Re: AW: Installer software

[Skip Kimpel]

+1

> On Dec 10, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Dave Kilroy <d...@applicationinsight.com> wrote:
> 
> Well when I was a Visual Studio guy if you wanted any sort of a decent
> installer you had to use 3rd party software
> 
> Making good Windows installers can be a big thing - and it used to be the
> market leader product for this (this is about 8 years ago now) was
> InstallShield and that was PRICEY! Like a couple of thousand pounds
> 
> There were and are of course many open source solutions such as Inno Setup
> ... but like I said earlier my particular favourite was Setup Builder...
> 
> Also, the typical scenario I came across was the devs would make something
> shiny and then expect the guys with the relevant experience to knock up the
> installer over the weekend - sometimes this was possible but often it
> wouldn't be depending on what functionality was needed
> 
> So no, I don't expect LiveCode to include an installer and would prefer
> Edinburgh spend time on developing other stuff instead
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> -
> "The first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes the 
> other 90% of the time."
> Peter M. Brigham 
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Re: AW: Installer software

[Dave Kilroy]

Well when I was a Visual Studio guy if you wanted any sort of a decent
installer you had to use 3rd party software

Making good Windows installers can be a big thing - and it used to be the
market leader product for this (this is about 8 years ago now) was
InstallShield and that was PRICEY! Like a couple of thousand pounds

There were and are of course many open source solutions such as Inno Setup
... but like I said earlier my particular favourite was Setup Builder...

Also, the typical scenario I came across was the devs would make something
shiny and then expect the guys with the relevant experience to knock up the
installer over the weekend - sometimes this was possible but often it
wouldn't be depending on what functionality was needed

So no, I don't expect LiveCode to include an installer and would prefer
Edinburgh spend time on developing other stuff instead

Kind regards

Dave



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Re: AW: Installer software

[Richard Gaskin]

Dr. Hawkins wrote:

> This is kind of a basic functionality of a paid product . . .

Perhaps.  Which other commercial multi-platform development tools 
include an installer-maker?


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Re: AW: Installer software

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Stephen Barncard 
wrote:

> A widget you could create, Sir !


I could, but a the moment the project that I bought livecode for news my
attention itself.

This is kind of a basic functionality of a paid product . . .


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Re: AW: Installer software

[Stephen Barncard]

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:

> I simply find it odd that the commercial versions of livecode don't include
> installers, myself . . . this is *basic* functionality for anyone looking
> to sell the software . . .
>

A widget you could create, Sir !

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Re: AW: Installer software

[Dr. Hawkins]

I simply find it odd that the commercial versions of livecode don't include
installers, myself . . . this is *basic* functionality for anyone looking
to sell the software . . .

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AW: AW: AW: Installer software

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Very interesting to know, thank you
Tiemo

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On 09/12/2016 09:54, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> thats interesting. Right now, I pack the 2 video files (total 8 
> GB) in
> 10 zip files on DVD and store them when installing in a users choice 
> location on HD. I would have never thought it would be a good idea to 
> create one big  8GB app bundle. Do you think this would be a good 
> idea? Wouldn't this affect the loading time and memory requirement of 
> the app? I always thought that if you start an app, the whole bundle is
loaded into memory.

A Mac OS X app bundle is just a set of files.  Nothing is loaded into memory
until it's explicitly loaded by the app program.

The LiveCode Business app bundle is 1.05 GB.  However, running the IDE only
needs about 70 MB of memory.  All of the other resources in the bundle --
the standalone engines, documentation, and other files -- only get accessed
as and when they are actually used.

There's really no problem with having 2 files in an app bundle.  The
Xcode app bundle is 9.97 GB and contains 214727 files.

  Peter

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Re: AW: AW: Installer software

[Peter TB Brett]

On 09/12/2016 09:54, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

Hi Peter,
thats interesting. Right now, I pack the 2 video files (total 8 GB) in
10 zip files on DVD and store them when installing in a users choice
location on HD. I would have never thought it would be a good idea to create
one big  8GB app bundle. Do you think this would be a good idea? Wouldn't
this affect the loading time and memory requirement of the app? I always
thought that if you start an app, the whole bundle is loaded into memory.


A Mac OS X app bundle is just a set of files.  Nothing is loaded into 
memory until it's explicitly loaded by the app program.


The LiveCode Business app bundle is 1.05 GB.  However, running the IDE 
only needs about 70 MB of memory.  All of the other resources in the 
bundle -- the standalone engines, documentation, and other files -- only 
get accessed as and when they are actually used.


There's really no problem with having 2 files in an app bundle.  The 
Xcode app bundle is 9.97 GB and contains 214727 files.


 Peter

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AW: AW: AW: Installer software

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thats exactly, what I am doing and that’s why I was a bit puzzled that Peter
recommended to put all 2 files into the bundle.
Perhaps I've misinterpreted Peter
Tiemo

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Interesting discussion here. It is possible to make an 8GB app bundle, since
the files inside the bundle are still individual files. It isn't a good idea
to include 8GB of videos in a stack. I wouldn't include all 8GB of files in
one installer, since the installer is basically one big stack (which runs
completely indepenently of any other files). I would put the files in a
separate folder on the dmg and write a script that copies the files from the
folder to the preferred destination. Such a script could be started from
Installer Maker.

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Op 09-Dec-16 om 10:54 schreef Tiemo Hollmann TB:
> Hi Peter,
> thats interesting. Right now, I pack the 2 video files (total 8 
> GB) in
> 10 zip files on DVD and store them when installing in a users choice 
> location on HD. I would have never thought it would be a good idea to 
> create one big  8GB app bundle. Do you think this would be a good 
> idea? Wouldn't this affect the loading time and memory requirement of 
> the app? I always thought that if you start an app, the whole bundle is
loaded into memory.
>
> Tiemo
>
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> Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
> Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Dezember 2016 10:42
> An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> Betreff: Re: AW: Installer software
>
>
>
> On 09/12/2016 08:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>
>> the main reason for me to use installer maker is the feature, to call 
>> a program after the installer has finished (which makes a second part 
>> of installation, extraction and copying 2 videos from 10 zip 
>> files). I don't know, how I could realize this with the classic "drag 
>> and drop from DMG" paradigm.
>
> Hi Tiemo,
>
> Don't forget that .DMG files are already compressed.  I would normally 
> recommend simply shipping your 2 videos as separate files within 
> your app bundle.
>
>Peter
>
>
>
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> Manager
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Re: AW: AW: Installer software

[Mark Schonewille]

Interesting discussion here. It is possible to make an 8GB app bundle, 
since the files inside the bundle are still individual files. It isn't a 
good idea to include 8GB of videos in a stack. I wouldn't include all 
8GB of files in one installer, since the installer is basically one big 
stack (which runs completely indepenently of any other files). I would 
put the files in a separate folder on the dmg and write a script that 
copies the files from the folder to the preferred destination. Such a 
script could be started from Installer Maker.


Kind regards,

Mark Schonewille
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https://www.facebook.com/marksch

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Op 09-Dec-16 om 10:54 schreef Tiemo Hollmann TB:

Hi Peter,
thats interesting. Right now, I pack the 2 video files (total 8 GB) in
10 zip files on DVD and store them when installing in a users choice
location on HD. I would have never thought it would be a good idea to create
one big  8GB app bundle. Do you think this would be a good idea? Wouldn't
this affect the loading time and memory requirement of the app? I always
thought that if you start an app, the whole bundle is loaded into memory.

Tiemo

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On 09/12/2016 08:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


the main reason for me to use installer maker is the feature, to call
a program after the installer has finished (which makes a second part
of installation, extraction and copying 2 videos from 10 zip
files). I don't know, how I could realize this with the classic "drag
and drop from DMG" paradigm.


Hi Tiemo,

Don't forget that .DMG files are already compressed.  I would normally
recommend simply shipping your 2 videos as separate files within your
app bundle.

   Peter



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AW: AW: Installer software

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Peter,
thats interesting. Right now, I pack the 2 video files (total 8 GB) in
10 zip files on DVD and store them when installing in a users choice
location on HD. I would have never thought it would be a good idea to create
one big  8GB app bundle. Do you think this would be a good idea? Wouldn't
this affect the loading time and memory requirement of the app? I always
thought that if you start an app, the whole bundle is loaded into memory.

Tiemo

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On 09/12/2016 08:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> the main reason for me to use installer maker is the feature, to call 
> a program after the installer has finished (which makes a second part 
> of installation, extraction and copying 2 videos from 10 zip 
> files). I don't know, how I could realize this with the classic "drag 
> and drop from DMG" paradigm.

Hi Tiemo,

Don't forget that .DMG files are already compressed.  I would normally
recommend simply shipping your 2 videos as separate files within your
app bundle.

   Peter



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Re: AW: Installer software

[Peter TB Brett]

On 09/12/2016 08:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


the main reason for me to use installer maker is the feature, to call
a program after the installer has finished (which makes a second part
of installation, extraction and copying 2 videos from 10 zip
files). I don't know, how I could realize this with the classic "drag
and drop from DMG" paradigm.


Hi Tiemo,

Don't forget that .DMG files are already compressed.  I would normally
recommend simply shipping your 2 videos as separate files within
your app bundle.

  Peter



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AW: Installer software

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Paul,

the main reason for me to use installer maker is the feature, to call a program 
after the installer has finished (which makes a second part of installation, 
extraction and copying 2 videos from 10 zip files). I don't know, how I 
could realize this with the classic "drag and drop from DMG" paradigm.

Tiemo


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I haven’t worked with Windows for a while, but DropDMG works well for Mac and 
is constantly updated, it’s just a one time $24 licence.

http://c-command.com/dropdmg/

You can save layouts too so you don’t have to keep going through the same 
set-up every time.

Alternatively, if it’s simple drag and drop installations then zip files work 
fine too.

Paul
p...@livecode.org

Mac OS Sierra 10.12.1



> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Peter Bogdanoff <bogdan...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m needing to create simple installers to deploy to Mac and Win desktop.
> 
> I’ve purchased in the past Economy-x-Talk Installer Maker which doesn’t seem 
> to open now.
> 
> Any suggestions? I’m working in OS X, but use virtual Windows 10.
> 
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AW: Installer software

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Peter,
you don't say, which installer maker version and which LC version you are
using, but I know, that older installer maker versions don't run with LC 8.
Perhaps you try to build the installer with LC 6.
Tiemo

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Hi,

I’m needing to create simple installers to deploy to Mac and Win desktop.

I’ve purchased in the past Economy-x-Talk Installer Maker which doesn’t seem
to open now.

Any suggestions? I’m working in OS X, but use virtual Windows 10.

Peter Bogdanoff
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Re: Installer software

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Hello Peter,

I use DropDMG  for Mac delivery and Inno Setup  
 for Windows.
To make using Inno Setup simpler, I use Inno Script Studio 
 which has a wizard feature that lets you build a 
basic install script for Inno Setup.  DropDMG is a commercial product. Inno 
Setup and Inno Script Studio are both freeware with a donation option.

I’ve used DropDMG for many years and have been very happy with the way it can 
automate the process of building slick DMG files. The thing I found most 
puzzling about DropDMG was that most of the setup work is done by first 
selecting “preferences…” from the application menu.  

The thing I (first) scratched my head about with Inno Script Studio was to not 
select individual folders to include with the installer (when the wizard asked 
for additional files or folders) but to just select the main folder that also 
encompasses the .exe.  I’m still a complete beginner with Inno Script Studio 
but my experiences so far have been good.

Warmest regards,

Scott Morrow

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> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Peter Bogdanoff  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m needing to create simple installers to deploy to Mac and Win desktop.
> 
> I’ve purchased in the past Economy-x-Talk Installer Maker which doesn’t seem 
> to open now.
> 
> Any suggestions? I’m working in OS X, but use virtual Windows 10.
> 
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Re: Installer software

[Paul Hibbert]

I haven’t worked with Windows for a while, but DropDMG works well for Mac and 
is constantly updated, it’s just a one time $24 licence.

http://c-command.com/dropdmg/

You can save layouts too so you don’t have to keep going through the same 
set-up every time.

Alternatively, if it’s simple drag and drop installations then zip files work 
fine too.

Paul
p...@livecode.org

Mac OS Sierra 10.12.1



> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Peter Bogdanoff  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m needing to create simple installers to deploy to Mac and Win desktop.
> 
> I’ve purchased in the past Economy-x-Talk Installer Maker which doesn’t seem 
> to open now.
> 
> Any suggestions? I’m working in OS X, but use virtual Windows 10.
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff
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Installer software

[Peter Bogdanoff]

Hi,

I’m needing to create simple installers to deploy to Mac and Win desktop.

I’ve purchased in the past Economy-x-Talk Installer Maker which doesn’t seem to 
open now.

Any suggestions? I’m working in OS X, but use virtual Windows 10.

Peter Bogdanoff
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