Re: Mobile development android vs ios

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I'm still working on my first time flawless build! :-)

Bob S


> On Nov 9, 2019, at 16:32 , Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't expect 100% first time flawlessness.  But is there anything I
> should keep in mind as I do this?


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Re: Mobile development android vs ios

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

That should work. My current app has a header and footer that are 
definitely Android Material design. To make the header like iOS I need to 
center the text and use a chevron instead of an arrow. There are other 
things like that, minor tweaks mostly, but if you have an original layout 
you're probably in good shape. I followed the Material Design guidelines 
strictly, right down to the pixel for size and placement.


Apple's submission guidelines state that an app that looks like "another 
OS" is grounds for rejection but I don't know how much they enforce that. 
It's been a while since I needed to submit to the App Store, but I'll be 
finding out soon.


I have to agree with Swami that I prefer Android OS. I think Apple has lost 
its way over the years.


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On November 10, 2019 4:09:48 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Thanks to you both for your valublue input.

My plan was to use the same design for both using custom button controls vs
native ones.

The app does center around a book, but its not just that...there is a lot
of functionality around it for the student.

I'll try to make sure it looks unique enough to not look like android and
not look like ios :)  That should work.

Thanks,

Tom

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 4:28 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
 wrote:


"Call me contrary". but the more I look at the Android UI the more I like
the principles. I also seems that Apple likes it too. In iOS 13.2 they
"finally" have a near 100% for delete an app, like Android.

If you went with Android UI, and use your own icons and widgets,
a) Apple won't complain,  (it doesn't emulate a "apple app")
b) I could be under-estimating users need for "ever has the same"
Though other may object, if you have "real" contents  -- I don't think the
users will care how it work, as long as it works "well"

Just my two cents for someone who would rather work on building content,
than on device alternative UI's.


BR






You can get around some of this by using only unique custom icons and
buttons sometimes. But title bar appearance and control placement are
pretty much expected. I found this link to be helpful:
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Re: Mobile development android vs ios

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Thanks to you both for your valublue input.

My plan was to use the same design for both using custom button controls vs
native ones.

The app does center around a book, but its not just that...there is a lot
of functionality around it for the student.

I'll try to make sure it looks unique enough to not look like android and
not look like ios :)  That should work.

Thanks,

Tom

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 4:28 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
 wrote:

> "Call me contrary". but the more I look at the Android UI the more I like
> the principles. I also seems that Apple likes it too. In iOS 13.2 they
> "finally" have a near 100% for delete an app, like Android.
>
> If you went with Android UI, and use your own icons and widgets,
> a) Apple won't complain,  (it doesn't emulate a "apple app")
> b) I could be under-estimating users need for "ever has the same"
> Though other may object, if you have "real" contents  -- I don't think the
> users will care how it work, as long as it works "well"
>
> Just my two cents for someone who would rather work on building content,
> than on device alternative UI's.
>
>
> BR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You can get around some of this by using only unique custom icons and
> buttons sometimes. But title bar appearance and control placement are
> pretty much expected. I found this link to be helpful:
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Re: Mobile development android vs ios

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

"Call me contrary". but the more I look at the Android UI the more I like the 
principles. I also seems that Apple likes it too. In iOS 13.2 they "finally" 
have a near 100% for delete an app, like Android.

If you went with Android UI, and use your own icons and widgets,
a) Apple won't complain,  (it doesn't emulate a "apple app")
b) I could be under-estimating users need for "ever has the same"
Though other may object, if you have "real" contents  -- I don't think the 
users will care how it work, as long as it works "well"

Just my two cents for someone who would rather work on building content, than 
on device alternative UI's.


BR






You can get around some of this by using only unique custom icons and
buttons sometimes. But title bar appearance and control placement are
pretty much expected. I found this link to be helpful:
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Re: Mobile development android vs ios

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 11/9/19 6:32 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:

I don't expect 100% first time flawlessness.  But is there anything I
should keep in mind as I do this?


As Swami mentioned, if it works in Android it's likely to mostly work in 
iOS too. But depending on your layout, you may need to design different 
interfaces for each OS. Apple is a bit particular about that and will 
reject an app that looks like an Android port. I'm not sure if Google 
will do the same, they're more flexible, but Android users won't 
appreciate an app that looks like it belongs on iOS.


So basically, your scripts probably won't need much alteration but the 
appearance might. The location of navigation bars and other controls, 
fonts, text alignment, button appearance, icons, and other visual 
properties varies by OS. Each OS has its own standard appearance.


You can get around some of this by using only unique custom icons and 
buttons sometimes. But title bar appearance and control placement are 
pretty much expected. I found this link to be helpful:

<https://medium.com/@chunchuanlin/android-vs-ios-compare-20-ui-components-patterns-part-1-ad33c2418b45>



My application is pretty straight forward.app version of a
book.jsut a pretty basic interface, livecloud.io integration via tsnet.


If your app is just a book, Apple may not accept it into the App Store. 
They want all books to go into the iBooks store and they may direct you 
there when you submit.


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Re: Mobile development android vs ios

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Thank you I will definitely test as soon as I am able to and definitely
before submission.



On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 9:32 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> After several years, I can say that if it works Android it will 'probably'
> work for iOS.
>
> Not always the other way.
>
> That is, after we get LC 9.6, as there are things now breaking on iOS,
> that work on Android. Also if you have friends with a iPhone, TestFlight
> will allow them to test the app.
>
> BR
>
>
>
> I don't expect 100% first time flawlessness.  But is there anything I
> should keep in mind as I do this?
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Re: Mobile development android vs ios

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

After several years, I can say that if it works Android it will 'probably' work 
for iOS.

Not always the other way.

That is, after we get LC 9.6, as there are things now breaking on iOS, that 
work on Android. Also if you have friends with a iPhone, TestFlight will allow 
them to test the app.

BR



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Mobile development android vs ios

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi Folks,

After 6+ years with LC I am just now starting some mobile development.

I don't currently own an ios device and would like to just carry on
development on android assuming that if I do a good and careful job my
application will work on ios when I finally make the builds.

I don't expect 100% first time flawlessness.  But is there anything I
should keep in mind as I do this?

My application is pretty straight forward.app version of a
book.jsut a pretty basic interface, livecloud.io integration via tsnet.

Is there anything different between touch commands on ios vs android?

Thanks

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Re: Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS?

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On 07/26/2017 09:14 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:


this will definitivley go into the top ten of my "extremely cheap excuses" 
collection! 8-)


Heh.

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Re: Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS?

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Panos,

> Am 26.07.2017 um 17:47 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Indeed, a AWS S3 script library was added on Indy and Business editions of
> LC 9.0 DP-8.
> 
> Unfortunately the docs for that library were not extracted in the 9.0 DP-8
> Dictionary (this required an extra step since the dictionary entries had to
> be extracted from a password protected stack).

this will definitivley go into the top ten of my "extremely cheap excuses" 
collection! 8-)

> However, they will be present in LC 9.0 DP-9 :)

Go figure! :-D

> Best,
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Re: Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS?

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi all,

Indeed, a AWS S3 script library was added on Indy and Business editions of
LC 9.0 DP-8.

Unfortunately the docs for that library were not extracted in the 9.0 DP-8
Dictionary (this required an extra step since the dictionary entries had to
be extracted from a password protected stack).

However, they will be present in LC 9.0 DP-9 :)

Best,
Panos
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On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Klaus,
> i just checked the inclusions in standalone application builder in LC9 DP8
> again.
> There is an entry for mergAWS and also an other entry for “Amazon Web
> Services” right after Remote Debugger.
> In LC 8.1.6 this is not listed.
> So it seems there is now support for AWS in DP8 for all platforms.
>
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Matthias Rebbe
> +49 5741 31
> ‌matthiasrebbe.eu <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/>‌
>
> > Am 26.07.2017 um 17:27 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> >
> > Ah, then it seems to be an error that it is listed for the other
> platforms under inclusions.
> >
> > Matthias Rebbe
> > +49 5741 31
> > ‌matthiasrebbe.eu <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/ <
> http://matthiasrebbe.eu/>>‌
> >
> >> Am 26.07.2017 um 17:19 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.
> runrev.com>>>:
> >>
> >> Hi Matthias and Todd,
> >>
> >>> Am 26.07.2017 um 17:04 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.
> runrev.com>>>:
> >>>
> >>> In LC 9DP8 Business in Standalone Application Settings under
> Inclusions  Amazon WebServices is listed for Mac,Win,Linux,iOS and Android.
> >>> And in the folder Toolset there is a file aws.livecode
> >>>
> >>> But i cannot find an entry for it in the dictionary.
> >>
> >> ther MERGEXT externals collection (included in LC) support this, but is
> Mac and iOS only.
> >> Check the dictionary for "aws..."
> >>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Matthias
> >>>
> >>> Matthias Rebbe
> >>> +49 5741 31
> >>> ‌matthiasrebbe.eu <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/
> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/>> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/ <
> http://matthiasrebbe.eu/> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/ <
> http://matthiasrebbe.eu/>>>‌
> >>>
> >>>> Am 26.07.2017 um 16:34 schrieb Todd Fabacher via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.
> runrev.com>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>>>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you know if there is an Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS for
> LiveCode?
> >>>> We need OAuth and to access audio files to stream them. We are aware
> >>>> of mergAWS but it is ONLY for iOS. Is there an Android solution or
> anything
> >>>> with the new LCB platform???
> >>>>
> >>>> --Todd
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> Klaus
> >>
> >> --
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Re: Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS?

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

> Am 26.07.2017 um 17:34 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Klaus,
> i just checked the inclusions in standalone application builder in LC9 DP8 
> again. 
> There is an entry for mergAWS and also an other entry for “Amazon Web 
> Services” right after Remote Debugger.
> In LC 8.1.6 this is not listed.
> So it seems there is now support for AWS in DP8 for all platforms.

ah, great, now they only need to add some documentation 8-)

> Matthias

Best

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Re: Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS?

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Klaus,
i just checked the inclusions in standalone application builder in LC9 DP8 
again. 
There is an entry for mergAWS and also an other entry for “Amazon Web Services” 
right after Remote Debugger.
In LC 8.1.6 this is not listed.
So it seems there is now support for AWS in DP8 for all platforms.


Matthias


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> Am 26.07.2017 um 17:27 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Ah, then it seems to be an error that it is listed for the other platforms 
> under inclusions.
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> +49 5741 31
> ‌matthiasrebbe.eu <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/ 
> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/>>‌
> 
>> Am 26.07.2017 um 17:19 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>>:
>> 
>> Hi Matthias and Todd,
>> 
>>> Am 26.07.2017 um 17:04 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>>:
>>> 
>>> In LC 9DP8 Business in Standalone Application Settings under Inclusions  
>>> Amazon WebServices is listed for Mac,Win,Linux,iOS and Android.
>>> And in the folder Toolset there is a file aws.livecode
>>> 
>>> But i cannot find an entry for it in the dictionary.
>> 
>> ther MERGEXT externals collection (included in LC) support this, but is Mac 
>> and iOS only.
>> Check the dictionary for "aws..."
>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>> +49 5741 31
>>> ‌matthiasrebbe.eu <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/ 
>>> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/>> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/ 
>>> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/ 
>>> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/>>>‌
>>> 
>>>> Am 26.07.2017 um 16:34 schrieb Todd Fabacher via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Do you know if there is an Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS for LiveCode?
>>>> We need OAuth and to access audio files to stream them. We are aware
>>>> of mergAWS but it is ONLY for iOS. Is there an Android solution or anything
>>>> with the new LCB platform???
>>>> 
>>>> --Todd
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
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>> http://www.major-k.de <http://www.major-k.de/> <http://www.major-k.de/ 
>> <http://www.major-k.de/>>
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Re: Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS?

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Ah, then it seems to be an error that it is listed for the other platforms 
under inclusions.

Matthias Rebbe
+49 5741 31
‌matthiasrebbe.eu <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/>‌

> Am 26.07.2017 um 17:19 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Hi Matthias and Todd,
> 
>> Am 26.07.2017 um 17:04 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> In LC 9DP8 Business in Standalone Application Settings under Inclusions  
>> Amazon WebServices is listed for Mac,Win,Linux,iOS and Android.
>> And in the folder Toolset there is a file aws.livecode
>> 
>> But i cannot find an entry for it in the dictionary.
> 
> ther MERGEXT externals collection (included in LC) support this, but is Mac 
> and iOS only.
> Check the dictionary for "aws..."
> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> +49 5741 31
>> ‌matthiasrebbe.eu <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/ 
>> <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/>>‌
>> 
>>> Am 26.07.2017 um 16:34 schrieb Todd Fabacher via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>>:
>>> 
>>> Do you know if there is an Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS for LiveCode?
>>> We need OAuth and to access audio files to stream them. We are aware
>>> of mergAWS but it is ONLY for iOS. Is there an Android solution or anything
>>> with the new LCB platform???
>>> 
>>> --Todd
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
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Re: Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS?

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias and Todd,

> Am 26.07.2017 um 17:04 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> In LC 9DP8 Business in Standalone Application Settings under Inclusions  
> Amazon WebServices is listed for Mac,Win,Linux,iOS and Android.
> And in the folder Toolset there is a file aws.livecode
> 
> But i cannot find an entry for it in the dictionary.

ther MERGEXT externals collection (included in LC) support this, but is Mac and 
iOS only.
Check the dictionary for "aws..."

> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> +49 5741 31
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> 
>> Am 26.07.2017 um 16:34 schrieb Todd Fabacher via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> Do you know if there is an Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS for LiveCode?
>> We need OAuth and to access audio files to stream them. We are aware
>> of mergAWS but it is ONLY for iOS. Is there an Android solution or anything
>> with the new LCB platform???
>> 
>> --Todd

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Re: Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS?

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

In LC 9DP8 Business in Standalone Application Settings under Inclusions  Amazon 
WebServices is listed for Mac,Win,Linux,iOS and Android.
And in the folder Toolset there is a file aws.livecode

But i cannot find an entry for it in the dictionary.

Regards,
Matthias

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> Am 26.07.2017 um 16:34 schrieb Todd Fabacher via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Do you know if there is an Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS for LiveCode?
> We need OAuth and to access audio files to stream them. We are aware
> of mergAWS but it is ONLY for iOS. Is there an Android solution or anything
> with the new LCB platform???
> 
> --Todd
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Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS?

[Todd Fabacher via use-livecode]

Do you know if there is an Amazon S3 lib for Android and iOS for LiveCode?
We need OAuth and to access audio files to stream them. We are aware
of mergAWS but it is ONLY for iOS. Is there an Android solution or anything
with the new LCB platform???

--Todd
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The Achilles heel of Android and iOS

[Alejandro Tejada]

Hi All,

Thanks for sharing many
interesting points of view.

On Sat Sep 24 2016, Kay C Lan wrote:

> And you wonder why people are so eager to go out
> and buy the latest and greatest when they can't even
> tell the difference with what they've already got.
> It's not about the phone/shoes/handbag/car, it's about
> the perception of 'the haves' vs 'the have nots'.

If computer technology has become just another
fashion item that buys status, then I understand
how this technological era would comes to an end:
A Popular Phone App, with a zero day
vulnerability...

On Sun Sep 25 2016, Matt Maier wrote:

> Of the two skills, engineering and sales,
> it's the sales skill that's more generally useful
> (provided there are other humans around).
> If an engineer does good engineering
> they STILL have to find a salesman.
> If a salesman does good sales they don't
> necessarily even need a real product
> or service at all.

Good point. This brings to my memory a
conversation about Japan where this
visitor remarked surprised that all middleman
(or salesman) that he visited there while doing
business, were extremely wealthy. The words
that he used was "A life of extravagant luxury"

If you think about it, this is expected because
all Industrial Japanese Products (including mass
media phenomenon like games, movies, music,
etc) have been sold by middlemen, not directly
by their creators.

In USA, the pattern is the same and some of
the richest companies are Middlemen too:
Walmart, Amazon, Google and many more
make their fortune selling other people's creations
and products.

Alejandro

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Re: The Achilles heel of Android and iOS

[Matt Maier]

Of the two skills, engineering and sales, it's the sales skill that's more
generally useful (provided there are other humans around).

If an engineer does good engineering they STILL have to find a salesman.

If a salesman does good sales they don't necessarily even need a real
product or service at all.

Engineers don't like that, but it's as real as the sky being blue. You
don't have to manipulate the laws of physics to create value. All you have
to manipulate are people. And even if you do manipulate the laws of physics
you still have to manipulate people anyway.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 7:31 AM, Kay C Lan  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Alejandro Tejada
>  wrote:
> >
> > Buying a NEW PHONE or Tablet is almost like
> > BURNING MONEY, just for the fun of it.
> >
> > Just imagine this (not so far away) scenario:
> >
> > For any reason, people stop jumping in line
> > to buy the latest and greatest phone or tablet
> > and prefer to wait... and wait... just for a few weeks
> > or even a few months (because time flies
> > when you are busy),
>
> Yes and I have a crystal ball that tells me exactly when that is going
> to happen...
>
> 1st sign - the fashion industry disappears. Men and women no longer
> feel it's necessary to wear 'this season's fashion'. Designer shoe
> shops all disappear because no one needs Jimmy Chu's any more, a
> sensible pair of last year's pumps from Target will do just fine.
>
> 2nd sign - economical city cars, not SUVs (small trucks to the rest of
> the world) become America's most popular vehicle purchase. Men in
> particular no longer base their car purchasing preferences on the size
> of their genitalia.
>
> 3rd sign - Facebook, twitter, instagram and their ilk all fade into
> oblivion because no one feels the need to advertise to the world how
> great their life is, and what wonderful things they have, and how many
> more friends they have.
>
> 4th sign - the nightly news is predominately filled with feel good
> stories about individual random acts of altruism, especially to those
> of different race, religion, social or economic background.
>
> 5th and final sign - the world is in a massive depression that makes
> the 'Great Depression' look like a short period of austerity. Even so,
> people will be buying the latest and greatest with money they don't
> have right up until everything collapses around them and ONLY when no
> one will accept their CREDIT cards will they be FORCED to stop buying.
>
> But just to be clear, even after that day, if Apple is only 10% the
> size of what it is now, or maybe gone all together, someone somewhere
> will have to buy something that is better than what you or I have to
> prove that they are better than you or I.
>
> PS saw an excellent video of a couple of guys who went out to gauge
> user response to the new iPhone 7 the day it was officially announced
> - even though it wasn't actually available.
>
> One guy would ask people in the street if they had an iPhone 6 and if
> they'd like to try the iPhone 7, and if Yes, he told them that a new
> feature was the ability to very quickly migrate ALL user data to the
> iPhone 7 at which point he'd hand it to his colleague to do the
> transfer. Whilst this was happening the interviewer would ask the
> owner a couple of questions whilst the 'technician' simply cleaned the
> iPhone 6, removed the case and put a new one on. They'd then hand back
> the 6 to the owner who was 'amazed' at their data was all just there
> so quickly. And yes, many owners thought the iPhone 7 was smoother and
> brighter - cleaning, who'd have thought; but many also liked the
> lighter feel and faster response???
>
> And you wonder why people are so eager to go out a buy the latest and
> greatest when they can't even tell the difference with what they've
> already got. It's not about the phone/shoes/handbag/car, it's about
> the perception of 'the haves' vs 'the have nots'.
>
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Re: The Achilles heel of Android and iOS

[Kay C Lan]

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Alejandro Tejada
 wrote:
>
> Buying a NEW PHONE or Tablet is almost like
> BURNING MONEY, just for the fun of it.
>
> Just imagine this (not so far away) scenario:
>
> For any reason, people stop jumping in line
> to buy the latest and greatest phone or tablet
> and prefer to wait... and wait... just for a few weeks
> or even a few months (because time flies
> when you are busy),

Yes and I have a crystal ball that tells me exactly when that is going
to happen...

1st sign - the fashion industry disappears. Men and women no longer
feel it's necessary to wear 'this season's fashion'. Designer shoe
shops all disappear because no one needs Jimmy Chu's any more, a
sensible pair of last year's pumps from Target will do just fine.

2nd sign - economical city cars, not SUVs (small trucks to the rest of
the world) become America's most popular vehicle purchase. Men in
particular no longer base their car purchasing preferences on the size
of their genitalia.

3rd sign - Facebook, twitter, instagram and their ilk all fade into
oblivion because no one feels the need to advertise to the world how
great their life is, and what wonderful things they have, and how many
more friends they have.

4th sign - the nightly news is predominately filled with feel good
stories about individual random acts of altruism, especially to those
of different race, religion, social or economic background.

5th and final sign - the world is in a massive depression that makes
the 'Great Depression' look like a short period of austerity. Even so,
people will be buying the latest and greatest with money they don't
have right up until everything collapses around them and ONLY when no
one will accept their CREDIT cards will they be FORCED to stop buying.

But just to be clear, even after that day, if Apple is only 10% the
size of what it is now, or maybe gone all together, someone somewhere
will have to buy something that is better than what you or I have to
prove that they are better than you or I.

PS saw an excellent video of a couple of guys who went out to gauge
user response to the new iPhone 7 the day it was officially announced
- even though it wasn't actually available.

One guy would ask people in the street if they had an iPhone 6 and if
they'd like to try the iPhone 7, and if Yes, he told them that a new
feature was the ability to very quickly migrate ALL user data to the
iPhone 7 at which point he'd hand it to his colleague to do the
transfer. Whilst this was happening the interviewer would ask the
owner a couple of questions whilst the 'technician' simply cleaned the
iPhone 6, removed the case and put a new one on. They'd then hand back
the 6 to the owner who was 'amazed' at their data was all just there
so quickly. And yes, many owners thought the iPhone 7 was smoother and
brighter - cleaning, who'd have thought; but many also liked the
lighter feel and faster response???

And you wonder why people are so eager to go out a buy the latest and
greatest when they can't even tell the difference with what they've
already got. It's not about the phone/shoes/handbag/car, it's about
the perception of 'the haves' vs 'the have nots'.

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The Achilles heel of Android and iOS

[Alejandro Tejada]

The neck-breaking speed of their hardware
obsolescence (planned or not) is
the Achilles heel of Android and iOS...

Take a look of these eye opening charts:
https://priceonomics.com/phones/
http://blog.musicmagpie.co.uk/2016/06/10/how-quickly-does-your-phone-fall-in-value/

Buying a NEW PHONE or Tablet is almost like
BURNING MONEY, just for the fun of it.

Losing (or if you prefer: "paying") 100 or more
dollars monthly, just to hold in your hand
the latest and greatest marvel of modern
electronics is the kind of luxury that grows
tiring real soon... much like social media fatigue:
https://www.foursys.co.uk/pages/article/do-you-suffer-from-social-media-fatigue-you-are-not-alone

Just imagine this (not so far away) scenario:

For any reason, people stop jumping in line
to buy the latest and greatest phone or tablet
and prefer to wait... and wait... just for a few weeks
or even a few months (because time flies
when you are busy), while still using their previous
latest and greatest marvel from just a few months ago.

How many months would Apple or Samsung
or every other phone/tablet maker could last
without selling new hardware to new or repeating
customers?

Maybe Years? Or Months? Or Weeks?

Do you understand how bad is this unhealthy
dependency (dependency on selling new hardware
to repeating and new customers) for the present and
future health of the computer industry?

I foresee easily, (if these trends do not change for better)
a disaster of Titanic's proportions in the computer industry.

Why the computer industry is unable to foresee
the peril and start devising strategies to produce
money from extended support of their older hardware?

Yes, money from supporting their older hardware and
opening a path for their customers to stay and update
within their own line of products.

Recently, I watched up close a Windows XP tablet,
similar to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qvVbPTG5IQ
and surprisingly, the user experience it's not
too far away from today tablets but these
tablet computers are more than 10 years old!

What kind of future is reserved for companies
that treat their customers as disposable?

Al

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Input Fields: Android vs iOS?

[Scott Rossi]

I'm trying to port an iOS app to Android and am running up against some
sizing/positioning issues with native input fields.  When testing on a
Galaxy S4, it seems I need to double the height used in the iOS input
field settings, or the text displays clipped.  Am I missing something when
it comes to establishing the input's rect? Do I need to account for
margins, font specs, or something else?

It also seems the return key options on Android are more limited than
those available on iOS, which is not surprising.  But these issues beg the
question: is there a document somewhere that defines the differences
between input settings on Android vs iOS?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Monte Goulding]

On 25 Apr 2015, at 5:42 am, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote:

 I'm still trying to figure out why my manifest isn't working but yours does. 
 Do you think line endings matter? I've got mine set up with Linux endings.

I'm not sure... I think what you need to do is set a breakpoint in 
revSaveAsAndroidStandalone just before line 652 and work out exactly what error 
is causing it not to generate the manifest.

Cheers

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/23/2015 8:07 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:


OK, here it is... sorry Jacque for leading you up a garden path on
that forum topic we discussed this on.


Thanks Monte. The garden path was productive, it led me to a fix. :)


 However, given your specific case where even if you edit the
manifest in the runtime folder it fails I think there's more to the
problem. I've certainly been able to do that to add permissions that
aren't on the SB dialog etc.


I'm still trying to figure out why my manifest isn't working but yours 
does. Do you think line endings matter? I've got mine set up with Linux 
endings.


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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wilcox wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 23, 2015, at 03:45 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 I'd like to have an app be able to accept data from other programs,
 like when you click the Share button in an image gallery and a list
 of programs pops up that can accept images - I'd like mine to be
 among them.

 I can see from the iOS and Android docs how to register that support
 in the manifest, but the APIs for actually receiving the data appear
 to be lower-level, and I haven't found LiveCode messages for those.

 Am I dreaming, or have I just overlooked something buried in a
 Release Note somewhere?

 Not dreaming. Intents have been around forever on Android but I don't
 believe LiveCode currently supports receiving them. Extensions are iOS
 8+ only, so it's not so surprising that they're not yet supported.

Extensions may be the latest way to do that, but I'm assuming the 
behavior has been around for a while on iOS, no? (I spend embarrassingly 
little time with my iPad)


Since I wrote that post I found this lesson:
http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4069/l/58672-using-custom-url-schemes

It refers to a urlWakeUp message and a mobileGetLaunchUrl function which 
would seem to handle the receiving end well enough.


However, that tutorial only shows how to have two LC apps pass info to 
each other, and not how to allow an LC app to receive data from any 
other app.


This seems to be the role of the intents in the Android manifest, and 
while I haven't yet tried it I'm imagining that once I edit the 
manifest.xml to include my desired intents and add a urlWakeUp handler 
in my app I should be able to get what I'm looking for.


This raises two questions:

1. Before I dive in, does anyone here know why this wouldn't work?

2. If it does work, why doesn't the IDE provide a way for us to include 
intents in the manifest, rather than manually editing the manifest.xml 
file for each app we make?


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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/23/2015 12:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jacque wrote:

  Good luck revising the manifest in Android. I am unable to do that,
  though Monte says it should work and he submitted a fix for it quite
  a while ago.
 
  Forum thread is here:
  http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=75t=23676
 
  We do need a way to provide our own manifest, or edit the existing
  one:
 
  http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11531

Thanks, Jacque.

Looks like Monte's already submitted a pull request (thanks Monte!), so
hopefully it won't be much longer.



Except that he submitted the request 5 months ago.

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/23/2015 12:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

However, that tutorial only shows how to have two LC apps pass info to
each other, and not how to allow an LC app to receive data from any
other app.

This seems to be the role of the intents in the Android manifest, and
while I haven't yet tried it I'm imagining that once I edit the
manifest.xml to include my desired intents and add a urlWakeUp handler
in my app I should be able to get what I'm looking for.

This raises two questions:

1. Before I dive in, does anyone here know why this wouldn't work?

2. If it does work, why doesn't the IDE provide a way for us to include
intents in the manifest, rather than manually editing the manifest.xml
file for each app we make?


Good luck revising the manifest in Android. I am unable to do that, 
though Monte says it should work and he submitted a fix for it quite a 
while ago.


Forum thread is here: 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=75t=23676


We do need a way to provide our own manifest, or edit the existing one:

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11531

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Mark Wilcox]

 On 23 Apr 2015, at 18:43, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:
 
 1. Before I dive in, does anyone here know why this wouldn't work?

Custom URLs and Intents are two different systems. The former requires the app 
you receive data from to know about your custom URL scheme. The same exists on 
both iOS and Android. Intents on the other hand, in common with the new iOS 
extensions, allow your app to register as a potential recipient of certain 
common actions.

In both cases you need something different than a URL handler to do the 
receiving.

I don't think Intent handling would be particularly difficult to add to the 
engine. Extensions on iOS would be more complex as the different types have 
their own APIs.

Mark
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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Richard Gaskin]

Jacque wrote:

 Good luck revising the manifest in Android. I am unable to do that,
 though Monte says it should work and he submitted a fix for it quite
 a while ago.

 Forum thread is here:
 http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=75t=23676

 We do need a way to provide our own manifest, or edit the existing
 one:

 http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11531

Thanks, Jacque.

Looks like Monte's already submitted a pull request (thanks Monte!), so 
hopefully it won't be much longer.


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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Richard Gaskin]

Jacque wrote:

 On 4/23/2015 12:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 Looks like Monte's already submitted a pull request (thanks Monte!),
 so hopefully it won't be much longer.

 Except that he submitted the request 5 months ago.

I'm an optimist. :)

Unless there's some technical reason this is murky, it seems like a 
high-ROI thing to do: they fold in one pull request and a bunch of us 
get to add nifty new things to our apps to make them much more useful - 
and make LC look that much better as well.


Kinda hard to think of a reason not to do it.

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Richard Gaskin]

Monte Goulding wrote:

 On 24 Apr 2015, at 11:38 am, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 In my rabid desire for this it seems I've misunderstood what
 the urlWakeUp message and mobileGetLaunchUrl function are for.

 My hope was that urlWakeUp would launch my app and allow me to
 respond with a card designed for handing such requests, and the
 path to the image (or browser URL or whatever else is being
 shared) would be obtainable from mobileGetLaunchUrl.

 If not for this purpose, what are those for?

 These are for handling custom url protocols.

Right.  I had mistakenly thought that was the mechanism for intents.

If not for inter-app communications, what's the point of urkWakeUp?

Who uses that, and what for?

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Monte Goulding]

On 24 Apr 2015, at 1:41 pm, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:

 Right.  I had mistakenly thought that was the mechanism for intents.
 
 If not for inter-app communications, what's the point of urkWakeUp?
 
 Who uses that, and what for?

On iOS the Dropbox app uses it for authentication for third party apps. I'm 
sure there's lots of ways you could use it like launching an app from a link in 
a browser. From memory iOS falls back to http if the protocol is unable to be 
handled so you can imagine how you might use that to suggest someone installs 
your app etc.

I may have been wrong about getting the uri. The uri in urlWakeUp on android 
pronbably is the uri for the file being shared but I think in most cases you 
would need to use a content resolver to get the actual data of the file unless 
the app sharing the file put it in a public directory. But that still doesn't 
account for setting the activity result and finishing the activity so the user 
returns to the original app. If it's not waiting for a result you could try 
just calling quit though...

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Monte Goulding]

Actually I've just reviewed my changes and it looks like I stuffed them up. 
I'll submit another pull request in a minute and add custom plists for iOS too.

On 24 Apr 2015, at 4:11 am, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:

 I'm an optimist. :)
 
 Unless there's some technical reason this is murky, it seems like a high-ROI 
 thing to do: they fold in one pull request and a bunch of us get to add nifty 
 new things to our apps to make them much more useful - and make LC look that 
 much better as well.
 
 Kinda hard to think of a reason not to do it.

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Monte Goulding]

On 24 Apr 2015, at 8:08 am, Mark Wilcox m...@sorcery-ltd.co.uk wrote:

 On 23 Apr 2015, at 18:43, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:
 
 1. Before I dive in, does anyone here know why this wouldn't work?
 
 Custom URLs and Intents are two different systems. The former requires the 
 app you receive data from to know about your custom URL scheme. The same 
 exists on both iOS and Android. Intents on the other hand, in common with the 
 new iOS extensions, allow your app to register as a potential recipient of 
 certain common actions.
 
 In both cases you need something different than a URL handler to do the 
 receiving.
 
 I don't think Intent handling would be particularly difficult to add to the 
 engine. Extensions on iOS would be more complex as the different types have 
 their own APIs.

As far as iOS extensions goes my guess is the simplest thing to do would be to 
implement these natively. As I mentioned when someone was discussing watches 
you wouldn't want to load the whole engine for these things. I think you could 
probably implement them natively and then include in a LC app... may need some 
standalone builder tweaks.

As Mark suggests it probably wouldn't be that hard to be able to handle 
multiple intents on android and be notified of the intent that brought the app 
to foreground and then be able to set some results and quit so the user goes 
back to the other app.

Cheers

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Monte Goulding]

On 24 Apr 2015, at 9:37 am, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote:

 Actually I've just reviewed my changes and it looks like I stuffed them up. 
 I'll submit another pull request in a minute and add custom plists for iOS 
 too.

OK, here it is... sorry Jacque for leading you up a garden path on that forum 
topic we discussed this on.

https://github.com/runrev/livecode/pull/2214

The good news is you should be fine to copy the raw files from the above pull 
request into the LC app bundle. 

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/montegoulding/livecode/feature/TemplateAppMetadata/ide-support/revsaveasandroidstandalone.livecodescript

However, given your specific case where even if you edit the manifest in the 
runtime folder it fails I think there's more to the problem. I've certainly 
been able to do that to add permissions that aren't on the SB dialog etc.

Cheers

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Mark Wilcox]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015, at 03:45 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 I'd like to have an app be able to accept data from other programs, like 
 when you click the Share button in an image gallery and a list of 
 programs pops up that can accept images - I'd like mine to be among them.
 
 I can see from the iOS and Android docs how to register that support in 
 the manifest, but the APIs for actually receiving the data appear to be 
 lower-level, and I haven't found LiveCode messages for those.
 
 Am I dreaming, or have I just overlooked something buried in a Release 
 Note somewhere?

Not dreaming. Intents have been around forever on Android but I don't
believe LiveCode currently supports receiving them. Extensions are iOS
8+ only, so it's not so surprising that they're not yet supported.

Mark

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Richard Gaskin]

Monte Goulding wrote:

 The good news is you should be fine to copy the raw files from the
 above pull request into the LC app bundle.

 
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/montegoulding/livecode/feature/TemplateAppMetadata/ide-support/revsaveasandroidstandalone.livecodescript


 However, given your specific case where even if you edit the manifest
 in the runtime folder it fails I think there's more to the problem.
 I've certainly been able to do that to add permissions that aren't on
 the SB dialog etc.

That's good news indeed - thanks for posting that!

Does that mean I should be able to add intents to my Android build so my 
app can be among those that can receive specified file types?


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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Monte Goulding]

On 24 Apr 2015, at 1:16 pm, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:

 Monte Goulding wrote:
 
  On 24 Apr 2015, at 11:38 am, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 
  Does that mean I should be able to add intents to my Android
  build so my app can be among those that can receive specified
  file types?
 
  Yes and no, it means you could add the intent filters to your
  manifest but there's still no way for you to get the data of
  the file uri from the intent and read the file from the content
  resolver...
 
 In my rabid desire for this it seems I've misunderstood what the urlWakeUp 
 message and mobileGetLaunchUrl function are for.
 
 My hope was that urlWakeUp would launch my app and allow me to respond with a 
 card designed for handing such requests, and the path to the image (or 
 browser URL or whatever else is being shared) would be obtainable from 
 mobileGetLaunchUrl.
 
 If not for this purpose, what are those for?


These are for handling custom url protocols.

Cheers

Monte

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Monte Goulding]

On 24 Apr 2015, at 11:38 am, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:

 Does that mean I should be able to add intents to my Android build so my app 
 can be among those that can receive specified file types?


Yes and no, it means you could add the intent filters to your manifest but 
there's still no way for you to get the data of the file uri from the intent 
and read the file from the content resolver... However it would theoretically 
be possible to do that stuff in an external including setting the intent result 
and finishing the activity so it returns to the calling app. The current state 
of Android externals is a bit hit and miss though. I'm currently trying to work 
out if it's possible to use google play services in one because there's so much 
cool stuff in there but it's not looking very easy.

Cheers

Monte

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Re: Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Richard Gaskin]

Monte Goulding wrote:

 On 24 Apr 2015, at 11:38 am, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 Does that mean I should be able to add intents to my Android
 build so my app can be among those that can receive specified
 file types?

 Yes and no, it means you could add the intent filters to your
 manifest but there's still no way for you to get the data of
 the file uri from the intent and read the file from the content
 resolver...

In my rabid desire for this it seems I've misunderstood what the 
urlWakeUp message and mobileGetLaunchUrl function are for.


My hope was that urlWakeUp would launch my app and allow me to respond 
with a card designed for handing such requests, and the path to the 
image (or browser URL or whatever else is being shared) would be 
obtainable from mobileGetLaunchUrl.


If not for this purpose, what are those for?

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Android Intents/iOS Extensions?

[Richard Gaskin]

I'd like to have an app be able to accept data from other programs, like 
when you click the Share button in an image gallery and a list of 
programs pops up that can accept images - I'd like mine to be among them.


I can see from the iOS and Android docs how to register that support in 
the manifest, but the APIs for actually receiving the data appear to be 
lower-level, and I haven't found LiveCode messages for those.


Am I dreaming, or have I just overlooked something buried in a Release 
Note somewhere?


TIA -

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Android and iOS

[JB]

What is the earliest version of Revolution and LiveCode
that provided the ability to build a standalone for the iOS
and Android?  What is the earliest version that works on
todays Android and iOS?

Are there known compatibility issues that I should try to
avoid while programming the desktop versions so I will
be able to build the Android and iOS standalone without
having problems?

I do not currently have a mobile device for testing so any
related info I need to consider is appreciated.

John Balgenorth

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Re: Android and iOS

[Paul Dupuis]

On 12/20/2014 6:11 PM, JB wrote:
 What is the earliest version of Revolution and LiveCode
 that provided the ability to build a standalone for the iOS
 and Android?  What is the earliest version that works on
 todays Android and iOS?

LiveCode 4.6.x (4.6.4 was the last version in the 4.6 series) added
Android support (LC 4.5.x only had iOS)

 Are there known compatibility issues that I should try to
 avoid while programming the desktop versions so I will
 be able to build the Android and iOS standalone without
 having problems?

I believe you need to be at 6.7.x to be able to build for the latest iOS
(and Android)


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Re: Android and iOS

[JB]

Thanks for the reply and info!

I suspected the earlier versions
would not work with the latest
mobile devices but wash”t sure.
That will certainly save me some
time knowing where to start.

John Balgenorth


On Dec 20, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Paul Dupuis p...@researchware.com wrote:

 On 12/20/2014 6:11 PM, JB wrote:
 What is the earliest version of Revolution and LiveCode
 that provided the ability to build a standalone for the iOS
 and Android?  What is the earliest version that works on
 todays Android and iOS?
 
 LiveCode 4.6.x (4.6.4 was the last version in the 4.6 series) added
 Android support (LC 4.5.x only had iOS)
 
 Are there known compatibility issues that I should try to
 avoid while programming the desktop versions so I will
 be able to build the Android and iOS standalone without
 having problems?
 
 I believe you need to be at 6.7.x to be able to build for the latest iOS
 (and Android)
 
 
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Re: Android and iOS embedded fonts used in native browser control.

[Paul Maguire]

Hey Ralph. 

I prepped some bits yesterday but haven't filed anything (never actually filed 
a LC bug report). I have had no time at all in past 2 days - sorry. If you are 
up for it, please use my example by all means. Thanks again for your help on 
this. 

Btw in my Android porting I'm coming across a lot of issues, some if which I 
have resolved - I'm going to post a list of issues and workarounds soon for 
others like me in the future. 

Kind regards,  Paul. 

On 13 Jun 2013, at 06:18, Ralph DiMola rdim...@evergreeninfo.net wrote:

 Paul,
 
 Did you submit this as a bug or to support? If not I will do it using your
 test stack, if that is OK with you?
 
 Thanks
 
 Ralph DiMola
 IT Director
 Evergreen Information Services
 rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
 Of Paul Maguire
 Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:12 AM
 To: How to use LiveCode
 Subject: Re: Android and iOS embedded fonts used in native browser control.
 
 Hi Ralf.
 
 On 11 Jun 2013, at 05:33, Ralph DiMola wrote:
 Hmmm... Played with your stack for a while today. Me thinks my QC guy 
 lied to me. I can't seem to get any fonts except for the standard web 
 fonts to work. Works in iOS but not Android. I will look at this again 
 tomorrow.Film at 11
 
 
 Thanks for looking at this. Thought I was losing my mind. Isn't this a very
 very common task ie. showing custom fonts in a web scroller in iOS and
 Android? Seems like it should be!
 
 FYI I tried some CSS stuff like adding this to the style sheet:
 
 @font-face {
  font-family: GROBOLD;
  src: url('Fonts/GROBOLD.ttf');
 }
 
 Nada.
 
 Kind regards,Paul.
 
 
 
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RE: Android and iOS embedded fonts used in native browser control.

[Ralph DiMola]

Paul,

Did you submit this as a bug or to support? If not I will do it using your
test stack, if that is OK with you?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Maguire
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:12 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Android and iOS embedded fonts used in native browser control.

Hi Ralf.

On 11 Jun 2013, at 05:33, Ralph DiMola wrote:
 Hmmm... Played with your stack for a while today. Me thinks my QC guy 
 lied to me. I can't seem to get any fonts except for the standard web 
 fonts to work. Works in iOS but not Android. I will look at this again 
 tomorrow.Film at 11


Thanks for looking at this. Thought I was losing my mind. Isn't this a very
very common task ie. showing custom fonts in a web scroller in iOS and
Android? Seems like it should be!

FYI I tried some CSS stuff like adding this to the style sheet:

@font-face {
  font-family: GROBOLD;
  src: url('Fonts/GROBOLD.ttf');
}

Nada.

Kind regards,   Paul.



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Re: Android and iOS embedded fonts used in native browser control.

[Paul Maguire]

Hi Ralf.

On 11 Jun 2013, at 05:33, Ralph DiMola wrote:
 Hmmm... Played with your stack for a while today. Me thinks my QC guy lied
 to me. I can't seem to get any fonts except for the standard web fonts to
 work. Works in iOS but not Android. I will look at this again
 tomorrow.Film at 11


Thanks for looking at this. Thought I was losing my mind. Isn't this a very 
very common task ie. showing custom fonts in a web scroller in iOS and Android? 
Seems like it should be!

FYI I tried some CSS stuff like adding this to the style sheet:

@font-face {
  font-family: GROBOLD;
  src: url('Fonts/GROBOLD.ttf');
}

Nada.

Kind regards,   Paul.



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Re: Android and iOS embedded fonts used in native browser control.

[Paul Maguire]

On 11 Jun 2013, at 11:12, Paul Maguire wrote:
 Ralf

... when he really meant: Ralph.
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RE: Android and iOS embedded fonts used in native browser control.

[Ralph DiMola]

Paul,

Me too. Could you submit this to support. Include your original
htmlwrappertop. Also add in a css like you did below and also include an
inline css like this. This is a show stopper! Let's get mother ship
involved.

p style=font-family: Denmark; font-size:34pt; font-style:italic This is
a native control Sample text formatted with inline CSS. /p

Thanks
Ralph (except when I playing the score from The Sound of Music, then it's
Ralf)



FYI I tried some CSS stuff like adding this to the style sheet:

@font-face {
  font-family: GROBOLD;
  src: url('Fonts/GROBOLD.ttf');
}

Nada.

Kind regards,   Paul.



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Android and iOS embedded fonts used in native browser control…

[Paul Maguire]

Hello again.

I can't work this out! I still can't get embedded fonts to display in Android 
native browser. I can get embedded fonts to appear in the UI when I set up UI 
controls. All works fine in iOS.

I stripped almost everything away and have a test stack here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7szotykzd9od6sh/AndroidBrowserScrollerFonts.zip

If anyone has 2 mins to take a look and see where I'm going wrong I'd really 
appreciate it. Doing my nut in.

Kind regards,   Paul.
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RE: Android and iOS embedded fonts used in native browser control.

[Ralph DiMola]

Hmmm... Played with your stack for a while today. Me thinks my QC guy lied
to me. I can't seem to get any fonts except for the standard web fonts to
work. Works in iOS but not Android. I will look at this again
tomorrow.Film at 11

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Maguire
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:24 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Android and iOS embedded fonts used in native browser control.

Hello again.

I can't work this out! I still can't get embedded fonts to display in
Android native browser. I can get embedded fonts to appear in the UI when I
set up UI controls. All works fine in iOS.

I stripped almost everything away and have a test stack here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7szotykzd9od6sh/AndroidBrowserScrollerFonts.zip

If anyone has 2 mins to take a look and see where I'm going wrong I'd really
appreciate it. Doing my nut in.

Kind regards,   Paul.
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Status of MobGUI controls for Android or iOS

[Thomas McGrath III]

Although I prefer to use tmControl for iOS dev I wanted an Android version and 
decided to reopen MobGUI. Anyway, for iOS all of the controls are still the 
wrong color, size and placement for standard iOS controls and working with it 
is still difficult and still no Retina support that I can see. So after 
building an Android interface I am questioning if they are correct for standard 
Android controls? Has MobGUI been updated at all or is it to be soon? Any word 
on this?

Thank you


Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgr...@comcast.net

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Re: How to detect Android or iOS

[Thierry Douez]

Le 12 avril 2012 06:28, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com a
écrit :

 
  Maybe more to the point:
 
  ???since when has LC Journal had a forum???

 Even more to the point why is my ip banned from it?

 Cheers

 Monte


Same for me ?

Regards,

Thierry
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Re: How to detect Android or iOS

[Mike Bonner]

Shows banned for me too. Yet I don't remember ever going there before.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Thierry Douez th.do...@gmail.com wrote:

 Le 12 avril 2012 06:28, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com a
 écrit :

  
   Maybe more to the point:
  
   ???since when has LC Journal had a forum???
 
  Even more to the point why is my ip banned from it?
 
  Cheers
 
  Monte


 Same for me ?

 Regards,

 Thierry
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Re: How to detect Android or iOS

[Mike Bonner]

Nevermind not showing banned anymore.


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Shows banned for me too. Yet I don't remember ever going there before.


 On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Thierry Douez th.do...@gmail.com wrote:

 Le 12 avril 2012 06:28, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com a
 écrit :

  
   Maybe more to the point:
  
   ???since when has LC Journal had a forum???
 
  Even more to the point why is my ip banned from it?
 
  Cheers
 
  Monte


 Same for me ?

 Regards,

 Thierry
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LiveCode Journal Forum login (was Re: How to detect Android or iOS)

[Richard Gaskin]

Monte Goulding wrote:


Maybe more to the point:

???since when has LC Journal had a forum???

It's not listed anywhere on the web site.


Even more to the point why is my ip banned from it?


Because there is evil in the world.  ;)

When Ken and I were setting up that forum, I was getting dozens of new 
account requests every day - even before it had been linked to anywhere 
publicly.  The account names were obviously junk as well, and many if 
the IPs traced to the Ukraine, China, Russia and other known hotbeds of 
criminal online activity (I look forward to any of those countries 
proving me wrong by enforcing their own laws).


I've been through this mill as a moderator for the LiveCode forums, but 
here I have more privileges, so I exercised them brutally: I blocked 
entire IP ranges by geographic assignment.


Yep, like the many small software devs who get slammed with tens of 
thousands of downloads when a crack is posted on a Chinese blog, I 
looked up the IP address and the geographic assignment for it, and 
blocked some parts of the world from accessing the site at all.


It was the only way I could get back to real work, and it worked like a 
charm:  spambot attempts have dropped dramatically.


However -

The original geographic assignments for IP blocks have evolved over 
time, so that some addresses in ranges originally assigned to a given 
region have been returned to the pool and reassigned elsewhere.


And thus our good friend from Australia was blocked as though he were in 
the Ukraine.


While the LCJ forums were still being set up, the regional IP blocks 
were fine and did wonders for my productivity on client projects.


But now that Ken's provided links for it, obviously we need to refine 
those blocks.


So I'd like to ask you to do me a favor:

If you get a ban notice, please drop me an email at 
ambassa...@fourthworld.com and note the IP address you're using.  I'll 
then remove that from the blocked range and you can try again.


Unfortunately this is the only productive way I can admin that site 
given the prevalence of spambots.  I'll also review the blocks and 
narrow them as time permits, but your help in identifying IP ranges that 
have been reassigned will make that job much simpler.


If it were a major forum in which we expected to draw a million users 
I'd simply hire someone to stay on top of the bots full time.  But as it 
is it's just a volunteer effort for a small number of specialized topics 
specific to the RevInterop project, a relatively tiny subset of things 
that aren't better suited for the more general audience at RunRev's 
LiveCode forums where all the major stuff happens.


I apologize for the inconvenience, but removing all those blocks en 
masse would result in a flood of new account requests that I simply 
don't have the time to address.


And when you create an account, please try to choose a meaningful name, 
something like RichardG or something else that sounds like a real 
person, as opposed to, say, FreeViagra or UggBoots, so I can more 
easily distinguish your requests from the bots.


Note that disposable email address domains like excite.com, 
hotmail.com, aol.com, and anything ending in .ru or .ch, will 
remain blocked because such a block affects very few professionals but 
will stop a great many bots.


Draconian?  Absolutely.  As long as this is a highly specialized forum 
run as a volunteer effort, I need to remain very mindful of the time I 
devote to it, given that I'm also writing code libraries for the 
community and working on products for my clients and Fourth World.  The 
blocks I've put into place have transformed a serious millstone around 
my neck of colossal time wastage into something that can be useful 
without draining my time, so for the moment that's how it works.


If any of you want to volunteer for the time-consuming and 
mind-numbingly boring job of admining new account requests, I'll happily 
add you to the admin list and it's all yours.


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 Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
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Re: LiveCode Journal Forum login (was Re: How to detect Android or iOS)

[Björnke von Gierke]

On 12.04.2012, at 16:28, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 Note that disposable email address domains like excite.com, hotmail.com, 
 aol.com, and anything ending in .ru or .ch,  will remain blocked 
 because such a block affects very few professionals but will stop a great 
 many bots.


Indeed a much smaller effect then you imagined, as ch is switzerland, and cn is 
china :)

(i'm not blocked from http://livecodejournal.com/forum/ )

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LiveCode Mobile Info at LiveCode Journal (was Re: How to detect Android or iOS)

[Ken Ray]

 For more info, check this out:
 
 http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20t=41
 
 Cool. I keep missing the LC Journal stuff because I forget to go look. Is 
 there an RSS feed for it?

Now that there's more awareness of LiveCode Journal forums, I thought that I 
should provide some info on the LiveCode Mobile section of the forums - it came 
about because I had been starting on a mobile development path and ran into a 
bunch of gotchas and tidbits of info that I was starting to keep in my own 
computer (in Scripter's Scrapbook, of course grin), but realized after a 
short time that it would be beneficial if that info was made available to more 
people and also be a go-to resource for myself as I'm doing mobile 
development.

So I started posting info I discovered as well relevant chunks of other 
developers' posts to the LC lists, and was planning on announcing it when it 
was farther along that it currently is. :D 

I also wanted it to be a more curated set of data so that threads didn't spin 
off into irrelevant directions, or new topics getting created that are actually 
covered elsewhere, so at least *for now*, if you want to add anything to what's 
already there, it needs to go through the moderator approval process and may 
take a day or so to appear. That said, feel free to browse around 
(http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19) and if you find something 
wrong or something you want to talk to me about, just shoot me an email.

Ken Ray
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Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
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Re: LiveCode Journal Forum login (was Re: How to detect Android or iOS)

[Richard Gaskin]

Björnke wrote:

On 12.04.2012, at 16:28, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Note that disposable email address domains like excite.com, hotmail.com, aol.com, and 
anything ending in .ru or .ch,  will remain blocked because such a block affects very few professionals 
but will stop a great many bots.



Indeed a much smaller effect then you imagined, as ch is switzerland, and cn is 
china :)


Ah, pardon the typo.  Yes, .cn (apologies to anyone in the PRC who would 
like to access the LCJ forum, but your country's government is odd: 
they're among the few nations who can put a man into space but among the 
most ineffectual at enforcing cybercrime laws).



(i'm not blocked from http://livecodejournal.com/forum/ )


Glad to hear.  Thanks for the confirmation.

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Re: LiveCode Mobile Info at LiveCode Journal (was Re: How to detect Android or iOS)

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/12/12 11:26 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

I also wanted it to be a more curated set of data


I don't mind curated. It would be great if you could add an RSS feed 
though. I read the RR forum feed and it's handy because I don't always 
have time to visit the site but I always read the feeds. I'd love to 
have LC Journal in there too. Our resources are scattered over so many 
sites, having an aggregator collect the info is very useful.


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Re: LiveCode Mobile Info at LiveCode Journal (was Re: How to detect Android or iOS)

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/12/12 9:49 PM, Ken Ray wrote:


Your wish is my commandgrin  - the RSS feed has been enabled (same
way as in the LC forums)...


Thank you! I'm on it. :)

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Re: How to detect Android or iOS

[Mike Bonner]

Oh. Nevermind. Look at 'the platform' instead.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Might look at the machine() function. Still have to check whats returned
 and figure it out, but can skip the check for 'mobile' and go directly to
 looking for ios devices.


 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.comwrote:

 Hey Folks,

 As someone who is about to finish some cross-platform libraries to be
 released soon, I must ask. Is there any clear way to detect if I am
 running
 on iOS or Android? What I have right now is checking the environment to
 see
 if it is mobile and then I check for all the possible combinations of
 iPad, iPhone, iPad Simulator and iPhone Simulator, if it is not them then
 I
 assume it is Android.

 I think we need some clearer thing that returns iOS or Android.

 Also, is there anyway for the library to get the bundle id for Android?
 There is a way on iOS but not on Android.

 Cheers
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Re: How to detect Android or iOS

[Andre Garzia]

Oh thank you!!! They updated the function!!! Thanks for spotting it!

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh. Nevermind. Look at 'the platform' instead.

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Might look at the machine() function. Still have to check whats returned
  and figure it out, but can skip the check for 'mobile' and go directly to
  looking for ios devices.
 
 
  On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com
 wrote:
 
  Hey Folks,
 
  As someone who is about to finish some cross-platform libraries to be
  released soon, I must ask. Is there any clear way to detect if I am
  running
  on iOS or Android? What I have right now is checking the environment to
  see
  if it is mobile and then I check for all the possible combinations of
  iPad, iPhone, iPad Simulator and iPhone Simulator, if it is not them
 then
  I
  assume it is Android.
 
  I think we need some clearer thing that returns iOS or Android.
 
  Also, is there anyway for the library to get the bundle id for Android?
  There is a way on iOS but not on Android.
 
  Cheers
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Re: How to detect Android or iOS

[Ken Ray]

On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

 Oh thank you!!! They updated the function!!! Thanks for spotting it!

For more info, check this out:

http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20t=41


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Re: How to detect Android or iOS

[Monte Goulding]

 
 Maybe more to the point:
 
 ???since when has LC Journal had a forum???
 
 It's not listed anywhere on the web site.

Even more to the point why is my ip banned from it?

Cheers

Monte

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Last chance to tell (a small part of) the world about your Android and iOS apps

[Ben Rubinstein]

Thanks to all the people who've already added details of their apps to this 
survey (37 apps so far - but only one Android one!).


As a reminder, this is explicitly about apps that have gone on public 'sale' 
(including for free) in an app store.


If you've produced such an app using LiveCode, and haven't added details of it 
yet, please do so at:


http://www.surveymk.com/s/C93Y6LT

It's really quick!

I'll close it in a couple more days and will then present the data back to the 
list.


Many thanks,

Ben

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Re: Last chance to tell (a small part of) the world about your Android and iOS apps

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Ben,

What exactly will you do with the data, besides publishing the results on this 
list?

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On 6 dec 2011, at 15:59, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

 Thanks to all the people who've already added details of their apps to this 
 survey (37 apps so far - but only one Android one!).
 
 As a reminder, this is explicitly about apps that have gone on public 'sale' 
 (including for free) in an app store.
 
 If you've produced such an app using LiveCode, and haven't added details of 
 it yet, please do so at:
 
 http://www.surveymk.com/s/C93Y6LT
 
 It's really quick!
 
 I'll close it in a couple more days and will then present the data back to 
 the list.
 
 Many thanks,
 
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Re: Last chance to tell (a small part of) the world about your Android and iOS apps

[Ben Rubinstein]

On 06/12/2011 15:26, Mark Schonewille wrote:

What exactly will you do with the data, besides publishing the results on this 
list?


*Short answer*
That's exactly it - publish it.

*Longer answer*
And I guess ponder it a bit.  And look at some of the apps.  But I hope other 
people will do those things too.  When asking the question what can you 
achieve with the current state of LiveCode for mobile? these published apps 
represent real data points - they may not show everything that can be 
achieved, they may not show how much pain and sweat was required; but they 
represent some indisputable evidence to put alongside the documentation.


*Even longer answer*
To be very explicit: my company have put something over a dozen apps into the 
iOS store (mostly for clients, not under our own name).  None of those were 
built with LiveCode, they're all in Objective-C (with our own framework that 
we've invested heavily in).  Some are trivial, but some are really substantial 
commercial projects, for clients with a massive reputation to defend. We've 
used LiveCode for prototyping elements of some of these; and for a 
commissioned proof of concept for a client, that was never intended for 
publishing; but never for anything that went beyond that. We're getting (some, 
not many) requests for projects to be delivered on both iOS and Android; it's 
going to be expensive to port our framework to Android.


We're interested in whether to use LiveCode for a complete app project; but 
nervous about whether (a) the fit and finish will be adequate, compared with a 
project in native code where we can always access the native controls; (b) 
about hitting a roadblock or serious bug, which we can't get past because we 
can't go to native code.


To date these fears (along with other issues) have stopped us deciding to 
commit to LiveCode for any projects, even when with a following wind doing so 
should allow us to build the app a lot cheaper; and in some cases have led to 
us turning down a project that would be possible within the constraints only 
by using LiveCode; because once we commit to the client that we'll produce an 
app, in a given timeframe, we want to be in control of our own destiny in 
terms of being able to meet that commitment.  To defend our own reputation, 
we'd rather turn down the work than take it on and find that we can't deliver.


In this respect, being able to look at apps that others have successfully 
completed may help alleviate some of those fears.  So I want to see some apps 
that other people have created using LiveCode; I can't find a list anywhere; 
so I decided to try compiling one.


Ben

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Your Icon Requests for Android and iOS Development

[Lynn Fredricks]

Hello all,

A partner of mine makes the icons for IconPeople - many of you have the
Valerian icon set, either purchased individually or received in a bundle.

Since we now have iOS and Android deployment for LiveCode, we've been
thinking about what icons would be useful to extend Valerian for use on
these devices. That way, at least a modest UX experience can be had between
your apps running on the desktop and the devices.

I believe that both devices already handle the roundedness and
glossiness aspects of icon rendering. Can you correct me if I am wrong
about that? Also, I think there are good lists of supporting sizes.

Are there any specific icons you'd like to see included?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
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Android and IOS

[Ralph DiMola]

I went from a 80 col card programmer in 1973 though OS and CGI development
in the 1980-1990s to VB6 and Java today. I'm new to Livecode (1 month) So go
easy on me. I see this a rough crowd, but some help by pointing me in the
right direction would be appreciated.

My apps for both Android and IOS will access SQLite databases. The app is
coming along fine in the IDE (database access and such). I am in the process
testing on Android. After Android I will start testing on IOS. So these
question are Android related but IOS comments would be appreciated.

1) I have a splash screen that displays an image using the image control.
Works fine the in IDE, but is blank when run on the Android HW. Image file
is obviously not available to the app on the HW. The image file is in the
apk file. How is this referenced to work in both the IDE and HW?
2) I included both the db and splash screen image in the Copy Files tab of
standalone app setting. They are both in the apk file. When I browse the apk
file after installation in the elusive data/app folder and browse the apk
files assets folder the db and splash screen files are there. The real
question is how to move the db to the equally elusive
/data/app/myapp/files folder on install for R/W access. I put a copy there
manually for testing my app. I can access the db using the
specialFolderPath(documents) path. The
specialFolderPath(engine)/assets path should point to the apk's assets
folder but I having no luck during the openstack event coping the files
myself to the /data/app/myapp/files folder for R/W access.
3) What type of menu will use the native menu picker(slide with finger) on
the Android? I see that to use the native view in IOS the menu picker or
some such thing must be used. I will go there later. For now Android is the
priority.
4) Are there some example of resizing the stack for various screen sizes? I
have read the grouping of objects is helpful. I also imagine the
portrait/landscape requires some planning so resizing is practical in both
orientations. I have seen some resizing code but it is not completely clear
to me.
5) Does anyone know when GPS access on the Android will be available? Is
there a workaround?
6) Can you get runtime errors when running on the Android HW? Now all I get
is nothing.
8) How do you install app on SD card?
9) Are there any LC APIs for GPS coordinate proximity to zip codes?

I know this is a lot of questions. I have been reading and hacking 24/7 for
a month now and app is almost complete except for these issues.
Thanks in advance for any insight!!!

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Re: Android and IOS

[J. Landman Gay]

On 6/29/11 4:53 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:

I went from a 80 col card programmer in 1973 though OS and CGI development
in the 1980-1990s to VB6 and Java today. I'm new to Livecode (1 month) So go
easy on me. I see this a rough crowd, but some help by pointing me in the
right direction would be appreciated.


Welcome. We're not that rough. We even like each other. :)



My apps for both Android and IOS will access SQLite databases. The app is
coming along fine in the IDE (database access and such). I am in the process
testing on Android. After Android I will start testing on IOS. So these
question are Android related but IOS comments would be appreciated.

1) I have a splash screen that displays an image using the image control.
Works fine the in IDE, but is blank when run on the Android HW. Image file
is obviously not available to the app on the HW. The image file is in the
apk file. How is this referenced to work in both the IDE and HW?


You can either branch to accomodate each environment, or easier, set up 
your hard drive files to mimic what will be on the device. On Android, 
files in the Copy Files inclusion pane will by default be relative to 
the engine, so when you're using a stack in the IDE, make your files 
there relative to the stack location. Set the defaultfolder to the one 
holding your stack and then you can reference them on both platforms the 
same way. The default folder on Android, if you don't change it, is the 
engine folder so you don't have to set it there.


So if you have a folder of images next to the stack on disk (and you've 
set the defaultfolder,) it's path will be images/splash.png. On 
Android it will be the same.


Re-reading that, it doesn't sound too clear, so ask if you need more.


2) I included both the db and splash screen image in the Copy Files tab of
standalone app setting. They are both in the apk file. When I browse the apk
file after installation in the elusive data/app folder and browse the apk
files assets folder the db and splash screen files are there. The real
question is how to move the db to the equally elusive
/data/app/myapp/files folder on install for R/W access. I put a copy there
manually for testing my app. I can access the db using the
specialFolderPath(documents) path. The
specialFolderPath(engine)/assets path should point to the apk's assets
folder but I having no luck during the openstack event coping the files
myself to the /data/app/myapp/files folder for R/W access.


I'm not sure exactly what's going on under the hood, but I heard it's 
not as straightforward as you'd think. The advice is to always use the 
built-in specialFolderPaths and just let the engine do what it needs to do:


  put url (binfile:  specialFolderPath(engine)myDb.db) into url 
(binfile:  specialFolderPath(documents)  myDB.db)



3) What type of menu will use the native menu picker(slide with finger) on
the Android? I see that to use the native view in IOS the menu picker or
some such thing must be used. I will go there later. For now Android is the
priority.


A native scroller control isn't there yet, but you can emulate it. 
There's an example in the TickedOff stack shown at the conference, and I 
think at the Summer Academy, but I'm not sure if that's available for 
general download. Basically you just set up a field with the right text 
size and lineheight and then script it to scroll on touch. I'll see if I 
can find an example tomorrow and post it, unless someone else does it first.



4) Are there some example of resizing the stack for various screen sizes? I
have read the grouping of objects is helpful. I also imagine the
portrait/landscape requires some planning so resizing is practical in both
orientations. I have seen some resizing code but it is not completely clear
to me.


There is a lesson here: 
http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/1004/lessons/28683-Displaying-Assets-On-Differing-Screen-Resolutions


You need to script each object's rectangle and/or position in response 
to a resizeStack message, which the stack receives when the device 
rotates. You'll also need to run the same resize handler on preOpenStack 
or preOpenCard, based on the screenrect.


Resizing is a pain but once you get the hang of it, it becomes more 
tedious than difficult.



5) Does anyone know when GPS access on the Android will be available? Is
there a workaround?


I don't know, but I'm pretty sure there's no workaround.


6) Can you get runtime errors when running on the Android HW? Now all I get
is nothing.


Yes, and with the older Android plugin there was a log window you could 
open just for that purpose. It got omitted when the Android build was 
integrated into the IDE (and I want it back.) But you can install the 
older plugin and use it just to see the output log, and it won't 
interfere with the IDE at all. I think the plugin can be downloaded from 
your store account.


Once you've installed the plugin (ask if you don't know how) you can 
open