Re: Livecode downloads VERY slow

[KOOB via use-livecode]

Sooners are people from the ‘Sooner State’ of Oklahoma.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sooners

It is also the moniker of the sports teams of the Oklahoma University

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sooners

Martin Koob

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> On Dec 22, 2021, at 4:27 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ralph,
> Obviously, I’ve lost the knack of proof-reading my emails. Must be a secret 
> feature of apple that auto-errors writing.
> 
> I meant Zoomers, of course (who are Sooners, anyway?) Actually, the 
> auto-correct tried again to make that change. Fool me once …… etc.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:20 PM, William Prothero 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ralph,
>> I’m fine with slowdowns, which seem unavoidable. Speeds at a cottage we 
>> built in the Northwest were 6Mb/sec and less, but we could stream TV in the 
>> evening, Here, in the big city (Santa Barbara獵…) it will hang for 20-30 
>> secs, then start up fast again. Too many Sooners on our node.
>> 
>> Grads, don’t we get spoiled!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:02 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded both the Mac and Win32 simultaneously via the download 
>>> page in about a minute. Using “SpeedTest”, I get 110Mb/sec.
>>> 
>>>  I remember when got our first t1(1.544mb/sec) and thought we 
>>> were styling ridiculous 
>>> 
>>> Ralph DiMola
>>> IT Director
>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of William Prothero via use-livecode
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 3:34 PM
>>> To: JJS via use-livecode
>>> Cc: William Prothero
>>> Subject: Livecode downloads VERY slow
>>> 
>>> Folks:
>>> When I download an update to Livecode, it takes hours. I’m wondering why. 
>>> Locally, using “SpeedTest”, I get 160Mb/sec internet speeds. Could it be 
>>> the livecode server that serves the updates? Just wondering.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> William Prothero
>>> waproth...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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OT Re: Livecode downloads VERY slow

[David V Glasgow via use-livecode]

> On 23 Dec 2021, at 3:39 am, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bet I got you all beat, for geezerdom.


I took the first National UK examinations in 'Computer Studies' in the early 
70s.  Part of the final exam was to read a short piece of punched tape.  With 
your eyes.

Mine said "Marilyn Monroe”

Apologies if I have previously posted this.  More than once.

Now.  What was I talking about again?
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Re: Livecode downloads VERY slow

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Back in the olden days I had a MacBook with a built-in modem, I think it 
was 1200 baud but maybe it was 14.4. We went up to the north shore of Lake 
Superior every year for a few days and back then it was about as remote as 
it gets. The cabin we stayed in had a ruidmentary phone line that went in 
and out depending on the satelite's mood and how cloudy it was, which was 
most of the time. I brought a 20 foot phone cable with me and stretched it 
from the tiny bedroom at the back, where the only phone outlet was, to the 
"living room" up front across from the wood burning stove, plugged it into 
the MacBook, and logged into AOL which was the only online service that 
hadn't yet folded at the time. A few years after that a coffee shop in the 
little town to the north got an internet connection and I gave up on the 
phone line. We drove 10 miles into town every day or so, bought a coffee 
and I logged in to get my email. (Bong bong scrch bong bong, "YOU'VE 
GOT MAIL!")


When my nephew was young he asked me why I didn't learn programming in high 
school. I told him there were no personal computers back then. The look on 
his face indicated he was surprised I hadn't yet mummified.



--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On December 22, 2021 7:15:55 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
 wrote:



OK, memory lane time.

Before we had 1200 baud modems, we used to use acoustic couplers. I
often used one to call from the main office (England) to our US office,
at a mind-blowing 300 baud.

Problem was, in those days (1978 I think), even voice transatlantic
calls were hit or miss. Often you got a undersea cable connection
(slight delay and echo, but you could have an almost normal
conversation), other times you got a satellite connection (usually
little or no echo but very high latency, making conversation frustrating).

The acoustic coupler call would fail if you got the wrong kind of
connection, so we'd usually wait until the middle for the night to make
it more likely we'd get a successful call.

Ah fond memories of the days when I could stay up till 3am and still
function the next day :-)

Alex.

On 23/12/2021 00:41, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote:

I must be in the really ancient fogey range.

I remember 1200 baud modems.  In the late ’80s a teacher at our high school 
in Wawa, Ontario got his hands on one. It was the size of an air fryer. Our 
computer club at the school hooked it up to a Commodore PET 2001 and tried 
to connect to Compuserve.  Long waits listening to modem squeals but we 
never managed to get connected then.  We were in Wawa which is on the north 
shore of Lake Superior so maybe the phone connection was not good enough.
Here is the state of the art then, 
http://www.technofileonline.com/texts/2400modem88.html 



I also remember my Apple GeoPort modem with my Mac Quadra 660AV I think.  
https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/GeoPort 


 From the above article here are GeoPort speeds.
GeoPort Telecom Adapter M1694LL/B - 14.4 kilobaud 
 (kbps)
GeoPort Telecom Adapter (II) M2117LL/A - 28.8 kilobaud 
 (kbps)
GeoPort Telecom Adapter II M5438LL/A - 33.6 kilobaud 
 (kbps)


Martin


On Dec 22, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
 wrote:


I just downloaded both the Mac and Win32 simultaneously via the download 
page in about a minute. Using “SpeedTest”, I get 110Mb/sec.


 I remember when got our first t1(1.544mb/sec) and thought we 
were styling ridiculous 


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
Of William Prothero via use-livecode

Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 3:34 PM
To: JJS via use-livecode
Cc: William Prothero
Subject: Livecode downloads VERY slow

Folks:
When I download an update to Livecode, it takes hours. I’m wondering why. 
Locally, using “SpeedTest”, I get 160Mb/sec internet speeds. Could it be 
the livecode server that serves the updates? Just wondering.


Best,
Bill

William Prothero
waproth...@gmail.com




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Re: Livecode downloads VERY slow

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

I bet I got you all beat, for geezerdom. I learned to program Fortran on punch 
cards. 3 runs a day and output was delivered by a messenger, human that is. No 
freakin’ internet for me! If I remember right, our mainframe, a CDC 3600 had 
512K of memory.

Merry Christmas, fellow Livecoders.

Bill Prothero

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> On Dec 22, 2021, at 5:14 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, memory lane time.
> 
> Before we had 1200 baud modems, we used to use acoustic couplers. I often 
> used one to call from the main office (England) to our US office, at a 
> mind-blowing 300 baud.
> 
> Problem was, in those days (1978 I think), even voice transatlantic calls 
> were hit or miss. Often you got a undersea cable connection (slight delay and 
> echo, but you could have an almost normal conversation), other times you got 
> a satellite connection (usually little or no echo but very high latency, 
> making conversation frustrating).
> 
> The acoustic coupler call would fail if you got the wrong kind of connection, 
> so we'd usually wait until the middle for the night to make it more likely 
> we'd get a successful call.
> 
> Ah fond memories of the days when I could stay up till 3am and still function 
> the next day :-)
> 
> Alex.
> 
>> On 23/12/2021 00:41, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote:
>> I must be in the really ancient fogey range.
>> 
>> I remember 1200 baud modems.  In the late ’80s a teacher at our high school 
>> in Wawa, Ontario got his hands on one. It was the size of an air fryer. Our 
>> computer club at the school hooked it up to a Commodore PET 2001 and tried 
>> to connect to Compuserve.  Long waits listening to modem squeals but we 
>> never managed to get connected then.  We were in Wawa which is on the north 
>> shore of Lake Superior so maybe the phone connection was not good enough.
>> Here is the state of the art then, 
>> http://www.technofileonline.com/texts/2400modem88.html 
>> 
>> 
>> I also remember my Apple GeoPort modem with my Mac Quadra 660AV I think.  
>> https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/GeoPort 
>> 
>> From the above article here are GeoPort speeds.
>> GeoPort Telecom Adapter M1694LL/B - 14.4 kilobaud 
>>  (kbps)
>> GeoPort Telecom Adapter (II) M2117LL/A - 28.8 kilobaud 
>>  (kbps)
>> GeoPort Telecom Adapter II M5438LL/A - 33.6 kilobaud 
>>  (kbps)
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> 
 On Dec 22, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded both the Mac and Win32 simultaneously via the download 
>>> page in about a minute. Using “SpeedTest”, I get 110Mb/sec.
>>> 
>>>  I remember when got our first t1(1.544mb/sec) and thought we 
>>> were styling ridiculous 
>>> 
>>> Ralph DiMola
>>> IT Director
>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of William Prothero via use-livecode
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 3:34 PM
>>> To: JJS via use-livecode
>>> Cc: William Prothero
>>> Subject: Livecode downloads VERY slow
>>> 
>>> Folks:
>>> When I download an update to Livecode, it takes hours. I’m wondering why. 
>>> Locally, using “SpeedTest”, I get 160Mb/sec internet speeds. Could it be 
>>> the livecode server that serves the updates? Just wondering.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> William Prothero
>>> waproth...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Livecode downloads VERY slow

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

OK, memory lane time.

Before we had 1200 baud modems, we used to use acoustic couplers. I 
often used one to call from the main office (England) to our US office, 
at a mind-blowing 300 baud.


Problem was, in those days (1978 I think), even voice transatlantic 
calls were hit or miss. Often you got a undersea cable connection 
(slight delay and echo, but you could have an almost normal 
conversation), other times you got a satellite connection (usually 
little or no echo but very high latency, making conversation frustrating).


The acoustic coupler call would fail if you got the wrong kind of 
connection, so we'd usually wait until the middle for the night to make 
it more likely we'd get a successful call.


Ah fond memories of the days when I could stay up till 3am and still 
function the next day :-)


Alex.

On 23/12/2021 00:41, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote:

I must be in the really ancient fogey range.

I remember 1200 baud modems.  In the late ’80s a teacher at our high school in 
Wawa, Ontario got his hands on one. It was the size of an air fryer. Our 
computer club at the school hooked it up to a Commodore PET 2001 and tried to 
connect to Compuserve.  Long waits listening to modem squeals but we never 
managed to get connected then.  We were in Wawa which is on the north shore of 
Lake Superior so maybe the phone connection was not good enough.
Here is the state of the art then, 
http://www.technofileonline.com/texts/2400modem88.html 


I also remember my Apple GeoPort modem with my Mac Quadra 660AV I think.  
https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/GeoPort 

 From the above article here are GeoPort speeds.
GeoPort Telecom Adapter M1694LL/B - 14.4 kilobaud 
 (kbps)
GeoPort Telecom Adapter (II) M2117LL/A - 28.8 kilobaud 
 (kbps)
GeoPort Telecom Adapter II M5438LL/A - 33.6 kilobaud 
 (kbps)

Martin



On Dec 22, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I just downloaded both the Mac and Win32 simultaneously via the download page 
in about a minute. Using “SpeedTest”, I get 110Mb/sec.

 I remember when got our first t1(1.544mb/sec) and thought we were styling 
ridiculous 

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
William Prothero via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 3:34 PM
To: JJS via use-livecode
Cc: William Prothero
Subject: Livecode downloads VERY slow

Folks:
When I download an update to Livecode, it takes hours. I’m wondering why. 
Locally, using “SpeedTest”, I get 160Mb/sec internet speeds. Could it be the 
livecode server that serves the updates? Just wondering.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
waproth...@gmail.com




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Re: Livecode downloads VERY slow

[Martin Koob via use-livecode]

I must be in the really ancient fogey range.

I remember 1200 baud modems.  In the late ’80s a teacher at our high school in 
Wawa, Ontario got his hands on one. It was the size of an air fryer. Our 
computer club at the school hooked it up to a Commodore PET 2001 and tried to 
connect to Compuserve.  Long waits listening to modem squeals but we never 
managed to get connected then.  We were in Wawa which is on the north shore of 
Lake Superior so maybe the phone connection was not good enough.
Here is the state of the art then, 
http://www.technofileonline.com/texts/2400modem88.html 


I also remember my Apple GeoPort modem with my Mac Quadra 660AV I think.  
https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/GeoPort 

From the above article here are GeoPort speeds.
GeoPort Telecom Adapter M1694LL/B - 14.4 kilobaud 
 (kbps)
GeoPort Telecom Adapter (II) M2117LL/A - 28.8 kilobaud 
 (kbps)
GeoPort Telecom Adapter II M5438LL/A - 33.6 kilobaud 
 (kbps)

Martin


> On Dec 22, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded both the Mac and Win32 simultaneously via the download page 
> in about a minute. Using “SpeedTest”, I get 110Mb/sec.
> 
>  I remember when got our first t1(1.544mb/sec) and thought we were 
> styling ridiculous 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
> Of William Prothero via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 3:34 PM
> To: JJS via use-livecode
> Cc: William Prothero
> Subject: Livecode downloads VERY slow
> 
> Folks:
> When I download an update to Livecode, it takes hours. I’m wondering why. 
> Locally, using “SpeedTest”, I get 160Mb/sec internet speeds. Could it be the 
> livecode server that serves the updates? Just wondering.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> waproth...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Livecode downloads VERY slow

[doc hawk via use-livecode]

I’ve been using “wget -c http://somewhere.com/somefile” for decades now.

Just leave it open in a terminal, and if it bombs partway through, just 
up-arrow it and run again, so that it continues from where it left off.

Dropped connections have always been a bigger issue than speed for me.


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Re: Livecode downloads VERY slow

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Ralph,
Obviously, I’ve lost the knack of proof-reading my emails. Must be a secret 
feature of apple that auto-errors writing.

I meant Zoomers, of course (who are Sooners, anyway?) Actually, the 
auto-correct tried again to make that change. Fool me once …… etc.

Best,
Bill

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:20 PM, William Prothero 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ralph,
> I’m fine with slowdowns, which seem unavoidable. Speeds at a cottage we built 
> in the Northwest were 6Mb/sec and less, but we could stream TV in the 
> evening, Here, in the big city (Santa Barbara獵…) it will hang for 20-30 secs, 
> then start up fast again. Too many Sooners on our node.
> 
> Grads, don’t we get spoiled!
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:02 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just downloaded both the Mac and Win32 simultaneously via the download 
>> page in about a minute. Using “SpeedTest”, I get 110Mb/sec.
>> 
>>  I remember when got our first t1(1.544mb/sec) and thought we 
>> were styling ridiculous 
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
>> Of William Prothero via use-livecode
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 3:34 PM
>> To: JJS via use-livecode
>> Cc: William Prothero
>> Subject: Livecode downloads VERY slow
>> 
>> Folks:
>> When I download an update to Livecode, it takes hours. I’m wondering why. 
>> Locally, using “SpeedTest”, I get 160Mb/sec internet speeds. Could it be the 
>> livecode server that serves the updates? Just wondering.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> waproth...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Livecode downloads VERY slow

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Ralph,
I’m fine with slowdowns, which seem unavoidable. Speeds at a cottage we built 
in the Northwest were 6Mb/sec and less, but we could stream TV in the evening, 
Here, in the big city (Santa Barbara獵…) it will hang for 20-30 secs, then start 
up fast again. Too many Sooners on our node.

Grads, don’t we get spoiled!

Best,
Bill

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:02 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded both the Mac and Win32 simultaneously via the download 
> page in about a minute. Using “SpeedTest”, I get 110Mb/sec.
> 
>  I remember when got our first t1(1.544mb/sec) and thought we were 
> styling ridiculous 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
> Of William Prothero via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 3:34 PM
> To: JJS via use-livecode
> Cc: William Prothero
> Subject: Livecode downloads VERY slow
> 
> Folks:
> When I download an update to Livecode, it takes hours. I’m wondering why. 
> Locally, using “SpeedTest”, I get 160Mb/sec internet speeds. Could it be the 
> livecode server that serves the updates? Just wondering.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> waproth...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
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[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I just downloaded both the Mac and Win32 simultaneously via the download page 
in about a minute. Using “SpeedTest”, I get 110Mb/sec.

 I remember when got our first t1(1.544mb/sec) and thought we were 
styling ridiculous 

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
William Prothero via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 3:34 PM
To: JJS via use-livecode
Cc: William Prothero
Subject: Livecode downloads VERY slow

Folks:
When I download an update to Livecode, it takes hours. I’m wondering why. 
Locally, using “SpeedTest”, I get 160Mb/sec internet speeds. Could it be the 
livecode server that serves the updates? Just wondering.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
waproth...@gmail.com




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Re: Livecode downloads VERY slow

[Martin Koob via use-livecode]

Hi Bill

Are you downloading directly from https://downloads.livecode.com or are you 
using the LiveCode Updater stack that pops up when ever there is a new update?

I just tried https://downloads.livecode.com  
and got the RC1 of LC 9.6.6 downloaded in less than 30 seconds or so.

I have given up on using the LiveCode Updater stack.  The download goes on 
forever and never seems to finish.

Martin

> On Dec 22, 2021, at 3:34 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> When I download an update to Livecode, it takes hours. I’m wondering why. 
> Locally, using “SpeedTest”, I get 160Mb/sec internet speeds. Could it be the 
> livecode server that serves the updates? Just wondering.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> waproth...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
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