LiveCode podcast just posted

[me]

@jerrydaniels and @trozware podcasting about 'LiveCode: Yesterday and Today' on 
@ZCastApp https://zcast.co/j/jyBjle2QnD

Apologies: my audio degrades a bit (clipped words) in the last third of the 
cast.

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Re: Livecode podcast

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In 2mins

On Oct 13, 2016, 5:05 PM -0500, Colin Holgate , wrote:
> Are you podcasting yesterday and today, or are you podcasting right now?
>
>
> > On Oct 13, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Jerry Daniels  wrote:
> >
> > @jerrydaniels and @trozware are podcasting about 'LiveCode: Yesterday and 
> > Today' on @ZCastApp https://zcast.co/j/jyBjle2QnD
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jerry Daniels
> >
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Re: Bug report against lcStackBrowser

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Tap screenshots to enlarge, I believe.

Best, Jerry

On Oct 10, 2016, 12:51 PM -0500, stephen barncard 
, wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:
>
> > Fine bit of work there, Peter. Just that the name is misleading. :) It's
> > far more than advertised.
>
>
> only the screenshots are too small !
>
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

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Ask a group on listserv if they want listserv, and what do you get? Listserv.

Best, Jerry

On Sep 30, 2016, 5:13 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin , 
wrote:
> FWIW I don't see this as an XOR operation, but an AND.
>
> Some like the categorized, searchable forums.
>
> Others like the continuum flow of this list, searchable in Nabble:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
>
> Others like FB:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/livecodeusers/
>
> ...or G+:
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/109731058120269230218
>
> ...or LinkedIn, where our group now has over 2500 members:
> https://www.linkedin.com/groups/50811
>
> (With LinkedIn being the premier professional space in social media,
> home to many budding software entrepreneurs, please consider joining
> that group and adding a post there now and then to raise its visibility
> there.)
>
> And some love IRC. I know a good many people who spend lots of time in
> IRC, and a lot of major FOSS projects who use it for meetings - and of
> course we have a LiveCode channel there, on freenode:
> https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#livecode
>
> There were a couple Slack groups too, but I'm not sure if they're active
> - anyone have a URL for those?
>
> Communities grow organically around whatever communications channels the
> members enjoy.
>
> All are indexable content, so all venues benefit all of us using LiveCode.
>
> Let a thousand flowers bloom
>
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Re: Random topic: What script font do you like/use?

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I use Typewalk Mono 1915 Medium for the most part. They have a thin as well. I 
use thin and medium in my own editors and medium in the native one.

I am a former Verdana user for the exact reasons you stated, Jeanne. Good luck 
on your quest!

Best, Jerry

On Sep 20, 2016, 8:32 PM -0500, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto , 
wrote:
> I've used Andale Mono by preference, but I don't have the bold, and
> so on versions of LC after 5.x, bolding for comments and keywords
> doesn't show up in the script editor. (Bah.)
>
> I liked it because it was:
> 1) clean-looking with a good x-height
> 2) has easily distinguishable lowercase l, capital I, and number 1,
> and zero and O
>
> I thought about just buying the bold, but I've been experimenting
> with other fonts. I tried Verdana for a while-it's not monospaced,
> but fairly wide and very clean-looking-but it turns out that I prefer
> monospaced fonts better for reading code. Maybe just because I'm so
> used to them that non-monospaced fonts look weird in that context.
> Source Code Pro is appealing.
>
> -
>
> So...
>
> What fonts do you like best for code?
> Or does everybody just fall back on Courier? ;-)
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SVG management

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I have not had time to check this out, but here's a Mac app for managing and 
tweaking SVGs. Might be helpful.

https://www.producthunt.com/tech/svgsus-2

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Re: Markdown in 8.1dp2 Mac app builds

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Thx for the note, Swamiji. I tried dp3 also and found it much better.

Richard, it was impossible to include the mergEXT markdown lib in a build w 
dp3. monte was aware.

On Aug 23, 2016, 2:01 PM -0500, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami <bra...@hindu.org>, 
wrote:
> Jerry wrote:
>
> Also, dp2 may be too unstable for me to be productive.
>
> FWIW: dp2 had me deep in despair (couldn't get anything done)… been working 
> in dp3 for two weeks. it is a whole different experience… even the project 
> browser now works.
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Re: Strict is in; lax is out

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Exactly, Mike. I remembered the exclamation mark. But I was exercising my 
laxness.

On Aug 22, 2016, 3:36 PM -0500, Mike Kerner , wrote:
> I was going to mention CompileIt! and Double-XX!, as well (you forgot the
> exclamation points). I wasn't overjoyed with the restrictions, but I was
> at not having to use Think C to make externals, any more.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:30 PM,  wrote:
>
> > With builder the LC platform is becoming almost like a meta OS. Before it
> > was great at the high an mid level. Now we get lower level and
> > extensibility.
> >
> > I felt the same way when CompileIt came along for HyperCard. Like then, I
> > have no interest in foregoing LC scripting.
> >
> > On Aug 22, 2016, 3:21 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin ,
> > wrote:
> > > Richmond wrote:
> > >
> > > > language: something that Livecode has inherited. Please do not chuck
> > > > that out.
> > >
> > > Nothing to worry about, Richmond. LiveCode Script and LiveCode Builder
> > > are different languages for different purposes.
> > >
> > > As an extensibility subsystem, LC Builder benefits from being more
> > > restrictive, hopefully one day compilable to machine language. Its role
> > > is as a replacement for things that might otherwise require C, not for
> > > things that would be done in LiveCode Script.
> > >
> > > As the main glue for brining components together and building apps,
> > > LiveCode Script will retain its essential flavor.
> > >
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Re: Strict is in; lax is out

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With builder the LC platform is becoming almost like a meta OS. Before it was 
great at the high an mid level. Now we get lower level and extensibility.

I felt the same way when CompileIt came along for HyperCard. Like then, I have 
no interest in foregoing LC scripting.

On Aug 22, 2016, 3:21 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin , 
wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
> > language: something that Livecode has inherited. Please do not chuck
> > that out.
>
> Nothing to worry about, Richmond. LiveCode Script and LiveCode Builder
> are different languages for different purposes.
>
> As an extensibility subsystem, LC Builder benefits from being more
> restrictive, hopefully one day compilable to machine language. Its role
> is as a replacement for things that might otherwise require C, not for
> things that would be done in LiveCode Script.
>
> As the main glue for brining components together and building apps,
> LiveCode Script will retain its essential flavor.
>
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Re: Strict is in; lax is out

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I think it's the cycling thru that spectrum over time that makes the whole 
thing work.

On Aug 22, 2016, 12:39 PM -0500, dunb...@aol.com, wrote:
> Everything you say is true, modern and relevant.
>
>
> That said, long live lax.
>
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: me <m...@jerrydaniels.com
> To: LiveCode List <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2016 12:34 pm
> Subject: Strict is in; lax is out
>
> With the advent of LCB, 'strict' is becoming the watchword in the v8 era. I 
> applaud this new direction. Yes, there's short term discomfort with LCB 
> (learning curve), but in the near-to-long term I believe there will be huge 
> dividends paid to developers with high performance, low maintenance apps.
>
> Best, je...@botz.live
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Strict is in; lax is out

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With the advent of LCB, 'strict' is becoming the watchword in the v8 era. I 
applaud this new direction. Yes, there's short term discomfort with LCB 
(learning curve), but in the near-to-long term I believe there will be huge 
dividends paid to developers with high performance, low maintenance apps.

Best, je...@botz.live
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Re: Wouldn't it be neat...

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If you use the clipboarddata to alter your scripts, you get undo to work again.

On Aug 22, 2016, 12:53 AM -0500, J. Landman Gay , 
wrote:
> Here's my original, which does mess up "undo", but it's a start. I use
> Command-Shift- to trigger the actions. Cmd-Shift-space, for
> example, picks up the text under the mouse and puts it into the current
> selection. I use that almost exclusively instead of copy/paste to enter
> variable names without typos. Quotes, brackets, and a few other things
> are covered. In the case of quotes and parentheses where there is no
> selection, it places a paired set of characters and moves the insertion
> point between them.
>
> on commandKeyDown whichKey
> if ("editor field" is not in the name of the target and "script" is
> not in the name of the target) \
> or the shiftkey is not down
> then pass commandKeyDown
> switch whichKey
> case quote
> case "'"
> get the selection
> put quote & it & quote into the selection
> if it = "" then
> put the selectedchunk into tSel
> put word 4 of tSel into word 2 of tSel
> put (word 4 of tSel) - 1 into word 4 of tSel
> select tSel
> end if
> break
> case "v" -- paste only plain text
> put the clipboardData["text"] into the selection
> break
> case "9"
> case "0"
> case "("
> case ")"
> get the selection
> put "(" & it & ")" into the selection
> if it = "" then
> put the selectedchunk into tSel
> put word 4 of tSel into word 2 of tSel
> put (word 4 of tSel) - 1 into word 4 of tSel
> select tSel
> end if
> break
> case "["
> case "]"
> case "{"
> case "}"
> get the selection
> put "[" & it & "]" into the selection
> if it = "" then
> put the selectedchunk into tSel
> put word 4 of tSel into word 2 of tSel
> put (word 4 of tSel) - 1 into word 4 of tSel
> select tSel
> end if
> break
> case " " -- scriptPaint
> put the mousetext into the selection
> break
> default
> pass commandKeyDown
> end switch
> setEditorDirty
> end commandKeyDown
>
> private command setEditorDirty -- make the editor know things changed
> type space
> delete char (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of the target
> end setEditorDirty
>
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Re: Wouldn't it be neat...

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Trapping the commankeydown message is the easiest way to automate quoting. 
Rather than altering the script field behavior, I'd recommend using a front 
script. Just make sure you pass the keys you're not using!

On Aug 21, 2016, 6:37 AM -0500, Mike Bonner , wrote:
> Do as monty suggested and hilite the chunk you want to quote and click the
> button. Though it just popped into my head.. If you're on a mac, and click
> a button while text is selected.. does it de-select the chunk? I seem to
> remember something like this in the past, but am not at my mac right now so
> I can't try it. On windows, just shoving the code into a button and then
> clicking it while text is selected is working fine.
>
> I'll poke around on mac and get it working there once i'm more awake.
>
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Roger Guay  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jacque, Monty, Peter and Mike.
> >
> > Mike, I tried a similar script in plugin, but I don’t know how to make it
> > interact with the Script Editor. What am I missing?
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 20, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:
> > >
> > > I like this idea, so I made a quick and dirty method.
> > >
> > > Made a button with this..
> > > on mouseUp
> > > put the selectedtext into tText
> > > if the first char of tText is not quote then put quote before tText
> > > if the last char of tText is not quote then put quote after tText
> > > put tText into the selectedchunk
> > > end mouseUp
> > >
> > > Did the extra rigamarole for those times when I get one of the quotes in
> > > but forgot the other. If there is already a quote at either end of the
> > > selection, no quote is added to that end. Should be easy to turn it into
> > a
> > > plugin, and assign a key combination to do the quote insert. Thanks for
> > the
> > > idea.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Monte Goulding  > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wouldn't it be better if typing quote when you have more than an
> > insertion
> > > > point quoted around the selection?
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On 21 Aug 2016, at 12:38 PM, Roger Guay  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If one could double-click a word in the script editor and then simply
> > > > click a button to put it in quotes? Has anyone already done this? Yes, I
> > > > know I can do Find and Replace, but this would definitely be the cat’s
> > meow!
> > > >
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Re: loadStack message use cases

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Agree. Data binding is a good use case for me as well.

Best, je...@botz.live

On Aug 19, 2016, 1:29 AM -0500, Iphonelagi <iphonel...@gmail.com>, wrote:
> Hi monte
>
> I'm sure we would find a use case for it as we have/had that in visual foxpro 
> where each container form or control object had an init event which allowed 
> setting Clours and code dynamically on creation ... Very powerful
> If your in the system how about adding an. Init event as per the docs below 
> from the vfp documentation
> "
> For form sets and other container objects, the Init events for all the 
> contained objects are triggered before the container's Init event, so you can 
> access the contained objects within the container's Init event. The Init 
> event for each contained object occurs in the order it was added to the 
> container object.
> To prevent a control from being created, return false (.F.) from the Init 
> event. The Destroy event will not be triggered. For example, the following 
> code returns false (.F.) if the Invoice table is not available:"
> I would be able to then be able to create in effect a data binding system 
> with much less code simulating the data environment of vfp on creation/init 
> of the stack if it doesn't slow things down too much just put it in ... 
> Simples! 
> I have programmed round it so far but it would be a brilliant addition
> Regards Lagi
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 18 Aug 2016, at 22:35, Monte Goulding <mo...@appisle.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks
> >
> > I’m wondering if anyone with interest could post use cases they can think 
> > of for a loadStack message to the following bug report. This would be a 
> > message sent to a stack before preOpeStack when the stack is first loaded 
> > into memory. It’s possible that the only use cases are for the IDE.
> >
> > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18223 
> > <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18223
> >
> > Cheers
> >
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Re: blockchain

[me]

Richard, Mike...sorry for my butting in here. Feel free to ignore my 
interruption.

On Aug 17, 2016, 5:12 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin , 
wrote:
> Mike Kerner wrote:
>
> > Connectivity isn't central, it's simply a failure mode that gives us
> > an extra wrinkle. Ignore connectivity, and just focus on getting rid
> > of the server, if you like. Or, design a decentralized diamond
> > registry.
>
> What is the business benefit for this application to go P2P rather than
> client-server?
>
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Re: blockchain

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Richard, cost savings, security, privacy. Costs are drastically reduced without 
hosting and its (hidden) labor/maintenance. Just think about the long record of 
exploitation of hosted SQL data. Not in the models were discussing here.

On Aug 17, 2016, 5:12 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin , 
wrote:
> Mike Kerner wrote:
>
> > Connectivity isn't central, it's simply a failure mode that gives us
> > an extra wrinkle. Ignore connectivity, and just focus on getting rid
> > of the server, if you like. Or, design a decentralized diamond
> > registry.
>
> What is the business benefit for this application to go P2P rather than
> client-server?
>
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Re: blockchain

[me]

Mike, I used the BitTorrent model to do my decentralization but I also put an 
optional local network relay station to cover mobile's inability to listen and 
to handle those circumstances where everyone's device was turned off.

My reasoning was: I wanted the data to be as local and as live as possible. I 
wanted no data in any centralized place. Also, no http or ftp. With that model, 
encryption and a private transport protocol, trust is between individuals and 
listening is safe/unexploitable.

On Aug 17, 2016, 4:57 PM -0500, Mike Kerner <mikeker...@roadrunner.com>, wrote:
> Connectivity isn't central, it's simply a failure mode that gives us an
> extra wrinkle. Ignore connectivity, and just focus on getting rid of the
> server, if you like. Or, design a decentralized diamond registry.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassa...@fourthworld.com
> wrote:
>
> > Mike Kerner wrote:
> >
> > > Richard,
> > > The primers that were the most helpful to me are ones that are hidden
> > > behind paywalls (but understanding Merkle trees might also help).
> >
> > Good tip - thanks.
> >
> > > The easiest scenario to describe is a warehouse. Mobiles are in the
> > > hands of all personnel, because LC is sweet and who wouldn't want a
> > > customer walking out jealous that they don't have something similar?
> > > Because of electrical noise, dead spots, etc., wireless connectivity
> > > is not 100%. The owner does not want to replace an aging desktop
> > > that is also acting as a server for this setup, and wants the IT
> > > department writing more sweet mobile apps, not maintaining
> > > infrastructure. Solve.
> >
> > No solution system can be designed because the most important information
> > is missing from the problem definition: What is the task we want to
> > support the users doing on their phone?
> >
> > And if blockchains are unrelated to connectivity, why is connectivity the
> > central issue of this problem statement?
> >
> >
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Re: blockchain

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Mike, the issues you are bringing are vital ones actually, not the least bit 
frivolous. Blockchain is like LiveCode's executionContexts property on a global 
scale. "Trust, but verify, Mr. Gorbachev."

Blockchain is distributed trust, which is real (not corporate) trust. That 
said, I'd have to ask you to file away Ethereum's failures as as off-model and 
anomalous.

Best, je...@botz.live

On Aug 16, 2016, 3:45 PM -0500, Mike Kerner <mikeker...@roadrunner.com>, wrote:
> This isn't about connectivity. This is about surviving a catastrophic
> failure at a central authoritative data source, by eliminating the need for
> a central data source. Blockchains are not used to distribute data.
> Blockchains are, in effect, streams of timestamped checksums. Embedded in
> them are all the other timestamped checksums for the chain. Therefore,
> blockchains enable you to determine who has the most current data (or, who
> has the most recent copy of some piece of it).
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassa...@fourthworld.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Mike Kerner wrote:
> >
> > > Richard, think Delta Airlines outage.
> >
> > If you hire IT staff that doesn't set up failover or practice disaster
> > recovery, I'm not sure that's a technology problem. :)
> >
> > > Blockchains don't just give you distributed storage, they give you
> > > distributed trust. Being cheap, I turned dropbox, and google
> > > spreadsheets, and Box, and a couple of other services into online
> > > data repositories, i.e. crude DBMS's, because I can do it on the
> > > cheap. But what if one or all of those go down? What if my pipe
> > > goes down?
> >
> > I'm at the edge of completely ignorant about blockchains so forgive me if
> > this question is naive, but if blockchains are a distributed system how can
> > they counter loss of connectivity?
> >
> > > If I have my mobiles on the same network, and a blockchain, maybe I
> > > don't even need a central server. If I have a blockchain, maybe a
> > > cell phone that is on my network can be communicating with the outside
> > > world when the wifi or wired-only devices can't.
> >
> > Don't most carriers allow Internet data over cell networks these days? The
> > connectivity method would seem independent of the distributed storage
> > system, no?
> >
> > The security aspect is indeed interesting. Looking at how banks are
> > increasingly exploring blockchains for document storage is inspiring for
> > many practical applications beyond Bitcoin.
> >
> > What libraries are you wrapping?
> >
> >
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Re: Icon/SVGs resource

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Richmond, Bob...my pleasure!

Best, je...@botz.live

On Aug 16, 2016, 11:48 AM -0500, Richmond , wrote:
> That's a fantastic resource.
>
> Thanks 1000 times.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 16.08.2016 18:29, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> > Here's what I use: https://icons8.com
> >
> > Great collections for all devices/OS's
> > Modern stuff (flat or not)
> > Colorization before DL
> > Great newsletter
> > Great blog
> >
> > As a web page OR a Mac/Windows App.
> >
> > Pay OR free
> >
> > Best, je...@botz.live
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Icon/SVGs resource

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Here's what I use: https://icons8.com

Great collections for all devices/OS's
Modern stuff (flat or not)
Colorization before DL
Great newsletter
Great blog

As a web page OR a Mac/Windows App.

Pay OR free

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Re: blockchain

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Mike, follow the project via email signup here: http://botz.live

I'll be coming up for air in a few days and able to discuss more with you then.

Best, Jerry

On Aug 16, 2016, 7:59 AM -0500, Mike Kerner , wrote:
> Jerry, I'm interested, so please share, off list or on.
> Richard, think Delta Airlines outage. Blockchains don't just give you
> distributed storage, they give you distributed trust. Being cheap, I
> turned dropbox, and google spreadsheets, and Box, and a couple of other
> services into online data repositories, i.e. crude DBMS's, because I can do
> it on the cheap. But what if one or all of those go down? What if my pipe
> goes down? If I have my mobiles on the same network, and a blockchain,
> maybe I don't even need a central server. If I have a blockchain, maybe a
> cell phone that is on my network can be communicating with the outside
> world when the wifi or wired-only devices can't.
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:
>
> > Mike Kerner wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone thought about implementing something similar to a
> > > blockchain in LC? I've been noggining this for a long time,
> > > but I haven't gotten far enough to talk about it.
> >
> > What sort of application did you have in mind for this? And why
> > blockchain specifically over other types of distributed storage?
> >
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> > 
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Re: blockchain

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I've started building the road for Blockchain concept in LC, Mike. I've also 
been keenly interested in it.

Best, Jerry

On Aug 15, 2016, 2:48 PM -0500, Mike Kerner , wrote:
> Has anyone thought about implementing something similar to a blockchain in
> LC? I've been noggining this for a long time, but I haven't gotten far
> enough to talk about it.
>
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Re: ios update issue

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Which iPad, Mike? My update went fine. I've got the latest iPad Air.

Best, Jerry

On Aug 4, 2016, 2:32 PM -0500, Mike Kerner , wrote:
> Ugh. This is becoming more of a problem, as it seems that there are more
> than a few people dealing with it. Hold off on installing this update for
> a day or two, I suggest.
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Mike Kerner  wrote:
>
> > Is anyone else having a problem with the latest ios security update?
> > After going through the process to download and install it, when my ipad
> > booted, it said that it wasn't eligible for the update. I've gone through
> > this three times, and each time I get the same message, whether i do a
> > restore or an update. Then I tried to check the developer forums at Apple
> > to see if anyone else is running into this problem, and I'm getting a
> > message, there that my forums account was suspended. So I tried to send a
> > support message to Apple, but when I hit send, or ok, or accept, or
> > whatever the button is on the web form, I don't get an acknowledgement of
> > the submission, all I get is the web form, again.
> >
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> >
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Re: Markdown in 8.1dp2 Mac app builds

[me]

I got it to work already, but I think it returnsfor line breaks (which is 
the current way to do that) but LC doesn't like them. So I have to add my own.

Also, dp2 may be too unstable for me to be productive. I'll probably write a 
basic translator myself, in the meantime.

Thx for getting back to me on this.

Best, Jerry

On Jul 10, 2016, 7:21 PM -0500, Monte Goulding<mo...@appisle.net>, wrote:
> Hi Jerry
>  
> It looks like you’ve found a bug in my build tools. I’ll try and get a fix in 
> dp-3. For the time being:
>  
> Name: mergMarkdownToXHTML
>  
> Type: function
>  
> Syntax: mergMarkdownToXHTML(, 
> [,,,])
>  
> Summary: Returns the XHTML translation of the markdown document.
>  
> Introduced: 8.0
>  
> OS: ios,android,linux,mac,windows
>  
> Platforms: mobile,desktop,server
>  
> Parameters:
> pMarkdown (string): The markdown text to translate.
> pNoIntraEmphasis (boolean): Don't add emphasis if there is no space on either
> side of the
> underscores. If true _this_ will be emphasized but_this_won't be.
> pTable (boolean): Support tables.
> pFencedCode (boolean): Support fenced code.
> pAutoLink (boolean): Auto link urls in the text
> pStrikethrough (boolean): Use a double tilde(~) either side of a word to
> indicate ~~strikethrough~~
> pSpaceHeaders (boolean): If true forces a space after the # for headers
> pSuperscript (boolean): If true use ^ to indicate the start of a superscript
> word
> pLaxSpacing (boolean): If true allows lax spacing. For example it will allow 
> no
> space between a paragraph and a list.
> Returns: XHTML
>  
> Example:
> put mergMarkdownToXHTML(theMarkdownText,,true) into theHTML
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Monte
>  
> > On 11 Jul 2016, at 10:11 AM, Jerry Daniels<m...@jerrydaniels.com>wrote:
> >  
> > Monte,
> >  
> > As far as I can tell, mergMarkDown is not in the dictionary. Is it part of 
> > this build? I do need to know the syntax to use it. I did see what I think 
> > might be it (mergMarkdown-x64) in the new inclusions.
> >  
> > Appreciate any help you can offer with this.
> >  
> > JD
> >  
> > > On Jul 10, 2016, at 6:21 PM, Monte Goulding<mo...@appisle.net>wrote:
> > >  
> > >  
> > > > On 11 Jul 2016, at 9:17 AM, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > Does the markdown support tables? I know some do.
> > >  
> > > Tables are optional. There’s parameters to turn on and off support for a 
> > > heap of things ;-)
> > >  
> > > Cheers
> > >  
> > > Monte
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Re: Markdown in 8.1dp2 Mac app builds

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Does the markdown support tables? I know some do.

Best, Jerry

On Jul 10, 2016, 4:07 PM -0500, wrote:
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Re: Markdown in 8.1dp2 Mac app builds

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Thx, Stephen.

Best, Jerry

On Jul 10, 2016, 4:27 PM -0500, stephen 
barncard, wrote:
> BTW
> good to see you here again, Jerry.
> 
> sqb
> 
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
> 
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Monte Gouldingwrote:
> 
> > Hi Jerry
> > 
> > It was the same bug as this one and has been fixed for dp-2:
> > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17754
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Monte
> > 
> > > On 11 Jul 2016, at 6:33 AM, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Anyone know (from experience) whether the LC 8.1dp2 mergEXT markdown
> > stuff will work in a Mac app? It has worked in the IDE, but could not be
> > included in a build for Mac.
> > > 
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Re: Markdown in 8.1dp2 Mac app builds

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Thx, Monte.

Best, Jerry

On Jul 10, 2016, 4:07 PM -0500, wrote:
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Re: Markdown in 8.1dp2 Mac app builds

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Thx Bill.

Best, Jerry

On Jul 10, 2016, 4:34 PM -0500, Bill Vlahos, wrote:
> Yes. Glad to see you back.
> 
> Bill Vlahos
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:25 PM, stephen 
> > barncardwrote:
> > 
> > BTW
> > good to see you here again, Jerry.
> > 
> > sqb
> > 
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> > mixstream.org
> > 
> > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Monte Gouldingwrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi Jerry
> > > 
> > > It was the same bug as this one and has been fixed for dp-2:
> > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17754
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > > 
> > > Monte
> > > 
> > > > On 11 Jul 2016, at 6:33 AM, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Anyone know (from experience) whether the LC 8.1dp2 mergEXT markdown
> > > stuff will work in a Mac app? It has worked in the IDE, but could not be
> > > included in a build for Mac.
> > > > 
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Markdown in 8.1dp2 Mac app builds

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Anyone know (from experience) whether the LC 8.1dp2 mergEXT markdown stuff will 
work in a Mac app? It has worked in the IDE, but could not be included in a 
build for Mac.

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Re: Geometry Manager on mobile?

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Hey, Monte! 'Will work on mobile' as of 8.1 or 8.0.2?

Best, Jerry

On Jun 25, 2016, 10:00 PM -0500, Monte Goulding, wrote:
> I haven't tested it myself but Ali has done a considerable amount of work 
> lately to make mobile and desktop standalone building more aligned so I think 
> things like the geometry manager and table library will work on mobile now.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 26 Jun 2016, at 1:55 AM, Richard Gaskinwrote:
> > 
> > Anyone here use the GM for mobile work?
> 
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Re: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 38

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'Focusing' has only one 's'. Not two.

Best, Jerry

On Jun 20, 2016, 5:53 AM -0500, Peter TB Brett, wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
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> 
> Read issue #38 here: https://goo.gl/0k4kNi
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> 
> This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
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Re: Control? Object?

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Well said, Mark!

Best, Jerry

On Jun 19, 2016, 7:23 AM -0500, Mark 
Schonewille<m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com>, wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
> 
> The LiveCode documentation consistently talks about objects, where this
> should be controls. The scripting language, however, mixes up the two
> concepts completely.
> 
> An object is a collection of properties and instructions defined by a
> programming syntax (where one shouldn't limit "programming syntax" to
> the traditional text listings but also include "syntax" created by
> visual programming environments).
> 
> A control is an often visual component of an interface, which allows the
> user to interact with the program, such as a button, a field and a slider.
> 
> Objects can create controls, but objects may also perform other tasks,
> such as saving data to disk, creating arrays, moving a control, and many
> other tasks.
> 
> In my book, I consistently distinguish objects and controls. This means
> that I almost always talk about controls and very rarely about objects,
> because it isn't really necessary to use objects in the LiveCode
> scripting language and AFAIK there is no "create object" command in the
> LiveCode language (but if you really want to, you can simulate objects).
> 
> It is interesting that LiveCode (I'm working with 6.7.6 today) doesn't
> have an "object" keyword but does have a "control" keyword, while many
> functions, commands and messages contain either the string "control" or
> the string "object".
> 
> It is clear that LiveCode hasn't matured well enough to deal with this
> issue. I would recommend using above definitions consistently. One day,
> real objects will be introduced into the LiveCode scripting language and
> we will need to distinguish them from controls.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> https://www.facebook.com/marksch
> 
> Buy the most extensive book on the
> LiveCode language:
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> 
> Op 19-Jun-16 om 09:19 schreef Richmond:
> > I am currently teaching some children Livecode programming and ran into
> > some difficulty
> > on Friday when a child asked me why the menus were full of the word
> > "Control"
> > when I had been talking about "Objects".
> > 
> > Well?
> > 
> > How about changing every use of the word "Control" to "Object"?
> > 
> > Enhancement Request 17879
> > 
> > Richmond.
> > 
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Re: LC and webviews

[me]

I've been using the browser object usefully, but my question was about LC text 
fields which you may have answered, actually.

Best, Jerry

On Jun 13, 2016, 10:31 AM -0500, Earthednet-wp<proth...@earthednet.org>, wrote:
> Lynn,
> Thank you for explaining some of the possibilities of the browser widget.
> 
> I'd sure love to eventually see some simple example stacks showing how to 
> implement some of these features. I'm not a JavaScript programmer, but can 
> generally get by with a new language once I have a "skeleton" app to start 
> with.
> 
> One of my projects involves student writing that includes images and 
> captions. It would be great to be able to format it in a nice looking 
> presentation with nice wrapping around figures, etc. I can think of lots of 
> other uses, especially for materials that may need regular updating.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
> > On Jun 13, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Lyn Teyla<lyn.te...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > 
> > Jerry Daniels wrote:
> > 
> > > I just read this article about Basecamp's use of webviews in their mobile 
> > > (Android in this case) apps. It got me thinking about LiveCode's 
> > > htmlText. Does it use some sort of CSS? If so, can one be set in its 
> > > stead?
> > 
> > That's exactly the sort of thing the browser widget in LiveCode 8 allows 
> > you to do, and it really opens the door to all sorts of possibilities.
> > 
> > And, it works on all platforms, not just Android.
> > 
> > Once the Windows bug is fixed, it will get even better:
> > 
> > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17633
> > 
> > ;)
> > 
> > In my opinion, the multi-platform browser widget, with the included support 
> > for communication via JavaScript, is one of the most important features the 
> > LiveCode team has implemented, and will allow many more to consider 
> > LiveCode as a possible tool for development and deployment.
> > 
> > You do need to know at least some rudimentary JavaScript (it's easy to pick 
> > up the essentials, though the more you know the better) so you can pass 
> > data back and forth between the browser widget and your LiveCode handlers.
> > 
> > This way, you get to do the bulk of your coding using LiveCode rather than 
> > JavaScript, whilst using one or more browser widgets (a.k.a. "web views") 
> > to handle the UI via HTML, CSS and JavaScript.
> > 
> > You can create any sort of polished UI that can be accomplished using web 
> > views, and use Angular, Bootstrap, and other established web-based UI 
> > frameworks to speed up the process.
> > 
> > You can place your UI code on a server and update it on the fly.
> > 
> > You can create reusable widgets and libraries based on HTML, CSS and/or 
> > JavaScript.
> > 
> > You can tap into the huge repository of existing JavaScript libraries to 
> > shave off chunks of coding time.
> > 
> > You can perform concurrent processing by handing stuff over to JavaScript 
> > in one or more browser widgets.
> > 
> > In short, the browser widget is a brilliant, much-welcomed feature.
> > 
> > Lyn
> > 
> > 
> > 
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LC and webviews

[me]

I just read this article about Basecamp's use of webviews in their mobile 
(Android in this case) apps. It got me thinking about LiveCode's htmlText. Does 
it use some sort of CSS? If so, can one be set in its stead?

Link to webviews article: 
https://m.signalvnoise.com/debunking-android-myths-webviews-suck-so-make-everything-native-cea5f8a8db87#.8c54ftec5

Best, Jerry
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[me]

Thx, Monte. I've already coded around the problem by limiting the amount of 
markdown the app accepts from a user. So I've rolled my own limited translation 
of markdown.

Best, Jerry

On Jun 10, 2016, 6:13 AM -0500, Monte Goulding, wrote:
>  
> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 9:05 PM, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> >  
> > That button is disabled. (The first place I looked.) INDY license, so it 
> > should work.
>  
> Sorry Jerry, I’ve led you a merry dance. It turns out that 8.0.X only added 
> an interim feature for iOS covering most of my externals. Standalone 
> inclusions have been completely reworked for 8.1.
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Monte
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[me]

That button is disabled. (The first place I looked.) INDY license, so it should 
work.

Best, Jerry

On Jun 10, 2016, 1:52 AM -0500, Monte Goulding, wrote:
>  
> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 3:53 PM, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> >  
> > I figured out what 'Ali awesomeness' meant just before I checked email. 
> > I've got Mohammed Ali on the brain this week, I suppose.
>  
> Well float like a butterfly over to the copy files pane and sting like a bee 
> on the “Add Included External…” button ;-)
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[me]

I figured out what 'Ali awesomeness' meant just before I checked email. I've 
got Mohammed Ali on the brain this week, I suppose.

Best, Jerry

On Jun 9, 2016, 3:10 PM -0500, Monte Goulding, wrote:
>  
> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 6:04 AM, Jerry Danielswrote:
> >  
> > Thx, Monte! “Ali awesomeness”?
>  
> Ali from the LC team has worked some magic on standalone inclusions in 8.1.
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[me]

I looked all over the place on the copy files page but didn't see how to add 
it. I'll check again. If you can point me in the right direction, I'd be 
grateful.

Best, Jerry

On Jun 9, 2016, 4:23 PM -0500, Monte Goulding<mo...@appisle.net>, wrote:
> 
> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 7:09 AM, Jerry Daniels<m...@jerrydaniels.com>wrote:
> > 
> > Just tested markdown with 8.0.2 rc1. As far as I can tell, it does not fix 
> > it. Is there something I need to do in SA setting to make it work?
> 
> Are you including it on the copy files pane?
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