaves (changing color, repositioning, etc.) and other times does not. I'd much rather re-enter something after changing my mind than lose something because I forgot to save. But maybe I'm just more absent-minded than others. Which reminds me, I like TimeMachine, too. As for Apple: I've been using their products for almost three decades. They don't listen to me. Never have. It's annoying. But Apple doesn't look back, or sideways. They decide where to go, and go there; past be damned. I understand they have a quote from Henry Ford in the lobby If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses. Look at all the care Microsoft took to make their tablet attempts compatible with their Windows desktop OS. Very considerate. 15 years of crappy tablets. Apple ignored their competition, customers, current products - and we have the iPad. I try not to judge things by whether they are different but by whether they are better. For my use Lion is the best OS I've had on a computer. Paul Looney On May 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, stephen barncard wrote: I've got you beat on that Jacque, my 1988 stick Volvo station wagon is still my favorite car, even though I inherited a 2005 Prius. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:52 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 5/29/12 2:22 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: I merely tried to use an analogy that people get set in their ways, especially the longer they have been using something. I hope I haven't offended any Hot Rodders, as that was not my intent either. I'm an old hot-rodder. I kept my 17-year-old car until a few months ago because I wasn't willing to give up my manual transmission. I'm getting used to being old. Sort of. Now I'm waiting for respect for the aged to kick in. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
lcTaskList Performance
Bill, I've been following the RunRev list comments about lcTaskList speed. For what it is worth 1. I have 46 large stacks open on my desktop (just for testing, I don't work this way) 2. Some of these are substacks, most are main stacks 3. I have two large, 2000+ lines, stack scripts open in the Script Editor 4. The largest stack has 510 fields and 282 buttons 5. The largest stack script is 2327 lines of code 6. I'm guessing that, in open plugins, substacks, btns and flds, there are over 100,000 lines 7. I'm testing with and without the script editor open and the message box displayed 8. The TaskList is correctly displaying 23 FIXMEs Updating the TaskList is almost instantaneous - too fast to time - certainly less than 2 seconds. Could not ask for better! MacBook Pro, 2.2 GHz Core i7, 4 GB 1333 Mhz DD3, OS X 10.7.4 Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: lcTaskList Performance
Peter, Suppose there was a database built with LiveCode, that required no SQL, that worked with your data, that made your data multi-user, that provided encryption for the network, that ran really fast, that let you tweak your data and interface as you wished? Would this interest you? Paul Looney On May 24, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote: On May 24, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Paul Looney wrote: Bill, I've been following the RunRev list comments about lcTaskList speed. For what it is worth 1. I have 46 large stacks open on my desktop (just for testing, I don't work this way) 2. Some of these are substacks, most are main stacks 3. I have two large, 2000+ lines, stack scripts open in the Script Editor 4. The largest stack has 510 fields and 282 buttons 5. The largest stack script is 2327 lines of code 6. I'm guessing that, in open plugins, substacks, btns and flds, there are over 100,000 lines 7. I'm testing with and without the script editor open and the message box displayed 8. The TaskList is correctly displaying 23 FIXMEs Updating the TaskList is almost instantaneous - too fast to time - certainly less than 2 seconds. Could not ask for better! MacBook Pro, 2.2 GHz Core i7, 4 GB 1333 Mhz DD3, OS X 10.7.4 I'm guessing that the reason for the discrepancy between your case and mine is that my main stack has 700+ cards, so Bill's plugin has to search over 200 controls on 700+ cards to index the scripts, plus the 44 other stacks. I know, I shouldn't be storing data in individual cards, I know My stack system, Psychopharmica, is the way it is because I started the whole thing over 20 years ago in Hypercard and had a card for every patient, and I continued that model through my RunRev/LiveCode transition, not appreciating the importance of separating data from GUI. I have continued this antiquated structure for several reasons: my customized search routines depend heavily on HC/LC's find and mark commands, which are blindingly fast, and to try to duplicate even some of the functionality using database searches would be prohibitively labor intensive -- I really don't have the time to learn SQL commands given that I already have three half-time jobs. Not to mention all the other wrinkles I would have to iron out to change to a database-centered system. I know I have painted myself into a corner here, but my system has worked so well up to now and is so complex that making the paradigm shift is overwhelming. Plus there is an even more compelling reason for not putting energy into the necessary changes. If I were in a position to devote more time to it and it had a future that could be ported into a commercial venture, I'd tackle the job, but everyone in the medical field is moving towards electronic medical records and my system was designed from the beginning to print hard copy paper notes for a paper chart. To move this thing into an electronic medical record system would require me to learn networking and encryption along with the database management (not to mention developing an intimate familiarity with the HIPPA laws regarding medical confidentiality). I am essentially just a (pretty experienced) LC hobbyist with another profession that I have used LC to support, not a real IT person. I'm not prepared to create an entire EMR system single-handedly. So the end of the usefulness of Psychopharmica is heaving into sight. My group practice is about to adopt an EMR system this summer, so I will not be able to use my own customized LC system any more. I am not looking forward to having to use a piece of software that I can't tweak at will to make it do exactly what I want it to, and I'm preparing myself for daily cursing as I use the new software. (The two other psychiatrists in the practice that use Psychopharmica are also feeling bleak -- they appreciate how nicely this software is attuned to the actual workflow of a busy practice, and it's about to die.) Sorry for the long, tangential, and somewhat bitter aside -- I didn't start out this post thinking that I'd write all this. I guess I'm in mourning already and needed to vent. It's been 20 years now that I've been spoiled by having a truly perfect tool -- one that evolved with my needs, not someone else's. Now it's time to say goodbye. ;-( -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Forwarded from Grandpa L
Amber, This was on one of the lists I follow. Bob Earp is a fellow programmer who lives in British Columbia. I've met him several times and he seems like a sharp fellow. You might be interested in the link he provided: www.khanacademy.org Grandpa On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Bob Earp wrote: For those technology in the classroom nay-sayers on the list, and everybody else for that matter who has not taken a look at the success schools and individuals are having with Salman Khan's model, go take a look first at http://youtu.be/gM95HHI4gLk Then explore www.khanacademy.org where there is literally thousands of educational snippets from the basics of math to such obtuse things as Apsidal Precession (Perihelion Precession) and Milankovitch Cycles, all for free. What's more, there is a built-in self paced educational model that seems to be having great success through all ages, but especially K - 12. As proof of success, in the last two days I have had grandchildren call and boast how they can do things that they have not been taught in the classroom yet, and their parent report that they are coming home and studying these things persistently and without encouragement. Seem like teachers are finally getting a break to spend time teaching, or rather managing teaching, to the individual level rather than the mean. I'm sold !! best, Bob... Bob Earp White Rock, British Columbia. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Forbidden data in a Data Grid?
Are there characters that prevent a Data Grid from displaying? We have Data Grid in the UI front end to a database. For years it has worked well with databases for many different customers. Recently the data from one customer would not display. Stepping through the code, all was well until the end - setting the dgtext of the data grid. The scroll bars resized properly. The number or records listed was right. Clicking on a line in the Data Grid opened the record viewer. But no data was displayed in the Data Grid fields. The same grid continued to work with data from other customers. That customer's data was visible in other grids. It is just that this one grid will not display data from this one account. We already strip out NULLs (from our experience with sorting problems) but are there other characters that would cause a Data Grid to not display data? Or should we look elsewhere? Thanks in advance, Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Forbidden data in a Data Grid?
Mark, There should be no unicode. Is there an easy way to test? Paul Looney On Jan 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Is it possible that the database contains unicode text? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Forbidden data in a Data Grid?
Bob, Thank you. That was very helpful. The only key that had data was the record ID - explains why clicking on a line still opened the record viewer but nothing else was visible. Looking deeper. PL On Jan 25, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: put the dgData of group your data grid here into theDataA put printKeys(theDataA) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: SoCal LUG meeting: Wind advisory
Richard, I live about 30 miles east of Pasadena. Sometime last night the city of San Dimas decided to run a wind-chime test. Every wind-chime in the city went off at once - and continued ringing for hours. This morning that sound was replace by sirens and chain saws. We have a heavy, industrial-style gate at the back entrance to the property. The wind blew it off the track and broke some of the welds. The wind also thinned the trees, swept the lawn and did other miscellaneous mischief. The winds here were estimated at approximately 75 mph (121 kph). Tonight promises more fun. Paul Looney On Dec 1, 2011, at 7:30 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: An unusual weather pattern unlike anything I've seen in my life as a native Californian brought us winds that were literally like a dry hurricane. On the Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Scale it was the equivalent of a Category 2: ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Help! Heather? Time, again, to ban imports of cheese. Paul Looney On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/13/2011 09:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I'm sooo tempted to list all Dutch cheeses! A very, very great disappointment to me that we cannot buy Nagel Kaas here in Bulgaria. try getting french cheese here in Brazil. It will cost you a kidney and an arm. Dutch cheese, no way! Heck, I almost cried when I found cheddar, real cheddar, here for the first time in 15 years. Brazilians think that cheddar is that processed stuff that macdonalds puts on sandwich. It gets worse, people here sell something called Dressing type cheddar (I am not joking) which is not really made of milk but of something that is grown and is not eaten by a cow. but on the other hand, Brazilian Minas Cheese ROCKS!!! -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-**x-talk.comhttp://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 13 okt. 2011 om 20:46 heeft René Micoutrene.micout@**numericable.comrene.mic...@numericable.com het volgende geschreven: YES and... le Livarot, le Pont-l'évêque, le Morbier, le Neufchâtel, Le Comté, le Maroil, le Beaufort, le Brie, le Boursin, le Crotin de Chavignoles, le Bleu d'Auvergne, le Bleu de Bresse, la Brousse, le Chaumes, le Cantal, le Chabichou, l'Epoisses, la Tomme des Bauges, le Munster, le Reblochon, le Petit René... and so on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/** Liste_de_fromages_françaishttp://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_fromages_fran%C3%A7ais You understand now why cheese is OT ? ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris et particulièrement pour Richmond ! __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Stack Size Changes
Tim, Are you using OS X? Two things on OS X can cause vertical resizing problems: 1. The dock If the dock is on the bottom of the screen (even if it is hidden) stacks can be shortened to accommodate area for the dock. Try it on the side and see if that makes a difference. 2. Menus All usually goes well if menus are created on the first card of a one- card stack. Adding menus after cards have been added to a stack can cause dramatic resizing of the stack as one moves from card to card. Paul Looney On Aug 10, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Timothy Miller wrote: My query from earlier this morning is generating a non-flurry of replies, likely because no one knows the answer. I have solved the problem with a simple preOpenStack handler, which works fine. However, I feel this issue must represent a gap in my knowledge, which I would like to close. Further investigation: On suspendStack answer the height of this stack pass suspendStack end suspendStack The height is 742 Same for on closeStack -- last instruction before stack closes -- the height is 742 On preOpenStack answer the height of this stack -- first instruction, before doing anything else pass preOpenStack end preOpenStack The height is 712 on some occasions. On other occasions it might be 692 or 696, and so on. The width does not change. Is this a possible bug? Is this a feature I don't know about? It's on a laptop, but the rect of the stack is smaller than the screenRect. Cheers, Tim On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Timothy Miller wrote: So, heerza deal, One stack, several cards, two groups on each card, groups behave as backgrounds. Top of one group is 1, bottom is 199. Top of second group is 200, bottom is 740. This group has a vertical scroll bar. Resizable for the stack is turned off. Lock size and position is on, for both groups. I set the height of the stack to 742. Save. Close the stack. Open it. The height is now less than 742. Sometimes it's 712. Sometimes it's 692, or 696, or possibly other values. There are no scripts that alter card size, group size or stack size. Repeat. Same thing. The change of height is inconsistent, even if I do nothing to the stack except open, change the height, and close. When the stack size gets smaller, I can't scroll to the bottom of the lower group, and the arrows at the bottom of the scroll bar get cut off. I noticed this issue a few weeks ago, on the same stack. Then it stopped happening. Now it's doing it again. I looked at the message watcher when closing the stack. Didn't understand everything I saw, but nothing surprising. Wazzup? I guess I could fix this with a script on openStack or preOpenStack, but I want to understand why it happens. Thanks in advance. Tim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5
Phil Davis? On Jun 20, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: As it appears more and more companies are starting to focus on HTML5 app delivery, thus bypassing all sorts of App Stores (see: http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/15/facebook-project-spartan/ AND excuse reference to an MG Siegler written article! ;-). This seems on the surface like a pretty decent strategy for many. Code once, deliver everywhere. OK, so I know it's not that simple. But we all have heard the story before. That's why we're here now. Still, a cursory overview of the industry shows there is nothing as easy as LC for coding up HTML5 apps-- in fact, not even close. Certainly, we all know LC plugins for browsers isn't the answer. It seems to me it would be a good idea for LC or someone else to evaluate what it takes to export to HTML5. Andre, perhaps you may have an idea. Or anyone else. It sure would solve a lot of problems for all of us in the future-- as more and more clients are going to want to take their apps to the clouds. In fact, many of the projects on my plate right now would benefit from a LC to HTML5 plugin. If someone were to help LC write one, would anyone else be interested in purchasing it? Inquiring minds would like to know ;-) -- Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Stability in LC 4.5?
Peter, Did you get an answer from RunRev? PL On Sep 27, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: I found I could crash 4.5 reliably by clicking on a certain button in my rather complex clinical management stack. The button sets up an enhanced find function then lists the cards on which a textstring is found in a given field. I have not been able to track down at which point in my script it fails. I sent in a bug report to supp...@runvrev.com, with a crash log. Have not heard anything back. Meanwhile I'm back to using 4.0, as I cannot afford unexpected crashes in something I use daily. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Sep 24, 2010, at 8:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 9/24/10 2:21 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: I have had a few problems with rev 4.0. In the last few days I have had a handful of freezes with LC 4.5. Anyone else noticing this? I was hoping for more stability, not less. On G5, OS 10.4.11 It's been pretty solid for me, but I just gave up my only Leopard machine so I'm on a different configuration now. This is the kind of stuff that should go into a bug report though. Crashes/freezes are alway high priority items. Include a crash log if there's an entry for it in there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: secure comm between app and server
Phil, Would it suffice to encrypt the data? Paul Looney On Mar 16, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Phil Davis wrote: I want to make the communication secure between my desktop app (and later a mobile app) and a LC CGI script on my server. I have HTTPS turned on and certificate in place, but don't know how much of that is needed. How do I do it? I have no clue. If it's easier to do it with revServer (aka irev) code, I'm open. I just want to keep it in LC if possible. Many thanks - -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] convert CWK to PowerPoint or OpenOffice
Richard, This is one way: http://books.google.com/books? id=FWKPqxI2s4MCpg=PA373lpg=PA373dq=export+appleworks +slidessource=blots=YWD7ePxANWsig=OcWsSCP4allOB567LYVnze7q0R8hl=ene i=6hxGTYS9MI7EsAPOp_iRCgsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=1ved=0CBM Q6AEwAA#v=onepageq=export%20appleworks%20slidesf=false Probably not what you were hoping for. Paul Looney On Jan 30, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: My gal has a few presentations she'd done in AppleWorks' SlideShow program, and she needs to run them from a Windows box in the office. I've looked all over, and I can't find a converter from AppleWorks to either PPT or OOo (other than dropping $79 for iWorks for this one-time conversion). Any other alternatives you know of to get AppleWorks slide shows into either PowerPoint of OpenOffice? Thanks - - Richard Gaskin Fourth World ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: File Suffix
Stephen, More like 7,311,616 characters. The creator codes could be small characters or caps (except Apple reserved all lower case for itself). Paul Looney On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:25 PM, stephen barncard wrote: And the old 4 char 'creator codes' would run out at 456976 ! On 23 January 2011 01:17, Paul Looney supp...@ahsomme.com wrote: Cal, Another consideration: Three characters allows for approximately 17,576 combinations (26*26*26). Apple's App Store alone already has over 300,000 apps, and growing. Three characters might have been enough in 1970 but not today. Paul Looney On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Ken Ray wrote: O.K. Ken, given that there are companies in our business that have used more than a three char suffix. That still doesn't make it right. Sorry, Cal, I'm just not seeing the big deal with greater than 3 character file extensions... but maybe it's just me... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Popup button and DataGrid
Help please. I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid. I have code, in the dg, that looks like this: on mouseDown popup btn Selected Orders Popup end mouseDown The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not hilited until after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it looks like the popup refers to the previously selected line. I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already has the solution. Thanks in advance. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Popup button and DataGrid
Sorry zryip, That did not work, though it looks like it should. Still the same problem: the popup appears before the clicked line is hilited. Thanks for the suggestion. Paul Looney On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:22 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney supp...@ahsomme.com wrote: Help please. I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid. I have code, in the dg, that looks like this: on mouseDown popup btn Selected Orders Popup end mouseDown The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not hilited until after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it looks like the popup refers to the previously selected line. I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already has the solution. Thanks in advance. Paul, on mouseDown popup btn Selected Orders Popup pass mouseDown end mouseDown Best regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Popup button and DataGrid
Phil, I had already tried that - and it worked - but... the popup popped up on the mouseUp which was strange - especially if you hold down the mouse longer than usual. Thanks. Paul Looney On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Phil Davis wrote: Try using a mouseUp handler - maybe that will give the line time to hilite first. Phil On 1/21/11 12:55 PM, Paul Looney wrote: Sorry zryip, That did not work, though it looks like it should. Still the same problem: the popup appears before the clicked line is hilited. Thanks for the suggestion. Paul Looney On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:22 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney supp...@ahsomme.com wrote: Help please. I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid. I have code, in the dg, that looks like this: on mouseDown popup btn Selected Orders Popup end mouseDown The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not hilited until after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it looks like the popup refers to the previously selected line. I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already has the solution. Thanks in advance. Paul, on mouseDown popup btn Selected Orders Popup pass mouseDown end mouseDown Best regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Popup button and DataGrid
Peter, That makes sense but what is the syntax? I tried putting: on dgMouseDown -- various things end dgMouseDown but that handler never got called. I tried: on mouseDown send dgMouseDown to grp Pending Orders Data Grid popup btn Selected Orders Popup end mouseDown which seemed to have no effect. Seem to be really close now. Paul Looney On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: You have to call the datagrid dgMouseDown handler in your mousedown handler. Assuming your mouseDown handler is in the datagrid script, just call dgMousedown with the button number before you display your popup. Otherwise, the datagrid doesn;t see the mousedown event until after your mousedown handler sees it. No need to pass mouseDown either. Pete Haworth On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney supp...@ahsomme.com wrote: Help please. I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid. I have code, in the dg, that looks like this: on mouseDown popup btn Selected Orders Popup end mouseDown The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not hilited until after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it looks like the popup refers to the previously selected line. I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already has the solution. Thanks in advance. Paul, ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
Thank you all! To summarize since yesterday morning: Question #1 I asked Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later? Tereza suggested using Chipp's altLayer Tool and showed me where to find it (I had the same problem that Bob and Phil had locating it). I emailed Chipp to arrange payment; he replied that it was free!?! Unfortunately, while this utility moves objects within groups, it does not move them into, out of, or between groups - which is what I need (more on that in a moment). I do appreciate Chipp's (typical) generosity regarding this and would like to note that we use his Magic Carpet for every change in any of our programs - often many times a day. Geoff confirmed that the problems with the current revNavigator were not my imagination. So it appears that there is no way to adjust layers into, out of, or between groups in the LC world today. Why do I care? My major use of LC is for the Ahsomme Business System. It does order processing, accounting, purchasing, inventory control, job costing, machine-loading, employee scheduling, material requirement planning, etc. It is complex; there are over 20 databases, over 50 standard report templates (plus a report maker), and more than 50 auxillary programs. Some of these individual programs are also complex; the Orders Editor, for example, has 144 buttons and 436 fields (not counting objects in datagrid groups). Right now I am working on a Production Status program for a company in New Zealand. This program uses multiple datagrids. There is a grid for pending orders, a grid showing the orders selected to be put in process, grids for materials required to support production, a grid comparing required material to uncommitted materials on hand and purchased materials due in, and several more. Obviously it is not possible to display everything on the screen at the same time. So, we hide and show groups - a lot. Usually these groups will contain one or more datagrids, plus additional fields or buttons. It is critical to have the ability to quickly and easily move newly created objects into the proper group. revNavigator did this perfectly, I can not begin to say how grateful I am to have had it! Quoting Peter: Geoff Canyon, can you convince that developer of yours to do something about this...? :-) Question #2 I asked Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid? I had already concluded that the grid was broken because the behavior of the grid was no longer linked - as the Slug and Trevor suggested. I had tried: set the behavior of grp myDataGrid to button id 1005 of stack revDataGridLibrary which did nothing, not even an error. I had also tried: set the behavior of grp myDataGrid to button id 1005 of stack quote revDataGridLibrary quote which gave a binary error. The Slug's recipe: set the behavior of grp myDataGrid to button id 1005 of stack quote revDataGridLibrary quote worked. With that fix the grid started displaying the text from dgText. This also reverted other properties to their defaults, for example, before the fix the columns were their original and proper width but the columnWidth properties were empty; after the fix the columnWidth properties (and the columns themselves) were all 100. This is actually a minor problem for us and we can easily make manual repairs to these properties. Trevor's list of Behaviors will help us reset all of default links without completely rebuilding the stack (an unimaginable exercise). Thank you all. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Layers, revNavigator, DataGrids
Fellow Programmers, For many years I've used the revNavigator plugin to layer objects - to move objects to any layer, into and out of groups, from one group to another, etc. Somewhere around Rev 3.5 the revNavigator broke. Dragging objects in the list would only put bookmarks at the top of the list - leaving the selected object in its original layer. Using the Option key to move objects in groups (per the instructions) did not help. I am referring to revNavigator 3.0 RC 1. I can open the stack in an older version of Rev, with the older version of the Navigator and relayering works properly. BUT... Having adjusted the object layers in an older version of Rev, the DataGrids will not work on the stack when it is reopened in LC 4.0 or 4.5.1. All of the grid objects are there but they have no intelligence: 1. setting the dgText of the grid group does nothing - does not produce an error, using a try/catch shows nothing 2. the columns are the same size but have no column widths in the Columns tab on the object inspector 3. the behavior of group 'DataGrid' returns empty, not button id 1005 of stack revDataGridLibrary The original grids in the stack are broken. I can add new grids and they work properly. BUT... If I replace the old grids with new ones, I have no way to put them in the proper layers - short of completely rebuilding a very complex stack. So, two questions: 1. Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later? 2. Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid described above? FYI, LC 4.0 tested on OS X 10.4.11 on a G4 PowerBook and LC 4.5.1 tested on OS X 10.6.6 on an Intel Mac Mini. I really appreciate your help. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Custom computers
Richard, AnandTech.com has excellent reviews of all the DIY components, including processors, boards, power supplies, even cases. Good place to start. Don't forget to leave room for a good SSD! Paul Looney On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I was looking for a beefy quad core system and my brother convinced me that the cost savings and customizability makes it well worth the time to assemble the parts. So I'm curious: How many of you here have built your own computers? Did you go with a barebones, or do it from scratch? Did you go with Intel or AMD, and why? I'm leaning toward AMD myself given what appears to be an excellent price/performance value, and will likely build from scratch because I'm picky about the case. Seems a surprising number of people I know build their own systems, kinda makes me wonder why I ever bought an off-the-shelf PC. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Data Grids Stop Working
Trevor, Yes it was and, again, I thank you for your help. There have been other occasions where the only cure was replacing the grids - and that alone fixed the problem. It is rare. Will try to get a recipe on that one if it comes again. I have put the code you suggested into the script to trap the error. The DataGrid is really fantastic. We use it a lot in our business systems and are repeatedly amazed by how well it works. PL On Nov 29, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Paul Looney supp...@ahsomme.com wrote: Thanks for the suggestion and the code. I put the code into the script and it produced no error. Everything else is running properly, vTheList contains the appropriate information!?!? WAIT! HOLD THE PRESSES! There is an obscure conditional, set the dgText of grp Data Grid to vTheList is on the wrong branch. Problem solved. Thank you again. Great! An easy fix :-) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com-www.screensteps.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Data Grids Stop Working
Good advice Bob, I found the problem this time (see reply to Trevor). It has happened before without changing the name of the dg or relevant script. Hope not to see it again but will store your advice and Trevor's just in case... Thank you. PL On Nov 24, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: It would be interesting to know what vTheList contained at the time of the error. Also, (and I know it sounds too simple) but are you sure the name of the data grid has not changed? Now the line you show below would be one you would execute outside the datagrid itself. If this is something inside the datagrid, you should use the form of me (assuming it's in the datagrid behavior script). Not saying that is the problem, but I would start looking at the simple things. Bob On Nov 23, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Paul Looney wrote: Many times, on many stacks, data grids have simply stopped working - without any warning or error. The line of code they fail to execute is this, or similar: set the dgText of grp Data Grid to vTheList The code may have worked for months before is fails. The only solution I've found is to delete the existing grids and replace them with new ones. Doing so, without any code changes, fixes the problem. I don't have a recipe. But, so far, the problem has only come up while working in the IDE. It has appeared on different computers (all Mac), with different OSes (OS X 10.4.11 through OS X 10.6.4) and assorted versions of Rev/Livecode (4.0 through 4.5.1). Advice/suggestions appreciated. Paul Looney ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
