Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...
On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ That sounds a very good idea indeed. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...
This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;) Another feature to differentiate the two versions. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ That sounds a very good idea indeed. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote: This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;) Another feature to differentiate the two versions. Raw Prawns! That would be a good thing for both versions. Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea should not be insurmountable to implement. Richmond. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ That sounds a very good idea indeed. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...
Richmond wrote: On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote: This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;) Another feature to differentiate the two versions. Raw Prawns! That would be a good thing for both versions. Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea should not be insurmountable to implement. I agree that it would be best to produce some sort of enhancement for personal annotations that could be used by everyone, Commercial and Community users alike. In an ideal world LiveCode would be everywhere, with a solid majority of its users enjoying the free Community Edition - indeed, that may well be the case already. The Commercial Edition offers a proprietary license - that should be sufficient enticement for those who need that. For everything else, at least where a feature poses no logical conflict with the GPL (such as script encryption), parity between Community and Commercial is a valuable goal. My only hesitation here is with attempting to modify the existing Dictionary stack, esp. given the scope of changes the team is implementing for v7 and beyond. But a separate Notes stack that can instantly open relevant Dictionary entries with the IDE's revDocumentationGo command would be easily achievable, and an ideal community project since it would require no coordination with the RunRev IDE team. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 19/03/14 16:26, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote: This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;) Another feature to differentiate the two versions. Raw Prawns! That would be a good thing for both versions. Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea should not be insurmountable to implement. I agree that it would be best to produce some sort of enhancement for personal annotations that could be used by everyone, Commercial and Community users alike. In an ideal world LiveCode would be everywhere, with a solid majority of its users enjoying the free Community Edition - indeed, that may well be the case already. The Commercial Edition offers a proprietary license - that should be sufficient enticement for those who need that. For everything else, at least where a feature poses no logical conflict with the GPL (such as script encryption), parity between Community and Commercial is a valuable goal. My only hesitation here is with attempting to modify the existing Dictionary stack, esp. given the scope of changes the team is implementing for v7 and beyond. I don't think there is much point with mucking around with the Dictionary stack right now. However, when we see what the Dictionary looks like in version 7: 1. Just the same but with more words. 2. Completely redesigned. Either somebody can hack the Dictionary stack as it is [doesn't get me vote], or somebody can write a 'hack-stack' which people can use to add features to the Dictionary stack, AND [very important] UNDO changes they don't like. -- When people think of additional features, I feel that the 'hack-stack' route is a better bet than mucking around with the original thing - these could be rather like those little things you dropped into your Mac OS 7,8,9 system folder to enhance things: easily added and easily removed. From time to time Apple would then roll the more successful features into their next release. - Richmond. But a separate Notes stack that can instantly open relevant Dictionary entries with the IDE's revDocumentationGo command would be easily achievable, and an ideal community project since it would require no coordination with the RunRev IDE team. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...
I hope Bjornke picks up on this. His Docu2 plugin is already a better way to view the dictionary and already provides the search mechanisms that have been mentioned . Since it's based on an sqlite database, I suspect it would be relatively easy to add a Notes table and associated access routines. Pete lcSQL Software On Mar 19, 2014 2:43 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote: This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;) Another feature to differentiate the two versions. Raw Prawns! That would be a good thing for both versions. Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea should not be insurmountable to implement. Richmond. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ That sounds a very good idea indeed. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...
OK this is a video from YouTube showing the LiveCode Dictionary Pro app demo: The YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFDZjxVHgZIfeature=em-upload_owner This is a demo of the apps main features. I am putting this up for questions and suggestions. Note: the app will include Video screen help when it is released. I still have hundreds of records where the descriptions need to be added. The dictionary has all of the current search words in now. Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/* Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclem...@gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on ooVoo at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Richmond wrote: On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote: This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;) Another feature to differentiate the two versions. Raw Prawns! That would be a good thing for both versions. Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea should not be insurmountable to implement. I agree that it would be best to produce some sort of enhancement for personal annotations that could be used by everyone, Commercial and Community users alike. In an ideal world LiveCode would be everywhere, with a solid majority of its users enjoying the free Community Edition - indeed, that may well be the case already. The Commercial Edition offers a proprietary license - that should be sufficient enticement for those who need that. For everything else, at least where a feature poses no logical conflict with the GPL (such as script encryption), parity between Community and Commercial is a valuable goal. My only hesitation here is with attempting to modify the existing Dictionary stack, esp. given the scope of changes the team is implementing for v7 and beyond. But a separate Notes stack that can instantly open relevant Dictionary entries with the IDE's revDocumentationGo command would be easily achievable, and an ideal community project since it would require no coordination with the RunRev IDE team. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: I'm trying to rally the troops...
+ 1 from me Pete. Björnke's Docu 2 is a little gem. It has a framework already in place to add new features and design from with ease. It's fast, works with any LC version, takes care of correcting some flaws of the structure and in the xml of the LC dictionary and I haven't seen any bugs! It would be the best starting point for a community effort to improve the dictionary ecosystem and give us nice and needed features like the one Larry suggests. Best regards Mats -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth Sent: den 19 mars 2014 16:22 To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops... I hope Bjornke picks up on this. His Docu2 plugin is already a better way to view the dictionary and already provides the search mechanisms that have been mentioned . Since it's based on an sqlite database, I suspect it would be relatively easy to add a Notes table and associated access routines. Pete lcSQL Software On Mar 19, 2014 2:43 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote: This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;) Another feature to differentiate the two versions. Raw Prawns! That would be a good thing for both versions. Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea should not be insurmountable to implement. Richmond. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ That sounds a very good idea indeed. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Right; lads and lasses, the initial release of 7.0.0 is here The Dictionary stack looks exactly the same as that in previous releases, so now we can consider running up some hack-stacks. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I might try adding a basic Notes feature to it, if Bjornke is OK with that. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Mats Wilstrand mats.wilstr...@tapirsoft.com wrote: + 1 from me Pete. Björnke's Docu 2 is a little gem. It has a framework already in place to add new features and design from with ease. It's fast, works with any LC version, takes care of correcting some flaws of the structure and in the xml of the LC dictionary and I haven't seen any bugs! It would be the best starting point for a community effort to improve the dictionary ecosystem and give us nice and needed features like the one Larry suggests. Best regards Mats -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth Sent: den 19 mars 2014 16:22 To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops... I hope Bjornke picks up on this. His Docu2 plugin is already a better way to view the dictionary and already provides the search mechanisms that have been mentioned . Since it's based on an sqlite database, I suspect it would be relatively easy to add a Notes table and associated access routines. Pete lcSQL Software On Mar 19, 2014 2:43 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote: This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;) Another feature to differentiate the two versions. Raw Prawns! That would be a good thing for both versions. Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea should not be insurmountable to implement. Richmond. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ That sounds a very good idea indeed. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
I'm trying to rally the troops...
Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi larry I am in the process of doing just what your asking for, a dictionary that allows you to edit, add, and save code. It will be online in the next 15 days. I will even have Google translate in the app where you can convert the scripts or text to any language. I will annonce the app very soon. On Tuesday, March 18, 2014, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com javascript:; Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/* Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclem...@gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on ooVoo at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hello Vaughn, That's great. I hope you're saying the app would integrate directly into LiveCode? I really don't want to have it be a separate app, but even that would be OK if your app also includes ALL the LC dictionary and notes. - Original Message - From: Vaughn Clement vclem...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:13 PM Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops... Hi larry I am in the process of doing just what your asking for, a dictionary that allows you to edit, add, and save code. It will be online in the next 15 days. I will even have Google translate in the app where you can convert the scripts or text to any language. I will annonce the app very soon. On Tuesday, March 18, 2014, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com javascript:; Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/* Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclem...@gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on ooVoo at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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larry wrote: Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. On the contrary, thank you for writing that. One of the things that I especially like about it is that it's achievable. I suspect rattling RunRev's cage would introduce a wait on something like this, because at the moment they have an army of Kickstarter backers to whom they need to fulfill their promises. But what you're talking about is quite doable without them - maybe the cage we should be rattling is our own. There are a few ways this could be done: A. Update the IDE's Dictionary to include this B. Replace the IDE's Dictionary with something else that includes this and perhaps much more C. Make an separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary All of these are doable, but I wonder if C may the easiest, since A requires coordination with their own ongoing changes and we don't yet have a GitHub-like setup for IDE elements, and B is a lot of work and we could expect some might still prefer the one included in the IDE. Option C could be built at any time by anyone, freely shared, and perhaps with additional features added by other members of the community. And being separate from the IDE itself it would maintain a healthy separation of concerns that often bogs down projects that don't stay mindful of such things. While poking around in the IDE I discovered a nifty command: revDocumentationGo liveCodeToken e.g.: revDocumentationGo securityPermissions So quickly opening the Dictionary from a given Note card is a one-liner. For making the creation of Notes easier, I'll bet there's a handy way to obtain the token currently displayed in the Dictionary, so you could just click a New button and it would fill in the token name for you. All that's needed is for someone to take this on. Once it gets started, others would likely pitch in to help. Option B may also be good if you could start with one of the existing Dictionary replacements, like Björnke's if he's up for that. Many of us still think of LiveCode in terms of a proprietary product, but the open source thang is more than just a gimme for educators and in-house developers: RunRev's open source initiative seems a very earnest effort to liberate the world with a really fun programming language; the Commercial Edition licenses are just a means to that end, keeping the pro devs in their audience happy with a proprietary license option and commercial-quality features, and enough money coming in to keep the whole effort going. The more time I've spent with open source projects, the more I've come to think of them as an us proposition, an opportunity for partnership between a vendor and their community to continually improve the software experience. Projects like the one you've proposed may well serve as a good example of this new dynamic, exploring ways to make the best use of resources both within the company and within the community. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hello Richard, Great thoughts! I hope someone will do what you suggest. As I said, I program as a hobby and not as a pro, so I'll have to leave it up to the rest of you. But I know what features I would like! Thanks, Larry - Original Message - From: Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:24 PM Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops... larry wrote: Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. On the contrary, thank you for writing that. One of the things that I especially like about it is that it's achievable. I suspect rattling RunRev's cage would introduce a wait on something like this, because at the moment they have an army of Kickstarter backers to whom they need to fulfill their promises. But what you're talking about is quite doable without them - maybe the cage we should be rattling is our own. There are a few ways this could be done: A. Update the IDE's Dictionary to include this B. Replace the IDE's Dictionary with something else that includes this and perhaps much more C. Make an separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary All of these are doable, but I wonder if C may the easiest, since A requires coordination with their own ongoing changes and we don't yet have a GitHub-like setup for IDE elements, and B is a lot of work and we could expect some might still prefer the one included in the IDE. Option C could be built at any time by anyone, freely shared, and perhaps with additional features added by other members of the community. And being separate from the IDE itself it would maintain a healthy separation of concerns that often bogs down projects that don't stay mindful of such things. While poking around in the IDE I discovered a nifty command: revDocumentationGo liveCodeToken e.g.: revDocumentationGo securityPermissions So quickly opening the Dictionary from a given Note card is a one-liner. For making the creation of Notes easier, I'll bet there's a handy way to obtain the token currently displayed in the Dictionary, so you could just click a New button and it would fill in the token name for you. All that's needed is for someone to take this on. Once it gets started, others would likely pitch in to help. Option B may also be good if you could start with one of the existing Dictionary replacements, like Björnke's if he's up for that. Many of us still think of LiveCode in terms of a proprietary product, but the open source thang is more than just a gimme for educators and in-house developers: RunRev's open source initiative seems a very earnest effort to liberate the world with a really fun programming language; the Commercial Edition licenses are just a means to that end, keeping the pro devs in their audience happy with a proprietary license option and commercial-quality features, and enough money coming in to keep the whole effort going. The more time I've spent with open source projects, the more I've come to think of them as an us proposition, an opportunity for partnership between a vendor and their community to continually improve the software experience. Projects like the one you've proposed may well serve as a good example of this new dynamic, exploring ways to make the best use of resources both within the company and within the community. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe
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larry wrote: Hello Richard, Great thoughts! I hope someone will do what you suggest. As I said, I program as a hobby and not as a pro, so I'll have to leave it up to the rest of you. But I know what features I would like! You may be selling yourself short, Larry. After all, we all started out as hobbyists, and became pros only when we discovered people wanted to pay us to pursue our hobby. :) I look forward to seeing what Vaughn's been working on. Sounds quite promising. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Larry I would put it in live code but! The LC issue with relational databases is not so good. That is why the LC people used DataGrids to do the Dictionary and that doesn't present the best way to do searches and to use a relational table design. My issue with LiveCode is you need to first learn the language, and that is a starting point to then learn the scripting. I wanted to develop a tool that allows me to do a global search by a word, or a phrase and then see everything in the entire dictionary that has that word or phrase. It also needs to allow the users to add their own code or definitions data to any part of the dictionary. I wanted it to have subrecords under the main LC dictionary words where the user could add their own custom uses for that term. Then also have user defined search words that are a part of extensions and plugins. I also wanted plugin and extensions developers to add their custom content to the user defined area. Not done yet, then custom behaviors usage and custom property example can be added to the user defined records. The icing on the cake is the built in Google translation editor where users can convert any text to their language. All of the data will be available to edit, copy and paste into external media or scripts. NOTE: I have hundreds of hours in the development and that is only to add data, it will have ongoing support to maintain the dictionary. That does not include the hosting fees. So I will have two types of users, those who can see all of the records, but cannot edit or copy data. Then for an annual donation of $12.00 or $1 month per user you will have full access to all the features like editing copy, paste an so on. Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/* Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclem...@gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on ooVoo at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Vaughn, That's great. I hope you're saying the app would integrate directly into LiveCode? I really don't want to have it be a separate app, but even that would be OK if your app also includes ALL the LC dictionary and notes. - Original Message - From: Vaughn Clement vclem...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:13 PM Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops... Hi larry I am in the process of doing just what your asking for, a dictionary that allows you to edit, add, and save code. It will be online in the next 15 days. I will even have Google translate in the app where you can convert the scripts or text to any language. I will annonce the app very soon. On Tuesday, March 18, 2014, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com javascript:; Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/* Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclem...@gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on ooVoo at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode
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Vaughn- Tuesday, March 18, 2014, 7:09:48 PM, you wrote: All of the data will be available to edit, copy and paste into external media or scripts. NOTE: I have hundreds of hours in the development and that is only to add data, it will have ongoing support to maintain the dictionary. That does not include the hosting fees. So I will have two types of users, those who can see all of the records, but cannot edit or copy data. Then for an annual donation of $12.00 or $1 month per user you will have full access to all the features like editing copy, paste an so on. Sounds good. I'm in. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Vaughn, Whenever you're ready with it, I'll be your first customer. thanks, Larry - Original Message - From: Vaughn Clement vclem...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:09 PM Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops... Hi Larry I would put it in live code but! The LC issue with relational databases is not so good. That is why the LC people used DataGrids to do the Dictionary and that doesn't present the best way to do searches and to use a relational table design. My issue with LiveCode is you need to first learn the language, and that is a starting point to then learn the scripting. I wanted to develop a tool that allows me to do a global search by a word, or a phrase and then see everything in the entire dictionary that has that word or phrase. It also needs to allow the users to add their own code or definitions data to any part of the dictionary. I wanted it to have subrecords under the main LC dictionary words where the user could add their own custom uses for that term. Then also have user defined search words that are a part of extensions and plugins. I also wanted plugin and extensions developers to add their custom content to the user defined area. Not done yet, then custom behaviors usage and custom property example can be added to the user defined records. The icing on the cake is the built in Google translation editor where users can convert any text to their language. All of the data will be available to edit, copy and paste into external media or scripts. NOTE: I have hundreds of hours in the development and that is only to add data, it will have ongoing support to maintain the dictionary. That does not include the hosting fees. So I will have two types of users, those who can see all of the records, but cannot edit or copy data. Then for an annual donation of $12.00 or $1 month per user you will have full access to all the features like editing copy, paste an so on. Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/* Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclem...@gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on ooVoo at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Vaughn, That's great. I hope you're saying the app would integrate directly into LiveCode? I really don't want to have it be a separate app, but even that would be OK if your app also includes ALL the LC dictionary and notes. - Original Message - From: Vaughn Clement vclem...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:13 PM Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops... Hi larry I am in the process of doing just what your asking for, a dictionary that allows you to edit, add, and save code. It will be online in the next 15 days. I will even have Google translate in the app where you can convert the scripts or text to any language. I will annonce the app very soon. On Tuesday, March 18, 2014, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing) I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing. But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary. A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled. Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me. What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under cursor - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it. It's too difficult to remember everything. Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with cursor in column 1 and my notes in column 2 - whatever. But that seems like a pretty dopey solution. I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful and a great timesaver. Then let's rattle the LC cage. Thanks for listening. Larry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com javascript:; Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/* Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclem...@gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on ooVoo at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 ___ use-livecode
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On 3/18/14, 7:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: C. Make an separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary I like that idea a lot. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Me too, Jacqueline! But who is going to do that? I wouldn't have a clue how to begin to make a separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary. Help! Larry - Original Message - From: J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:00 PM Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops... On 3/18/14, 7:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: C. Make an separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary I like that idea a lot. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 3/19/14, 12:05 AM, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Me too, Jacqueline! But who is going to do that? I wouldn't have a clue how to begin to make a separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary. Help! I'd have a clue, but I don't have the time. Let's make Richard do it, it was his idea. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
