Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-24 Thread stephen barncard
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote:

 they tick. If it were me I'd crack the case open, remove the battery
 and just have it plugged in permanently. The other fire problem you


there goes battery backup. You'll need a UPS then.

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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-23 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 12:46 PM, stephen barncard 
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:

 I think the extreme cheap-out solutions would be a disservice to the
 client, especially with regard to reliability.


It's not a client; it's my own parish :)

Anyway, I agree:  we want something to do once and be done.

Once we record the bells, would an iOS device (ipod touch, iphone, ipad) be
able to do the same thing?  Leave it permanently plugged to power and the
adaptors?


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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-23 Thread stephen barncard
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Once we record the bells, would an iOS device (ipod touch, iphone, ipad) be
 able to do the same thing?  Leave it permanently plugged to power and the
 adaptors?


so tempting to steal or lose. Interface is more difficult.


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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-23 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 3:51 PM, stephen barncard 
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:

 so tempting to steal or lose. Interface is more difficult.


My initial reaction is that if someone is breaking into a byzantine church,
electronics will be *way* low on their priority list.  The icons alone will
be worth far more than the building . . .

But I suppose an ipod would be a target of opportunity  temptation.
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-23 Thread JB
America and society have changed drastically in the
last 10 years.

People are organized and many times they steal from
you are damage something you own simply because
they want to destroy you.  Aa a group they are like a
bunch of termites.  They each do their part no matter
lhow small it is because they know that even if they
each steal or somehow cost you a dollar if a hundred
of them do it to you a month you have lost one hundred
dollars.  They don’t stop at a hundred dollars and just
all keep attacking you in many different ways.

John Balgenorth


On Aug 23, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 3:51 PM, stephen barncard 
 stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:
 
 so tempting to steal or lose. Interface is more difficult.
 
 
 My initial reaction is that if someone is breaking into a byzantine church,
 electronics will be *way* low on their priority list.  The icons alone will
 be worth far more than the building . . .
 
 But I suppose an ipod would be a target of opportunity  temptation.
 -- 
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-23 Thread Kay C Lan
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyway, I agree:  we want something to do once and be done.

 Once we record the bells, would an iOS device (ipod touch, iphone, ipad) be
 able to do the same thing?  Leave it permanently plugged to power and the
 adaptors?

iOS devices all come with the Clock app. When you select Alarm, and
create an Alarm you get to choose the sound, above the top of the list
of inbuilt sounds is 'Choose a Song' which will let you pick something
from your iTunes library. Again you can set up multiple repeating
alarms (or one off) alarms and have each of them play a different
song.

WHAT I DO NOT KNOW in this case is when left unattended, will it play
the song all the way to the end, will it enter snooze mode, if no one
does anything will it start again 5 min later? With iCal on a Mac it
can be set to play the music file and that was it, no snooze, nothing.

But the thing is, it's so easy to test. Go to Radio Shack, grab a
3.5mm to RCA adapter cable ( a couple of bucks) and plug your iPhone
into  your home stereo (if you don't want to test it on the church
system) and give it a test run. The youth in our church plug their
iPod/iPhones into our PA system all the time for dances, so really the
only thing you'll be testing is can you get it to play a song at a
specific time, the whole song, and not have some snooze feature that
keeps bugging you that you haven't responded to the original alarm.

As for theft, in our church audio visual cabinet are 3 Satellite
receivers, a mixer, an equalizer, several power amplifiers, an input
selector, a dvd recorder/player, a media player (SD card, HD,
Internet) and probably some other bits and pieces I can't think of
right now as I'm not standing in front of it. The cabinet, and room
that it sits in is normally locked and is only opened when someone
signs out the keys so they can plug their iPod into the Aux cable (I
bought the adapter cable and plugged it in years ago, so the 3.5mm end
is just sitting there, they plug their iPod in and change the input
selector to Aux, fiddle with the volume on their iPod and the Master
Volume of the PA system until they get it just right). If there
happened to be another iDevice already in there, then it would be
mounted on one of those security cables they use at the Apple Store
making it just as easy to take as any other device in the cabinet.

Given the price differential, I'd certainly give it a test drive.
Also, the beauty of such a system would be when ever you decided you
wanted to change the songs, add some different ones, create some
special alarms, etc etc, you can guarantee that some teenager in the
congregation could do it all blind folded.  With the system that is
proposed, I guarantee that once set up (probably all by the company
themselves) that should there be any changes required someone is going
to have to find the manual, read the manual, spend hours trying to get
the system to do what the manual says should happen, and then in
frustration call the manufacturer and pay for someone to come out and
make the changes. And as for longevity and cost to maintain, I reckon
I could ask our congregation on a yearly basis if anyone had an old
iDevice they could donate to replace the broken 'bell ringer' and I'd
get a positive response; but of course it wont need replacing every
year.

Actually my biggest concern would be fire. Lithium batteries in modern
devices are all ticking time bombs, and the older they get the faster
they tick. If it were me I'd crack the case open, remove the battery
and just have it plugged in permanently. The other fire problem you
have is that you'd still not want to have the entire system powered up
24/7, you still need some way of turning all the amps On 5--10 min
before you need them and turned Off 5-10min after you've finished. If
you used an old Mac, a product like this would be useful:

http://www.pwrusb.com/powerUSB-digitaI0.html

Many modern audio components have a 12V trigger input that allows you
to control if remotely; typically change between Standby and On modes.
Those devices that don't have such a feature can be turned Off and On
using the regular power sockets on PowerUSB. So with an old MacMini
permanently plugged in with a USB connection to a PowerUSB power strip
you could schedule it to turn On 10 min before your alarm was needed,
doing so could turn On 2 devices via the 12V trigger outlet of the
PowerUSB and 4 devices plugged into the normal A/C outlets of the
PowerUSB. iCal could play the bells at the appropriate time, 10 min
after it's all over, the MacMini could be scheduled to turn Off at
which point the PowerUSB would also turn Off the 4 A/C outlets and
turn the two 12 V trigger devices to Standby Mode.

If you just went with an iDevice, the other product:

http://www.pwrusb.com/powerUSB-smart.html

would be helpful but it doesn't have the additional 12 V trigger
outlets so you could only control 4 devices - although 

Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-22 Thread Kay C Lan
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

 It plays from a selection of pre-recorded music (and I think it can add
 more).

 The very simple solutions won't work; it needs to, for example, go off
 every day at 6.

Used early model MacMini via eBay - $50-$100

Used AKAI LPK25 Midi Controller Interface Keyboard via eBay = $30

Garageband - Free.

Start it up, select a 'Keyboard' project, from there you can select
'Mallets' which include both Aurora and Church Bells.

Have some talented person play away to their hearts content - should
be able to record several thousand hours of continuous music on an
average old Mac HD.

Save best renditions from Garageband to mp3

Start iCal (if your unlucky and have a new Mac it might have Calendar
installed in which case UPGRADE it by installing an earlier version of
OS X like Snow Leopard that comes with the much more useful iCal) and
create an Event 'Ring Church Bells' at 6:15 and have it repeat every
day*. Set it's alarm to 15** mins before and have it Open file
selecting the church bell mp3 file of your choice***.

If possible plug the headphone jack straight into the amp Aux inputs -
need a 3.5mm to RCA adapter cable. A couple of dollars at RadioShack.
If this isn't possible, a 1st generation Airport Express with AirPlay
(eBay $40) will allow you to wirelessly stream the music from the Mac
to the Amplifier.

If power consumption is a problem a basic home timer could be set to
turn the amp on from 5:45 to 6:15.

* Obviously you are not limited to a once a day event. You can create
alarms for every hour, 1/2 hour, or whatever.

** You will need to set the Mac to start and autostart iTunes each day
at 5:55 and make sure the Mac is not set to go to sleep inside 15min
of inactivity, otherwise, if iTunes isn't already running there will
be a noticeable delay waiting for iTunes to start or the computer to
wake up.

*** You could create 7 different events, one for each day, repeated
weekly, and choose a different mp3 file for each day of the week. You
could create special alarms for specific holidays and seasons and play
specific files appropriate for those events.

Discounting the time spent in bidding wars on eBay, it should take
about an hour to set up.

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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-22 Thread JB
A good Heavy Duty 15 amp home timer.

Intermatic-DT620-Indoor-Digital-Plug-In

Don’t use the manual switch with a heavy
load.  It seems to shorten the life.

John Balgenorth


On Aug 22, 2014, at 1:58 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It plays from a selection of pre-recorded music (and I think it can add
 more).
 
 The very simple solutions won't work; it needs to, for example, go off
 every day at 6.
 
 Used early model MacMini via eBay - $50-$100
 
 Used AKAI LPK25 Midi Controller Interface Keyboard via eBay = $30
 
 Garageband - Free.
 
 Start it up, select a 'Keyboard' project, from there you can select
 'Mallets' which include both Aurora and Church Bells.
 
 Have some talented person play away to their hearts content - should
 be able to record several thousand hours of continuous music on an
 average old Mac HD.
 
 Save best renditions from Garageband to mp3
 
 Start iCal (if your unlucky and have a new Mac it might have Calendar
 installed in which case UPGRADE it by installing an earlier version of
 OS X like Snow Leopard that comes with the much more useful iCal) and
 create an Event 'Ring Church Bells' at 6:15 and have it repeat every
 day*. Set it's alarm to 15** mins before and have it Open file
 selecting the church bell mp3 file of your choice***.
 
 If possible plug the headphone jack straight into the amp Aux inputs -
 need a 3.5mm to RCA adapter cable. A couple of dollars at RadioShack.
 If this isn't possible, a 1st generation Airport Express with AirPlay
 (eBay $40) will allow you to wirelessly stream the music from the Mac
 to the Amplifier.
 
 If power consumption is a problem a basic home timer could be set to
 turn the amp on from 5:45 to 6:15.
 
 * Obviously you are not limited to a once a day event. You can create
 alarms for every hour, 1/2 hour, or whatever.
 
 ** You will need to set the Mac to start and autostart iTunes each day
 at 5:55 and make sure the Mac is not set to go to sleep inside 15min
 of inactivity, otherwise, if iTunes isn't already running there will
 be a noticeable delay waiting for iTunes to start or the computer to
 wake up.
 
 *** You could create 7 different events, one for each day, repeated
 weekly, and choose a different mp3 file for each day of the week. You
 could create special alarms for specific holidays and seasons and play
 specific files appropriate for those events.
 
 Discounting the time spent in bidding wars on eBay, it should take
 about an hour to set up.
 
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-22 Thread stephen barncard
I think the extreme cheap-out solutions would be a disservice to the
client, especially with regard to reliability.

*--*
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On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:46 AM, JB sund...@pacifier.com wrote:

 A good Heavy Duty 15 amp home timer.

 Intermatic-DT620-Indoor-Digital-Plug-In

 Don’t use the manual switch with a heavy
 load.  It seems to shorten the life.

 John Balgenorth


 On Aug 22, 2014, at 1:58 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  It plays from a selection of pre-recorded music (and I think it can add
  more).
 
  The very simple solutions won't work; it needs to, for example, go off
  every day at 6.
 
  Used early model MacMini via eBay - $50-$100
 
  Used AKAI LPK25 Midi Controller Interface Keyboard via eBay = $30
 
  Garageband - Free.
 
  Start it up, select a 'Keyboard' project, from there you can select
  'Mallets' which include both Aurora and Church Bells.
 
  Have some talented person play away to their hearts content - should
  be able to record several thousand hours of continuous music on an
  average old Mac HD.
 
  Save best renditions from Garageband to mp3
 
  Start iCal (if your unlucky and have a new Mac it might have Calendar
  installed in which case UPGRADE it by installing an earlier version of
  OS X like Snow Leopard that comes with the much more useful iCal) and
  create an Event 'Ring Church Bells' at 6:15 and have it repeat every
  day*. Set it's alarm to 15** mins before and have it Open file
  selecting the church bell mp3 file of your choice***.
 
  If possible plug the headphone jack straight into the amp Aux inputs -
  need a 3.5mm to RCA adapter cable. A couple of dollars at RadioShack.
  If this isn't possible, a 1st generation Airport Express with AirPlay
  (eBay $40) will allow you to wirelessly stream the music from the Mac
  to the Amplifier.
 
  If power consumption is a problem a basic home timer could be set to
  turn the amp on from 5:45 to 6:15.
 
  * Obviously you are not limited to a once a day event. You can create
  alarms for every hour, 1/2 hour, or whatever.
 
  ** You will need to set the Mac to start and autostart iTunes each day
  at 5:55 and make sure the Mac is not set to go to sleep inside 15min
  of inactivity, otherwise, if iTunes isn't already running there will
  be a noticeable delay waiting for iTunes to start or the computer to
  wake up.
 
  *** You could create 7 different events, one for each day, repeated
  weekly, and choose a different mp3 file for each day of the week. You
  could create special alarms for specific holidays and seasons and play
  specific files appropriate for those events.
 
  Discounting the time spent in bidding wars on eBay, it should take
  about an hour to set up.
 
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-19 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
wrote:

 It also isn't clear whether the bell should be just a single tone or if it
 needs to play music.  The cost of the original proposed system implies
 there is more to it than just a single bell.


It plays from a selection of pre-recorded music (and I think it can add
more).

I think our old dead one (can't even get parts for it anymore) had little
physical chimes, but it's past yet another repair.

The very simple solutions won't work; it needs to, for example, go off
every day at 6.



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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-19 Thread Rick Harrison
How about a simple timer from Radioshack?
You can set it to go on at 6:00pm and go off
again one or two minutes later, or whenever
you want.

I wouldn’t give up on simple solutions
so easily if I were you.

Just my 2 cents.

Rick

On Aug 19, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
 wrote:
 
 It also isn't clear whether the bell should be just a single tone or if it
 needs to play music.  The cost of the original proposed system implies
 there is more to it than just a single bell.
 
 
 It plays from a selection of pre-recorded music (and I think it can add
 more).
 
 I think our old dead one (can't even get parts for it anymore) had little
 physical chimes, but it's past yet another repair.
 
 The very simple solutions won't work; it needs to, for example, go off
 every day at 6.
 
 
 
 -- 
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 (702) 508-8462
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-18 Thread Richmond

On 18/08/14 05:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:

Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee.

It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be left 
turned on for a long time.

Peter
UCLA




Not at $6000 it isn't!

Quasimodo.

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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-18 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi there,

The idea that the church bell needs an app is total overkill.

Get a simple Radioshack or Home Depot wireless doorbell
type device and hook up the output to a relay that turns on
the amplifier and the bell tone.  (Many times the relay is included,
because that’s how it works!)  Even “The Clapper” might be
a cheap solution for this at $20.

Also look at the http://www.insteon.com

There is no way this project should be $6,000 or more.
Someone is gouging you with that pricey solution.

I’ve done things like this all the time.  It’s easy, and you
don’t need an app for it.

Just my 2 cents.

Rick


On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:23 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 18/08/14 05:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
 Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee.
 
 It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be 
 left turned on for a long time.
 
 Peter
 UCLA
 
 
 
 Not at $6000 it isn't!
 
 Quasimodo.
 
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-18 Thread dunbarx
The idea was to be able to start the bell at specific times, perhaps for 
specific intervals. Certainly an off the shelf electronic timer could do that 
job.


Not as much fun though. In a project I did a couple of years ago in the middle 
east, an event had to be executed for the five prayer times each day. Or rather 
a process had to be stopped for those times. These varied at different times of 
the year, since dawn did not seem to be a constant. Try that with a simple 
timer.


Overkill for the sheer fun of it is a matter of style. Perhaps the OP will give 
more specifics as to the requirements, to see if an old laptop and LC with an 
interface gadget or a $50 timer is appropriate.


Craig Newman







-Original Message-
From: Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.com
To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 10:12 am
Subject: Re: Church bell app?


Hi there,

The idea that the church bell needs an app is total overkill.

Get a simple Radioshack or Home Depot wireless doorbell
type device and hook up the output to a relay that turns on
the amplifier and the bell tone.  (Many times the relay is included,
because that’s how it works!)  Even “The Clapper” might be
a cheap solution for this at $20.

Also look at the http://www.insteon.com

There is no way this project should be $6,000 or more.
Someone is gouging you with that pricey solution.

I’ve done things like this all the time.  It’s easy, and you
don’t need an app for it.

Just my 2 cents.

Rick


On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:23 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 18/08/14 05:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
 Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee.
 
 It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be 
left turned on for a long time.
 
 Peter
 UCLA
 
 
 
 Not at $6000 it isn't!
 
 Quasimodo.
 
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-18 Thread Mike Kerner
Steampunking is always great.  For church bells, part of the problem will
be getting the tone, cadence, etc. the way you want it.  That was what I
was trying to point out with the goal horns app - that you might be able to
reproduce the sound of the sort of bells, chimes, etc. that you want.  If
you go to a garden store, think about all the different windchimes that are
sold and how different they are between brands, sizes, materials, coatings,
etc.  Some manufacturers take great care in tuning their chimes just so,
trying to get a certain decay and harmony.  The same can be said of bells.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:52 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

 The idea was to be able to start the bell at specific times, perhaps for
 specific intervals. Certainly an off the shelf electronic timer could do
 that job.


 Not as much fun though. In a project I did a couple of years ago in the
 middle east, an event had to be executed for the five prayer times each
 day. Or rather a process had to be stopped for those times. These varied at
 different times of the year, since dawn did not seem to be a constant. Try
 that with a simple timer.


 Overkill for the sheer fun of it is a matter of style. Perhaps the OP will
 give more specifics as to the requirements, to see if an old laptop and LC
 with an interface gadget or a $50 timer is appropriate.


 Craig Newman







 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 10:12 am
 Subject: Re: Church bell app?


 Hi there,

 The idea that the church bell needs an app is total overkill.

 Get a simple Radioshack or Home Depot wireless doorbell
 type device and hook up the output to a relay that turns on
 the amplifier and the bell tone.  (Many times the relay is included,
 because that’s how it works!)  Even “The Clapper” might be
 a cheap solution for this at $20.

 Also look at the http://www.insteon.com

 There is no way this project should be $6,000 or more.
 Someone is gouging you with that pricey solution.

 I’ve done things like this all the time.  It’s easy, and you
 don’t need an app for it.

 Just my 2 cents.

 Rick


 On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:23 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 18/08/14 05:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
  Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee.
 
  It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to
 be
 left turned on for a long time.
 
  Peter
  UCLA
 
 
 
  Not at $6000 it isn't!
 
  Quasimodo.
 
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-18 Thread dunbarx
So then LC may be the solution, since it can play any sort of sound. That it 
can also play those sounds when you want it to is just lagniappe.


Craig



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From: Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com
To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 10:59 am
Subject: Re: Church bell app?


Steampunking is always great.  For church bells, part of the problem will
be getting the tone, cadence, etc. the way you want it.  That was what I
was trying to point out with the goal horns app - that you might be able to
reproduce the sound of the sort of bells, chimes, etc. that you want.  If
you go to a garden store, think about all the different windchimes that are
sold and how different they are between brands, sizes, materials, coatings,
etc.  Some manufacturers take great care in tuning their chimes just so,
trying to get a certain decay and harmony.  The same can be said of bells.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:52 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

 The idea was to be able to start the bell at specific times, perhaps for
 specific intervals. Certainly an off the shelf electronic timer could do
 that job.


 Not as much fun though. In a project I did a couple of years ago in the
 middle east, an event had to be executed for the five prayer times each
 day. Or rather a process had to be stopped for those times. These varied at
 different times of the year, since dawn did not seem to be a constant. Try
 that with a simple timer.


 Overkill for the sheer fun of it is a matter of style. Perhaps the OP will
 give more specifics as to the requirements, to see if an old laptop and LC
 with an interface gadget or a $50 timer is appropriate.


 Craig Newman







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 From: Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 10:12 am
 Subject: Re: Church bell app?


 Hi there,

 The idea that the church bell needs an app is total overkill.

 Get a simple Radioshack or Home Depot wireless doorbell
 type device and hook up the output to a relay that turns on
 the amplifier and the bell tone.  (Many times the relay is included,
 because that’s how it works!)  Even “The Clapper” might be
 a cheap solution for this at $20.

 Also look at the http://www.insteon.com

 There is no way this project should be $6,000 or more.
 Someone is gouging you with that pricey solution.

 I’ve done things like this all the time.  It’s easy, and you
 don’t need an app for it.

 Just my 2 cents.

 Rick


 On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:23 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 18/08/14 05:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
  Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee.
 
  It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to
 be
 left turned on for a long time.
 
  Peter
  UCLA
 
 
 
  Not at $6000 it isn't!
 
  Quasimodo.
 
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-18 Thread J. Landman Gay
It also isn't clear whether the bell should be just a single tone or if it 
needs to play music.  The cost of the original proposed system implies there is 
more to it than just a single bell. 

On August 18, 2014 9:52:54 AM CDT, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
The idea was to be able to start the bell at specific times, perhaps
for specific intervals. 

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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-18 Thread Peter Haworth
The big sound system companies have departments that specialize in selling
to churches, it's big business. Most of the church systems I've seen are
huge overkill so the $6000 price tag doesn't surprise me at all. More often
than not, nobody at the church has a clue as to how to use them, except to
switch them on and off.

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On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
wrote:

 It also isn't clear whether the bell should be just a single tone or if it
 needs to play music.  The cost of the original proposed system implies
 there is more to it than just a single bell.

 On August 18, 2014 9:52:54 AM CDT, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
 The idea was to be able to start the bell at specific times, perhaps
 for specific intervals.

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Church bell app?

2014-08-17 Thread Dr. Hawkins
I just about choked over the price:  my church is gearing up to pay $6,500
for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers
from the old system).

I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near
trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier.  THe hardest part would
be turning an amplifier on . . .

Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one?

All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play
sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules,
and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic  Orthodox play the
bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]).

Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would
cost to commission?



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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-17 Thread Richmond

On 18/08/14 00:06, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

I just about choked over the price:  my church is gearing up to pay $6,500
for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers
from the old system).

I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near
trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier.  THe hardest part would
be turning an amplifier on . . .

Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one?

All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play
sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules,
and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic  Orthodox play the
bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]).

Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would
cost to commission?





That's odd; all the churches I know they have somebody who rings the bells.

By that I mean 'bells' as in 'bells' not fake bells.

Richmond.

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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-17 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
wrote:

 That's odd; all the churches I know they have somebody who rings the bells.

 By that I mean 'bells' as in 'bells' not fake bells.


That would certainly be preferred, but it isn't always possible.  Our
building wouldn't even support the structure (our onion dome would have
caused problems if it hadn't been removed).

We absolutely need to be ringing again from this building before we start
building the new one in a year or so (or we could lose them forever).

And without a full time staff, ringing at specified hours throughout the
day would be kind of rough . . .
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-17 Thread Colin Holgate
In answer to an unrelated question I was looking at this earlier today:

http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F7C027/

With something like that you ought to be able to remotely turn on the power to 
the amplifier, and play the appropriate sound from the same device that told 
the amplifier to turn on. And yes, it could be a LiveCode Android app, running 
on the cheapest Android capable of playing audio and running apps. There would 
need to be a network, and I’m unclear on what address you would send the signal 
to (to turn on the WeMo), but it feels like it would be easy to do.

Craig might have some useful opinions on this. He’s done more stack controlled 
hardware than all other people on earth combined.



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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-17 Thread Mike Kerner
you mean something like this? http://goo.gl/NhJTkp


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote:

 In answer to an unrelated question I was looking at this earlier today:

 http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F7C027/

 With something like that you ought to be able to remotely turn on the
 power to the amplifier, and play the appropriate sound from the same device
 that told the amplifier to turn on. And yes, it could be a LiveCode Android
 app, running on the cheapest Android capable of playing audio and running
 apps. There would need to be a network, and I’m unclear on what address you
 would send the signal to (to turn on the WeMo), but it feels like it would
 be easy to do.

 Craig might have some useful opinions on this. He’s done more stack
 controlled hardware than all other people on earth combined.



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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-17 Thread dunbarx
I have done much more than this with a gadget I now and then mention. Bonig und 
Kallenbach Service USB Plus.


Fun and simple. A few hundred dollars for the hardware, a few hours of joy for 
the software.


I can kibitz if you want, but this is easy fun stuff.



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From: Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com
To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 5:06 pm
Subject: Church bell app?


I just about choked over the price:  my church is gearing up to pay $6,500
for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers
from the old system).

I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near
trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier.  THe hardest part would
be turning an amplifier on . . .

Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one?

All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play
sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules,
and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic  Orthodox play the
bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]).

Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would
cost to commission?



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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-17 Thread Tim Selander
The application you need is indeed rather trivial. I used hypercard to 
completely automate a radio station years and years ago.

But if you would like an application ready to go, here is one:
http://www.nch.com.au/atime/

Any old laptop will run it, and as far as turning the amp on and off, just 
leave it on. If there is no load on the amp, it will not draw very much power.

My two yen.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


 On 2014/08/18, at 10:15, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
 
 I have done much more than this with a gadget I now and then mention. Bonig 
 und Kallenbach Service USB Plus.
 
 
 Fun and simple. A few hundred dollars for the hardware, a few hours of joy 
 for the software.
 
 
 I can kibitz if you want, but this is easy fun stuff.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 5:06 pm
 Subject: Church bell app?
 
 
 I just about choked over the price:  my church is gearing up to pay $6,500
 for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers
 from the old system).
 
 I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near
 trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier.  THe hardest part would
 be turning an amplifier on . . .
 
 Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one?
 
 All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play
 sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules,
 and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic  Orthodox play the
 bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]).
 
 Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would
 cost to commission?
 
 
 
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 (702) 508-8462
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Re: Church bell app?

2014-08-17 Thread Peter Bogdanoff
Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee.

It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be left 
turned on for a long time.

Peter
UCLA

On Aug 17, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 18/08/14 00:06, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
 I just about choked over the price:  my church is gearing up to pay $6,500
 for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers
 from the old system).
 
 I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near
 trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier.  THe hardest part would
 be turning an amplifier on . . .
 
 Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one?
 
 All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play
 sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules,
 and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic  Orthodox play the
 bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]).
 
 Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would
 cost to commission?
 
 
 
 
 That's odd; all the churches I know they have somebody who rings the bells.
 
 By that I mean 'bells' as in 'bells' not fake bells.
 
 Richmond.
 
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RE: Church bell app?

2014-08-17 Thread Ralph DiMola
It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be
left turned on for a long time.

Unless it's a class A amp.

Ralph DiMola
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Of Peter Bogdanoff
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:54 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Church bell app?

Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee.

It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be
left turned on for a long time.

Peter
UCLA

On Aug 17, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 18/08/14 00:06, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
 I just about choked over the price:  my church is gearing up to pay 
 $6,500 for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have 
 the speakers from the old system).
 
 I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a 
 near trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier.  THe hardest 
 part would be turning an amplifier on . . .
 
 Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one?
 
 All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier 
 and play sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on 
 the schedules, and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic 
  Orthodox play the bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]).
 
 Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one 
 would cost to commission?
 
 
 
 
 That's odd; all the churches I know they have somebody who rings the
bells.
 
 By that I mean 'bells' as in 'bells' not fake bells.
 
 Richmond.
 
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