Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I've got another project we could work on as part of an LCB "class"
- un-hardcoding the icons that are in the various widgets, so the developer
can drag/drop SVG's.  Perhaps that could be from an icon library widget.
Segmented controls, buttons, etc. could all benefit from this.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> Sounds like my coding experience every single day. ;-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 2017, at 11:23 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > That isn't to say it's a complete mess, but when I jump in to start
> looking
> > at something, it feels like I'm in an escape room, because I'm trying to
> > learn what the heck is what, why it works that way, and work on it at the
> > same time.
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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Sounds like my coding experience every single day. ;-)

Bob S


> On Oct 27, 2017, at 11:23 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> That isn't to say it's a complete mess, but when I jump in to start looking
> at something, it feels like I'm in an escape room, because I'm trying to
> learn what the heck is what, why it works that way, and work on it at the
> same time.


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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

That isn't to say it's a complete mess, but when I jump in to start looking
at something, it feels like I'm in an escape room, because I'm trying to
learn what the heck is what, why it works that way, and work on it at the
same time.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> Which is exactly why a hacking series would be welcome.  When I jump in, I
> find something that looks to me like tangled spaghetti.  If I had a better
> macro understanding, I might spend less time giving up and more time doing
> something cool with it.
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/27/2017 04:36 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> The main question is how do we make all of us more
>>> comfortable with the code so we all feel more comfortable diving in,
>>> doing
>>> things, and therefore expanding the IDE developer group.
>>>
>>
>> The main problem I see with working on the IDE components is that they're
>> quite interdependent and tightly coupled. For years now we've had the
>> carrot dangled in front of us that "soon" the IDE will be just a framework
>> to which autonomous components will attach. But the fact remains that the
>> script editor, debugger, tool palette, property editor, menubar, etc, all
>> rely on not only each others' existence, but also the existence and
>> operation of certain features, e.g., when an IDE library frontscript sends
>> a mouseUp message to button x of the tool palette.
>>
>> The pubsub mechanism now in the IDE is a big step forward to relieving
>> this situation, but it's artificially crippled and thwarts anything other
>> than putting bandages on a legacy structure that dates back two decades.
>>
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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Which is exactly why a hacking series would be welcome.  When I jump in, I
find something that looks to me like tangled spaghetti.  If I had a better
macro understanding, I might spend less time giving up and more time doing
something cool with it.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 10/27/2017 04:36 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> The main question is how do we make all of us more
>> comfortable with the code so we all feel more comfortable diving in, doing
>> things, and therefore expanding the IDE developer group.
>>
>
> The main problem I see with working on the IDE components is that they're
> quite interdependent and tightly coupled. For years now we've had the
> carrot dangled in front of us that "soon" the IDE will be just a framework
> to which autonomous components will attach. But the fact remains that the
> script editor, debugger, tool palette, property editor, menubar, etc, all
> rely on not only each others' existence, but also the existence and
> operation of certain features, e.g., when an IDE library frontscript sends
> a mouseUp message to button x of the tool palette.
>
> The pubsub mechanism now in the IDE is a big step forward to relieving
> this situation, but it's artificially crippled and thwarts anything other
> than putting bandages on a legacy structure that dates back two decades.
>
> --
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>  ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 10/27/2017 04:36 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

The main question is how do we make all of us more
comfortable with the code so we all feel more comfortable diving in, doing
things, and therefore expanding the IDE developer group.


The main problem I see with working on the IDE components is that 
they're quite interdependent and tightly coupled. For years now we've 
had the carrot dangled in front of us that "soon" the IDE will be just a 
framework to which autonomous components will attach. But the fact 
remains that the script editor, debugger, tool palette, property editor, 
menubar, etc, all rely on not only each others' existence, but also the 
existence and operation of certain features, e.g., when an IDE library 
frontscript sends a mouseUp message to button x of the tool palette.


The pubsub mechanism now in the IDE is a big step forward to relieving 
this situation, but it's artificially crippled and thwarts anything 
other than putting bandages on a legacy structure that dates back two 
decades.


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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Cool!  Working on the PB was more of an example, though, to get people
thinking about what sorts of things a in-depth class that spans several
sessions could cover.  I was going to suggest standalone settings, but Ali
is tackling that.  The main question is how do we make all of us more
comfortable with the code so we all feel more comfortable diving in, doing
things, and therefore expanding the IDE developer group.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > On 26 Oct 2017, at 11:28 pm, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I already asked Kevin to add a series on hacking the IDE.  We could do a
> > project as part of that, perhaps redoing the project browser - that would
> > probably take long enough to require an hour each session...
>
> If you are interested on project browser improvements you might want to
> look at the object repository library I did a couple of weeks ago. The idea
> with it is as the IDE (particularly the PB) needs to keep track of objects
> that have mutable long IDs it’s hard to make it robust. The library uses a
> store of direct object references in LCB and an integer reference to them
> so that if the name changes you can keep track of it.
>
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6050 <
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6050>
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 26 Oct 2017, at 11:28 pm, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I already asked Kevin to add a series on hacking the IDE.  We could do a
> project as part of that, perhaps redoing the project browser - that would
> probably take long enough to require an hour each session...

If you are interested on project browser improvements you might want to look at 
the object repository library I did a couple of weeks ago. The idea with it is 
as the IDE (particularly the PB) needs to keep track of objects that have 
mutable long IDs it’s hard to make it robust. The library uses a store of 
direct object references in LCB and an integer reference to them so that if the 
name changes you can keep track of it.

https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6050 


Cheers

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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[hh via use-livecode]

> Richard G. wrote:
> What sort of IDE hacks would you two be interested in? 

besides the project browser are possibly interesting objects,
more for extending/contributing than "hacking"

= the property editor (usable from both, LC Script and LC Builder).
= the preferences stack.


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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

hh wrote:

>> Mike K. wrote:
>> I already asked Kevin to add a series on hacking the IDE. We could do
> a project as part of that, perhaps redoing the project browser - that
> would probably take long enough to require an hour each session...
>
> That would be very interesting, whether project browser or not, to get
> (more) insight into the IDE.

I like it.  If I need to dive back into it some more 'tween now and then 
I might take a stab at that.


What sort of IDE hacks would you two be interested in?

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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[hh via use-livecode]

> Mike K. wrote:
> I already asked Kevin to add a series on hacking the IDE. We could do a 
> project as part of that, perhaps redoing the project browser - that would 
> probably take long enough to require an hour each session... 

That would be very interesting, whether project browser or not, to get (more) 
insight into the IDE.
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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I already asked Kevin to add a series on hacking the IDE.  We could do a
project as part of that, perhaps redoing the project browser - that would
probably take long enough to require an hour each session...

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thank you Roger. We've had so much great feedback about this method of
> delivering content. It's not the same as a fully live conference, no, but
> in some ways it works better. They are different things. We're not saying
> we'll never do another one live. We're just saying hey, this was great.
> Let's do it again!
>
> So folks, come on, be a part of it, and start sending me speaker ideas and
> submissions. Don't want to speak yourself but know of someone else with a
> fabulous project or viewpoint to share? Dob them in and tell me all about
> it.
>
> conference-spea...@livecode.com 
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Heather
>
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
>
>
>
> > On 25 Oct 2017, at 11:16, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > All that was missing was the food, the drink, and the boat rides. The
> > content and the video quality was so much more, and so much better, imho.
> >
> > I thoroughly enjoyed the in-person conferences, however there's no reason
> > the group couldn't do smaller sessions specifically to address that gap
> in
> > social interaction. It's too bad we don't have virtual reality yet. LOL
> >
> > ~Roger
> >
> >
> > On Oct 24, 2017 9:35 PM, "Mark Wieder via use-livecode" <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 10/24/2017 08:36 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >> Dear List Folks,
> >>
> >> It may or may not yet have come to your attention that due to the great
> >> success and popularity of LiveCode Global, we are running it again next
> >> year. So I'm once again sending out the call for speakers. Got something
> >> interesting to share with the community? Could you fill 7 minutes, 30
> >> minutes or 50 minutes with some LiveCode Goodness? We'll be starting
> again
> >> on January 18th, and then every second month, on 15th March, 17th May,
> 19th
> >> July, 20th September and 15th November. Are you free for an hour on any
> of
> >> those days?
> >>
> >
> > That sounds like the last nail in the coffin for the actual conferences.
> >
> > --
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> > ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> >
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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Thank you Roger. We've had so much great feedback about this method of 
delivering content. It's not the same as a fully live conference, no, but in 
some ways it works better. They are different things. We're not saying we'll 
never do another one live. We're just saying hey, this was great. Let's do it 
again!

So folks, come on, be a part of it, and start sending me speaker ideas and 
submissions. Don't want to speak yourself but know of someone else with a 
fabulous project or viewpoint to share? Dob them in and tell me all about it.

conference-spea...@livecode.com 

Best Regards,

Heather


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> On 25 Oct 2017, at 11:16, Roger Eller via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> All that was missing was the food, the drink, and the boat rides. The
> content and the video quality was so much more, and so much better, imho.
> 
> I thoroughly enjoyed the in-person conferences, however there's no reason
> the group couldn't do smaller sessions specifically to address that gap in
> social interaction. It's too bad we don't have virtual reality yet. LOL
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2017 9:35 PM, "Mark Wieder via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 10/24/2017 08:36 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> Dear List Folks,
>> 
>> It may or may not yet have come to your attention that due to the great
>> success and popularity of LiveCode Global, we are running it again next
>> year. So I'm once again sending out the call for speakers. Got something
>> interesting to share with the community? Could you fill 7 minutes, 30
>> minutes or 50 minutes with some LiveCode Goodness? We'll be starting again
>> on January 18th, and then every second month, on 15th March, 17th May, 19th
>> July, 20th September and 15th November. Are you free for an hour on any of
>> those days?
>> 
> 
> That sounds like the last nail in the coffin for the actual conferences.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

All that was missing was the food, the drink, and the boat rides. The
content and the video quality was so much more, and so much better, imho.

I thoroughly enjoyed the in-person conferences, however there's no reason
the group couldn't do smaller sessions specifically to address that gap in
social interaction. It's too bad we don't have virtual reality yet. LOL

~Roger


On Oct 24, 2017 9:35 PM, "Mark Wieder via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

On 10/24/2017 08:36 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

> Dear List Folks,
>
> It may or may not yet have come to your attention that due to the great
> success and popularity of LiveCode Global, we are running it again next
> year. So I'm once again sending out the call for speakers. Got something
> interesting to share with the community? Could you fill 7 minutes, 30
> minutes or 50 minutes with some LiveCode Goodness? We'll be starting again
> on January 18th, and then every second month, on 15th March, 17th May, 19th
> July, 20th September and 15th November. Are you free for an hour on any of
> those days?
>

That sounds like the last nail in the coffin for the actual conferences.

-- 
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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Peter W A Wood via use-livecode]

On 25 Oct 2017, at 09:34, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:

> That sounds like the last nail in the coffin for the actual conferences.

Sounds like a great opportunity for you to launch Mark Wieder Event Management 
Inc.

;-)

Peter
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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 10/24/2017 08:36 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Dear List Folks,

It may or may not yet have come to your attention that due to the great success 
and popularity of LiveCode Global, we are running it again next year. So I'm 
once again sending out the call for speakers. Got something interesting to 
share with the community? Could you fill 7 minutes, 30 minutes or 50 minutes 
with some LiveCode Goodness? We'll be starting again on January 18th, and then 
every second month, on 15th March, 17th May, 19th July, 20th September and 15th 
November. Are you free for an hour on any of those days?


That sounds like the last nail in the coffin for the actual conferences.

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