Re: Macintosh bloat
On 8/19/18 2:26 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
I'm talking about LC 8.1.10 which gives me the choice of building a
32-bit Mac app or a 64-bit app ('experimental'):
currently, at least, I am ONLY building a 32-bit build for Mac.
I wasn't at the Mac when I wrote (I shouldn't do that) and now that I
look, LC 9 still allows either/or options as well. So, something else is
going on.
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Re: Macintosh bloat
I'm talking about LC 8.1.10 which gives me the choice of building a
32-bit Mac app or a 64-bit app ('experimental'):
currently, at least, I am ONLY building a 32-bit build for Mac.
Richmond.
On 19/8/2018 8:33 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
If I remember right, LC now always builds for 64 bit. If you also want
to support 32 bit, it adds that to the build, which approximately
doubles the size.
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On August 19, 2018 5:07:57 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
wrote:
32-bit Mac.
Richmond.
On 19/8/2018 12:15 pm, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:
Hi Richmond,
In the standalone settings, are you building for both 32-bit and
64-bit?
Peter
On Aug 19, 2018, at 1:48 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
wrote:
I ran off a series of standalones to day: Mac, Win, Linux 32 and
Linux 64 and they ended up as these sizes, respectively:
146.6 MB, 72.4 MB, 75.6 MB, 75.9 MB
Can anyone tell me why the Macintosh standalone is about twice the
size of all the others
[leaving aside remarks about the late Steve Jobs' ego, the fact
that Macintosh computers are hugely expensive and so on]?
Richmond.
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Re: Macintosh bloat
Once upon a time there was an idea floating around that the programmer could choose, via the standalone settings stack, what components to include, and what not to . . . . . . . the 'guff' for Unicode, the widget stuff, and so on. This never materialised. From my point of view, when I build standalones for my Devaweriter Pro i need 100% the Unicode stuff; beyond that I need precious few capabilities from any version after LC 4.5. [ RR/LC 4.0 mucked up on GIF and PNG images and their transparency; that was sorted out by 4.5 ] Now, as my "target demographic" (silly way of saying 'people I want to use my program') consists of people who have laptop computers made in the last 15 years (Yes, as old as that) and hard disks of over 10 GB capacity, the fact that the Mac builds of Devawriter Pro are currently coming in at 145 MB, while the Windows and Linux ones are about 75 MB is not the end of the world. What I am wondering about is whether that socking great size means that the Mac standalones contain buckets more "stuff" the operating system has to "chew its way through", so slowing the thing down. If that extra stuff which the operating system has to "chew its way through" is essential, well, so be it, but if it is stuff my program will not use then that's a load of cr*p. Richmond. On 19/8/2018 7:48 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote: i dunno if this is still an ssue..but in previous versions. the standalones were bloated because of CEF. https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20339 On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 6:06 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: 32-bit Mac. Richmond. On 19/8/2018 12:15 pm, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote: Hi Richmond, In the standalone settings, are you building for both 32-bit and 64-bit? Peter On Aug 19, 2018, at 1:48 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: I ran off a series of standalones to day: Mac, Win, Linux 32 and Linux 64 and they ended up as these sizes, respectively: 146.6 MB, 72.4 MB, 75.6 MB, 75.9 MB Can anyone tell me why the Macintosh standalone is about twice the size of all the others [leaving aside remarks about the late Steve Jobs' ego, the fact that Macintosh computers are hugely expensive and so on]? Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Macintosh bloat
If I remember right, LC now always builds for 64 bit. If you also want to support 32 bit, it adds that to the build, which approximately doubles the size. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On August 19, 2018 5:07:57 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: 32-bit Mac. Richmond. On 19/8/2018 12:15 pm, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote: Hi Richmond, In the standalone settings, are you building for both 32-bit and 64-bit? Peter On Aug 19, 2018, at 1:48 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: I ran off a series of standalones to day: Mac, Win, Linux 32 and Linux 64 and they ended up as these sizes, respectively: 146.6 MB, 72.4 MB, 75.6 MB, 75.9 MB Can anyone tell me why the Macintosh standalone is about twice the size of all the others [leaving aside remarks about the late Steve Jobs' ego, the fact that Macintosh computers are hugely expensive and so on]? Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Macintosh bloat
i dunno if this is still an ssue..but in previous versions. the standalones were bloated because of CEF. https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20339 On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 6:06 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > 32-bit Mac. > > Richmond. > > > On 19/8/2018 12:15 pm, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote: > >> Hi Richmond, >> >> In the standalone settings, are you building for both 32-bit and 64-bit? >> >> Peter >> >> >> On Aug 19, 2018, at 1:48 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> I ran off a series of standalones to day: Mac, Win, Linux 32 and Linux >>> 64 and they ended up as these sizes, respectively: >>> >>> 146.6 MB, 72.4 MB, 75.6 MB, 75.9 MB >>> >>> Can anyone tell me why the Macintosh standalone is about twice the size >>> of all the others >>> [leaving aside remarks about the late Steve Jobs' ego, the fact that >>> Macintosh computers are hugely expensive and so on]? >>> >>> Richmond. >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Macintosh bloat
32-bit Mac. Richmond. On 19/8/2018 12:15 pm, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote: Hi Richmond, In the standalone settings, are you building for both 32-bit and 64-bit? Peter On Aug 19, 2018, at 1:48 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: I ran off a series of standalones to day: Mac, Win, Linux 32 and Linux 64 and they ended up as these sizes, respectively: 146.6 MB, 72.4 MB, 75.6 MB, 75.9 MB Can anyone tell me why the Macintosh standalone is about twice the size of all the others [leaving aside remarks about the late Steve Jobs' ego, the fact that Macintosh computers are hugely expensive and so on]? Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Macintosh bloat
Hi Richmond, In the standalone settings, are you building for both 32-bit and 64-bit? Peter > On Aug 19, 2018, at 1:48 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode > wrote: > > I ran off a series of standalones to day: Mac, Win, Linux 32 and Linux 64 and > they ended up as these sizes, respectively: > > 146.6 MB, 72.4 MB, 75.6 MB, 75.9 MB > > Can anyone tell me why the Macintosh standalone is about twice the size of > all the others > [leaving aside remarks about the late Steve Jobs' ego, the fact that > Macintosh computers are hugely expensive and so on]? > > Richmond. > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
