Re: More about audio-video
On Jan 23, 2013 12:07 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 1/22/13 10:56 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 1/22/13 9:46 PM, Roger Eller wrote: I think MPEG1 2, as well as AVI. It can't just be MPEG1 and 2, can it? Never mind, I see that's exactly what you meant. MPEG 1 and 2 and AVI. That's pretty bad. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay I don't blame Microsoft though. These were the formats of that time. I believe MetaCard could play them. RunRev has dropped the ball with desktop parity long ago. Of course Linux has fallen farthest behind, requiring Xanim to play the old formats. ~Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: More about audio-video
I think poor Jacque is in one of those situations where the requirements for her project are self contradictory. An extreme example might be if someone wanted me to write a game that was completely portable, and required advanced 3D graphics capabilities, but had to work without requiring the use of a 3D graphics card. I would have to find a polite way to say, You people are out of your minds. To say it needs to be portable, play audio and video, and you cannot require the installation of any software is perhaps a bridge to far. Does any other development environment have the capability to natively embed audio and video codecs in a portable app and use them even if they are not installed in a system? I think this is a limitation of making something portable, and not a deficiency of LC proper. my 2 ¢. Bob On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:37 AM, Roger Eller wrote: On Jan 23, 2013 12:07 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 1/22/13 10:56 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 1/22/13 9:46 PM, Roger Eller wrote: I think MPEG1 2, as well as AVI. It can't just be MPEG1 and 2, can it? Never mind, I see that's exactly what you meant. MPEG 1 and 2 and AVI. That's pretty bad. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay I don't blame Microsoft though. These were the formats of that time. I believe MetaCard could play them. RunRev has dropped the ball with desktop parity long ago. Of course Linux has fallen farthest behind, requiring Xanim to play the old formats. ~Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 1/23/13 3:31 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: To say it needs to be portable, play audio and video, and you cannot require the installation of any software is perhaps a bridge to far. Given the nature of the software though, the requirement is legitimate. Does any other development environment have the capability to natively embed audio and video codecs in a portable app and use them even if they are not installed in a system? Actually, Alejandro suggested a clever app that can embed QT (or other things) into your software, but I'm hesitant to use a solution that I have no control over. Since the client will be creating the video, my current thinking is to create two versions, one in WMP native format and another in QT format. The software will download the right one according to platform. That seems the simplest way. The player object works on Windows with movies in WMP format, though there are some bugs that need to be fixed regarding scripted playback. I got excited yesterday when I found that my Mac could also play WMP movies, until I remembered I had Flip4Mac installed. It was a short-lived high. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: More about audio-video
J. Landman Gay wrote Since the client will be creating the video, my current thinking is to create two versions, one in WMP native format and another in QT format. The software will download the right one according to platform. That seems the simplest way. The player object works on Windows with movies in WMP format, though there are some bugs that need to be fixed regarding scripted playback. This is the conclusion I came to for my flash drive stored apps. MPEG2 was the most modern cross platform CODEC. Which you still might consider if it's for your flash drive project as people tend to walk around with the drive and just plug it in anywhere. Yes, I know the quality is not that great compared to modern CODECs, but it's a balance with portability. Our high end luxury goods clients decided to force download of both WMP and QT in the end. Simon -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/More-about-audio-video-tp4659056p4659424.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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That might be an option. Tell them, I can do this, but if you want the best quality, then I need to ensure that certain codecs are installed. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On Jan 23, 2013, at 14:44, As_Simon si...@asato-media.com wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote Since the client will be creating the video, my current thinking is to create two versions, one in WMP native format and another in QT format. The software will download the right one according to platform. That seems the simplest way. The player object works on Windows with movies in WMP format, though there are some bugs that need to be fixed regarding scripted playback. This is the conclusion I came to for my flash drive stored apps. MPEG2 was the most modern cross platform CODEC. Which you still might consider if it's for your flash drive project as people tend to walk around with the drive and just plug it in anywhere. Yes, I know the quality is not that great compared to modern CODECs, but it's a balance with portability. Our high end luxury goods clients decided to force download of both WMP and QT in the end. Simon -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/More-about-audio-video-tp4659056p4659424.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: More about audio-video
On 1/23/13 4:44 PM, As_Simon wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote Since the client will be creating the video, my current thinking is to create two versions, one in WMP native format and another in QT format. The software will download the right one according to platform. That seems the simplest way. The player object works on Windows with movies in WMP format, though there are some bugs that need to be fixed regarding scripted playback. This is the conclusion I came to for my flash drive stored apps. MPEG2 was the most modern cross platform CODEC. Which you still might consider if it's for your flash drive project as people tend to walk around with the drive and just plug it in anywhere. Yup, flash drive, and that's exactly what will happen. Who knows what computer they'll be on. I'll ask about MPEG2 though in case the client is willing to compromise a little. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I'm still not sure which video formats are supported in LiveCode on Windows machines that don't have QuickTime. Does anyone have a list? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: More about audio-video
I think MPEG1 2, as well as AVI. If playing externally, Microsoft has a list. I would hope that most people have moved past Win95 to Win2k. Assuming a minimum of XP, here's what should work without installing additional software: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899113 If you install VLC, you can play anything. ~Roger Sent from my Pipo M2 On Jan 22, 2013 10:22 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: I'm still not sure which video formats are supported in LiveCode on Windows machines that don't have QuickTime. Does anyone have a list? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: More about audio-video
On 1/22/13 9:46 PM, Roger Eller wrote: I think MPEG1 2, as well as AVI. If playing externally, Microsoft has a list. I would hope that most people have moved past Win95 to Win2k. Assuming a minimum of XP, here's what should work without installing additional software: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899113 Thanks. That lists a bunch of MPEG 4 codecs, but mp4 won't play in a player object in LiveCode. Does anyone know which ones will? It can't just be MPEG1 and 2, can it? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: More about audio-video
On 1/22/13 10:56 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 1/22/13 9:46 PM, Roger Eller wrote: I think MPEG1 2, as well as AVI. If playing externally, Microsoft has a list. I would hope that most people have moved past Win95 to Win2k. Assuming a minimum of XP, here's what should work without installing additional software: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899113 Thanks. That lists a bunch of MPEG 4 codecs, but mp4 won't play in a player object in LiveCode. Does anyone know which ones will? It can't just be MPEG1 and 2, can it? Never mind, I see that's exactly what you meant. MPEG 1 and 2 and AVI. That's pretty bad. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: More about audio-video
That list continues to support what I've argued, in that they don't list MPEG-2 as a built in codec. For what it's worth, WMV 9 is a decent codec. On Jan 22, 2013, at 10:46 PM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: I think MPEG1 2, as well as AVI. If playing externally, Microsoft has a list. I would hope that most people have moved past Win95 to Win2k. Assuming a minimum of XP, here's what should work without installing additional software: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899113 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi friends, Am 18.01.2013 um 21:51 schrieb Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com: Hi Stephen, Stephen Barncard-4 wrote VLC is also apple-scriptable. Some months ago, Klaus Major posted a message asking for developers interested in a VLC dll for LiveCode. What happened with this DLL? Klaus? sorry, no news so far... ... Al Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Klaus, Klaus on-rev wrote Hi friends, What happened with this VLC DLL? Klaus? sorry, no news so far... Best, Klaus Well... VLC changed it's licensing to make possible that commercial applications, like LiveCode, contribute to the project... This change was motivated to match the evolution of the video industry and to spread the VLC engine as a multi-platform open-source multimedia engine and library. But there is a more important concern... Was this matter with Tuviah Snyder solved in the correct way? http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/My-poll-for-externals-the-quot-punchline-quot-td4656532.html Have a nice weekend! Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/More-about-audio-video-tp4659056p4659181.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: More about audio-video
Really? My mistake then I as under the impression that this was included in all operating systems because they will need to play DVD ROM's. Bob On Jan 17, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: MPEG-2 isn't really an option. Only systems that have DVD-ROMs, and DVD-Video playing software, would be able to play MPEG-2. In the Windows world it's not unusual for people to find illegal ways around that, and on Mac you have the option of buying the $20 MPEG-2 playback component, but overall I don't think you can assume that MPEG-2 will be available. On Jan 17, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Pierre Sahores s...@sahores-conseil.com wrote: I'm not so sure as Bob is about mp2 indeed : lowest compression than mp4 and its useful H264 declinaison. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Phil, I use ffmpeg too and I found a GUI interface to it - ffmpegx, available at http://www.ffmpegx.com/ Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: One tool l I have found to be almost magical in its media conversion capabilities is ffmpeg. It's open source, cross-platform, command-line only, but is used as the engine in a number of commercial apps. Also, it has a serious learning curve. But a good tool if it's what you need. We use it in my client's system to convert Mac videos (.mov) to .wmv and also to web-friendly formats. Phil Davis On 1/17/13 8:05 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Good to know too. Thanks ! Le 18 janv. 2013 à 04:53, stephen barncard a écrit : Vimeo, than to depend on one's own servers. $60/year buys up to 5 gigs of video a month. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Righto. That's one of the commercial apps that uses it. p On 1/18/13 11:05 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: Hi Phil, I use ffmpeg too and I found a GUI interface to it - ffmpegx, available at http://www.ffmpegx.com/ Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: One tool l I have found to be almost magical in its media conversion capabilities is ffmpeg. It's open source, cross-platform, command-line only, but is used as the engine in a number of commercial apps. Also, it has a serious learning curve. But a good tool if it's what you need. We use it in my client's system to convert Mac videos (.mov) to .wmv and also to web-friendly formats. Phil Davis On 1/17/13 8:05 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Good to know too. Thanks ! Le 18 janv. 2013 à 04:53, stephen barncard a écrit : Vimeo, than to depend on one's own servers. $60/year buys up to 5 gigs of video a month. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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MPEG-2 isn't needed to use DVD-ROMs. It is needed to play DVD-Video. The license for MPEG-2 is covered in the cost of the software that you buy for playing DVDs. You may well get bundled software, and so the cost is hidden from you. I think that each way of playing back DVD-Video will have its own license fee, so even though you paid for MPEG-2 to use DVD Player on a Mac, you still have to pay the $20 to be able to play MPEG-2 in other applications. If you look at MPEG Streamclip as an example application for processing MPEG-2, it just will not work unless you have bought the MPEG-2 Playback Component, because they have complied with the license rules. On Jan 18, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Robert Sneidar slylab...@me.com wrote: Really? My mistake then I as under the impression that this was included in all operating systems because they will need to play DVD ROM's. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: More about audio-video
Hi Stephen, Stephen Barncard-4 wrote VLC is also apple-scriptable. Some months ago, Klaus Major posted a message asking for developers interested in a VLC dll for LiveCode. What happened with this DLL? Klaus? I have used VLC from the command line from LiveCode, showing a borderless video window floating above a fullscreen stack. It looks... different, but that was the way in which video was played in many old multimedia apps. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/More-about-audio-video-tp4659056p4659139.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Jacque, J. Landman Gay wrote I've been testing in Windows 7 without QuickTime installed to see how video and audio files work in a player object. [snip] I need a video format that will play in Windows without QT. Which of the many others should I look at? Could you try virtualizing your application with Quicktime embedded? Check this thread: Running LiveCode and Quicktime as virtual applications https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/runrev/3LASEKJdhMQ/jt1OABZmwnMJ I am not sure if virtualized applications could run in every operating system, or if you need to create a different one for Windows XP, Vista, 7 and Aero... Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/More-about-audio-video-tp4659056p4659141.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 1/18/13 2:57 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi Jacque, J. Landman Gay wrote I've been testing in Windows 7 without QuickTime installed to see how video and audio files work in a player object. [snip] I need a video format that will play in Windows without QT. Which of the many others should I look at? Could you try virtualizing your application with Quicktime embedded? Check this thread: Running LiveCode and Quicktime as virtual applications https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/runrev/3LASEKJdhMQ/jt1OABZmwnMJ Thanks, I'll ask my client about it. Right now I'm collecting all the responses here so I can talk to them. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Right. But wasn't the question about being able to play audio and video cross platform without having to make the user install anything? Also, I have played ripped DVD content off my hard drive, and the format of the ripped video is MPEG2, so strictly speaking, you don't *have* to play MPEG2 off a DVD. That just happens to be the format DVD's use. Some older cameras record in MPEG2 format. I was able to play these in Quicktime, which was bundled with OS X, and I think some kind of video player must be bundled with PC's, although I have in the past gotten a DVD Player app that came with the PC that I had to install in order to play DVD's. Bob On Jan 18, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: MPEG-2 isn't needed to use DVD-ROMs. It is needed to play DVD-Video. The license for MPEG-2 is covered in the cost of the software that you buy for playing DVDs. You may well get bundled software, and so the cost is hidden from you. I think that each way of playing back DVD-Video will have its own license fee, so even though you paid for MPEG-2 to use DVD Player on a Mac, you still have to pay the $20 to be able to play MPEG-2 in other applications. If you look at MPEG Streamclip as an example application for processing MPEG-2, it just will not work unless you have bought the MPEG-2 Playback Component, because they have complied with the license rules. On Jan 18, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Robert Sneidar slylab...@me.com wrote: Really? My mistake then I as under the impression that this was included in all operating systems because they will need to play DVD ROM's. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Yes, exactly. Anyone who doesn't have a DVD-ROM drive and bundled DVD-Video software, or gone to the trouble of installing MPEG-2 playback by some other means, would end up having to install something. QuickTime is probably the easiest thing to require, because of the millions of users who have iTunes installed, all of them have QuickTime already. Other tools are able to play video files without an extra install, Director and Flash for example can both natively play H.264, without requiring QuickTime or any other system software to be installed. Maybe LiveCode will one day too. For now, as I mentioned, you can play a Flash swf in a revBrowser, and that can play HD H.264 files for you. But I suspect that doing random access of the video won't be as easy as it is in Director or Flash. On Jan 18, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Robert Sneidar slylab...@me.com wrote: Right. But wasn't the question about being able to play audio and video cross platform without having to make the user install anything? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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J. Landman Gay wrote Thanks, I'll ask my client about it. Right now I'm collecting all the responses here so I can talk to them. In this website, you could find Cameyo, a free app for virtualising applications: http://www.cameyo.com/ The virtual app that I build, using StackRunner and Quicktime Lite worked really well in every machine of the Computer Lab where I tested them. Just notice that these were relatively new computers with an updated and really clean Windows OS (They used a software that restores the system to original condition after every reboot). Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/More-about-audio-video-tp4659056p4659157.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Jacqueline If you don't need streaming you could try MPEG-1 video files. When compressed properly they are relatively good quality, just a bit bigger filesize-wise compared to MPEG-4. regards alex On 18/01/13 8:58 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I've been testing in Windows 7 without QuickTime installed to see how video and audio files work in a player object. Some formats that work fine in WMP will not work in LiveCode. The same files that fail in LiveCode also fail in the preview panel in Explorer. But they do work in WMP itself. I didn't test all types, just what I had on my drive. These work fine in LiveCode: .wmp .mp3 .avi -- doesn't really work; audio only, very poor quality These do not work at all in a player (or in the preview panel in Explorer.) They simply do not load: .mp4 .mov In the Media Player app itself, all the above formats play perfectly. I did not need to download any extra codecs, not even for .mov files. For the two that work in LiveCode, all player-related functions seemed to be okay. I could start, stop, get the duration, get/set the currentTime, etc. I didn't test any messaging, like callbacks. I need a video format that will play in Windows without QT. Which of the many others should I look at? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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J. Landman Gay jacque@... writes: In the Media Player app itself, all the above formats play perfectly. I did not need to download any extra codecs, not even for .mov files. It gets worse. You can't rely on just the file extension. The other day I pulled down a GoToMeeting archive as a .wmv file and VLC, my go-to media player, wouldn't play it. Launched it in the Dreaded Windows Media Player and it played just fine. The .wmv file was encoded in a format I've never heard of before (Gsomething24, if I remember correctly), and it seems that only the DWMP has the decoder built in. -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 1/17/13 5:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: J. Landman Gay jacque@... writes: In the Media Player app itself, all the above formats play perfectly. I did not need to download any extra codecs, not even for .mov files. It gets worse. You can't rely on just the file extension. The other day I pulled down a GoToMeeting archive as a .wmv file and VLC, my go-to media player, wouldn't play it. Launched it in the Dreaded Windows Media Player and it played just fine. The .wmv file was encoded in a format I've never heard of before (Gsomething24, if I remember correctly), and it seems that only the DWMP has the decoder built in. Decoders are part of apps and not the OS? At least in my case, the videos will be known in advance and have the right extensions. I guess that doesn't mean today's test videos did though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 1/17/13 5:08 PM, Alex Shaw wrote: Hi Jacqueline If you don't need streaming you could try MPEG-1 video files. I don't know if we'll need streaming yet, so I'll keep this in mind. I didn't test MPEG-1 files yet, so we'll see. Maybe it's moot. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hush! You are not implying Microsoft would develop a proprietary codec that only their player could use?? What self respecting corporation would even think of such a thing??? Bob On Jan 17, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: J. Landman Gay jacque@... writes: In the Media Player app itself, all the above formats play perfectly. I did not need to download any extra codecs, not even for .mov files. It gets worse. You can't rely on just the file extension. The other day I pulled down a GoToMeeting archive as a .wmv file and VLC, my go-to media player, wouldn't play it. Launched it in the Dreaded Windows Media Player and it played just fine. The .wmv file was encoded in a format I've never heard of before (Gsomething24, if I remember correctly), and it seems that only the DWMP has the decoder built in. -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Do you mean Codecs? To answer your question, yes and no. If you never use WMP, you will probably not have a lot of codecs it supports. Even if you do, you may not have all of them. While the audio codec would probably be installed as a dll in Windows somewhere, and so be an OS function, some app probably put it there. Try playing a wmv file on OS X. You will need Flip4Mac. Once you install it, anything needing to play WMV files will have access to the codec. So the correct answer I suppose is, yes, no. Bob On Jan 17, 2013, at 3:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Decoders are part of apps and not the OS? At least in my case, the videos will be known in advance and have the right extensions. I guess that doesn't mean today's test videos did though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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It's been a long time since I dealt with this, but last I checked, MPEG1 and maybe MPEG2 worked cross platform. As Mark said, file extension doesn't always correspond with the encoding of a video file. If you have control over the format of the videos to played, then you should have no trouble. But if you have to be able to playback media any from any source, you may need a more robust solution than what LiveCode offers. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 1/17/13 2:58 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: I've been testing in Windows 7 without QuickTime installed to see how video and audio files work in a player object. Some formats that work fine in WMP will not work in LiveCode. The same files that fail in LiveCode also fail in the preview panel in Explorer. But they do work in WMP itself. I didn't test all types, just what I had on my drive. These work fine in LiveCode: .wmp .mp3 .avi -- doesn't really work; audio only, very poor quality These do not work at all in a player (or in the preview panel in Explorer.) They simply do not load: .mp4 .mov In the Media Player app itself, all the above formats play perfectly. I did not need to download any extra codecs, not even for .mov files. For the two that work in LiveCode, all player-related functions seemed to be okay. I could start, stop, get the duration, get/set the currentTime, etc. I didn't test any messaging, like callbacks. I need a video format that will play in Windows without QT. Which of the many others should I look at? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Jacque, The best is always to test different outputs formats in using MPEGStreamclip (- Windows formats), Handbrake (MacOS X / Linux formats), QT7 Pro (see export features) and QT 10 (m4v outputs). MPEG1 and MPEG2 are mainly reserved to TV broadband outputs, not featured as web dedicated. Sure you will find your way ;-) Best, Pierre Le 18 janv. 2013 à 00:08, Alex Shaw a écrit : Hi Jacqueline If you don't need streaming you could try MPEG-1 video files. When compressed properly they are relatively good quality, just a bit bigger filesize-wise compared to MPEG-4. regards alex On 18/01/13 8:58 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I've been testing in Windows 7 without QuickTime installed to see how video and audio files work in a player object. Some formats that work fine in WMP will not work in LiveCode. The same files that fail in LiveCode also fail in the preview panel in Explorer. But they do work in WMP itself. I didn't test all types, just what I had on my drive. These work fine in LiveCode: .wmp .mp3 .avi -- doesn't really work; audio only, very poor quality These do not work at all in a player (or in the preview panel in Explorer.) They simply do not load: .mp4 .mov In the Media Player app itself, all the above formats play perfectly. I did not need to download any extra codecs, not even for .mov files. For the two that work in LiveCode, all player-related functions seemed to be okay. I could start, stop, get the duration, get/set the currentTime, etc. I didn't test any messaging, like callbacks. I need a video format that will play in Windows without QT. Which of the many others should I look at? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Thanks for all the responses. The audio/video files will be prepared by my client and served over the internet to customers. We have control over the format, the names, whatever is needed. The catch is that the people who will be viewing the media can be on any computer, often one they don't own (i.e., student labs, coffeeshops, their neighbors, etc.) and we can't require any software installation. The app itself will almost always be on a thumb drive. No software installs means the media can't require QT, any special codecs, etc. Whatever is the lowest common denominator is what we have to use. For Macs I can depend on QT but for Windows users I can't. If the decompressor or codec can be shipped with the app then that may be something we could do. But I always thought codecs were installed into the OS, and we can't do that. I'm pretty sure my client, who is an audiophile, wouldn't be happy with MPEG-1. So I'm open to suggestions. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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If need be, can you use something other than LiveCode to solve the problem? A Flash projector ought to be able to work, and doesn't rely on any system software to be able to play H.264 video, along with high quality AAC audio. Or, if you can require that the system has Flash Player (which most systems do) you could use a rev browser to play a swf in LiveCode. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Lowest common denominator then. For audio, use mp3. For video, mpeg2. Just about every modern os supports those 2 out of the box. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 18:38, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Thanks for all the responses. The audio/video files will be prepared by my client and served over the internet to customers. We have control over the format, the names, whatever is needed. The catch is that the people who will be viewing the media can be on any computer, often one they don't own (i.e., student labs, coffeeshops, their neighbors, etc.) and we can't require any software installation. The app itself will almost always be on a thumb drive. No software installs means the media can't require QT, any special codecs, etc. Whatever is the lowest common denominator is what we have to use. For Macs I can depend on QT but for Windows users I can't. If the decompressor or codec can be shipped with the app then that may be something we could do. But I always thought codecs were installed into the OS, and we can't do that. I'm pretty sure my client, who is an audiophile, wouldn't be happy with MPEG-1. So I'm open to suggestions. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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J. There's one open source app that might be ripe for imbedding: VLC http://www.videolan.org/vlc/index.html cross-platform, the source is available, and if one can open a window from the command line This idea was inspired a little mac app called NICECAST. A beautiful mac front end with an ICECAST server inside. I checked out the app bundle, and sure enough, there was a folder with the ICECAST code in there. If it has the right hooks, VLC could be the basis for a library. If this has been tried before, I apologize. sqb On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Thanks for all the responses. The audio/video files will be prepared by my client and served over the internet to customers. We have control over the format, the names, whatever is needed. The catch is that the people who will be viewing the media can be on any computer, often one they don't own (i.e., student labs, coffeeshops, their neighbors, etc.) and we can't require any software installation. The app itself will almost always be on a thumb drive. No software installs means the media can't require QT, any special codecs, etc. Whatever is the lowest common denominator is what we have to use. For Macs I can depend on QT but for Windows users I can't. If the decompressor or codec can be shipped with the app then that may be something we could do. But I always thought codecs were installed into the OS, and we can't do that. I'm pretty sure my client, who is an audiophile, wouldn't be happy with MPEG-1. So I'm open to suggestions. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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As an example, avi encodes mp4. Just to point out that codecs and the ways video contents are encoded are always two distinct things. If you can use a javascript to test the end user installed OS, you will get way to serve the adapted video format for each different target. Not a painless configuration to set up but it will work as expected against any client-side config. If the medias have mainly to be online streamed, Darwin Streaming Server (free version of Quicktime Streaming Server) will always provide best results, fluidity and multi-platform availability (RTSP) than Apache (HTTP). I used it to serve live conferences and VOD contents for the Sorbonne University (2005/2008) via the Renater 3 french universities network with 100% of reachability on Mac and Windows clients (both web pages and Rev standalones clients). The Darwin Streaming Server runs as well under MacOS X than under Linux. Lots easiest to configure than Red5 Media Server witch can, for its own, embed the same codecs as DSS with the ability to serves them as flash contents. We always need to get in mind that video streaming is a very big bandwidth consumer + lots of RAM + fast hard drives needed on the server side. In some cases, YouTube hosting can really become the best maxi-min way to go. Le 18 janv. 2013 à 03:38, J. Landman Gay a écrit : Thanks for all the responses. The audio/video files will be prepared by my client and served over the internet to customers. We have control over the format, the names, whatever is needed. The catch is that the people who will be viewing the media can be on any computer, often one they don't own (i.e., student labs, coffeeshops, their neighbors, etc.) and we can't require any software installation. The app itself will almost always be on a thumb drive. No software installs means the media can't require QT, any special codecs, etc. Whatever is the lowest common denominator is what we have to use. For Macs I can depend on QT but for Windows users I can't. If the decompressor or codec can be shipped with the app then that may be something we could do. But I always thought codecs were installed into the OS, and we can't do that. I'm pretty sure my client, who is an audiophile, wouldn't be happy with MPEG-1. So I'm open to suggestions. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Just follow Bob on this : about audio, don't search any best way than mp3. Will works as expected against any end-user target. I'm not so sure as Bob is about mp2 indeed : lowest compression than mp4 and its useful H264 declinaison. Le 18 janv. 2013 à 03:52, Robert Sneidar a écrit : Lowest common denominator then. For audio, use mp3. For video, mpeg2. Just about every modern os supports those 2 out of the box. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 18:38, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Thanks for all the responses. The audio/video files will be prepared by my client and served over the internet to customers. We have control over the format, the names, whatever is needed. The catch is that the people who will be viewing the media can be on any computer, often one they don't own (i.e., student labs, coffeeshops, their neighbors, etc.) and we can't require any software installation. The app itself will almost always be on a thumb drive. No software installs means the media can't require QT, any special codecs, etc. Whatever is the lowest common denominator is what we have to use. For Macs I can depend on QT but for Windows users I can't. If the decompressor or codec can be shipped with the app then that may be something we could do. But I always thought codecs were installed into the OS, and we can't do that. I'm pretty sure my client, who is an audiophile, wouldn't be happy with MPEG-1. So I'm open to suggestions. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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As far as serving video, my experiments have shown that it is often better to use a service that does it for a living, like Vimeo, than to depend on one's own servers. $60/year buys up to 5 gigs of video a month. Far better than youtoob. And if one ends up using a browser for displaying video content, then I've found the JW Player at Longtail to be the the best imbedded player available today. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Pierre Sahores s...@sahores-conseil.comwrote: Just follow Bob on this : about audio, don't search any best way than mp3. Will works as expected against any end-user target. I'm not so sure as Bob is about mp2 indeed : lowest compression than mp4 and its useful H264 declinaison. Le 18 janv. 2013 à 03:52, Robert Sneidar a écrit : Lowest common denominator then. For audio, use mp3. For video, mpeg2. Just about every modern os supports those 2 out of the box. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 18:38, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Thanks for all the responses. The audio/video files will be prepared by my client and served over the internet to customers. We have control over the format, the names, whatever is needed. The catch is that the people who will be viewing the media can be on any computer, often one they don't own (i.e., student labs, coffeeshops, their neighbors, etc.) and we can't require any software installation. The app itself will almost always be on a thumb drive. No software installs means the media can't require QT, any special codecs, etc. Whatever is the lowest common denominator is what we have to use. For Macs I can depend on QT but for Windows users I can't. If the decompressor or codec can be shipped with the app then that may be something we could do. But I always thought codecs were installed into the OS, and we can't do that. I'm pretty sure my client, who is an audiophile, wouldn't be happy with MPEG-1. So I'm open to suggestions. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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MPEG-2 isn't really an option. Only systems that have DVD-ROMs, and DVD-Video playing software, would be able to play MPEG-2. In the Windows world it's not unusual for people to find illegal ways around that, and on Mac you have the option of buying the $20 MPEG-2 playback component, but overall I don't think you can assume that MPEG-2 will be available. On Jan 17, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Pierre Sahores s...@sahores-conseil.com wrote: I'm not so sure as Bob is about mp2 indeed : lowest compression than mp4 and its useful H264 declinaison. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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VLC is also apple-scriptable. Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Good to know too. Thanks ! Le 18 janv. 2013 à 04:53, stephen barncard a écrit : Vimeo, than to depend on one's own servers. $60/year buys up to 5 gigs of video a month. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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One tool l I have found to be almost magical in its media conversion capabilities is ffmpeg. It's open source, cross-platform, command-line only, but is used as the engine in a number of commercial apps. Also, it has a serious learning curve. But a good tool if it's what you need. We use it in my client's system to convert Mac videos (.mov) to .wmv and also to web-friendly formats. Phil Davis On 1/17/13 8:05 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Good to know too. Thanks ! Le 18 janv. 2013 à 04:53, stephen barncard a écrit : Vimeo, than to depend on one's own servers. $60/year buys up to 5 gigs of video a month. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
