Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Being all Christmassy, will prob have a bash with your latest build on the
27th.

Best, Richmond.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022, 13:24 Simon Knight via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Matthias,
>
> Thank you for your offer.
>
> I've conducted some more testing and it seems that the issue I am seeing
> may not be isolated to just Ventura.  Unfortunately not having a copy makes
> it difficult to report on what is occuring, so I will just describe what I
> see in Livecode 9.6.8 running on Big Sur.
>
> Before starting I remove Livecode from both Contacts and Calendar in the
> Privacy Pane using two calls to tccutils.  With the library file installed
> and my stack file open in livecode I make the request for Calendar data.
> The system should present two dialog boxes requesting permission to access
> first Contacts then Calendar.  When run in the IDE only one gets presented
> followed by a second stating that access to Calendar data is denied.  This
> should mean that Livecode is listed in the Privacy Pane but it is not.
> This issue may be slightly different to what was being reported to me about
> Ventura.
>
> I have raised a rambling bug report
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24054 <
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24054> and all the files are
> attached to this report.  For tests in the IDE I suggest the version of the
> stack dated 24th dec 2022 and version 1.1.54 of the library.  The built
> versions use a slightly earlier version of the stack file but the
> differences are minor.
>
> Link to the form thread :
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=37540 <
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=37540>  beware that the
> URLs to Dropbox do work but Dropbox mangles the zips.  It is better to get
> the files via the bug report.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

Thank you for your offer. 

I've conducted some more testing and it seems that the issue I am seeing may 
not be isolated to just Ventura.  Unfortunately not having a copy makes it 
difficult to report on what is occuring, so I will just describe what I see in 
Livecode 9.6.8 running on Big Sur.

Before starting I remove Livecode from both Contacts and Calendar in the 
Privacy Pane using two calls to tccutils.  With the library file installed and 
my stack file open in livecode I make the request for Calendar data.  The 
system should present two dialog boxes requesting permission to access first 
Contacts then Calendar.  When run in the IDE only one gets presented followed 
by a second stating that access to Calendar data is denied.  This should mean 
that Livecode is listed in the Privacy Pane but it is not.  This issue may be 
slightly different to what was being reported to me about Ventura.

I have raised a rambling bug report 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24054 
 and all the files are 
attached to this report.  For tests in the IDE I suggest the version of the 
stack dated 24th dec 2022 and version 1.1.54 of the library.  The built 
versions use a slightly earlier version of the stack file but the differences 
are minor.

Link to the form thread : https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=37540 
  beware that the URLs 
to Dropbox do work but Dropbox mangles the zips.  It is better to get the files 
via the bug report.

Simon




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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Richmond62 is using : ProductName: macOS, ProductVersion: 13.2, 
ProductVersionExtra: (a)
Stam is using : ProductName: macOS, ProductVersion: 13.0.1, BuildVersion: 22A400

Details from a log file that Richmond62 and Stam reported in the Forum thread.  
If I understand what Richmond has written in the thread Livecode was listed in 
the Privacy Pane and was enabled but my library reported "denied".  Stam's 
Livecode is not listed and never requests access.

I'm going the thread here : 
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=37540=30

> On 22 Dec 2022, at 17:00, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> What version LC? There was a version that was exhibiting this behavior, but 
> it was fixed. This may be a regression.

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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Simon,

do you have a sample stack i could test for you here? To be honest, i have no 
clue how to access the contacts or the calendar. So a sample stack would be 
fine.

Matthias

> Am 22.12.2022 um 10:01 schrieb Simon Knight via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Well I've had issues with Ventura and how Livecode requests permission for 
> access to Contacts and Calendar data.  Unfortunately I don't have Ventura so 
> all this is second hand but hints that there are issues with how the Privacy 
> Pane works.  For example a stack running in the IDE and using a library that 
> requires access to Calendar fails to request permission yet the compiled 
> application does.
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

What version LC? There was a version that was exhibiting this behavior, but it 
was fixed. This may be a regression.

Bob S


On Dec 22, 2022, at 01:01 , Simon Knight via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Well I've had issues with Ventura and how Livecode requests permission for 
access to Contacts and Calendar data.  Unfortunately I don't have Ventura so 
all this is second hand but hints that there are issues with how the Privacy 
Pane works.  For example a stack running in the IDE and using a library that 
requires access to Calendar fails to request permission yet the compiled 
application does.

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Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Well I've had issues with Ventura and how Livecode requests permission for 
access to Contacts and Calendar data.  Unfortunately I don't have Ventura so 
all this is second hand but hints that there are issues with how the Privacy 
Pane works.  For example a stack running in the IDE and using a library that 
requires access to Calendar fails to request permission yet the compiled 
application does.
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[panagiotis m via use-livecode]

Hello all,

We received a report about "Close and remove from memory" not working on
MacOS Ventura (https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24008). I have
not upgraded yet - so I was wondering if anyone has seen this issue on
MacOS Ventura?

Kind regards,
Panos
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 19:06, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> There is a utility that can actually modify the schedule. I downloaded it
> and am using it at home, but currently I am at work. I'll try to remember
> to check that when I get home, but you can google it.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2022, at 24:02 , Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> Brilliant. I’m inspired. (I presume you can program Time Machine to use
> drive A on Mon, Wed, Fri, drive B on Tues, Thurs, Sat kind of thing?).
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

There is a utility that can actually modify the schedule. I downloaded it and 
am using it at home, but currently I am at work. I'll try to remember to check 
that when I get home, but you can google it.

Bob S


On Nov 13, 2022, at 24:02 , Mark Smith via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Brilliant. I’m inspired. (I presume you can program Time Machine to use drive A 
on Mon, Wed, Fri, drive B on Tues, Thurs, Sat kind of thing?).

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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

just one note that has bitten me, about using these cloud backup services:
they are not great at storing databases (which includes git repos, since
the git tree is just a db).
there are db's that take snapshots as part of their backup process (then
you backup the snapshot, not the db). backing up a db via cloud storage
(again, including a git repo) will eventually burn you. you can fix it, but
it can take hours.
but with time machine/retrospect/etc. - no issues.

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> I forgot to mention that the part with the "multiple drives defined for
> Time Machine" is valid for all macOS versions, not just Ventura.
>
>
> > Am 13.11.2022 um 23:36 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > As Jacque has written, but
> >
> > in Ventura you can decide if the backup shall be done only manually,
> every hour, every day or every week.
> >
> > And if you have defined more than one drive for the Time Machine
> backups  and if you have them all connected at the same time to your
> computer then the first  backup is done first on the first one, then the
> next backup on the second one and so on and then again on the first drive.
> >
> > If you have defined more than one drive for the backup, but you only
> attach one drive at a time, then the backup is written to that drive. If
> you attach an other of the defined drives and remove the other one, then
> the backup is written the newly attached drive.
> >
> > I for example have always 1 "real" drive attached and i also use my
> Synology NAS as a second drive for the Time Machine backups.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >
> >> Am 13.11.2022 um 09:02 schrieb Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Brilliant. I’m inspired. (I presume you can program Time Machine to use
> drive A on Mon, Wed, Fri, drive B on Tues, Thurs, Sat kind of thing?).
> >>
> >>> On 11 Nov 2022, at 9:45 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 11/10/22 12:40 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>  I think my odds are better using a cloud
>  service than my own efforts at maintaining things.
> >>>
> >>> I do both local and cloud backups. If you haven't set up Time Machine
> I highly recommend it. I have two backup drives on my Mac and Time Machine
> alternates backups between them. I never have to think about it, and it's
> saved me more times than I can count, especially when I save a stack and
> later find out I introduced problems. I just grab the last working copy and
> get back to work. When I travel, I put one of the drives in a safe place at
> home and take the other one with me, just in case. That came in handy once
> when I had to review a script to answer a client's question while I was out
> of town. SSD drives are just a little larger than a cigarette pack,
> inexpensive, and easy to carry.
> >>>
> >>> I also have Google Drive set up to automatically backup a few
> important folders including my client folder. That way I have essentially
> three backups of the important stuff. The good part is that I don't have to
> do anything at all, the copies take care of themselves.
> >>>
> >>> The initial setup happened a couple of decades ago when I lost
> everything. My Mac's hard drive failed suddenly and my entire digital life
> went with it. I'm obsessive now. It's entirely possible to be lazy about
> backups and still have them.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, one or the other backup drives has failed a couple of times over
> the years. I take the dead one offline and Time Machine will continue to
> backup to the other one until I can get a replacement. This happens about
> every 3-5 years.
> >>>
> >>> I haven't lost any data since the original catastrophe.
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>>
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

I forgot to mention that the part with the "multiple drives defined for Time 
Machine" is valid for all macOS versions, not just Ventura.


> Am 13.11.2022 um 23:36 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> As Jacque has written, but
> 
> in Ventura you can decide if the backup shall be done only manually, every 
> hour, every day or every week.
> 
> And if you have defined more than one drive for the Time Machine backups  and 
> if you have them all connected at the same time to your computer then the 
> first  backup is done first on the first one, then the next backup on the 
> second one and so on and then again on the first drive.
> 
> If you have defined more than one drive for the backup, but you only attach 
> one drive at a time, then the backup is written to that drive. If you attach 
> an other of the defined drives and remove the other one, then the backup is 
> written the newly attached drive.
> 
> I for example have always 1 "real" drive attached and i also use my Synology 
> NAS as a second drive for the Time Machine backups. 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 13.11.2022 um 09:02 schrieb Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Brilliant. I’m inspired. (I presume you can program Time Machine to use 
>> drive A on Mon, Wed, Fri, drive B on Tues, Thurs, Sat kind of thing?). 
>> 
>>> On 11 Nov 2022, at 9:45 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 11/10/22 12:40 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
 I think my odds are better using a cloud
 service than my own efforts at maintaining things.
>>> 
>>> I do both local and cloud backups. If you haven't set up Time Machine I 
>>> highly recommend it. I have two backup drives on my Mac and Time Machine 
>>> alternates backups between them. I never have to think about it, and it's 
>>> saved me more times than I can count, especially when I save a stack and 
>>> later find out I introduced problems. I just grab the last working copy and 
>>> get back to work. When I travel, I put one of the drives in a safe place at 
>>> home and take the other one with me, just in case. That came in handy once 
>>> when I had to review a script to answer a client's question while I was out 
>>> of town. SSD drives are just a little larger than a cigarette pack, 
>>> inexpensive, and easy to carry.
>>> 
>>> I also have Google Drive set up to automatically backup a few important 
>>> folders including my client folder. That way I have essentially three 
>>> backups of the important stuff. The good part is that I don't have to do 
>>> anything at all, the copies take care of themselves.
>>> 
>>> The initial setup happened a couple of decades ago when I lost everything. 
>>> My Mac's hard drive failed suddenly and my entire digital life went with 
>>> it. I'm obsessive now. It's entirely possible to be lazy about backups and 
>>> still have them.
>>> 
>>> BTW, one or the other backup drives has failed a couple of times over the 
>>> years. I take the dead one offline and Time Machine will continue to backup 
>>> to the other one until I can get a replacement. This happens about every 
>>> 3-5 years.
>>> 
>>> I haven't lost any data since the original catastrophe.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

As Jacque has written, but

in Ventura you can decide if the backup shall be done only manually, every 
hour, every day or every week.

And if you have defined more than one drive for the Time Machine backups  and 
if you have them all connected at the same time to your computer then the first 
 backup is done first on the first one, then the next backup on the second one 
and so on and then again on the first drive.

If you have defined more than one drive for the backup, but you only attach one 
drive at a time, then the backup is written to that drive. If you attach an 
other of the defined drives and remove the other one, then the backup is 
written the newly attached drive.

I for example have always 1 "real" drive attached and i also use my Synology 
NAS as a second drive for the Time Machine backups. 


Regards,
Matthias



> Am 13.11.2022 um 09:02 schrieb Mark Smith via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Brilliant. I’m inspired. (I presume you can program Time Machine to use drive 
> A on Mon, Wed, Fri, drive B on Tues, Thurs, Sat kind of thing?). 
> 
>> On 11 Nov 2022, at 9:45 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 11/10/22 12:40 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I think my odds are better using a cloud
>>> service than my own efforts at maintaining things.
>> 
>> I do both local and cloud backups. If you haven't set up Time Machine I 
>> highly recommend it. I have two backup drives on my Mac and Time Machine 
>> alternates backups between them. I never have to think about it, and it's 
>> saved me more times than I can count, especially when I save a stack and 
>> later find out I introduced problems. I just grab the last working copy and 
>> get back to work. When I travel, I put one of the drives in a safe place at 
>> home and take the other one with me, just in case. That came in handy once 
>> when I had to review a script to answer a client's question while I was out 
>> of town. SSD drives are just a little larger than a cigarette pack, 
>> inexpensive, and easy to carry.
>> 
>> I also have Google Drive set up to automatically backup a few important 
>> folders including my client folder. That way I have essentially three 
>> backups of the important stuff. The good part is that I don't have to do 
>> anything at all, the copies take care of themselves.
>> 
>> The initial setup happened a couple of decades ago when I lost everything. 
>> My Mac's hard drive failed suddenly and my entire digital life went with it. 
>> I'm obsessive now. It's entirely possible to be lazy about backups and still 
>> have them.
>> 
>> BTW, one or the other backup drives has failed a couple of times over the 
>> years. I take the dead one offline and Time Machine will continue to backup 
>> to the other one until I can get a replacement. This happens about every 3-5 
>> years.
>> 
>> I haven't lost any data since the original catastrophe.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

There is no scheduling, it's all automatic. Time Machine backs up once an 
hour, then combines the back ups once a day, then once a week, then once a 
month. When the disk is full it deletes the oldest to make room. With a 
multi-terrabyte drive that doesn't happen often.


It alternates each backup every hour between my two drives. You can add any 
number of drives and it will rotate every hour among them.


The UI combines all the backups into a single visual report so you don't 
need to figure out which drive stores it. If you don't like the visual 
display you can use the Finder and grab any backup from there. For 
convenience, TM creates an alias to the most recent backup on each drive.


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On November 13, 2022 2:05:04 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Brilliant. I’m inspired. (I presume you can program Time Machine to use 
drive A on Mon, Wed, Fri, drive B on Tues, Thurs, Sat kind of thing?).


On 11 Nov 2022, at 9:45 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:


On 11/10/22 12:40 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

I think my odds are better using a cloud
service than my own efforts at maintaining things.


I do both local and cloud backups. If you haven't set up Time Machine I 
highly recommend it. I have two backup drives on my Mac and Time Machine 
alternates backups between them. I never have to think about it, and it's 
saved me more times than I can count, especially when I save a stack and 
later find out I introduced problems. I just grab the last working copy and 
get back to work. When I travel, I put one of the drives in a safe place at 
home and take the other one with me, just in case. That came in handy once 
when I had to review a script to answer a client's question while I was out 
of town. SSD drives are just a little larger than a cigarette pack, 
inexpensive, and easy to carry.


I also have Google Drive set up to automatically backup a few important 
folders including my client folder. That way I have essentially three 
backups of the important stuff. The good part is that I don't have to do 
anything at all, the copies take care of themselves.


The initial setup happened a couple of decades ago when I lost everything. 
My Mac's hard drive failed suddenly and my entire digital life went with 
it. I'm obsessive now. It's entirely possible to be lazy about backups and 
still have them.


BTW, one or the other backup drives has failed a couple of times over the 
years. I take the dead one offline and Time Machine will continue to backup 
to the other one until I can get a replacement. This happens about every 
3-5 years.


I haven't lost any data since the original catastrophe.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Brilliant. I’m inspired. (I presume you can program Time Machine to use drive A 
on Mon, Wed, Fri, drive B on Tues, Thurs, Sat kind of thing?). 

> On 11 Nov 2022, at 9:45 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 11/10/22 12:40 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>> I think my odds are better using a cloud
>> service than my own efforts at maintaining things.
> 
> I do both local and cloud backups. If you haven't set up Time Machine I 
> highly recommend it. I have two backup drives on my Mac and Time Machine 
> alternates backups between them. I never have to think about it, and it's 
> saved me more times than I can count, especially when I save a stack and 
> later find out I introduced problems. I just grab the last working copy and 
> get back to work. When I travel, I put one of the drives in a safe place at 
> home and take the other one with me, just in case. That came in handy once 
> when I had to review a script to answer a client's question while I was out 
> of town. SSD drives are just a little larger than a cigarette pack, 
> inexpensive, and easy to carry.
> 
> I also have Google Drive set up to automatically backup a few important 
> folders including my client folder. That way I have essentially three backups 
> of the important stuff. The good part is that I don't have to do anything at 
> all, the copies take care of themselves.
> 
> The initial setup happened a couple of decades ago when I lost everything. My 
> Mac's hard drive failed suddenly and my entire digital life went with it. I'm 
> obsessive now. It's entirely possible to be lazy about backups and still have 
> them.
> 
> BTW, one or the other backup drives has failed a couple of times over the 
> years. I take the dead one offline and Time Machine will continue to backup 
> to the other one until I can get a replacement. This happens about every 3-5 
> years.
> 
> I haven't lost any data since the original catastrophe.
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 11/10/22 12:40 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

I think my odds are better using a cloud
service than my own efforts at maintaining things.


I do both local and cloud backups. If you haven't set up Time Machine I highly recommend it. I 
have two backup drives on my Mac and Time Machine alternates backups between them. I never have 
to think about it, and it's saved me more times than I can count, especially when I save a 
stack and later find out I introduced problems. I just grab the last working copy and get back 
to work. When I travel, I put one of the drives in a safe place at home and take the other one 
with me, just in case. That came in handy once when I had to review a script to answer a 
client's question while I was out of town. SSD drives are just a little larger than a cigarette 
pack, inexpensive, and easy to carry.


I also have Google Drive set up to automatically backup a few important folders including my 
client folder. That way I have essentially three backups of the important stuff. The good part 
is that I don't have to do anything at all, the copies take care of themselves.


The initial setup happened a couple of decades ago when I lost everything. My Mac's hard drive 
failed suddenly and my entire digital life went with it. I'm obsessive now. It's entirely 
possible to be lazy about backups and still have them.


BTW, one or the other backup drives has failed a couple of times over the years. I take the 
dead one offline and Time Machine will continue to backup to the other one until I can get a 
replacement. This happens about every 3-5 years.


I haven't lost any data since the original catastrophe.

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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Don't get me wrong, I keep some of my documents in the cloud, especially the 
important ones, but the conversation was abount having iCloud be the primary 
storage for ALL your documents. I lost a ton of really good photos when they 
went from .MAC to me.com. True I was warned, but was not in a 
position at the time to download all my photo library.

Bob S


On Nov 10, 2022, at 10:40 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I regard it as a choice of risks -- I'm lazy about backups since...I was
going to say the '90s, but really it's forever. Thankfully I've never had a
drive go bad, but  I have written several novels, and I now have none of
them except as memories: one went away with an iMac hard drive I didn't
copy properly when I retired it, one went away with a zip drive, one went
away with 3 inch floppies, and one went away with 5 inch floppies (and one
went away with greenbar paper). I think my odds are better using a cloud
service than my own efforts at maintaining things.

gc

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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

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Portable drives are just $50/terabyte.

Time is irreplaceable.

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Mark Smith wrote:

> I tend towards lazy myself, backing up only after the umpteenth prompt
> from Time machine that I haven’t backed up in XX months. But I am also
> the anxious type so if I am working on something important (like a
> paper, a presentation or a program) I’ll just periodically mail myself
> a copy. That way, if I lose a disk, I can just retrieve copies from
> whatever mail server I am using.


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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

I tend towards lazy myself, backing up only after the umpteenth prompt from 
Time machine that I haven’t backed up in XX months. But I am also the anxious 
type so if I am working on something important (like a paper, a presentation or 
a program) I’ll just periodically mail myself a copy. That way, if I lose a 
disk, I can just retrieve copies from whatever mail server I am using.

I have on occasion had to do just that, particularly after I retired and failed 
to backup everything properly before I left my employer. 

Mark

> On 10 Nov 2022, at 6:40 pm, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I regard it as a choice of risks -- I'm lazy about backups since...I was
> going to say the '90s, but really it's forever. Thankfully I've never had a
> drive go bad, but  I have written several novels, and I now have none of
> them except as memories: one went away with an iMac hard drive I didn't
> copy properly when I retired it, one went away with a zip drive, one went
> away with 3 inch floppies, and one went away with 5 inch floppies (and one
> went away with greenbar paper). I think my odds are better using a cloud
> service than my own efforts at maintaining things.
> 
> gc
> 
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 2:32 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> FYI I NEVER am going to consolidate all my documents in iCloud. That's
>> like hanging a copy of all my keys in the community center that's open 24
>> hours a day to everyone. One day someone is going to lock the doors...
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 8, 2022, at 13:22 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I upgraded to Ventura over a week ago. No problems so far with one
>> exception: the OS suggested that I consolidate everything onto iCloud for
>> universal access and backups. I did so. That resulted in oddities like
>> cmd-shift-D now opening iCloud/Desktop instead of something in my home
>> directory. Or more accurately, there *is* a "Desktop" folder in my home
>> directory that appears not to be an alias, but is invisible?
>> 
>> Anyway, doing this caused the same thing to happen for the Documents
>> folder. LiveCode apparently can't find the invisible folder, so e.g. it
>> defaulted back to the copy of Navigator included with LiveCode -- which is
>> ancient, no one should use it -- instead of the copy in ~/Documents/My
>> Livecode/Plugins.
>> 
>> So far, to fix it I hit cmd-shift-period in the Finder. That shows
>> invisible files. I'm sure there's a way to un-invisible a folder, and
>> hopefully that will fix the issue without causing any issues with what
>> Ventura is trying to do with iCloud.
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

I regard it as a choice of risks -- I'm lazy about backups since...I was
going to say the '90s, but really it's forever. Thankfully I've never had a
drive go bad, but  I have written several novels, and I now have none of
them except as memories: one went away with an iMac hard drive I didn't
copy properly when I retired it, one went away with a zip drive, one went
away with 3 inch floppies, and one went away with 5 inch floppies (and one
went away with greenbar paper). I think my odds are better using a cloud
service than my own efforts at maintaining things.

gc

On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 2:32 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> FYI I NEVER am going to consolidate all my documents in iCloud. That's
> like hanging a copy of all my keys in the community center that's open 24
> hours a day to everyone. One day someone is going to lock the doors...
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2022, at 13:22 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> I upgraded to Ventura over a week ago. No problems so far with one
> exception: the OS suggested that I consolidate everything onto iCloud for
> universal access and backups. I did so. That resulted in oddities like
> cmd-shift-D now opening iCloud/Desktop instead of something in my home
> directory. Or more accurately, there *is* a "Desktop" folder in my home
> directory that appears not to be an alias, but is invisible?
>
> Anyway, doing this caused the same thing to happen for the Documents
> folder. LiveCode apparently can't find the invisible folder, so e.g. it
> defaulted back to the copy of Navigator included with LiveCode -- which is
> ancient, no one should use it -- instead of the copy in ~/Documents/My
> Livecode/Plugins.
>
> So far, to fix it I hit cmd-shift-period in the Finder. That shows
> invisible files. I'm sure there's a way to un-invisible a folder, and
> hopefully that will fix the issue without causing any issues with what
> Ventura is trying to do with iCloud.
>
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RE: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

+1
Or stop you car from charging.

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Subject: Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

FYI I NEVER am going to consolidate all my documents in iCloud. That's like
hanging a copy of all my keys in the community center that's open 24 hours a
day to everyone. One day someone is going to lock the doors...

Bob S


On Nov 8, 2022, at 13:22 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I upgraded to Ventura over a week ago. No problems so far with one
exception: the OS suggested that I consolidate everything onto iCloud for
universal access and backups. I did so. That resulted in oddities like
cmd-shift-D now opening iCloud/Desktop instead of something in my home
directory. Or more accurately, there *is* a "Desktop" folder in my home
directory that appears not to be an alias, but is invisible?

Anyway, doing this caused the same thing to happen for the Documents folder.
LiveCode apparently can't find the invisible folder, so e.g. it defaulted
back to the copy of Navigator included with LiveCode -- which is ancient, no
one should use it -- instead of the copy in ~/Documents/My Livecode/Plugins.

So far, to fix it I hit cmd-shift-period in the Finder. That shows invisible
files. I'm sure there's a way to un-invisible a folder, and hopefully that
will fix the issue without causing any issues with what Ventura is trying to
do with iCloud.

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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Geoff, that's weird, I don't recall seeing that message on my non-dev
machines, but then, again, I was also running the beta on those boxes.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 5:32 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> FYI I NEVER am going to consolidate all my documents in iCloud. That's
> like hanging a copy of all my keys in the community center that's open 24
> hours a day to everyone. One day someone is going to lock the doors...
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2022, at 13:22 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> I upgraded to Ventura over a week ago. No problems so far with one
> exception: the OS suggested that I consolidate everything onto iCloud for
> universal access and backups. I did so. That resulted in oddities like
> cmd-shift-D now opening iCloud/Desktop instead of something in my home
> directory. Or more accurately, there *is* a "Desktop" folder in my home
> directory that appears not to be an alias, but is invisible?
>
> Anyway, doing this caused the same thing to happen for the Documents
> folder. LiveCode apparently can't find the invisible folder, so e.g. it
> defaulted back to the copy of Navigator included with LiveCode -- which is
> ancient, no one should use it -- instead of the copy in ~/Documents/My
> Livecode/Plugins.
>
> So far, to fix it I hit cmd-shift-period in the Finder. That shows
> invisible files. I'm sure there's a way to un-invisible a folder, and
> hopefully that will fix the issue without causing any issues with what
> Ventura is trying to do with iCloud.
>
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

FYI I NEVER am going to consolidate all my documents in iCloud. That's like 
hanging a copy of all my keys in the community center that's open 24 hours a 
day to everyone. One day someone is going to lock the doors...

Bob S


On Nov 8, 2022, at 13:22 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I upgraded to Ventura over a week ago. No problems so far with one
exception: the OS suggested that I consolidate everything onto iCloud for
universal access and backups. I did so. That resulted in oddities like
cmd-shift-D now opening iCloud/Desktop instead of something in my home
directory. Or more accurately, there *is* a "Desktop" folder in my home
directory that appears not to be an alias, but is invisible?

Anyway, doing this caused the same thing to happen for the Documents
folder. LiveCode apparently can't find the invisible folder, so e.g. it
defaulted back to the copy of Navigator included with LiveCode -- which is
ancient, no one should use it -- instead of the copy in ~/Documents/My
Livecode/Plugins.

So far, to fix it I hit cmd-shift-period in the Finder. That shows
invisible files. I'm sure there's a way to un-invisible a folder, and
hopefully that will fix the issue without causing any issues with what
Ventura is trying to do with iCloud.

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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

I upgraded to Ventura over a week ago. No problems so far with one
exception: the OS suggested that I consolidate everything onto iCloud for
universal access and backups. I did so. That resulted in oddities like
cmd-shift-D now opening iCloud/Desktop instead of something in my home
directory. Or more accurately, there *is* a "Desktop" folder in my home
directory that appears not to be an alias, but is invisible?

Anyway, doing this caused the same thing to happen for the Documents
folder. LiveCode apparently can't find the invisible folder, so e.g. it
defaulted back to the copy of Navigator included with LiveCode -- which is
ancient, no one should use it -- instead of the copy in ~/Documents/My
Livecode/Plugins.

So far, to fix it I hit cmd-shift-period in the Finder. That shows
invisible files. I'm sure there's a way to un-invisible a folder, and
hopefully that will fix the issue without causing any issues with what
Ventura is trying to do with iCloud.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:30 AM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> the topic says it all
>
> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

any update on ventura? i'm holding off on my dev box.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:45 AM Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
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> Just to flag a different experience here. I can’t get the simulator to
> launch under Ventura on a Macbook Air M1.
>
> I have Xcode 13.2 installed and have “xcode-select” set to it. The
> preferences for mobile development are set correctly and when I try to
> launch a mobile app for testing on the simulator it gets stuck in the
> “launching app” dialog forever.
>
> And yes, I tried launching the simulator manually by going inside the
> bundle and the simulator is working fine.
>
>
>
> > On 25 Oct 2022, at 21:39, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to all confirming that LC runs fine under Ventura.
> >
> > I've upgraded now and i am now testing
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 25.10.2022 um 19:28 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> the topic says it all
> >>
> >> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> >> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Matthias
> >>
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Just to flag a different experience here. I can’t get the simulator to launch 
under Ventura on a Macbook Air M1.

I have Xcode 13.2 installed and have “xcode-select” set to it. The preferences 
for mobile development are set correctly and when I try to launch a mobile app 
for testing on the simulator it gets stuck in the “launching app” dialog 
forever.

And yes, I tried launching the simulator manually by going inside the bundle 
and the simulator is working fine.



> On 25 Oct 2022, at 21:39, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to all confirming that LC runs fine under Ventura.
> 
> I've upgraded now and i am now testing
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 25.10.2022 um 19:28 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> the topic says it all
>> 
>> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
>> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Thanks to all confirming that LC runs fine under Ventura.

I've upgraded now and i am now testing


Regards,
Matthias


> Am 25.10.2022 um 19:28 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the topic says it all
> 
> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
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I just upgraded to Ventura and noticed that only Xcode 14 can be opened on 
Ventura.

As LC 9.6.9 needs Xcode 13.2 on macOS 11 and above you can still use Xcode 13.2 
 in LC.
Just add the "old" Xcode 13.2 app in LC preferences under Mobile Support

and also change the path of the active developer directory back to Xcode 13.2 
by running this command in Terminal

sudo xcode-select -s 



> Am 25.10.2022 um 20:08 schrieb William de Smet via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> LC 9.6.9 (rc1) and LC 10.0.0. (dp4) works fine with me on Ventura.
> 
> I had Xcode 13.2.1 installed but that version does not work anymore.
> I wonder which Xcode version I need now.
> Which Xcode version works with LC now?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> groeten,
> 
> William
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Op di 25 okt. 2022 om 20:03 schreef Roger Guay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> 
>> I just opened LC 10 on Ventura with no problem
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> the topic says it all
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
>>> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[William de Smet via use-livecode]

LC 9.6.9 (rc1) and LC 10.0.0. (dp4) works fine with me on Ventura.

I had Xcode 13.2.1 installed but that version does not work anymore.
I wonder which Xcode version I need now.
Which Xcode version works with LC now?




groeten,

William




Op di 25 okt. 2022 om 20:03 schreef Roger Guay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> I just opened LC 10 on Ventura with no problem
>
> Cheers
> Roger
>
> > On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > the topic says it all
> >
> > Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> > Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I have been using 9.6.3 and 8.1.10 through all the beta versions of Mac OS
13, and there was a minor blip 3 betas back, and I sent a report about it
to Apple.

Since then, as far as I can tell, both of those versions work like a charm.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022, 21:03 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
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> I just opened LC 10 on Ventura with no problem
>
> Cheers
> Roger
>
> > On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > the topic says it all
> >
> > Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> > Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

I just opened LC 10 on Ventura with no problem

Cheers
Roger

> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the topic says it all
> 
> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

If you have the resources, just do a Time Machine backup so you can recover if 
needed. I did an upgrade recently on my home iMac, and it completely borked the 
boot volume. Luckily I had a TM backup and it saved my arsenal. First time I've 
seen a MacOS upgrade bork a boot volume. 

Bob S


> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:50 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Colin, then i will risk it to upgrade. ;)
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 25.10.2022 um 19:36 schrieb Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> I’m using 9.6.3, and it seems to work ok in Ventura.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> the topic says it all
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
>>> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias

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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Thanks Colin, then i will risk it to upgrade. ;)



> Am 25.10.2022 um 19:36 schrieb Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I’m using 9.6.3, and it seems to work ok in Ventura.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> the topic says it all
>> 
>> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
>> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I’m using 9.6.3, and it seems to work ok in Ventura.



> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the topic says it all
> 
> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
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Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi,

the topic says it all

Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
Are there any known problems/bugs or so?

Regards,
Matthias


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