Re: Church bell app?
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: they tick. If it were me I'd crack the case open, remove the battery and just have it plugged in permanently. The other fire problem you there goes battery backup. You'll need a UPS then. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Church bell app?
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 12:46 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: I think the extreme cheap-out solutions would be a disservice to the client, especially with regard to reliability. It's not a client; it's my own parish :) Anyway, I agree: we want something to do once and be done. Once we record the bells, would an iOS device (ipod touch, iphone, ipad) be able to do the same thing? Leave it permanently plugged to power and the adaptors? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: Once we record the bells, would an iOS device (ipod touch, iphone, ipad) be able to do the same thing? Leave it permanently plugged to power and the adaptors? so tempting to steal or lose. Interface is more difficult. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 3:51 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: so tempting to steal or lose. Interface is more difficult. My initial reaction is that if someone is breaking into a byzantine church, electronics will be *way* low on their priority list. The icons alone will be worth far more than the building . . . But I suppose an ipod would be a target of opportunity temptation. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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America and society have changed drastically in the last 10 years. People are organized and many times they steal from you are damage something you own simply because they want to destroy you. Aa a group they are like a bunch of termites. They each do their part no matter lhow small it is because they know that even if they each steal or somehow cost you a dollar if a hundred of them do it to you a month you have lost one hundred dollars. They don’t stop at a hundred dollars and just all keep attacking you in many different ways. John Balgenorth On Aug 23, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 3:51 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: so tempting to steal or lose. Interface is more difficult. My initial reaction is that if someone is breaking into a byzantine church, electronics will be *way* low on their priority list. The icons alone will be worth far more than the building . . . But I suppose an ipod would be a target of opportunity temptation. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, I agree: we want something to do once and be done. Once we record the bells, would an iOS device (ipod touch, iphone, ipad) be able to do the same thing? Leave it permanently plugged to power and the adaptors? iOS devices all come with the Clock app. When you select Alarm, and create an Alarm you get to choose the sound, above the top of the list of inbuilt sounds is 'Choose a Song' which will let you pick something from your iTunes library. Again you can set up multiple repeating alarms (or one off) alarms and have each of them play a different song. WHAT I DO NOT KNOW in this case is when left unattended, will it play the song all the way to the end, will it enter snooze mode, if no one does anything will it start again 5 min later? With iCal on a Mac it can be set to play the music file and that was it, no snooze, nothing. But the thing is, it's so easy to test. Go to Radio Shack, grab a 3.5mm to RCA adapter cable ( a couple of bucks) and plug your iPhone into your home stereo (if you don't want to test it on the church system) and give it a test run. The youth in our church plug their iPod/iPhones into our PA system all the time for dances, so really the only thing you'll be testing is can you get it to play a song at a specific time, the whole song, and not have some snooze feature that keeps bugging you that you haven't responded to the original alarm. As for theft, in our church audio visual cabinet are 3 Satellite receivers, a mixer, an equalizer, several power amplifiers, an input selector, a dvd recorder/player, a media player (SD card, HD, Internet) and probably some other bits and pieces I can't think of right now as I'm not standing in front of it. The cabinet, and room that it sits in is normally locked and is only opened when someone signs out the keys so they can plug their iPod into the Aux cable (I bought the adapter cable and plugged it in years ago, so the 3.5mm end is just sitting there, they plug their iPod in and change the input selector to Aux, fiddle with the volume on their iPod and the Master Volume of the PA system until they get it just right). If there happened to be another iDevice already in there, then it would be mounted on one of those security cables they use at the Apple Store making it just as easy to take as any other device in the cabinet. Given the price differential, I'd certainly give it a test drive. Also, the beauty of such a system would be when ever you decided you wanted to change the songs, add some different ones, create some special alarms, etc etc, you can guarantee that some teenager in the congregation could do it all blind folded. With the system that is proposed, I guarantee that once set up (probably all by the company themselves) that should there be any changes required someone is going to have to find the manual, read the manual, spend hours trying to get the system to do what the manual says should happen, and then in frustration call the manufacturer and pay for someone to come out and make the changes. And as for longevity and cost to maintain, I reckon I could ask our congregation on a yearly basis if anyone had an old iDevice they could donate to replace the broken 'bell ringer' and I'd get a positive response; but of course it wont need replacing every year. Actually my biggest concern would be fire. Lithium batteries in modern devices are all ticking time bombs, and the older they get the faster they tick. If it were me I'd crack the case open, remove the battery and just have it plugged in permanently. The other fire problem you have is that you'd still not want to have the entire system powered up 24/7, you still need some way of turning all the amps On 5--10 min before you need them and turned Off 5-10min after you've finished. If you used an old Mac, a product like this would be useful: http://www.pwrusb.com/powerUSB-digitaI0.html Many modern audio components have a 12V trigger input that allows you to control if remotely; typically change between Standby and On modes. Those devices that don't have such a feature can be turned Off and On using the regular power sockets on PowerUSB. So with an old MacMini permanently plugged in with a USB connection to a PowerUSB power strip you could schedule it to turn On 10 min before your alarm was needed, doing so could turn On 2 devices via the 12V trigger outlet of the PowerUSB and 4 devices plugged into the normal A/C outlets of the PowerUSB. iCal could play the bells at the appropriate time, 10 min after it's all over, the MacMini could be scheduled to turn Off at which point the PowerUSB would also turn Off the 4 A/C outlets and turn the two 12 V trigger devices to Standby Mode. If you just went with an iDevice, the other product: http://www.pwrusb.com/powerUSB-smart.html would be helpful but it doesn't have the additional 12 V trigger outlets so you could only control 4 devices - although
Re: Church bell app?
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: It plays from a selection of pre-recorded music (and I think it can add more). The very simple solutions won't work; it needs to, for example, go off every day at 6. Used early model MacMini via eBay - $50-$100 Used AKAI LPK25 Midi Controller Interface Keyboard via eBay = $30 Garageband - Free. Start it up, select a 'Keyboard' project, from there you can select 'Mallets' which include both Aurora and Church Bells. Have some talented person play away to their hearts content - should be able to record several thousand hours of continuous music on an average old Mac HD. Save best renditions from Garageband to mp3 Start iCal (if your unlucky and have a new Mac it might have Calendar installed in which case UPGRADE it by installing an earlier version of OS X like Snow Leopard that comes with the much more useful iCal) and create an Event 'Ring Church Bells' at 6:15 and have it repeat every day*. Set it's alarm to 15** mins before and have it Open file selecting the church bell mp3 file of your choice***. If possible plug the headphone jack straight into the amp Aux inputs - need a 3.5mm to RCA adapter cable. A couple of dollars at RadioShack. If this isn't possible, a 1st generation Airport Express with AirPlay (eBay $40) will allow you to wirelessly stream the music from the Mac to the Amplifier. If power consumption is a problem a basic home timer could be set to turn the amp on from 5:45 to 6:15. * Obviously you are not limited to a once a day event. You can create alarms for every hour, 1/2 hour, or whatever. ** You will need to set the Mac to start and autostart iTunes each day at 5:55 and make sure the Mac is not set to go to sleep inside 15min of inactivity, otherwise, if iTunes isn't already running there will be a noticeable delay waiting for iTunes to start or the computer to wake up. *** You could create 7 different events, one for each day, repeated weekly, and choose a different mp3 file for each day of the week. You could create special alarms for specific holidays and seasons and play specific files appropriate for those events. Discounting the time spent in bidding wars on eBay, it should take about an hour to set up. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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A good Heavy Duty 15 amp home timer. Intermatic-DT620-Indoor-Digital-Plug-In Don’t use the manual switch with a heavy load. It seems to shorten the life. John Balgenorth On Aug 22, 2014, at 1:58 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: It plays from a selection of pre-recorded music (and I think it can add more). The very simple solutions won't work; it needs to, for example, go off every day at 6. Used early model MacMini via eBay - $50-$100 Used AKAI LPK25 Midi Controller Interface Keyboard via eBay = $30 Garageband - Free. Start it up, select a 'Keyboard' project, from there you can select 'Mallets' which include both Aurora and Church Bells. Have some talented person play away to their hearts content - should be able to record several thousand hours of continuous music on an average old Mac HD. Save best renditions from Garageband to mp3 Start iCal (if your unlucky and have a new Mac it might have Calendar installed in which case UPGRADE it by installing an earlier version of OS X like Snow Leopard that comes with the much more useful iCal) and create an Event 'Ring Church Bells' at 6:15 and have it repeat every day*. Set it's alarm to 15** mins before and have it Open file selecting the church bell mp3 file of your choice***. If possible plug the headphone jack straight into the amp Aux inputs - need a 3.5mm to RCA adapter cable. A couple of dollars at RadioShack. If this isn't possible, a 1st generation Airport Express with AirPlay (eBay $40) will allow you to wirelessly stream the music from the Mac to the Amplifier. If power consumption is a problem a basic home timer could be set to turn the amp on from 5:45 to 6:15. * Obviously you are not limited to a once a day event. You can create alarms for every hour, 1/2 hour, or whatever. ** You will need to set the Mac to start and autostart iTunes each day at 5:55 and make sure the Mac is not set to go to sleep inside 15min of inactivity, otherwise, if iTunes isn't already running there will be a noticeable delay waiting for iTunes to start or the computer to wake up. *** You could create 7 different events, one for each day, repeated weekly, and choose a different mp3 file for each day of the week. You could create special alarms for specific holidays and seasons and play specific files appropriate for those events. Discounting the time spent in bidding wars on eBay, it should take about an hour to set up. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I think the extreme cheap-out solutions would be a disservice to the client, especially with regard to reliability. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:46 AM, JB sund...@pacifier.com wrote: A good Heavy Duty 15 amp home timer. Intermatic-DT620-Indoor-Digital-Plug-In Don’t use the manual switch with a heavy load. It seems to shorten the life. John Balgenorth On Aug 22, 2014, at 1:58 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: It plays from a selection of pre-recorded music (and I think it can add more). The very simple solutions won't work; it needs to, for example, go off every day at 6. Used early model MacMini via eBay - $50-$100 Used AKAI LPK25 Midi Controller Interface Keyboard via eBay = $30 Garageband - Free. Start it up, select a 'Keyboard' project, from there you can select 'Mallets' which include both Aurora and Church Bells. Have some talented person play away to their hearts content - should be able to record several thousand hours of continuous music on an average old Mac HD. Save best renditions from Garageband to mp3 Start iCal (if your unlucky and have a new Mac it might have Calendar installed in which case UPGRADE it by installing an earlier version of OS X like Snow Leopard that comes with the much more useful iCal) and create an Event 'Ring Church Bells' at 6:15 and have it repeat every day*. Set it's alarm to 15** mins before and have it Open file selecting the church bell mp3 file of your choice***. If possible plug the headphone jack straight into the amp Aux inputs - need a 3.5mm to RCA adapter cable. A couple of dollars at RadioShack. If this isn't possible, a 1st generation Airport Express with AirPlay (eBay $40) will allow you to wirelessly stream the music from the Mac to the Amplifier. If power consumption is a problem a basic home timer could be set to turn the amp on from 5:45 to 6:15. * Obviously you are not limited to a once a day event. You can create alarms for every hour, 1/2 hour, or whatever. ** You will need to set the Mac to start and autostart iTunes each day at 5:55 and make sure the Mac is not set to go to sleep inside 15min of inactivity, otherwise, if iTunes isn't already running there will be a noticeable delay waiting for iTunes to start or the computer to wake up. *** You could create 7 different events, one for each day, repeated weekly, and choose a different mp3 file for each day of the week. You could create special alarms for specific holidays and seasons and play specific files appropriate for those events. Discounting the time spent in bidding wars on eBay, it should take about an hour to set up. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: It also isn't clear whether the bell should be just a single tone or if it needs to play music. The cost of the original proposed system implies there is more to it than just a single bell. It plays from a selection of pre-recorded music (and I think it can add more). I think our old dead one (can't even get parts for it anymore) had little physical chimes, but it's past yet another repair. The very simple solutions won't work; it needs to, for example, go off every day at 6. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Church bell app?
How about a simple timer from Radioshack? You can set it to go on at 6:00pm and go off again one or two minutes later, or whenever you want. I wouldn’t give up on simple solutions so easily if I were you. Just my 2 cents. Rick On Aug 19, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: It also isn't clear whether the bell should be just a single tone or if it needs to play music. The cost of the original proposed system implies there is more to it than just a single bell. It plays from a selection of pre-recorded music (and I think it can add more). I think our old dead one (can't even get parts for it anymore) had little physical chimes, but it's past yet another repair. The very simple solutions won't work; it needs to, for example, go off every day at 6. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 18/08/14 05:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee. It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be left turned on for a long time. Peter UCLA Not at $6000 it isn't! Quasimodo. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi there, The idea that the church bell needs an app is total overkill. Get a simple Radioshack or Home Depot wireless doorbell type device and hook up the output to a relay that turns on the amplifier and the bell tone. (Many times the relay is included, because that’s how it works!) Even “The Clapper” might be a cheap solution for this at $20. Also look at the http://www.insteon.com There is no way this project should be $6,000 or more. Someone is gouging you with that pricey solution. I’ve done things like this all the time. It’s easy, and you don’t need an app for it. Just my 2 cents. Rick On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:23 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/08/14 05:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee. It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be left turned on for a long time. Peter UCLA Not at $6000 it isn't! Quasimodo. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Church bell app?
The idea was to be able to start the bell at specific times, perhaps for specific intervals. Certainly an off the shelf electronic timer could do that job. Not as much fun though. In a project I did a couple of years ago in the middle east, an event had to be executed for the five prayer times each day. Or rather a process had to be stopped for those times. These varied at different times of the year, since dawn did not seem to be a constant. Try that with a simple timer. Overkill for the sheer fun of it is a matter of style. Perhaps the OP will give more specifics as to the requirements, to see if an old laptop and LC with an interface gadget or a $50 timer is appropriate. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 10:12 am Subject: Re: Church bell app? Hi there, The idea that the church bell needs an app is total overkill. Get a simple Radioshack or Home Depot wireless doorbell type device and hook up the output to a relay that turns on the amplifier and the bell tone. (Many times the relay is included, because that’s how it works!) Even “The Clapper” might be a cheap solution for this at $20. Also look at the http://www.insteon.com There is no way this project should be $6,000 or more. Someone is gouging you with that pricey solution. I’ve done things like this all the time. It’s easy, and you don’t need an app for it. Just my 2 cents. Rick On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:23 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/08/14 05:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee. It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be left turned on for a long time. Peter UCLA Not at $6000 it isn't! Quasimodo. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Church bell app?
Steampunking is always great. For church bells, part of the problem will be getting the tone, cadence, etc. the way you want it. That was what I was trying to point out with the goal horns app - that you might be able to reproduce the sound of the sort of bells, chimes, etc. that you want. If you go to a garden store, think about all the different windchimes that are sold and how different they are between brands, sizes, materials, coatings, etc. Some manufacturers take great care in tuning their chimes just so, trying to get a certain decay and harmony. The same can be said of bells. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:52 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: The idea was to be able to start the bell at specific times, perhaps for specific intervals. Certainly an off the shelf electronic timer could do that job. Not as much fun though. In a project I did a couple of years ago in the middle east, an event had to be executed for the five prayer times each day. Or rather a process had to be stopped for those times. These varied at different times of the year, since dawn did not seem to be a constant. Try that with a simple timer. Overkill for the sheer fun of it is a matter of style. Perhaps the OP will give more specifics as to the requirements, to see if an old laptop and LC with an interface gadget or a $50 timer is appropriate. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 10:12 am Subject: Re: Church bell app? Hi there, The idea that the church bell needs an app is total overkill. Get a simple Radioshack or Home Depot wireless doorbell type device and hook up the output to a relay that turns on the amplifier and the bell tone. (Many times the relay is included, because that’s how it works!) Even “The Clapper” might be a cheap solution for this at $20. Also look at the http://www.insteon.com There is no way this project should be $6,000 or more. Someone is gouging you with that pricey solution. I’ve done things like this all the time. It’s easy, and you don’t need an app for it. Just my 2 cents. Rick On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:23 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/08/14 05:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee. It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be left turned on for a long time. Peter UCLA Not at $6000 it isn't! Quasimodo. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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So then LC may be the solution, since it can play any sort of sound. That it can also play those sounds when you want it to is just lagniappe. Craig -Original Message- From: Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 10:59 am Subject: Re: Church bell app? Steampunking is always great. For church bells, part of the problem will be getting the tone, cadence, etc. the way you want it. That was what I was trying to point out with the goal horns app - that you might be able to reproduce the sound of the sort of bells, chimes, etc. that you want. If you go to a garden store, think about all the different windchimes that are sold and how different they are between brands, sizes, materials, coatings, etc. Some manufacturers take great care in tuning their chimes just so, trying to get a certain decay and harmony. The same can be said of bells. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:52 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: The idea was to be able to start the bell at specific times, perhaps for specific intervals. Certainly an off the shelf electronic timer could do that job. Not as much fun though. In a project I did a couple of years ago in the middle east, an event had to be executed for the five prayer times each day. Or rather a process had to be stopped for those times. These varied at different times of the year, since dawn did not seem to be a constant. Try that with a simple timer. Overkill for the sheer fun of it is a matter of style. Perhaps the OP will give more specifics as to the requirements, to see if an old laptop and LC with an interface gadget or a $50 timer is appropriate. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 10:12 am Subject: Re: Church bell app? Hi there, The idea that the church bell needs an app is total overkill. Get a simple Radioshack or Home Depot wireless doorbell type device and hook up the output to a relay that turns on the amplifier and the bell tone. (Many times the relay is included, because that’s how it works!) Even “The Clapper” might be a cheap solution for this at $20. Also look at the http://www.insteon.com There is no way this project should be $6,000 or more. Someone is gouging you with that pricey solution. I’ve done things like this all the time. It’s easy, and you don’t need an app for it. Just my 2 cents. Rick On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:23 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/08/14 05:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee. It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be left turned on for a long time. Peter UCLA Not at $6000 it isn't! Quasimodo. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Church bell app?
It also isn't clear whether the bell should be just a single tone or if it needs to play music. The cost of the original proposed system implies there is more to it than just a single bell. On August 18, 2014 9:52:54 AM CDT, dunb...@aol.com wrote: The idea was to be able to start the bell at specific times, perhaps for specific intervals. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Church bell app?
The big sound system companies have departments that specialize in selling to churches, it's big business. Most of the church systems I've seen are huge overkill so the $6000 price tag doesn't surprise me at all. More often than not, nobody at the church has a clue as to how to use them, except to switch them on and off. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: It also isn't clear whether the bell should be just a single tone or if it needs to play music. The cost of the original proposed system implies there is more to it than just a single bell. On August 18, 2014 9:52:54 AM CDT, dunb...@aol.com wrote: The idea was to be able to start the bell at specific times, perhaps for specific intervals. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Church bell app?
I just about choked over the price: my church is gearing up to pay $6,500 for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers from the old system). I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier. THe hardest part would be turning an amplifier on . . . Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one? All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules, and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic Orthodox play the bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]). Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would cost to commission? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Church bell app?
On 18/08/14 00:06, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I just about choked over the price: my church is gearing up to pay $6,500 for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers from the old system). I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier. THe hardest part would be turning an amplifier on . . . Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one? All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules, and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic Orthodox play the bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]). Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would cost to commission? That's odd; all the churches I know they have somebody who rings the bells. By that I mean 'bells' as in 'bells' not fake bells. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: That's odd; all the churches I know they have somebody who rings the bells. By that I mean 'bells' as in 'bells' not fake bells. That would certainly be preferred, but it isn't always possible. Our building wouldn't even support the structure (our onion dome would have caused problems if it hadn't been removed). We absolutely need to be ringing again from this building before we start building the new one in a year or so (or we could lose them forever). And without a full time staff, ringing at specified hours throughout the day would be kind of rough . . . ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Church bell app?
In answer to an unrelated question I was looking at this earlier today: http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F7C027/ With something like that you ought to be able to remotely turn on the power to the amplifier, and play the appropriate sound from the same device that told the amplifier to turn on. And yes, it could be a LiveCode Android app, running on the cheapest Android capable of playing audio and running apps. There would need to be a network, and I’m unclear on what address you would send the signal to (to turn on the WeMo), but it feels like it would be easy to do. Craig might have some useful opinions on this. He’s done more stack controlled hardware than all other people on earth combined. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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you mean something like this? http://goo.gl/NhJTkp On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: In answer to an unrelated question I was looking at this earlier today: http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F7C027/ With something like that you ought to be able to remotely turn on the power to the amplifier, and play the appropriate sound from the same device that told the amplifier to turn on. And yes, it could be a LiveCode Android app, running on the cheapest Android capable of playing audio and running apps. There would need to be a network, and I’m unclear on what address you would send the signal to (to turn on the WeMo), but it feels like it would be easy to do. Craig might have some useful opinions on this. He’s done more stack controlled hardware than all other people on earth combined. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I have done much more than this with a gadget I now and then mention. Bonig und Kallenbach Service USB Plus. Fun and simple. A few hundred dollars for the hardware, a few hours of joy for the software. I can kibitz if you want, but this is easy fun stuff. -Original Message- From: Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 5:06 pm Subject: Church bell app? I just about choked over the price: my church is gearing up to pay $6,500 for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers from the old system). I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier. THe hardest part would be turning an amplifier on . . . Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one? All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules, and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic Orthodox play the bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]). Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would cost to commission? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Church bell app?
The application you need is indeed rather trivial. I used hypercard to completely automate a radio station years and years ago. But if you would like an application ready to go, here is one: http://www.nch.com.au/atime/ Any old laptop will run it, and as far as turning the amp on and off, just leave it on. If there is no load on the amp, it will not draw very much power. My two yen. Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan On 2014/08/18, at 10:15, dunb...@aol.com wrote: I have done much more than this with a gadget I now and then mention. Bonig und Kallenbach Service USB Plus. Fun and simple. A few hundred dollars for the hardware, a few hours of joy for the software. I can kibitz if you want, but this is easy fun stuff. -Original Message- From: Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 5:06 pm Subject: Church bell app? I just about choked over the price: my church is gearing up to pay $6,500 for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers from the old system). I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier. THe hardest part would be turning an amplifier on . . . Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one? All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules, and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic Orthodox play the bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]). Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would cost to commission? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Church bell app?
Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee. It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be left turned on for a long time. Peter UCLA On Aug 17, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/08/14 00:06, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I just about choked over the price: my church is gearing up to pay $6,500 for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers from the old system). I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier. THe hardest part would be turning an amplifier on . . . Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one? All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules, and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic Orthodox play the bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]). Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would cost to commission? That's odd; all the churches I know they have somebody who rings the bells. By that I mean 'bells' as in 'bells' not fake bells. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be left turned on for a long time. Unless it's a class A amp. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11 Cell: 518-796-9332 -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Bogdanoff Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:54 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Church bell app? Obviously, Richmond, if the bell is tolling, it is not tolling for thee. It seems that $6000 will pay the electrical bill for that amplifier to be left turned on for a long time. Peter UCLA On Aug 17, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/08/14 00:06, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I just about choked over the price: my church is gearing up to pay $6,500 for a church bell system (and that's because we *already* have the speakers from the old system). I'm scratching my head to figure out why this isn't a matter of a near trivial app on a dedicated ipod and an amplifier. THe hardest part would be turning an amplifier on . . . Does anyone know of such a thing, or an open source project for one? All it really needs to do is send a signal to turn on an amplifier and play sound on schedule, be able to choose the sounds to play on the schedules, and be able to play tunes on command (Eastern Catholic Orthodox play the bells during the Anaphora [Consecration]). Does anyone know about the existence of such a thing, or how much one would cost to commission? That's odd; all the churches I know they have somebody who rings the bells. By that I mean 'bells' as in 'bells' not fake bells. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode