Re: Banging on about Mac Classic

2012-11-08 Thread Jeff Reynolds 
Richmond,

I believe 2.6.1 was the last version with mac classic build abilities. in 2.8 
it was build for mac os classic will be available soon but never came i 
think. that was the final version for a long time that i had to keep building 
in when i had to support classic (then move stack to more recent version for 
osx build.)

i cant find an unlicensed zip of the 2.6.1 unfortunately..

jeff

ps i still fire up my old sinclair z80 once and a while for a giggle. micro 
tape recorder is not doing so well though and tapes i expect to disintegrate 
with each load! hard to find any rf display input though anymore--another dodo 
bird! i lost the manual for the z80 and getting harder and harder to remember 
how to make it all work!  basis 108 still lurks in the basement but no monitor 
for it... jr


On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 So  . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll 
 available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder
 if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, 
 the URL to download it?

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Re: Banging on about Mac Classic

2012-11-08 Thread Richmond 

On 11/08/2012 10:01 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

Richmond,

I believe 2.6.1 was the last version with mac classic build abilities. in 2.8 it was 
build for mac os classic will be available soon but never came i think. that 
was the final version for a long time that i had to keep building in when i had to 
support classic (then move stack to more recent version for osx build.)


As far as I know 3.5 could produce Classic builds. That, however is not 
what I was after;


what I was looking for was a Mac Classic version of RunRev, and, since I 
posted my message,
somebody sent me, off-list, an unlicensed version of 2.6.1, and I had a 
'mad' idea, and jacked up my SCSI
ZIP drive to a SCSI card in a PCI slot in a Linux box I have, and 
retrieved a Classic build of RunRev 2.0.


The main problem about transferring HC stuff to RR/LC is the bother of 
having to run 2 machines next door to each other; one
being a PPC Mac running OS 8-9, and the other pretty well anything else 
running a non-Classic version of RR/LC. By using a Classic
version of RR/LC one can get round this problem, and transfer stacks 
fairly directly.


2.0 was a build that allowed unlicensed users to build stacks and 
standalones as long as each object contained no more
than 10 lines of code (I designed a prototype agent-led GUI for software 
development with an unlicensed version:


http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RRRThesis/files/

as a Master's degree thesis at a University), and as such works 
reasonably well for transferring HC stacks.


To a lesser extent one can do this with Metacard 2.5 which is readily 
available:


http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE/files/

of course the difference between the RunRev UI and the Metacard UI is 
why RR/LC is still alive and kicking, while Metacard
is, now, a UI one can strap onto the RR/LC engine if one likes the 
experience of flying by the seat of one's pants.




i cant find an unlicensed zip of the 2.6.1 unfortunately..

jeff

ps i still fire up my old sinclair z80 once and a while for a giggle. micro 
tape recorder is not doing so well though and tapes i expect to disintegrate 
with each load! hard to find any rf display input though anymore--another dodo 
bird! i lost the manual for the z80 and getting harder and harder to remember 
how to make it all work!  basis 108 still lurks in the basement but no monitor 
for it... jr


On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:


So  . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll
available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder
if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so,
the URL to download it?

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Banging on about Mac Classic

2012-11-07 Thread Richmond 

Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking recidivist.

And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, admittedly, 
to transfer some HC stacks to LC
rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent once-upon-a-time, 
and/or spend buckets of time on

remaking things from scratch.

So  . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll 
available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder
if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, 
the URL to download it?


Peter Wood ???

Anyone else???

Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac 
Classic,

and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is.

Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of RunRev 
2.0.1.


Richmond.

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Re: Banging on about Mac Classic

2012-11-07 Thread Christophe Leske 

Am 07.11.2012 19:32, schrieb Richmond:

Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking recidivist.

And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, admittedly, 
to transfer some HC stacks to LC
rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent once-upon-a-time, 
and/or spend buckets of time on

remaking things from scratch.

So  . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll 
available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder
if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, 
the URL to download it?


Peter Wood ???

Anyone else???

Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac 
Classic,

and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is.

Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of 
RunRev 2.0.1.



MacOS 9 or lower?

Thou are speaking in tongues for me... :-)

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Re: Banging on about Mac Classic

2012-11-07 Thread Richmond 

On 11/07/2012 08:55 PM, Christophe Leske wrote:

Am 07.11.2012 19:32, schrieb Richmond:

Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking recidivist.

And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, 
admittedly, to transfer some HC stacks to LC
rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent once-upon-a-time, 
and/or spend buckets of time on

remaking things from scratch.

So  . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll 
available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder
if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if 
so, the URL to download it?


Peter Wood ???

Anyone else???

Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac 
Classic,

and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is.

Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of 
RunRev 2.0.1.



MacOS 9 or lower?

Thou are speaking in tongues for me... :-)



 A real case of bad grammar there; Thou art surely.

I am looking for RunRev 1.1 or 2.0.1 for Mac Classic to run on a G3 iMac 
I have running Mac OS 8.5.


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Re: Banging on about Mac Classic

2012-11-07 Thread Mike Kerner 
that's too new for me.  I think I have an LC sitting here that's running
7.0.1.


On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 11/07/2012 08:55 PM, Christophe Leske wrote:

 Am 07.11.2012 19:32, schrieb Richmond:

 Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking recidivist.

 And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, admittedly,
 to transfer some HC stacks to LC
 rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent once-upon-a-time,
 and/or spend buckets of time on
 remaking things from scratch.

 So  . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll
 available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder
 if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so,
 the URL to download it?

 Peter Wood ???

 Anyone else???

 Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac
 Classic,
 and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is.

 Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of RunRev
 2.0.1.



 MacOS 9 or lower?

 Thou are speaking in tongues for me... :-)


  A real case of bad grammar there; Thou art surely.

 I am looking for RunRev 1.1 or 2.0.1 for Mac Classic to run on a G3 iMac I
 have running Mac OS 8.5.


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Re: Banging on about Mac Classic

2012-11-07 Thread Richmond 

On 11/07/2012 09:08 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:

that's too new for me.  I think I have an LC sitting here that's running
7.0.1.


We can all play games of that sort - pace my BBC Micro running MOS - but 
this is a serious request for any information as to how
to obtain a Mac Classic version of RunRev/LC rather than indulge in 
hairy-chested competitions as to who has a steam-driven

computer.




On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:


On 11/07/2012 08:55 PM, Christophe Leske wrote:


Am 07.11.2012 19:32, schrieb Richmond:


Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking recidivist.

And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, admittedly,
to transfer some HC stacks to LC
rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent once-upon-a-time,
and/or spend buckets of time on
remaking things from scratch.

So  . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll
available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder
if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so,
the URL to download it?

Peter Wood ???

Anyone else???

Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac
Classic,
and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is.

Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of RunRev
2.0.1.



MacOS 9 or lower?

Thou are speaking in tongues for me... :-)



  A real case of bad grammar there; Thou art surely.

I am looking for RunRev 1.1 or 2.0.1 for Mac Classic to run on a G3 iMac I
have running Mac OS 8.5.


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Re: Banging on about Mac Classic

2012-11-07 Thread Mike Kerner 
I can't believe you're making fun of my LC by calling it steam-driven.
 Yes, it has heat issues, but it still happily runs a HC stack I wrote for
it some 20 years ago.


Let me know if you get any replies.  I might like to try putting LC on it
and trying it out, but would the XCMD's/XFCN's work?


On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 11/07/2012 09:08 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:

 that's too new for me.  I think I have an LC sitting here that's running
 7.0.1.


 We can all play games of that sort - pace my BBC Micro running MOS - but
 this is a serious request for any information as to how
 to obtain a Mac Classic version of RunRev/LC rather than indulge in
 hairy-chested competitions as to who has a steam-driven
 computer.



 On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com**
 wrote:

  On 11/07/2012 08:55 PM, Christophe Leske wrote:

  Am 07.11.2012 19:32, schrieb Richmond:

  Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking
 recidivist.

 And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, admittedly,
 to transfer some HC stacks to LC
 rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent once-upon-a-time,
 and/or spend buckets of time on
 remaking things from scratch.

 So  . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll
 available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder
 if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so,
 the URL to download it?

 Peter Wood ???

 Anyone else???

 Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac
 Classic,
 and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is.

 Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of
 RunRev
 2.0.1.


 MacOS 9 or lower?

 Thou are speaking in tongues for me... :-)


A real case of bad grammar there; Thou art surely.

 I am looking for RunRev 1.1 or 2.0.1 for Mac Classic to run on a G3 iMac
 I
 have running Mac OS 8.5.


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Re: Banging on about Mac Classic

2012-11-07 Thread Richmond 

On 11/07/2012 09:28 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:

I can't believe you're making fun of my LC by calling it steam-driven.
  Yes, it has heat issues, but it still happily runs a HC stack I wrote for
it some 20 years ago.


I wasn't calling your LC steam-driven (unless it is a different model 
to my LC III); but
I was pointing out, ever-so-subtly, that my BBC Micro Master Compact 
beat your LC into a cocked hat :)





Let me know if you get any replies.  I might like to try putting LC on it
and trying it out, but would the XCMD's/XFCN's work?





As far as I am aware XCMDs and XFCNs for Hypercard do not work with RR/LC.

However, an awful lot of code is readily transferable, and having a lot 
of stacks I wrote for HC backed up
(on ZIP disks: hence my Linux box having a SCSI PCI card), it might not 
be a bad idea to transfer some of the cleverer

ones to RR 1.1.1 rather than have to rewrite everything from scratch.

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