Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Bob Sneidar bobs@... writes:

 
 Maybe someone at Runrev will ask me to write up an article about it! 

Why wait? Write up the article and send it to Heather for the newsletter.

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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread René Micout
I have test it !
Choose a gif spinner
Generate it
Download it
Import it as control in LiveCode
And hide/show it
I think it is great...

Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:01, René Micout a écrit :

 Hello Bob,
 You can use a gif, see here :
 
 http://www.ajaxload.info/
 
 René
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 19:15, Bob Sneidar a écrit :
 
 Hi all. I know this has been discussed in length in the past, but I cannot 
 remember what the conclusion was. Does anyone have/know about an independent 
 progress bar/wheel that can be used with Livecode, that will function 
 independently even when Livecode is running a script? I know I could kludge 
 it myself if I had control over the scripts I am running, but I do not. 
 
 One script is Trevor's sqlYoga which is locked, and also I am opening an SQL 
 database remotely, and it takes a few seconds sometimes to have that return 
 control. What is needed is an addon dialog created in some version of C that 
 we can call on to display a progress bar/spinner, but I am not sure if 
 anyone has made such a thing. 
 
 Seems like a really good addition to Livecode, but I don't think we are 
 going to see something like that soon. 
 
 Bob
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread René Micout
It is better than Spinner Store
:-(


Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:05, René Micout a écrit :

 I have test it !
 Choose a gif spinner
 Generate it
 Download it
 Import it as control in LiveCode
 And hide/show it
 I think it is great...
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:01, René Micout a écrit :
 
 Hello Bob,
 You can use a gif, see here :
 
 http://www.ajaxload.info/
 
 René
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 19:15, Bob Sneidar a écrit :
 
 Hi all. I know this has been discussed in length in the past, but I cannot 
 remember what the conclusion was. Does anyone have/know about an 
 independent progress bar/wheel that can be used with Livecode, that will 
 function independently even when Livecode is running a script? I know I 
 could kludge it myself if I had control over the scripts I am running, but 
 I do not. 
 
 One script is Trevor's sqlYoga which is locked, and also I am opening an 
 SQL database remotely, and it takes a few seconds sometimes to have that 
 return control. What is needed is an addon dialog created in some version 
 of C that we can call on to display a progress bar/spinner, but I am not 
 sure if anyone has made such a thing. 
 
 Seems like a really good addition to Livecode, but I don't think we are 
 going to see something like that soon. 
 
 Bob
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread stephen barncard
I think the animated gifs will stall while certain operations are happening.

On 14 December 2011 11:06, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote:

 It is better than Spinner Store
 :-(


 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:05, René Micout a écrit :

  I have test it !
  Choose a gif spinner
  Generate it
  Download it
  Import it as control in LiveCode
  And hide/show it
  I think it is great...
 
  Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:01, René Micout a écrit :
 
  Hello Bob,
  You can use a gif, see here :
 
  http://www.ajaxload.info/
 
  René
 
  Le 14 déc. 2011 à 19:15, Bob Sneidar a écrit :
 
  Hi all. I know this has been discussed in length in the past, but I
 cannot remember what the conclusion was. Does anyone have/know about an
 independent progress bar/wheel that can be used with Livecode, that will
 function independently even when Livecode is running a script? I know I
 could kludge it myself if I had control over the scripts I am running, but
 I do not.
 
  One script is Trevor's sqlYoga which is locked, and also I am opening
 an SQL database remotely, and it takes a few seconds sometimes to have that
 return control. What is needed is an addon dialog created in some version
 of C that we can call on to display a progress bar/spinner, but I am not
 sure if anyone has made such a thing.
 
  Seems like a really good addition to Livecode, but I don't think we
 are going to see something like that soon.
 
  Bob
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread René Micout
Yes I think so but this is the case in Mac OS X (... sometimes...)

Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:25, stephen barncard a écrit :

 I think the animated gifs will stall while certain operations are happening.
 
 On 14 December 2011 11:06, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote:
 
 It is better than Spinner Store
 :-(
 
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:05, René Micout a écrit :
 
 I have test it !
 Choose a gif spinner
 Generate it
 Download it
 Import it as control in LiveCode
 And hide/show it
 I think it is great...
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:01, René Micout a écrit :
 
 Hello Bob,
 You can use a gif, see here :
 
 http://www.ajaxload.info/
 
 René
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 19:15, Bob Sneidar a écrit :
 
 Hi all. I know this has been discussed in length in the past, but I
 cannot remember what the conclusion was. Does anyone have/know about an
 independent progress bar/wheel that can be used with Livecode, that will
 function independently even when Livecode is running a script? I know I
 could kludge it myself if I had control over the scripts I am running, but
 I do not.
 
 One script is Trevor's sqlYoga which is locked, and also I am opening
 an SQL database remotely, and it takes a few seconds sometimes to have that
 return control. What is needed is an addon dialog created in some version
 of C that we can call on to display a progress bar/spinner, but I am not
 sure if anyone has made such a thing.
 
 Seems like a really good addition to Livecode, but I don't think we
 are going to see something like that soon.
 
 Bob
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread Bob Sneidar
Better than my solution too! I created a standalone and used applescript to 
activate it. Now maybe I will use that site to create a Plugin for spinners. 

Bob


On Dec 14, 2011, at 11:06 AM, René Micout wrote:

 It is better than Spinner Store
 :-(
 
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:05, René Micout a écrit :
 
 I have test it !
 Choose a gif spinner
 Generate it
 Download it
 Import it as control in LiveCode
 And hide/show it
 I think it is great...
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:01, René Micout a écrit :
 
 Hello Bob,
 You can use a gif, see here :
 
 http://www.ajaxload.info/
 
 René
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 19:15, Bob Sneidar a écrit :
 
 Hi all. I know this has been discussed in length in the past, but I cannot 
 remember what the conclusion was. Does anyone have/know about an 
 independent progress bar/wheel that can be used with Livecode, that will 
 function independently even when Livecode is running a script? I know I 
 could kludge it myself if I had control over the scripts I am running, but 
 I do not. 
 
 One script is Trevor's sqlYoga which is locked, and also I am opening an 
 SQL database remotely, and it takes a few seconds sometimes to have that 
 return control. What is needed is an addon dialog created in some version 
 of C that we can call on to display a progress bar/spinner, but I am not 
 sure if anyone has made such a thing. 
 
 Seems like a really good addition to Livecode, but I don't think we are 
 going to see something like that soon. 
 
 Bob
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread Bob Sneidar
Ohhh you are right. Well my Standalone idea works a peach, if you can stand 
having a user see another app launch with only one menu, then disappear without 
knowing why. I could make it more robust if I knew how to pass information to a 
standalone created in Livecode. I think there are some lessons on that. Time to 
read up a bit. 

Bob


On Dec 14, 2011, at 11:25 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

 I think the animated gifs will stall while certain operations are happening.
 
 On 14 December 2011 11:06, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote:
 
 It is better than Spinner Store
 :-(
 
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:05, René Micout a écrit :
 
 I have test it !
 Choose a gif spinner
 Generate it
 Download it
 Import it as control in LiveCode
 And hide/show it
 I think it is great...
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:01, René Micout a écrit :
 
 Hello Bob,
 You can use a gif, see here :
 
 http://www.ajaxload.info/
 
 René
 
 Le 14 déc. 2011 à 19:15, Bob Sneidar a écrit :
 
 Hi all. I know this has been discussed in length in the past, but I
 cannot remember what the conclusion was. Does anyone have/know about an
 independent progress bar/wheel that can be used with Livecode, that will
 function independently even when Livecode is running a script? I know I
 could kludge it myself if I had control over the scripts I am running, but
 I do not.
 
 One script is Trevor's sqlYoga which is locked, and also I am opening
 an SQL database remotely, and it takes a few seconds sometimes to have that
 return control. What is needed is an addon dialog created in some version
 of C that we can call on to display a progress bar/spinner, but I am not
 sure if anyone has made such a thing.
 
 Seems like a really good addition to Livecode, but I don't think we
 are going to see something like that soon.
 
 Bob
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread stephen barncard
there was also a script for an animated spinner that used 'send in time' to
advance the frames. I'll try and find it if interested.

sqb

On 14 December 2011 11:44, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

 Ohhh you are right. Well my Standalone idea works a peach, if you can
 stand having a user see another app launch with only one menu, then
 disappear without knowing why. I could make it more robust if I knew how to
 pass information to a standalone created in Livecode. I think there are
 some lessons on that. Time to read up a bit.

 Bob


 On Dec 14, 2011, at 11:25 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

  I think the animated gifs will stall while certain operations are
 happening.
 
  On 14 December 2011 11:06, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com
 wrote:
 
  It is better than Spinner Store
  :-(
 
 
  Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:05, René Micout a écrit :
 
  I have test it !
  Choose a gif spinner
  Generate it
  Download it
  Import it as control in LiveCode
  And hide/show it
  I think it is great...
 
  Le 14 déc. 2011 à 20:01, René Micout a écrit :
 
  Hello Bob,
  You can use a gif, see here :
 
  http://www.ajaxload.info/
 
  René
 
  Le 14 déc. 2011 à 19:15, Bob Sneidar a écrit :
 
  Hi all. I know this has been discussed in length in the past, but I
  cannot remember what the conclusion was. Does anyone have/know about an
  independent progress bar/wheel that can be used with Livecode, that will
  function independently even when Livecode is running a script? I know I
  could kludge it myself if I had control over the scripts I am running,
 but
  I do not.
 
  One script is Trevor's sqlYoga which is locked, and also I am opening
  an SQL database remotely, and it takes a few seconds sometimes to have
 that
  return control. What is needed is an addon dialog created in some
 version
  of C that we can call on to display a progress bar/spinner, but I am not
  sure if anyone has made such a thing.
 
  Seems like a really good addition to Livecode, but I don't think we
  are going to see something like that soon.
 
  Bob
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread Richard Gaskin

FWIW:

Asynchronous GIF playback
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7600

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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread Bob Sneidar
Voted for it. Not too many people seem to be using this system though. 

Bob

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 FWIW:
 
 Asynchronous GIF playback
 http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7600
 
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread stephen barncard
I would use them if they worked.   These would be awesome little indicator
packages, if we don't overuse it like blinking in old web sites. Browsers
seem to do this with little cpu load.
Remember Imageready?

On 14 December 2011 13:05, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

 Voted for it. Not too many people seem to be using this system though.

 Bob

 On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

  FWIW:
 
  Asynchronous GIF playback
  http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7600
 
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread Bob Sneidar
Well some may have missed it, but I was saying that I created a standalone, and 
all it does is display a window that has no title bar, with a message and a 
spinning gif. I use it when I am opening an app that uses SQL to give the user 
something to look at while the connection is made and everything is set up. 
Someone who is adventurous and good at setting up communication between two 
Livecode apps could easily find a way to change the message and set the 
location you want it to show up in, among other things, making it a cheap but 
effective little Wait... dialog. 

I launch it by putting together a simple Applescript command in my startup 
stack that tells the :Spinner application to activate. When I am done with it, 
I tell the app to quit. It's actually kind of nice, except that of course, it's 
an app, and they can be quit or hidden. Since the typical time I need to wait 
is only a few seconds, it's not a problem. 

If I was any good at making a Livecode external, I would try, but alas, I know 
nothing of C. 

Bob


On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:59 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

 I would use them if they worked.   These would be awesome little indicator
 packages, if we don't overuse it like blinking in old web sites. Browsers
 seem to do this with little cpu load.
 Remember Imageready?
 
 On 14 December 2011 13:05, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
 
 Voted for it. Not too many people seem to be using this system though.
 
 Bob
 
 On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 
 FWIW:
 
 Asynchronous GIF playback
 http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7600
 
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread Mike Bonner
If its apple only, can you use send to program to control your twirly
stack? No mac here anymore so can't try it.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, stephen barncard 
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:

 one way to achieve multi-tasking.   Actually brilliant. What is the size of
 that little sucker?

 On 14 December 2011 15:49, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

  Well some may have missed it, but I was saying that I created a
  standalone, and all it does is display a window that has no title bar,
 with
  a message and a spinning gif. I use it when I am opening an app that uses
  SQL to give the user something to look at while the connection is made
 and
  everything is set up. Someone who is adventurous and good at setting up
  communication between two Livecode apps could easily find a way to change
  the message and set the location you want it to show up in, among other
  things, making it a cheap but effective little Wait... dialog.
 
  I launch it by putting together a simple Applescript command in my
 startup
  stack that tells the :Spinner application to activate. When I am done
 with
  it, I tell the app to quit. It's actually kind of nice, except that of
  course, it's an app, and they can be quit or hidden. Since the typical
 time
  I need to wait is only a few seconds, it's not a problem.
 
  If I was any good at making a Livecode external, I would try, but alas, I
  know nothing of C.
 
  Bob
 
 
  On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:59 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
 
   I would use them if they worked.   These would be awesome little
  indicator
   packages, if we don't overuse it like blinking in old web sites.
 Browsers
   seem to do this with little cpu load.
   Remember Imageready?
  
   On 14 December 2011 13:05, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
  
   Voted for it. Not too many people seem to be using this system though.
  
   Bob
  
   On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
  
   FWIW:
  
   Asynchronous GIF playback
   http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7600
  
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread Bob Sneidar
3.5 Megabytes. Very small. I will send you the stack and the standalone direct. 
The prompt is in Belgium type. I hope you have that. If not it will revert to 
default I guess. 

Bob


On Dec 14, 2011, at 3:57 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

 one way to achieve multi-tasking.   Actually brilliant. What is the size of
 that little sucker?
 
 On 14 December 2011 15:49, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
 
 Well some may have missed it, but I was saying that I created a
 standalone, and all it does is display a window that has no title bar, with
 a message and a spinning gif. I use it when I am opening an app that uses
 SQL to give the user something to look at while the connection is made and
 everything is set up. Someone who is adventurous and good at setting up
 communication between two Livecode apps could easily find a way to change
 the message and set the location you want it to show up in, among other
 things, making it a cheap but effective little Wait... dialog.
 
 I launch it by putting together a simple Applescript command in my startup
 stack that tells the :Spinner application to activate. When I am done with
 it, I tell the app to quit. It's actually kind of nice, except that of
 course, it's an app, and they can be quit or hidden. Since the typical time
 I need to wait is only a few seconds, it's not a problem.
 
 If I was any good at making a Livecode external, I would try, but alas, I
 know nothing of C.
 
 Bob
 
 
 On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:59 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
 
 I would use them if they worked.   These would be awesome little
 indicator
 packages, if we don't overuse it like blinking in old web sites. Browsers
 seem to do this with little cpu load.
 Remember Imageready?
 
 On 14 December 2011 13:05, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
 
 Voted for it. Not too many people seem to be using this system though.
 
 Bob
 
 On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 
 FWIW:
 
 Asynchronous GIF playback
 http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7600
 
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Re: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread Bob Sneidar
So anyway, this is fairly simple to implement, I have it working, but I still 
have to use an Applescript command to tell it to launch. All other interactions 
can be done using send to program and trapping the apple event using on 
appleEvent. By setting the systemWindow of the stack to true before compiling 
it, the app window will float above everything else. It's a very elegant 
solution to a sticky problem. Maybe someone at Runrev will ask me to write up 
an article about it! 

I wonder now if I can get rid of the one Application menu. I don't guess so, 
but I thought I would ask. 

Bob

On Dec 14, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

 If its apple only, can you use send to program to control your twirly
 stack? No mac here anymore so can't try it.


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RE: Independent Progress Bar

2011-12-14 Thread FlexibleLearning
If you mean an indeterminate progress indicator then yes, use an animated
gif with the judicious use of repeatCount (-1 to start and 0 to stop).

If you want a modal progress bar that works independently (as in
non-blocking) then open the modal invisible first and increment your own bar
as required.

Both will 'stall' if LC is performing a blocking and time-consuming
operation unless it is returning a trappable value (such as a 'bites
downloaded' callback) that you can use.

Hugh Senior
FLCo


Original message:

Hi all. I know this has been discussed in length in the past, but I cannot
remember what the conclusion was. Does anyone have/know about an independent
progress bar/wheel that can be used with Livecode, that will function
independently even when Livecode is running a script? I know I could kludge
it myself if I had control over the scripts I am running, but I do not.

One script is Trevor's sqlYoga which is locked, and also I am opening an SQL
database remotely, and it takes a few seconds sometimes to have that return
control. What is needed is an addon dialog created in some version of C that
we can call on to display a progress bar/spinner, but I am not sure if
anyone has made such a thing.

Seems like a really good addition to Livecode, but I don't think we are
going to see something like that soon.

Bob


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