Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
Lois, Le Corps Politique, et Fromage . . . :) C'est un fable ancien, mes vieux. On 01/12/2011 07:08 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Not ticket, no laundry. Bob On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Heather- Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:44:36 AM, you wrote: You know the rules, no politics, no cheese! No shirt, no service -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
Waaat a doggone minute! Take your political shot and then call cooties?? NO FAIR! The budget crisis there, ANY government budget crisis ANYWHERE, is NEVER due to tax policies. It's due to insanely irresponsible politicians spending money they do not have, and then signing into law binding contracts to continue to spend money perpetually without funding it, in exchange for favors from the benefitting parties. Saying budget crises are the result of tax policies is like saying credit card debt is the result of low interest rates! IT'S THE RESULT OF THE CARDHOLDER SPENDING TOO MUCH!!! Okay now I'm done. Besides this is not a discussion about politics, it's a discussion about economics. Bob On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:14 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: Actually, Texans are about to discover that their state faces an enormous budget crisis stemming from their regressive tax policy. But this is getting wy off topic, and I think we should keep politics off this list. Besides, Texas doesn't have any cheese worth mentioning:-) (now I've crossed the line!) -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Waaat a doggone minute! Take your political shot and then call cooties?? NO FAIR! The budget crisis there, ANY government budget crisis ANYWHERE, is NEVER due to tax policies. It's due to insanely irresponsible politicians spending money they do not have, and then signing into law binding contracts to continue to spend money perpetually without funding it, in exchange for favors from the benefitting parties. Saying budget crises are the result of tax policies is like saying credit card debt is the result of low interest rates! IT'S THE RESULT OF THE CARDHOLDER SPENDING TOO MUCH!!! Okay now I'm done. Besides this is not a discussion about politics, it's a discussion about economics. And cheese. Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
Peter, thats cause those cows are for eatin, not milkin! cheese is that yeller stuff you put on the burgers! cheers jeff (who has about 150 texan relatives) On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Besides, Texas doesn't have any cheese worth mentioning:-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
Hi all, Am 11.01.2011 um 20:44 schrieb Heather Nagey: I distinctly heard the word cheese mentioned several times... You know the rules, no politics, no cheese! Shocked. Listmom damn, I knew this wouldn't go unnoticed... :-D Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
No cover, no minimum, no floor. -- *Kelly Freas, Mad magazine* On 11 January 2011 20:14, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Heather- Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:44:36 AM, you wrote: You know the rules, no politics, no cheese! No shirt, no service -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
No tickee, no washee. On 1/11/11 11:34 PM, stephen barncard wrote: No cover, no minimum, no floor. -- *Kelly Freas, Mad magazine* On 11 January 2011 20:14, Mark Wiedermwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Heather- Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:44:36 AM, you wrote: You know the rules, no politics, no cheese! No shirt, no service -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
(In fact, in Texas, I'm allowed to shoot a robber as he's carrying out a TV, in the back, who is robbing my neighbor's house...while they're away... Yep, we don't have too many home invasions here. And we balance our budget each year). :-p LIKE! -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
Nah... I'm not moving to Texas. You've gone soft! In the 70's you could shout your wife for infidelity and get away with it. In Texas until 1974, a husband who killed a wife and her lover when he caught them in flagrante delicto was not judged a criminal. In fact, the law held that a reasonable man would respond to such extreme provocation with acts of violence. - sourcehttp://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-92216.html On 8 January 2011 06:13, Chipp Walters ch...@altuit.com wrote: I'm with you. In fact I believe if you don't lock your car, you should have it stolen. And anyone stupid enough to never lock their house deserves to be robbed at gunpoint and pistol whipped. And don't get me started about if you're so stupid to not know how to program in Objective-C... Chipp Walters Who doesn't really know any Objective-C And who sometimes uses the word password.. And who lives in Texas in a sometimes unlocked house and car and tractor and truck And who has a big gun and the Texas law on his side anytime he needs to use it. (In fact, in Texas, I'm allowed to shoot a robber as he's carrying out a TV, in the back, who is robbing my neighbor's house...while they're away... Yep, we don't have too many home invasions here. And we balance our budget each year). :-p On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: I agree that a lot of people use crappy passwords. It is my somewhat controversial opinion however, given that this is the 21st century, that those people really deserve to lose everything they protect with such passwords. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
1974... That was right around the time that the first crop of liberally oriented students were reaching voting age wasn't it? Bob On Jan 10, 2011, at 8:58 AM, David Bovill wrote: Nah... I'm not moving to Texas. You've gone soft! In the 70's you could shout your wife for infidelity and get away with it. In Texas until 1974, a husband who killed a wife and her lover when he caught them in flagrante delicto was not judged a criminal. In fact, the law held that a reasonable man would respond to such extreme provocation with acts of violence. - sourcehttp://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-92216.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
I'm gonna move to the United State of Texas! Bob Hummm... sorry, Bob. Officially it was named The Republic Of Texas and as a native Texan (currently transplanted north of the red river), I'm always ready to head back home should that name ever be applied again. Even better: Should it ever happen, maybe they will decide to initially use a Texas birth certificate as a prerequisite for terms of permanent citizenship. ;-) @Chipp: ...spoken like a true Texan. Love it! Best regards, David C. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that these people got a trojan on a Windows machine which logged their keyboard while the users were accessing their iTunes accounts. Otherwise I think it would have been a whole helluvalot more. Everything Apple does with security is AES based. I have not heard of anyone trying to crack an AES hash. I went to a security conference once, where they announced that to crack an MD5 hash (think Windows XP/2000 Logins) a fairly complex password could be brute forced in anywhere from 5 minutes to two hours. The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. Bob On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: While only 50,000 of the several million accounts have been hacked, it may be good to err on the safe side and review the recent transactions for your account and update the password; I just did both here. Hacked iTunes accounts sold online http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2011-01/609351.html More: http://www.google.com/search?q=Hacked+Apple+iTunes+accounts+sell+in+China -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
Your login credentials are not in your cookie. Bob On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Good reminder, Richard ! Done. I noticed that we are not automatically disconnected when we quit the (Mac) App Store (probably some kind of cookie around) as long as we don't explicitly pick-up the Store - Disconnect menu item before quitting. Best regards, Pierre Le 7 janv. 2011 à 16:14, Richard Gaskin a écrit : While only 50,000 of the several million accounts have been hacked, it may be good to err on the safe side and review the recent transactions for your account and update the password; I just did both here. Hacked iTunes accounts sold online http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2011-01/609351.html More: http://www.google.com/search?q=Hacked+Apple+iTunes+accounts+sell+in+China -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. From Wikipedia: A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3×1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
I think that means it would take it that long to produce the unencypted passwords for every conceivable hash to produce a lookup table, and even so, there is no database in existence that could store it. Bob On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. From Wikipedia: A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3×1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
Maybe but is there actual proof of hacking - or could this be the far more likely human trait of stupidity? Perhaps these 50,000 accounts just belong to the numpties whose password = 'password', '12345' or similar? On 7 Jan 2011, at 16:57, Colin Holgate wrote: On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. From Wikipedia: A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3×1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
...I still wonder whether this is evidence of Apple security being compromised (big problem for all) versus a simple numbers game exploiting user stupidity/laziness (more fool them). A web-crawler captures publicly listed email addresses, these then get tested as iTunes logins, coupled with the top-10 worst passwords. The surprising stat would be if there are merely 50,000 iTunes users that are that sufficiently stupid and/or lazy? There are probably more than 50,000 youtube videos showing monitors in the background that are covered in post-its with passwords and banking details! :-) On 7 Jan 2011, at 17:28, Bob Sneidar wrote: I think hacking is a term that is used loosely to mean any kind of security compromise. It's used mostly by the media who are communicating with a market that in the lowest common denominator would not be able to define the difference between a hack and a crack, or a virus and a trojan. That is why I believe this is the result of some kind of key logging trojan. If someone found a way to successfully hack an iTunes store account, the number would not be 55,000 it would be more like 5,000,000. Bob On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Keith Clarke wrote: Maybe but is there actual proof of hacking - or could this be the far more likely human trait of stupidity? Perhaps these 50,000 accounts just belong to the numpties whose password = 'password', '12345' or similar? On 7 Jan 2011, at 16:57, Colin Holgate wrote: On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. From Wikipedia: A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3×1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
I'm willing to bet that you will disable your account for a period of time if you type in the wrong username/password 10 times. Every reputable web site that requires security does this now to foil brute force bots. I cannot believe Apple would overlook that issue. Bob On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Keith Clarke wrote: ...I still wonder whether this is evidence of Apple security being compromised (big problem for all) versus a simple numbers game exploiting user stupidity/laziness (more fool them). A web-crawler captures publicly listed email addresses, these then get tested as iTunes logins, coupled with the top-10 worst passwords. The surprising stat would be if there are merely 50,000 iTunes users that are that sufficiently stupid and/or lazy? There are probably more than 50,000 youtube videos showing monitors in the background that are covered in post-its with passwords and banking details! :-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
I'm with you. In fact I believe if you don't lock your car, you should have it stolen. And anyone stupid enough to never lock their house deserves to be robbed at gunpoint and pistol whipped. And don't get me started about if you're so stupid to not know how to program in Objective-C... Chipp Walters Who doesn't really know any Objective-C And who sometimes uses the word password.. And who lives in Texas in a sometimes unlocked house and car and tractor and truck And who has a big gun and the Texas law on his side anytime he needs to use it. (In fact, in Texas, I'm allowed to shoot a robber as he's carrying out a TV, in the back, who is robbing my neighbor's house...while they're away... Yep, we don't have too many home invasions here. And we balance our budget each year). :-p On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: I agree that a lot of people use crappy passwords. It is my somewhat controversial opinion however, given that this is the 21st century, that those people really deserve to lose everything they protect with such passwords. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
