Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
I'm pretty sure the issue is LiveCode, not you. I thought so too. Cause, within Fireworks, visual effects such as shadowing are clean and jagged-less. But when LC applies graphic effects, that is when the imperfections arise. And that is also when I decided to contact the list, plus upgrade to 5.0 just in case. So, I guess there is not much I can do at my end. Heavy sigh... Thanks all the same, Scott ... and, a confession. Having seen online for years now your brilliant graphical work, Scott Rossi was one of the names I was very much hoping to read in my email's From: box. As always, it's amazing the generosity that the professionals on this list extend towards us groundlings. Cheers! -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
Thanks for the 32 bit tip Scott. Regards, Debdoot On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:41 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: I'm pretty sure the issue is LiveCode, not you. See an example here: http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/LC_antialias_issue.jpg LiveCode has had antialiasing issues for years (try creating a sharp line using an even line width in LC -- can't be done when antialiasing is enabled). My guess is whatever routines are being used to antialias object edges are also being applied to edges of images and producing less then desirable results. BTW, the image format you want is 32 bit PNG. And, yes, it is worth the bother, so we can get good results using native graphics effects, and keep apps efficient, instead having to go outside LiveCode and hard code graphic effects into images. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: Hello, I'm using Fireworks 2004 to create transparent images of alphabet letters that I import onto an LC stack using LC's File Import menu. Problem is, when in LC I set dropshadow and innershadow there is still a teeny little bit of jaggedness noticeable between the image itself and the inner/outer shadows. As attempts to a solution, in Fireworks I've tried: -- the various Anti-alias options (smooth, crisp) -- a PNG8 file export, with either/or Alpha- and Index-transparency (whatever those mean!), and with either/or no-Matte and Matte of a color either/or exact or similar to the image color -- a PNG32 file export (no option available for Alpha- or Index-transparency) ... and in LC I've messed around with the various dropshadow/innershadow settings, including Filter from Gaussian down to box3pass. As I say, the jaggedness is quite slight. Some might say it's not even worth the bother. But, if I notice it, my finicky Japanese learners will too. Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
Thanks for the kind words, but I really just want to see good graphic/image support in LiveCode like anybody else :-) Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: I'm pretty sure the issue is LiveCode, not you. I thought so too. Cause, within Fireworks, visual effects such as shadowing are clean and jagged-less. But when LC applies graphic effects, that is when the imperfections arise. And that is also when I decided to contact the list, plus upgrade to 5.0 just in case. So, I guess there is not much I can do at my end. Heavy sigh... Thanks all the same, Scott ... and, a confession. Having seen online for years now your brilliant graphical work, Scott Rossi was one of the names I was very much hoping to read in my email's From: box. As always, it's amazing the generosity that the professionals on this list extend towards us groundlings. Cheers! -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
[OT] images: best transparent format
Hello, I'm using Fireworks 2004 to create transparent images of alphabet letters that I import onto an LC stack using LC's File Import menu. Problem is, when in LC I set dropshadow and innershadow there is still a teeny little bit of jaggedness noticeable between the image itself and the inner/outer shadows. As attempts to a solution, in Fireworks I've tried: -- the various Anti-alias options (smooth, crisp) -- a PNG8 file export, with either/or Alpha- and Index-transparency (whatever those mean!), and with either/or no-Matte and Matte of a color either/or exact or similar to the image color -- a PNG32 file export (no option available for Alpha- or Index-transparency) ... and in LC I've messed around with the various dropshadow/innershadow settings, including Filter from Gaussian down to box3pass. As I say, the jaggedness is quite slight. Some might say it's not even worth the bother. But, if I notice it, my finicky Japanese learners will too. Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
On 10/30/2011 01:36 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: Hello, I'm using Fireworks 2004 to create transparent images of alphabet letters that I import onto an LC stack using LC's File Import menu. Problem is, when in LC I set dropshadow and innershadow there is still a teeny little bit of jaggedness noticeable between the image itself and the inner/outer shadows. As attempts to a solution, Try GIMP: http://www.gimp.org/ in Fireworks I've tried: -- the various Anti-alias options (smooth, crisp) -- a PNG8 file export, with either/or Alpha- and Index-transparency (whatever those mean!), and with either/or no-Matte and Matte of a color either/or exact or similar to the image color -- a PNG32 file export (no option available for Alpha- or Index-transparency) ... and in LC I've messed around with the various dropshadow/innershadow settings, including Filter from Gaussian down to box3pass. As I say, the jaggedness is quite slight. Some might say it's not even worth the bother. But, if I notice it, my finicky Japanese learners will too. Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
Try Sumo Paint On-line. Transparency is supported, and it can save as PNG. It's like having Photoshop Lite inside your browser. http://www.sumopaint.com/app/ ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
On 10/30/2011 05:32 PM, Roger Eller wrote: Try Sumo Paint On-line. Transparency is supported, and it can save as PNG. It's like having Photoshop Lite inside your browser. http://www.sumopaint.com/app/ The emphasis being on Lite (which is, itself a bad sign, as somebody has economised on letters and spelt a 'Lite' version of 'Light'; which, to a certain school of thought means ONLY bad spelling). One of the snags of Sumo Paint (compared with GIMP) is that one cannot save images to one's computer with layers and so forth preserved, that can, later, be edited in other graphic programs. To me, at least, Sumo Paint, seems to contain a small subset of the capabilities of GIMP + it will not work unless one has an internet connexion. ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Richmond wrote: On 10/30/2011 05:32 PM, Roger Eller wrote: Try Sumo Paint On-line. Transparency is supported, and it can save as PNG. It's like having Photoshop Lite inside your browser. http://www.sumopaint.com/app/ The emphasis being on Lite (which is, itself a bad sign, as somebody has economised on letters and spelt a 'Lite' version of 'Light'; which, to a certain school of thought means ONLY bad spelling). One of the snags of Sumo Paint (compared with GIMP) is that one cannot save images to one's computer with layers and so forth preserved, that can, later, be edited in other graphic programs. To me, at least, Sumo Paint, seems to contain a small subset of the capabilities of GIMP + it will not work unless one has an internet connexion. I should have known better than to abbreviate a word when communicating with a school teacher. Sorry. ;-) Since everywhere I work seems to have an internet connection, but doesn't always have GIMP or Photoshop, or admin rights to install software, in a pinch, you can at least create/edit images with transparency with SumoPaint. I love GIMP, but sometimes other options are good to have too. ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
On 10/30/2011 08:37 PM, Roger Eller wrote: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Richmond wrote: On 10/30/2011 05:32 PM, Roger Eller wrote: Try Sumo Paint On-line. Transparency is supported, and it can save as PNG. It's like having Photoshop Lite inside your browser. http://www.sumopaint.com/app/ The emphasis being on Lite (which is, itself a bad sign, as somebody has economised on letters and spelt a 'Lite' version of 'Light'; which, to a certain school of thought means ONLY bad spelling). One of the snags of Sumo Paint (compared with GIMP) is that one cannot save images to one's computer with layers and so forth preserved, that can, later, be edited in other graphic programs. To me, at least, Sumo Paint, seems to contain a small subset of the capabilities of GIMP + it will not work unless one has an internet connexion. I should have known better than to abbreviate a word when communicating with a school teacher. Sorry. ;-) Since everywhere I work seems to have an internet connection, but doesn't always have GIMP or Photoshop, or admin rights to install software, in a pinch, you can at least create/edit images with transparency with SumoPaint. I love GIMP, but sometimes other options are good to have too. Obviously Sumopaint is useful if one cannot install software on somebody else's computer. I have mucked around with it, but, as in my case I always have some sort of machine I can install GIMP on (and tend to run around with a CD in my bag containing Mac and Win versions of the thing), I have never really taken it all that seriously. The thing I find very odd indeed, is not people referring to Sumopaint, but the assumption that Photoshop is still cock of the rock, when I am not sure it is anymore . . . There are quite a few open source apps 'out-and-about', as well as some Free, closed-source ones (I am keen on Xara extreme - Linux only, unfortunately). There are quite a few small apps that are freely available which can produce gifs or pngs with transparent areas without horribly jaggy edges. ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
I'm afraid my question is becoming a discussion about image software. What my question was actually about was how to create and/or export transparent images with perfectly non-jagged (or dithered) edges. Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
When you save a png you should get options about how many bits there are, and whether there is transparency. If you see an option to have either 32 bit, or 24 bit and transparency selected, then those should work perfectly in LiveCode. At least it does for me. Look too to see if there is a Save for Web and Devices option in Fireworks (I don't have it installed on my machine at the moment, so can't check). In Photoshop, if you Save As PNG, you're likely to get white premultiplied into the image. Saving for web makes a PNG that doesn't premultiply the background color. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: I'm afraid my question is becoming a discussion about image software. What my question was actually about was how to create and/or export transparent images with perfectly non-jagged (or dithered) edges. Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto I've used SumoPaint and Gimp to make transparent PNGs that I have used in my own LiveCode projects. You should give them a try and see if either will meet your expectations. Both are free, but SumoPaint requires a live internet connection. ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
Hi Nicholas, Your best bet might be Illustrator. Create a shape and then export for web/devices as 24bit png. The results are slightly superior to Photoshop when it comes to dithering edges. Copying vectors using the clipboard yields better results when moving between apps. Higher res composition scaled down in the last step helps too. Things get tricky when the images are small (even with vector). Hope this helps. Regards, Debdoot On Oct 30, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Roger Eller wrote: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: I'm afraid my question is becoming a discussion about image software. What my question was actually about was how to create and/or export transparent images with perfectly non-jagged (or dithered) edges. Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto I've used SumoPaint and Gimp to make transparent PNGs that I have used in my own LiveCode projects. You should give them a try and see if either will meet your expectations. Both are free, but SumoPaint requires a live internet connection. ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
Fireworks is a preferred application for a lot of people making PNG web graphics, so even if any number of other applications can also make PNGs, ones from Fireworks should be working perfectly well. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] images: best transparent format
I'm pretty sure the issue is LiveCode, not you. See an example here: http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/LC_antialias_issue.jpg LiveCode has had antialiasing issues for years (try creating a sharp line using an even line width in LC -- can't be done when antialiasing is enabled). My guess is whatever routines are being used to antialias object edges are also being applied to edges of images and producing less then desirable results. BTW, the image format you want is 32 bit PNG. And, yes, it is worth the bother, so we can get good results using native graphics effects, and keep apps efficient, instead having to go outside LiveCode and hard code graphic effects into images. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: Hello, I'm using Fireworks 2004 to create transparent images of alphabet letters that I import onto an LC stack using LC's File Import menu. Problem is, when in LC I set dropshadow and innershadow there is still a teeny little bit of jaggedness noticeable between the image itself and the inner/outer shadows. As attempts to a solution, in Fireworks I've tried: -- the various Anti-alias options (smooth, crisp) -- a PNG8 file export, with either/or Alpha- and Index-transparency (whatever those mean!), and with either/or no-Matte and Matte of a color either/or exact or similar to the image color -- a PNG32 file export (no option available for Alpha- or Index-transparency) ... and in LC I've messed around with the various dropshadow/innershadow settings, including Filter from Gaussian down to box3pass. As I say, the jaggedness is quite slight. Some might say it's not even worth the bother. But, if I notice it, my finicky Japanese learners will too. Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
