Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-29 Thread Ray
Eric - that might work, but only if the part of the screen which 
transitions with the visual effect does not overlap the part which 
remains stationary (the rect).  In my case they do overlap so the 
snapshot idea, I believe, is the best.


Thanks

On 7/28/15 8:04 PM, Eric Corbett wrote:

Would it be helpful to use lock screen for visual effect in rect tRect?

If the controls you want to leave are in a header for instance, tRect would be 
0,bottom of header,width of cd,bottom of cd.

-E

On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


Understood, but then I'm still left with how to use the built-in visual effects 
while hiding one group and showing another and still leave the stationary 
fields out of the transition.

On 7/28/15 6:10 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
users, not me, who populate each card with objects.

That should not be a problem--you can paste, etc. to groups in the same way
as cards, and there is the start editing group sizzle to let them
populate the group.




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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Scott Rossi
I think I see what you're trying to do, and if I understand correctly, you
can't do it using built-intransitions.  You can restrict transitions
WITHIN a specified rect or object, but not outside (in this case, the
background).

What transition are you using -- one of the motion-based options like push
or scroll?  If yes, one solution could be to use the move command or
something like AnimationEngine to physically move background groups left
and right (or up and down).  But since we're talking about the entire
width/height of the card, that might be a lot of screen to update, which
could bog down on an underpowered device.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 9:01 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

Scott - the main issue is the second one you've mentioned, below,
although it would be more accurate to say 'using transitions behind a
fixed foreground'.  I'd like for the fixed foreground to be transparent,
hence the introduction of the custom window shape idea.

Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
users, not me, who populate each card with objects.  I'm also
considering snapshots of the entire screen and transitioning from one
PNG to the other while maintaining the same fixed group of objects in
the foreground.

On 7/28/15 4:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
 What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape or
 using transitions in front of a fixed background?

 AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But you
 might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving your
 card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single
card
 (with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the same
 transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding groups.

 However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
 change your background stack into a background object that appears
behind
 all cards in your foreground stack.

 Regards,

 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




 On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

 As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks
simultaneously
 on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
 around to this?

 In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
 visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
 look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
 video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
 property.

 Thanks in advance for any ideas!

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Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Ray
As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks simultaneously 
on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work 
around to this?


In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with 
visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this 
look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed, 
video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask property.


Thanks in advance for any ideas!

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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Ray
Scott - the main issue is the second one you've mentioned, below, 
although it would be more accurate to say 'using transitions behind a 
fixed foreground'.  I'd like for the fixed foreground to be transparent, 
hence the introduction of the custom window shape idea.


Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now 
that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my 
users, not me, who populate each card with objects.  I'm also 
considering snapshots of the entire screen and transitioning from one 
PNG to the other while maintaining the same fixed group of objects in 
the foreground.


On 7/28/15 4:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape or
using transitions in front of a fixed background?

AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But you
might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving your
card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single card
(with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the same
transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding groups.

However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
change your background stack into a background object that appears behind
all cards in your foreground stack.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks simultaneously
on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
around to this?

In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
property.

Thanks in advance for any ideas!

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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Scott Rossi
What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape or
using transitions in front of a fixed background?

AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But you
might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving your
card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single card
(with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the same
transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding groups.

However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
change your background stack into a background object that appears behind
all cards in your foreground stack.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks simultaneously
on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
around to this?

In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
property.

Thanks in advance for any ideas!

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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Ray
Interesting...  So is the idea that if cards become groups, I can then 
display group after group instead of card after card, but still 
unlocking the screen with visual effects each time, while maintaining a 
second 'fixed' group on top?


On 7/28/15 4:46 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks simultaneously
on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
around to this?


My thinking at the moment as I ponder a tablet version is to use groups.

I cleverly created floating stacks for controls that follow the user from
datapoint to datapoint.  I *think* I can largely change that to a group . .
.





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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Ray

Richard - many thanks.  I'll take a look.

On 7/28/15 5:00 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Ray wrote:

 Interesting...  So is the idea that if cards become groups, I
 can then display group after group instead of card after card,
 but still unlocking the screen with visual effects each time,
 while maintaining a second 'fixed' group on top?

A long time ago I had to make several set of nested groups and found 
it painful to do, so I made Pane Reliever, which lets you build a 
stack and then it gathers up the controls from each card and makes a 
group for each card, nested within a master group that can be easily 
copied-and-pasted wherever needed:

http://fourthworld.net/revnet/stacks/4W_PaneReliever.mc

I haven't even looked at it in years so I have no idea if it even 
works in recent versions of LC, but feel free to modify it however you 
like if it seems useful at all.





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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Richard Gaskin

Ray wrote:

 Interesting...  So is the idea that if cards become groups, I
 can then display group after group instead of card after card,
 but still unlocking the screen with visual effects each time,
 while maintaining a second 'fixed' group on top?

A long time ago I had to make several set of nested groups and found it 
painful to do, so I made Pane Reliever, which lets you build a stack and 
then it gathers up the controls from each card and makes a group for 
each card, nested within a master group that can be easily 
copied-and-pasted wherever needed:

http://fourthworld.net/revnet/stacks/4W_PaneReliever.mc

I haven't even looked at it in years so I have no idea if it even works 
in recent versions of LC, but feel free to modify it however you like if 
it seems useful at all.


--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

 As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks simultaneously
 on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
 around to this?


My thinking at the moment as I ponder a tablet version is to use groups.

I cleverly created floating stacks for controls that follow the user from
datapoint to datapoint.  I *think* I can largely change that to a group . .
.


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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


 Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
 that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
 users, not me, who populate each card with objects.


That should not be a problem--you can paste, etc. to groups in the same way
as cards, and there is the start editing group sizzle to let them
populate the group.


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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Ray

I'm currently using this:
   lock screen for visual effect
   go next card
   unlock screen with visual effect push right fast

Works great, but it's the whole card.  I'd like to maintain a few 
transparent fields and images in a fixed way in front of this so the 
whole transition is happening behind these objects, much like a 
'heads-up' in a video game which shows how much ammunition you have left.


I, too, doubt the move command would work well on under-powered mobile 
devices.  I'm kind of leaning toward something like this:
   hide the objects I want to remain stationary and get a snapshot of 
the both the current and destination cards

   re-show the objects I want to remain stationary
   lock screen for visual effect
   hide the snapshot of the current card, show the snapshot of the 
destination card

   unlock screen with visual effect push right fast
   copy the objects I want to remain stationary to the destination card
   go to the destination card
   delete both snapshots

What do you think?


On 7/28/15 5:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

I think I see what you're trying to do, and if I understand correctly, you
can't do it using built-intransitions.  You can restrict transitions
WITHIN a specified rect or object, but not outside (in this case, the
background).

What transition are you using -- one of the motion-based options like push
or scroll?  If yes, one solution could be to use the move command or
something like AnimationEngine to physically move background groups left
and right (or up and down).  But since we're talking about the entire
width/height of the card, that might be a lot of screen to update, which
could bog down on an underpowered device.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 9:01 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


Scott - the main issue is the second one you've mentioned, below,
although it would be more accurate to say 'using transitions behind a
fixed foreground'.  I'd like for the fixed foreground to be transparent,
hence the introduction of the custom window shape idea.

Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
users, not me, who populate each card with objects.  I'm also
considering snapshots of the entire screen and transitioning from one
PNG to the other while maintaining the same fixed group of objects in
the foreground.

On 7/28/15 4:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape or
using transitions in front of a fixed background?

AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But you
might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving your
card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single
card
(with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the same
transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding groups.

However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
change your background stack into a background object that appears
behind
all cards in your foreground stack.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks
simultaneously
on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
around to this?

In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
property.

Thanks in advance for any ideas!

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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Scott Rossi
If you're planning to hide the stationary objects during the transition,
that would work, but otherwise, I don't think so.  You can't use a
built-in motion transition and keep objects (real or virtual) in a fixed
location on the card.

One thing that came to mind as another option is the updated browser
control.  I *think* the new version might allow layering with other
LiveCode objects, but I'm not sure.  If yes, then that could be an option
since you could place a browser on the first layer of the card to display
background images, and use Javascript to do some nice transitions behind
objects in the foreground.  How well this would work on mobile, if it does
at all, I have no idea.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 9:37 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

I'm currently using this:
lock screen for visual effect
go next card
unlock screen with visual effect push right fast

Works great, but it's the whole card.  I'd like to maintain a few
transparent fields and images in a fixed way in front of this so the
whole transition is happening behind these objects, much like a
'heads-up' in a video game which shows how much ammunition you have left.

I, too, doubt the move command would work well on under-powered mobile
devices.  I'm kind of leaning toward something like this:
hide the objects I want to remain stationary and get a snapshot of
the both the current and destination cards
re-show the objects I want to remain stationary
lock screen for visual effect
hide the snapshot of the current card, show the snapshot of the
destination card
unlock screen with visual effect push right fast
copy the objects I want to remain stationary to the destination card
go to the destination card
delete both snapshots

What do you think?


On 7/28/15 5:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
 I think I see what you're trying to do, and if I understand correctly,
you
 can't do it using built-intransitions.  You can restrict transitions
 WITHIN a specified rect or object, but not outside (in this case, the
 background).

 What transition are you using -- one of the motion-based options like
push
 or scroll?  If yes, one solution could be to use the move command or
 something like AnimationEngine to physically move background groups left
 and right (or up and down).  But since we're talking about the entire
 width/height of the card, that might be a lot of screen to update, which
 could bog down on an underpowered device.

 Regards,

 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




 On 7/28/15, 9:01 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

 Scott - the main issue is the second one you've mentioned, below,
 although it would be more accurate to say 'using transitions behind a
 fixed foreground'.  I'd like for the fixed foreground to be
transparent,
 hence the introduction of the custom window shape idea.

 Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although
now
 that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
 users, not me, who populate each card with objects.  I'm also
 considering snapshots of the entire screen and transitioning from one
 PNG to the other while maintaining the same fixed group of objects in
 the foreground.

 On 7/28/15 4:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
 What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape
or
 using transitions in front of a fixed background?

 AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But
you
 might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving
your
 card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single
 card
 (with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the
same
 transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding
groups.

 However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
 change your background stack into a background object that appears
 behind
 all cards in your foreground stack.

 Regards,

 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




 On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

 As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks
 simultaneously
 on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a
work
 around to this?

 In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
 visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
 look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
 video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
 property.

 Thanks in advance for any ideas!

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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Ray
Understood, but then I'm still left with how to use the built-in visual 
effects while hiding one group and showing another and still leave the 
stationary fields out of the transition.


On 7/28/15 6:10 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
users, not me, who populate each card with objects.


That should not be a problem--you can paste, etc. to groups in the same way
as cards, and there is the start editing group sizzle to let them
populate the group.





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Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Ray
Scott - I'm experimenting with this now and not having a whole lot of 
success, mainly due to the limitation you've mentioned here.  I was 
hoping I could hide and show images instead of going from card to card.  
That might leave a field on screen independent of the transition, but I 
was wrong.  You're right.  You can't use a built-in motion transition 
and keep an object on the card independent of it.  I'm not hopeful about 
the browser idea on mobile so I have to give this some thought.  I guess 
I can experiment with the move command.  Wouldn't it be nice if I could 
just display a stack as a floating palette on mobile!


On 7/28/15 5:59 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

If you're planning to hide the stationary objects during the transition,
that would work, but otherwise, I don't think so.  You can't use a
built-in motion transition and keep objects (real or virtual) in a fixed
location on the card.

One thing that came to mind as another option is the updated browser
control.  I *think* the new version might allow layering with other
LiveCode objects, but I'm not sure.  If yes, then that could be an option
since you could place a browser on the first layer of the card to display
background images, and use Javascript to do some nice transitions behind
objects in the foreground.  How well this would work on mobile, if it does
at all, I have no idea.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 9:37 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


I'm currently using this:
lock screen for visual effect
go next card
unlock screen with visual effect push right fast

Works great, but it's the whole card.  I'd like to maintain a few
transparent fields and images in a fixed way in front of this so the
whole transition is happening behind these objects, much like a
'heads-up' in a video game which shows how much ammunition you have left.

I, too, doubt the move command would work well on under-powered mobile
devices.  I'm kind of leaning toward something like this:
hide the objects I want to remain stationary and get a snapshot of
the both the current and destination cards
re-show the objects I want to remain stationary
lock screen for visual effect
hide the snapshot of the current card, show the snapshot of the
destination card
unlock screen with visual effect push right fast
copy the objects I want to remain stationary to the destination card
go to the destination card
delete both snapshots

What do you think?


On 7/28/15 5:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

I think I see what you're trying to do, and if I understand correctly,
you
can't do it using built-intransitions.  You can restrict transitions
WITHIN a specified rect or object, but not outside (in this case, the
background).

What transition are you using -- one of the motion-based options like
push
or scroll?  If yes, one solution could be to use the move command or
something like AnimationEngine to physically move background groups left
and right (or up and down).  But since we're talking about the entire
width/height of the card, that might be a lot of screen to update, which
could bog down on an underpowered device.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 9:01 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


Scott - the main issue is the second one you've mentioned, below,
although it would be more accurate to say 'using transitions behind a
fixed foreground'.  I'd like for the fixed foreground to be
transparent,
hence the introduction of the custom window shape idea.

Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although
now
that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
users, not me, who populate each card with objects.  I'm also
considering snapshots of the entire screen and transitioning from one
PNG to the other while maintaining the same fixed group of objects in
the foreground.

On 7/28/15 4:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape
or
using transitions in front of a fixed background?

AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But
you
might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving
your
card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single
card
(with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the
same
transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding
groups.

However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
change your background stack into a background object that appears
behind
all cards in your foreground stack.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:


As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks
simultaneously
on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a
work
around to this?

In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition 

Re: Multiple Stacks on Mobile

2015-07-28 Thread Eric Corbett
Would it be helpful to use lock screen for visual effect in rect tRect?

If the controls you want to leave are in a header for instance, tRect would be 
0,bottom of header,width of cd,bottom of cd.

-E

On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

 Understood, but then I'm still left with how to use the built-in visual 
 effects while hiding one group and showing another and still leave the 
 stationary fields out of the transition.
 
 On 7/28/15 6:10 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:
 
 Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
 that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
 users, not me, who populate each card with objects.
 
 That should not be a problem--you can paste, etc. to groups in the same way
 as cards, and there is the start editing group sizzle to let them
 populate the group.
 
 
 
 
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