OT: OMGwebsites

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Hi Bob,

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Almost inevitably, they would get back to him days
> or even weeks later and say, "How's that web page
> coming along. We really need it." He would reply that
> he asked for content and had not gotten it yet.
> They would usually reply something like, "I thought
> that was what you did."
> Yeah. I'm not kidding.

This story reflects exactly my own experience... and
this explains why I prefer to avoid web design, as much
as I can. But given the absence of LiveCode content in spanish
language, I must have to create new content (or translate current
articles and posts).

Al
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Re: OT: OMGwebsites

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I think you are overestimating people in general. I knew a guy I worked with in 
a Church setting, who did all the web development for the different web pages 
for each ministry. (It was a large Church). He would be contracted to produce a 
presence page for a particular ministry, so he would ask the head of that 
ministry for some content. Photos, text blurbs, the usual. 

Almost inevitably, they would get back to him days or even weeks later and say, 
"How's that web page coming along. We really need it." He would reply that he 
asked for content and had not gotten it yet. They would usually reply something 
like, "I thought that was what you did." 

Yeah. I'm not kidding. 

Bob S



> On Sep 27, 2017, at 09:44 , Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I pointed this out they first did not get why the external links would 
> not work and they said the content will appear. I can only think this comes 
> from the fact that most folks under 30 have grown up with the internet and 
> all it's content just being there magically and when they get to a point of 
> having to produce it they just think it is always out there and they don't 
> have to really deal with it even when their job requires creating good 
> content for their companies or orgs needs. I have been bluntly asked many 
> times why should I bother creating the content. I keep asking well where will 
> folks get it? Call you up, lord no that costs too much money and we don't 
> want to answer questions that way!


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Re: OT: OMGwebsites

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Mark,

Welcome to the new world of websites... I've gotten out of the business as 
content is now an evil thing in websites. It's being tossed out right and left 
and what's left is being rewritten into three sentence paragraphs of 
garbledgook separated by large full width photos and repeated 10-20 times down 
a page in the longest scrolls I have ever seen these days!

Websites that were all about content are even doing this. One client actually 
said why do we have all this content, let's dump it. When I asked where the 
visitors will get the content on the community (chamber site), they said we can 
just do external links to get that content. I then asked where those sites 
would be and they listed a few, but all these sites linked to us to get that 
content, we were the only ones who had it. When I pointed this out they first 
did not get why the external links would not work and they said the content 
will appear. I can only think this comes from the fact that most folks under 30 
have grown up with the internet and all it's content just being there magically 
and when they get to a point of having to produce it they just think it is 
always out there and they don't have to really deal with it even when their job 
requires creating good content for their companies or orgs needs. I have been 
bluntly asked many times why should I bother creating the content
 . I keep asking well where will folks get it? Call you up, lord no that costs 
too much money and we don't want to answer questions that way!

Order and organization is also now forbidden. Things are arranged with pictures 
and statements and the condensed content bits are then sprinkled in after this 
with no real thought as to order and organization.

It may also come from marketing. There is a strong camp in marketing that I've 
run into for decades in working with marketing both internal and external that 
feels you never want to be really clear about what you are selling. Use to 
drive me crazy as we would have the top rated product but the marketing 
materials really did not clearly show what we had and emphasize the main points 
we were rated so highly for! On the marketing materials we looked just the same 
as our lowest quality competitors! 

I've been finding it harder myself to get basic information on things in my own 
web research as well due to all the above, it's sad as you would think it would 
get easier with time here but most of the basic information for companies and 
products is getting dropped and fuzzier. The worse thing is this has been 
translated over to content focused sites as being the new cultural norm to 
follow. Very sad...

Jeff

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 6:00 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> I gotta say I feel better about the LC website after reading this:
> 
> https://hackernoon.com/for-the-love-of-god-please-tell-me-what-your-company-does-c2f0b835ab92
> 
> -- 
>  Mark Wieder


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Re: OT: OMGwebsites

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Great article. I do the same thing myself, going elsewhere if I cannot get 
enough informatino, but my beef is when there is no phone number or even a chat 
bubble I can use to talk to someone about what my particular problem is and 
whether or not the solution will solve it. No one to contact means to me, "Such 
a small startup company that we cannot hire someone to answer the phone or 
address your issue in person, and we are hoping you won't notice."

Bob S


> On Sep 26, 2017, at 18:11 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I gotta say I feel better about the LC website after reading this:
> 
> https://hackernoon.com/for-the-love-of-god-please-tell-me-what-your-company-does-c2f0b835ab92
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com


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OT: OMGwebsites

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

I gotta say I feel better about the LC website after reading this:

https://hackernoon.com/for-the-love-of-god-please-tell-me-what-your-company-does-c2f0b835ab92

--
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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