RE: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Ralph DiMola]

Seems to be back up. I was getting intermittent pings and even the on-rev
status page was hanging while retrieving server status.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Jerry Jensen
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:53 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

Diesel is OK for me. CPanel and sites work. No fixed IP#. Very generic
setup.
.Jerry

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Phil Davis <rev...@pdslabs.net> wrote:
> 
> You're not alone, Ralph!
> 
> When I try to login via ssh, I get this:
>Could not resolve hostname : nodename nor servname
provided, or not known
> 
> When I try to load a page in Chrome, it says the "server DNS address could
not be found".
> 
> So this time you're not a bonehead. :-)  Or else we both are.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/16/16 11:33 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency
support request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>> 
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Re: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Jerry Jensen]

Diesel is OK for me. CPanel and sites work. No fixed IP#. Very generic setup.
.Jerry

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Phil Davis  wrote:
> 
> You're not alone, Ralph!
> 
> When I try to login via ssh, I get this:
>Could not resolve hostname : nodename nor servname provided, 
> or not known
> 
> When I try to load a page in Chrome, it says the "server DNS address could 
> not be found".
> 
> So this time you're not a bonehead. :-)  Or else we both are.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/16/16 11:33 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency support 
>> request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>> 
>> 
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Re: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Matthias Rebbe]

Just checked a domain of my customer. Diesel is up and running.

Is your site is still not available. If so, do you have a dedicated ip  or is 
your site using Diesesl´s ip?

The site of my customer is Not using a dedicated ip. 

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 16.08.2016 um 20:33 schrieb Ralph DiMola :
> 
> Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency support 
> request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
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[on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Ralph DiMola]

Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency support 
request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net



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RE: Diesel is down

[Ralph DiMola]

Saw that. Thanks! It also looks like it's all back up now. I can log into
cPanel and access MySQL server

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Tim Selander
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:33 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Diesel is down

The website/domains on diesel are working though. Pages being served

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan



On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:
 I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

 Thanks

 Ralph DiMola
 IT Director
 Evergreen Information Services
 rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Re: Diesel is down

[Tim Selander]

Seems to be back up.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:

I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Re: Diesel is down

[Tim Selander]

The website/domains on diesel are working though. Pages being 
served


Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan



On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:

I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Diesel is down

[Ralph DiMola]

I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Re: Diesel is down

[Tim Selander]

Down here, too.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan



On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:

I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Re: Diesel is down

[Richmond]

Face facts, RunRev's web system: servers, web-pages are totally 
compromised at present, and  unless RunRev gets
its act together really quickly they are going to end up with both mud 
on their faces and a major loss of faith on the

half of their loyal installed base.

It is pretty telling that RunRev are NOT making any sort of obvious 
effort to keep us informed about what is going one, and what
they are doing (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh 
and dithering in the hope that things will just go away) to

rectify what is an extremely bad situation.

Of course cynical types might line up the situation with the servers and 
the website with the fact that they obviously hired a
bloody bad company to do their web-design (about whom they were crowing 
about 2 years ago) resulting in an un-navigable

pig's breakfast . . .

Malice in Wonderland? or

plain incompetence in certain areas which highly skilled software 
developers should not have to concern themselves

and should be taken care of by competent web-designers?  or

some deeper seated malaise? or

a crisis of will?

I don't know what is going on,

BUT, what I do know is that a company that have produced what I believ 
to be one of the most innovative programming environments
that very successfully strikes the balance between traditional 
programming languages and the MIckey Mouse brigade seems to have

lost a very large part of the plot somewhere . . .

. . . blame DDoS attacks if you want . . . but that will only keep 
people off your backs for so long . . . and makes bloody bad advertising 
copy.


-

If one wants to get personal, I was informed that RunRev were going to 
run a feature about my LiveCode classes in my school in

Bulgaria, and was sent a sort of questionnaire . . .

What is the result?

Some thing that does me NO favours at all, is obviously just cobbled 
together out of the answers to my questionnaire coupled
with 2 of the least useful images from my FaceBook page and presented as 
if I had written the thing.


I would NEVER have written something so illiterate and plain bloody bad!

I have worked as a University lecturer in 5 Universities world-wide, and 
that sort of article would not stand up to anything of
that sort for 5 minutes and makes me look like some sort of schoolboy 
hobbyist, which I can quite assure you I am not.


Had I known that the answers to the questionnaire were to be presented 
as an article by myself I would have sat down and spent
at least a day, and probably longer, to produce a credible piece, 
complete with Bibliography, that did justice to what I was doing, instead of
what it ended up as: a squib giving the impression that I was 
dumbing-down programming for a load of dopey children: far from the truth!


I will, after the dust has settled, and my temper [which is UTTERLY 
FILTHY at present] has returned to something like an even keel, write
a PROPER explanation of what I am doing [probably a summary of the paper 
I will be presenting to an academic conference in September]
which I shall append as an appendix to the farcical How to teach 
coding thing in the BLOG.


---

Aye wrang, aye wrang, aye wrang.

An I for yin am fair forjeskit anent ilka o RunRev's recent 
initiatives. An aiblins I'll be awa fae here eftir 14-15 towmonds forbye,

as aa is a richt scunner juist now.

Richmond.

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Re: Diesel is down

[Richard Gaskin]

Richmond wrote:

 Face facts, RunRev's web system: servers, web-pages are totally
 compromised at present

To say the web pages are compromised normally suggests the site was 
hacked, and intruders have control of it.  I haven't seen anything like 
that.


What evidence have you seen of that?

Or did you mean to write something else?


 It is pretty telling that RunRev are NOT making any sort of obvious
 effort to keep us informed about what is going one

A few of us have mentioned this almost daily.  Do you read the 
use-livecode list?



 (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh and
 dithering in the hope that things will just go away)

Of course not, as I've written before.  But since your strong opinions 
on this certainly aren't merely random bad manners, could you kindly 
share with us the benefit of your experience and let us know what you'd 
recommend they do?



 I don't know what is going on

No argument here.  ;)


 . . . blame DDoS attacks if you want

Seems a reasonable thing do to when faced with a DDoS attack.

--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: Diesel is down

[Richmond]

On 10/07/15 22:03, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:

 Face facts, RunRev's web system: servers, web-pages are totally
 compromised at present

To say the web pages are compromised normally suggests the site was 
hacked, and intruders have control of it.  I haven't seen anything 
like that.


What evidence have you seen of that?

Or did you mean to write something else?


 It is pretty telling that RunRev are NOT making any sort of obvious
 effort to keep us informed about what is going one

A few of us have mentioned this almost daily.  Do you read the 
use-livecode list?


I understood, Richard Gaskin, that your good offices [which are, indeed, 
very good], were offered on a voluntary basis,

not as part of any official RunRev thing.

A service provider (and that is what RunRev now is) that wanted people 
to believe it really cared would be pumping out
hourly bulletins on what it was doing anent its DDos (or whatever it 
really is).





 (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh and
 dithering in the hope that things will just go away)

Of course not, as I've written before.  But since your strong opinions 
on this certainly aren't merely random bad manners,


NO, most definitely not.

Often, my concern runs away with itself and it comes across as bad 
manners, but it is real concern about a programming
suite/language/IDE/RAD/whatever that I care desperateyly about, and have 
invested the last 15 years in learning how to use.


If calling a spade a spade rather than an earth relocation 
instrument is bad manners; then I'm bad mannered.


But being mealy-mouthed only seems to get so far.

could you kindly share with us the benefit of your experience and let 
us know what you'd recommend they do?


Well:

1. Sort out the website so that it has some sort of logical hierarchy 
and is east to navigate and find what one wants.


2. Ensure that web-pages don't disappear without any warning, and that 
some links don't lead to dead ends.


3. Start marketing LiveCode as if they mean it: get it onto CDs attached 
to mags, get it onto TV shows, radio shows, Windows fan websites,

Mac fan websites, Linux fan websites.

4. Get stuff out to ministries of education all across Europe and the 
Americas, Australasia, and, why not? the rest of the world.


5. Set up some sort of certification for training courses so people 
teaching the language don't just give their students pretty certificates

that have no external validity.

6. Stuff the website with nearly every single example of commercial 
software produced using LiveCode so website readers can see

just exactly how wide a range of stuff can be produced using LiveCode.

7. Have special sections of the website where people can see stuff 
produced for iOS and Android with LiveCode; possibly with embedded movies

so they can see them in action.

8. Mirror its services so that a DDoS attack wouldn't have much of an 
effect at all as a backup mirror would kick into place.


9. Listen to the large number of grumps that have appeared with 
increasing frequency, demonstrate that listening is going on,

and respond within as rapid time-frame as possible to those grumps.

10. End of the week, and I am tired, as I'm sure almost everybody else 
is; but I am sure the list could get longer and some folk might like to

help lengthen it.




 I don't know what is going on

No argument here.  ;)


 . . . blame DDoS attacks if you want

Seems a reasonable thing do to when faced with a DDoS attack.


However, many websites that do suffer DDoS attacks seem to get things up 
and running again remarkably quickly . . .


The thing that is a real pity is that Runtime Revolution LiveCode has 
got it, the magical thingy that makes for a programming environment which,
while allowing babies to start producing functional stuff very quickly 
indeed [I have seen that these last few weeks], also has unbelievable
high-level capabilities, and yet it is floating around like some fort of 
flounder at the bottom of the sea when it should be like a shark or a
barracuda up there ripping sh*t out of all the other programming 
languages. It isn't, and I think if we are all honest we have a fairly 
good idea why.


Kevin and his team are brilliant programmers, but their public face is 
just not up to scratch.


I may sing like Caruso, but because my face is like a pig's bottom I am 
just not going to get engagements at La Scala and so on.


Richmond.



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Re: Diesel is down

[Bob Sneidar]

Stop it. I can’t grin any harder! ;-)))

Bob S


On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:03 , Richard Gaskin 
ambassa...@fourthworld.commailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:

 (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh and
 dithering in the hope that things will just go away)

Of course not, as I've written before.  But since your strong opinions on this 
certainly aren't merely random bad manners, could you kindly share with us the 
benefit of your experience and let us know what you'd recommend they do?


 I don't know what is going on

No argument here.  ;)


 . . . blame DDoS attacks if you want

Seems a reasonable thing do to when faced with a DDoS attack.

--
Richard Gaskin

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