Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[William Prothero]

Folks:
Ok, I just tested my app with background audio turned on, but without setting 
mobileLockIdleTimer. The audio clip stayed playing to the end, but the app 
stopped running. It was supposed to advance to the next audio clip. So, in 
essence, it didn’t do what I needed it to do, which is to continue to play 
through a sequence of audio clips.

My solution is to use mobileLockIdleTimer. That keeps the app in front and does 
what I need.

BTW, I’m on OSX 10.11.6 and iOS 9, XCode 8

Best,
Bill

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:52 AM, William Prothero <proth...@earthednet.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure background audio works. It was one of the settings I tried. I 
> should re-test it. 
> Bill
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Ralph DiMola <rdimo...@evergreeninfo.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Selecting "background audio" in the iOS settings will keep the app alive 
>> when focus is lost. This will change the "suspend" plist setting that we 
>> used to have to hack every time.
>> 
>> Also "disable ATS" will allow the lc browser to access non-https web pages.
>> 
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message From: Mike Kerner 
>> <mikeker...@roadrunner.com> Date:09/30/2016  10:05  (GMT-05:00) 
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>> Subject: Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg 
>> This is one of those things that is more involved.  You can read up on 
>> it
>> by searching for those terms on the list, but the abreviated version is
>> copy livecode out of your applications folder
>> right-click and view package contents
>> drill down to the engine for the ios devices you are targeting (see the
>> discusson on the list for more)
>> change the parameter
>> close it all back up
>> copy LC back into the application folder
>> 
>> You have to do this for each version of LC that you download.
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Earthednet-wp <proth...@earthednet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my
>>> skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping
>>> the app from going to sleep is good enough.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your comments
>>> on several "gotchas" was extremely helpful.
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> William Prothero
>>> http://es.earthednet.org
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner <mikeker...@roadrunner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
>>>> ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero <
>>> proth...@earthednet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Scott:
>>>>> I think I’ve got it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> mobileLockIdleTimer
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero <
>>> proth...@earthednet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott:
>>>>>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
>>>>> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
>>>>> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
>>>>> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
>>>>> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
>>>>> app in the foreground?
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi <sc...@tactilemedia.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
>>>>> someone
>>>>>>> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
>>>>>>> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
>>>>>>> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
>>>>>>> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
>>>>> music
>>>>>>> player for this to w

Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[William Prothero]

I’m not sure background audio works. It was one of the settings I tried. I 
should re-test it. 
Bill

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Ralph DiMola <rdimo...@evergreeninfo.net> wrote:
> 
> Selecting "background audio" in the iOS settings will keep the app alive when 
> focus is lost. This will change the "suspend" plist setting that we used to 
> have to hack every time.
> 
> Also "disable ATS" will allow the lc browser to access non-https web pages.
> 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> 
> 
> 
>  Original message From: Mike Kerner 
> <mikeker...@roadrunner.com> Date:09/30/2016  10:05  (GMT-05:00) 
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
> Subject: Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg 
> This is one of those things that is more involved.  You can read up on 
> it
> by searching for those terms on the list, but the abreviated version is
> copy livecode out of your applications folder
> right-click and view package contents
> drill down to the engine for the ios devices you are targeting (see the
> discusson on the list for more)
> change the parameter
> close it all back up
> copy LC back into the application folder
> 
> You have to do this for each version of LC that you download.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Earthednet-wp <proth...@earthednet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Mike,
>> I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my
>> skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping
>> the app from going to sleep is good enough.
>> 
>> Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your comments
>> on several "gotchas" was extremely helpful.
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner <mikeker...@roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
>>> ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero <
>> proth...@earthednet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Scott:
>>>> I think I’ve got it.
>>>> 
>>>> mobileLockIdleTimer
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero <
>> proth...@earthednet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott:
>>>>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
>>>> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
>>>> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
>>>> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
>>>> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
>>>> app in the foreground?
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi <sc...@tactilemedia.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
>>>> someone
>>>>>> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
>>>>>> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
>>>>>> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
>>>>>> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
>>>> music
>>>>>> player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player
>> qualifies
>>>>>> -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native
>> player
>>>>>> running?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
>>>>>> itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
>>>> several
>>>>>> versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
>>>> which
>>>>>> included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
>>>>>> keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped
>> Facebook
>>>> on
>>>>>> the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was
>> introduced
>>>>>> by mistake.
>>>>>> 
>>>>&g

Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[Mike Kerner]

Wow, I thought the background audio setting had been disabled.  cool!

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Ralph DiMola <rdimo...@evergreeninfo.net>
wrote:

> Selecting "background audio" in the iOS settings will keep the app alive
> when focus is lost. This will change the "suspend" plist setting that we
> used to have to hack every time.
>
> Also "disable ATS" will allow the lc browser to access non-https web pages.
>
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
>
>
>
>  Original message From: Mike Kerner <
> mikeker...@roadrunner.com> Date:09/30/2016  10:05  (GMT-05:00)
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg
> 
> This is one of those things that is more involved.  You can read up
> on it
> by searching for those terms on the list, but the abreviated version is
> copy livecode out of your applications folder
> right-click and view package contents
> drill down to the engine for the ios devices you are targeting (see the
> discusson on the list for more)
> change the parameter
> close it all back up
> copy LC back into the application folder
>
> You have to do this for each version of LC that you download.
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Earthednet-wp <proth...@earthednet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> > I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my
> > skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping
> > the app from going to sleep is good enough.
> >
> > Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your
> comments
> > on several "gotchas" was extremely helpful.
> > Bill
> >
> > William Prothero
> > http://es.earthednet.org
> >
> > > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner <mikeker...@roadrunner.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
> > > ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero <
> > proth...@earthednet.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Scott:
> > >> I think I’ve got it.
> > >>
> > >> mobileLockIdleTimer
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Bill
> > >>
> > >>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero <
> > proth...@earthednet.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott:
> > >>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
> > >> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the
> audio
> > >> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets
> disconnected
> > >> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
> > >> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep
> an
> > >> app in the foreground?
> > >>> Bill
> > >>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi <sc...@tactilemedia.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
> > >> someone
> > >>>> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
> > >>>> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio
> is a
> > >>>> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
> > >>>> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
> > >> music
> > >>>> player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player
> > qualifies
> > >>>> -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native
> > player
> > >>>> running?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to
> keep
> > >>>> itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
> > >> several
> > >>>> versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
> > >> which
> > >>>> included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means
> to
> > >>>> keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped
> > Facebook
> > >> on
> > >>>> the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a b

Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[Ralph DiMola]

Selecting "background audio" in the iOS settings will keep the app alive when 
focus is lost. This will change the "suspend" plist setting that we used to 
have to hack every time.

Also "disable ATS" will allow the lc browser to access non-https web pages.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services



 Original message From: Mike Kerner 
<mikeker...@roadrunner.com> Date:09/30/2016  10:05  (GMT-05:00) 
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
Subject: Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg 
This is one of those things that is more involved.  You can read up on it
by searching for those terms on the list, but the abreviated version is
copy livecode out of your applications folder
right-click and view package contents
drill down to the engine for the ios devices you are targeting (see the
discusson on the list for more)
change the parameter
close it all back up
copy LC back into the application folder

You have to do this for each version of LC that you download.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Earthednet-wp <proth...@earthednet.org>
wrote:

> Mike,
> I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my
> skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping
> the app from going to sleep is good enough.
>
> Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your comments
> on several "gotchas" was extremely helpful.
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner <mikeker...@roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
> > ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero <
> proth...@earthednet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Scott:
> >> I think I’ve got it.
> >>
> >> mobileLockIdleTimer
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero <
> proth...@earthednet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Scott:
> >>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
> >> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
> >> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
> >> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
> >> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
> >> app in the foreground?
> >>> Bill
> >>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi <sc...@tactilemedia.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
> >> someone
> >>>> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
> >>>> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
> >>>> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
> >>>> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
> >> music
> >>>> player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player
> qualifies
> >>>> -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native
> player
> >>>> running?
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
> >>>> itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
> >> several
> >>>> versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
> >> which
> >>>> included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
> >>>> keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped
> Facebook
> >> on
> >>>> the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was
> introduced
> >>>> by mistake.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last
> year
> >>>> or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Scott Rossi
> >>>> Creative Director
> >>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
> >>>> <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.c

Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[Mike Kerner]

This is one of those things that is more involved.  You can read up on it
by searching for those terms on the list, but the abreviated version is
copy livecode out of your applications folder
right-click and view package contents
drill down to the engine for the ios devices you are targeting (see the
discusson on the list for more)
change the parameter
close it all back up
copy LC back into the application folder

You have to do this for each version of LC that you download.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Earthednet-wp 
wrote:

> Mike,
> I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my
> skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping
> the app from going to sleep is good enough.
>
> Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your comments
> on several "gotchas" was extremely helpful.
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner 
> wrote:
> >
> > have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
> > ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero <
> proth...@earthednet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Scott:
> >> I think I’ve got it.
> >>
> >> mobileLockIdleTimer
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Bill
> >>
>  On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero <
> proth...@earthednet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Scott:
> >>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
> >> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
> >> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
> >> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
> >> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
> >> app in the foreground?
> >>> Bill
>  On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi 
> >> wrote:
> 
>  AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
> >> someone
>  high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
>  backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
>  different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
>  backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
> >> music
>  player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player
> qualifies
>  -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native
> player
>  running?
> 
>  Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
>  itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
> >> several
>  versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
> >> which
>  included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
>  keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped
> Facebook
> >> on
>  the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was
> introduced
>  by mistake.
> 
>  It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last
> year
>  or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Scott Rossi
>  Creative Director
>  Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
>    proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> > Folks:
> > I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
> > playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs
> >> and
> > I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
> >
> > So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
> > touching the screen?
> >
> > I know there is a way to do this, but how?
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > William Prothero, Ph.D.
> > University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> > proth...@earthednet.org
> >
> >
> >
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Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[Earthednet-wp]

Mike,
I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my 
skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping the 
app from going to sleep is good enough.

Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your comments on 
several "gotchas" was extremely helpful. 
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner  wrote:
> 
> have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
> ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
> 
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero 
> wrote:
> 
>> Scott:
>> I think I’ve got it.
>> 
>> mobileLockIdleTimer
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
 On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott:
>>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
>> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
>> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
>> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
>> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
>> app in the foreground?
>>> Bill
 On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi 
>> wrote:
 
 AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
>> someone
 high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
 backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
 different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
 backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
>> music
 player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player qualifies
 -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native player
 running?
 
 Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
 itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
>> several
 versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
>> which
 included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
 keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped Facebook
>> on
 the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was introduced
 by mistake.
 
 It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last year
 or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
 
 Regards,
 
 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
 
 
 
 
 On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
  wrote:
 
> Folks:
> I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
> playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs
>> and
> I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
> 
> So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
> touching the screen?
> 
> I know there is a way to do this, but how?
> Thanks,
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> William Prothero, Ph.D.
> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> proth...@earthednet.org
> 
> 
> 
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Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[Mike Kerner]

have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero 
wrote:

> Scott:
> I think I’ve got it.
>
> mobileLockIdleTimer
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> > On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero 
> wrote:
> >
> > Scott:
> > I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
> app in the foreground?
> > Bill
> >> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
> someone
> >> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
> >> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
> >> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
> >> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
> music
> >> player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player qualifies
> >> -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native player
> >> running?
> >>
> >> Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
> >> itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
> several
> >> versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
> which
> >> included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
> >> keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped Facebook
> on
> >> the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was introduced
> >> by mistake.
> >>
> >> It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last year
> >> or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Scott Rossi
> >> Creative Director
> >> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
> >>  >> proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Folks:
> >>> I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
> >>> playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs
> and
> >>> I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
> >>>
> >>> So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
> >>> touching the screen?
> >>>
> >>> I know there is a way to do this, but how?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> William Prothero, Ph.D.
> >>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> >>> proth...@earthednet.org
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[William Prothero]

Scott:
I think I’ve got it.
 
mobileLockIdleTimer

Best,
Bill

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero  wrote:
> 
> Scott:
> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I really 
> want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio through my 
> wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected and it’s a real 
> pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the foreground. So, perhaps 
> there is some kind of property that will keep an app in the foreground?
> Bill
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
>> 
>> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from someone
>> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
>> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
>> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
>> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native music
>> player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player qualifies
>> -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native player
>> running?
>> 
>> Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
>> itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently several
>> versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app which
>> included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
>> keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped Facebook on
>> the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was introduced
>> by mistake.
>> 
>> It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last year
>> or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
>> > proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Folks:
>>> I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
>>> playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs and
>>> I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
>>> 
>>> So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
>>> touching the screen?
>>> 
>>> I know there is a way to do this, but how?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> William Prothero, Ph.D.
>>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
>>> proth...@earthednet.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[William Prothero]

Scott:
I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I really want 
to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio through my wifi 
and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected and it’s a real pain. 
A previous version of this app stayed in the foreground. So, perhaps there is 
some kind of property that will keep an app in the foreground?
Bill
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
> 
> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from someone
> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native music
> player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player qualifies
> -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native player
> running?
> 
> Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
> itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently several
> versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app which
> included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
> keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped Facebook on
> the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was introduced
> by mistake.
> 
> It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last year
> or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
>  proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Folks:
>> I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
>> playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs and
>> I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
>> 
>> So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
>> touching the screen?
>> 
>> I know there is a way to do this, but how?
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> William Prothero, Ph.D.
>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
>> proth...@earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[William Prothero]

Scott:
I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I really want 
to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio through my wifi 
and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected and it’s a real pain. 
A previous version of this app stayed in the foreground. So, perhaps there is 
some kind of property that will keep an app in the foreground?
Bill

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
> 
> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from someone
> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native music
> player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player qualifies
> -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native player
> running?
> 
> Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
> itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently several
> versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app which
> included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
> keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped Facebook on
> the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was introduced
> by mistake.
> 
> It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last year
> or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
>  proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Folks:
>> I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
>> playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs and
>> I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
>> 
>> So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
>> touching the screen?
>> 
>> I know there is a way to do this, but how?
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> William Prothero, Ph.D.
>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
>> proth...@earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
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How to make my app keep running in the bg

[William Prothero]

Folks:
I have an app that plays sounds and I don’t want the iPhone to stop playing 
them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs and I don’t want 
it to stop after a minute or so. 

So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly touching the 
screen?

I know there is a way to do this, but how?
Thanks,
Bill



William Prothero, Ph.D.
University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
proth...@earthednet.org




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