Re: Sharing widgets (was Re: Type on an angle)

[Kevin Miller]

As it happens we¹ve been talking about that very issue internally today
within our marketing team. This is a key priority for us, it has taken us
longer than we would have liked but it needs to be moved up the queue and
we will be doing that. I¹ll post something concrete on this next week. We
did start a sharing solution, its not quite ready to launch yet.

In the mean time, you can use the forum here as a stopgap
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=28020

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps




On 22/11/2016, 16:03, "use-livecode on behalf of Paul Dupuis"

wrote:

>Could someone from the Mothership (i.e. LiveCode) weigh in on where
>people should publish LCB widgets?
>
>If Kevin really wants a 1000 widgets, then LiveCode really should
>designate an "official" place to put them or at least put links to them
>(if not the actual widgets themselves). As has been illustrated in this
>thread, some people want to host their widgets themselves and other want
>a place to upload them to, so both should be supported.
>
>I have no preference for whether this is a board on the Forum or the
>Sample Stacks or a web based repository or where ever, but before lots
>of widgets organically get deposited all over everywhere, where would
>LiveCode like them placed?
>
>
>
>
>On 11/22/2016 10:04 AM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>> Done with number 50. Thanks for the link.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:38 PM, hh  wrote:
>> zyrip wrote: Where can I share it?
> Ben wrote: What is a good answer to zryip's question below,
> where should interesting third-party widgets be shared?
 Andy wrote: The widget could be uploaded as a zip to the
 Sample Stacks. There are a couple there already.
>>> If you mean snippets or widgets for the community, then
>>> you could write a post here (please number it as I did,
>>> so it's **easier to refer** to it):
>>>
>>> Community Snippets:
>>>http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=28225
>>> Community Widgets:
>>>http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=28020
>>>
>>> If the zip is less than 256 KByte you can also upload it to
>>> the forum.
>>> In "Sample Stacks"/livecodeshare there is currently one single
>>> _LCB widget_ (there are more LCS groups, also called 'widgets').
>>>
>>> This is my proposal:
>>> No matter where you upload it if not the forum: Please number the
>>> widget/snippet in a forum post in Community Widgets/Snippets and
>>> link there to the download location.
>>>
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Re: Sharing widgets (was Re: Type on an angle)

[Peter TB Brett]

On 22/11/2016 16:03, Paul Dupuis wrote:

Could someone from the Mothership (i.e. LiveCode) weigh in on where
people should publish LCB widgets?

If Kevin really wants a 1000 widgets, then LiveCode really should
designate an "official" place to put them or at least put links to them
(if not the actual widgets themselves). As has been illustrated in this
thread, some people want to host their widgets themselves and other want
a place to upload them to, so both should be supported.

I have no preference for whether this is a board on the Forum or the
Sample Stacks or a web based repository or where ever, but before lots
of widgets organically get deposited all over everywhere, where would
LiveCode like them placed?


Hi Paul,

For LiveCode 8, the original intention was that there would be an 
"extension store" area on the main website.  The idea was that it would 
provide a searchable index of LiveCode Builder extensions, with 
associated documentation, guides, examples, etc.  The IDE would know how 
to hook into the extension store.  It would take care of downloading and 
updating extensions for use in your apps, as well as publishing the 
extensions that you create.


Unfortunately, this ran into a few problems, and around November 2015 
the decision was made to drop the extension store feature from the 
LiveCode 8 release and focus on the other elements.  There were quite a 
few other things that didn't make the cut; for example, LiveCode 8.0 was 
originally planned to include the Objective C and Java FFI elements that 
we're currently working on in the Infinite LiveCode project.


At the moment, unfortunately, we don't have any concrete plans or 
timescale for resuming the extension store project -- which I think 
would deliver what several people are asking for.  Maybe there's an 
opening here for someone to deliver a "LiveCode extensions hub" website 
of their own?


If you're developing an open source widget or library, I personally 
would recommend creating a git repository for each extension you create 
-- not necessarily on GitHub, but anywhere that suits -- and storing 
your widget's files in it with roughly the same layout we use for the 
widgets we ship in LiveCode.  You could then start a thread about your 
widget on the LCB forum, or maybe post release announcements on this 
mailing list.


It would be very easy for people to install the widget, because most of 
the git hosting sites let you just download a zip of the files in the 
repository.  Unzip them, open the .lcb file in the extension builder, 
hit 'Package' and 'Install' -- done.


I don't think there's any official "best way to distribute widgets" 
guideline from LiveCode-the-company right now.  For myself, I'm enjoying 
seeing the various approaches that people are taking, and seeing what 
works and what doesn't.


Peter

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Re: Sharing widgets (was Re: Type on an angle)

[Paul Dupuis]

Could someone from the Mothership (i.e. LiveCode) weigh in on where
people should publish LCB widgets?

If Kevin really wants a 1000 widgets, then LiveCode really should
designate an "official" place to put them or at least put links to them
(if not the actual widgets themselves). As has been illustrated in this
thread, some people want to host their widgets themselves and other want
a place to upload them to, so both should be supported.

I have no preference for whether this is a board on the Forum or the
Sample Stacks or a web based repository or where ever, but before lots
of widgets organically get deposited all over everywhere, where would
LiveCode like them placed?




On 11/22/2016 10:04 AM, zryip theSlug wrote:
> Done with number 50. Thanks for the link.
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:38 PM, hh  wrote:
> zyrip wrote: Where can I share it?
 Ben wrote: What is a good answer to zryip's question below,
 where should interesting third-party widgets be shared?
>>> Andy wrote: The widget could be uploaded as a zip to the
>>> Sample Stacks. There are a couple there already.
>> If you mean snippets or widgets for the community, then
>> you could write a post here (please number it as I did,
>> so it's **easier to refer** to it):
>>
>> Community Snippets:
>>http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=28225
>> Community Widgets:
>>http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=28020
>>
>> If the zip is less than 256 KByte you can also upload it to
>> the forum.
>> In "Sample Stacks"/livecodeshare there is currently one single
>> _LCB widget_ (there are more LCS groups, also called 'widgets').
>>
>> This is my proposal:
>> No matter where you upload it if not the forum: Please number the
>> widget/snippet in a forum post in Community Widgets/Snippets and
>> link there to the download location.
>>
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Re: Sharing widgets (was Re: Type on an angle)

[zryip theSlug]

Done with number 50. Thanks for the link.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:38 PM, hh  wrote:
>> > > zyrip wrote: Where can I share it?
>> > Ben wrote: What is a good answer to zryip's question below,
>> > where should interesting third-party widgets be shared?
>> Andy wrote: The widget could be uploaded as a zip to the
>> Sample Stacks. There are a couple there already.
>
> If you mean snippets or widgets for the community, then
> you could write a post here (please number it as I did,
> so it's **easier to refer** to it):
>
> Community Snippets:
>http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=28225
> Community Widgets:
>http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=28020
>
> If the zip is less than 256 KByte you can also upload it to
> the forum.
> In "Sample Stacks"/livecodeshare there is currently one single
> _LCB widget_ (there are more LCS groups, also called 'widgets').
>
> This is my proposal:
> No matter where you upload it if not the forum: Please number the
> widget/snippet in a forum post in Community Widgets/Snippets and
> link there to the download location.
>
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Re: Type on an angle

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami]

And if your target is a static, image "in perspective" speed is not an issue.. 
This can be a production tool. then cut and paste.

Yes, marvelous!

BR

 

On 11/20/16, 3:54 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Scott Rossi" 
 
wrote:

This is great.  True, it runs a bit slowly in 7/8, but scripted image
calculations have always been this way, and having any option at all in LC
to do this type of manipulation is very welcome.  A few of us have been
wanting something like this for years.

Thanks for this great example.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 11/20/16, 9:11 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of hh"
 wrote:

>** Perspective Distortion of an image **
>available (fast) at "Sample stacks" of the IDE toolbar or (slower) at
>http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/812/Perspective-Image-Distortion
>
>The stack includes is an example for (close to) live-distorting a field's
>image, uses font 'Aclonica' at 48 point.

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Re: Sharing widgets (was Re: Type on an angle)

[Richard Gaskin]

AndyP wrote:

> Ben wrote:
>> What is a good answer to zryip's question below, where should
>> interesting third-party widgets be shared?
>
> The widget could be uploaded as a zip to the Sample Stacks.
> There are a couple there already.
>
> This would help to make the user widgets easier to find for all LC
> users.

Yep.

A file can of course be uploaded anywhere, but if we use the facility 
designed for sharing extensions it'll make things that much easier for 
everyone to find today, and in the future as the Sample Stacks/revOnline 
repo is updated.


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Re: Sharing widgets (was Re: Type on an angle)

[hh]

> > > zyrip wrote: Where can I share it?
> > Ben wrote: What is a good answer to zryip's question below,
> > where should interesting third-party widgets be shared?
> Andy wrote: The widget could be uploaded as a zip to the
> Sample Stacks. There are a couple there already.

If you mean snippets or widgets for the community, then
you could write a post here (please number it as I did,
so it's **easier to refer** to it):

Community Snippets:
   http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=28225
Community Widgets:
   http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=28020

If the zip is less than 256 KByte you can also upload it to
the forum.
In "Sample Stacks"/livecodeshare there is currently one single
_LCB widget_ (there are more LCS groups, also called 'widgets').

This is my proposal:
No matter where you upload it if not the forum: Please number the
widget/snippet in a forum post in Community Widgets/Snippets and
link there to the download location.

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Re: Sharing widgets (was Re: Type on an angle)

[AndyP]

The widget could be uploaded as a zip to the Sample Stacks.
There are a couple there already.

This would help to make the user widgets easier to find for all LC users.



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Sharing widgets (was Re: Type on an angle)

[Ben Rubinstein]

This sounds great! I don't know the correct answer to the question, but I'd 
certainly like to see the widget. If nothing else perhaps you could share a 
dropboxlink or similar with the list.


What is a good answer to zryip's question below, where should interesting 
third-party widgets be shared?


Ben

On 20/11/2016 13:07, zryip theSlug wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The only widget I created so far is an orientable text with the
> following properties:
> - label
> - angle
> - font name
> - font size
> - font color
> - font color opacity
> - background color
> - background opacity
>
> I created it long time ago with the very first LC version supporting
> widgets and have updated the code for following the LCB syntax
> changes. I've stopped to play with widgets after this, so the code is
> far to be neat but I can share it if someone need it or want to
> improve it.
>
> Where can I share it?
>
>
> Best Regards,
>

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Re: Type on an angle

[hh]

> Scott R. wrote:
> > Hermann H. wrote:
> > Adding a 'native' angle property doesn't turn a bitmap display into a
> > raster display based on postscript/pdf.
> > Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator use postscript/pdf for each and every
> > single glyph. They dont have rotated fields (seen as controls). They even
> > don't have a rotated _postscript_ insertion cursor for 'rotated editing'.
> 
> Just for the record, the above may be correct from a technical standpoint,
> but is inaccurate with regard to what is presented to users.
> The embedded screen capture below may not arrive on the list intact, but
> illustrates the point.
> Also provided is the option to assign orientation to text.

This is exactly what I meant. They display simply a rotated text path,
rastered from postscript/pdf, NOT a rotated field object. Or does editing
also work while the text stays at an angle of 35 degrees, in several lines,
text alignment centered, having 'vertical' or 'horizontal' scrollbars?

This kind of display and editing rotated Text is already also possible in
LC Builder (a 'real' selfmade-cursor, which is AFAIK still a bitmap, at
multiple of 90 degrees only).

For the problem of rotating a bitmap cursor MaxV started back in 2014
a thread in the forum. There is a 'rough' solution.
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=21743#p111632

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Re: Type on an angle

[Scott Rossi]

This is great.  True, it runs a bit slowly in 7/8, but scripted image
calculations have always been this way, and having any option at all in LC
to do this type of manipulation is very welcome.  A few of us have been
wanting something like this for years.

Thanks for this great example.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 11/20/16, 9:11 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of hh"
 wrote:

>** Perspective Distortion of an image **
>available (fast) at "Sample stacks" of the IDE toolbar or (slower) at
>http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/812/Perspective-Image-Distortion
>
>The stack includes is an example for (close to) live-distorting a field's
>image, uses font 'Aclonica' at 48 point.



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Re: Type on an angle

[Scott Rossi]

On 11/20/16, 5:36 PM, I wrote:

>The embedded screen capture below may not arrive on the list intact, but
>illustrates the point.

Well, I tried.

http://tactilemedia.com/download/rotated_text.gif

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design



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Re: Type on an angle

[Scott Rossi]

On 11/20/16, 1:42 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of hh"
 wrote:
> 
> Adding a 'native' angle property doesn't turn a bitmap display into a
> raster display based on postscript/pdf.
> Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator use postscript/pdf for each and every
> single glyph. They dont have rotated fields (seen as controls). They even
> don't have a rotated _postscript_ insertion cursor for 'rotated editing'.

Just for the record, the above may be correct from a technical standpoint,
but is inaccurate with regard to what is presented to users.
The embedded screen capture below may not arrive on the list intact, but
illustrates the point.

Also provided is the option to assign orientation to text.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




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Re: Type on an angle

[BNig]

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote
> Thanks everyone my responses is 
> 
> "All of the above"
> 
> -- @ Bernd: your HTML5 demo is amazing! Where can I can we get the source?
> BR
> 
> On 11/20/16, 12:52 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of BNig" wrote:
> 
> Elanor has a simple and bare bones LCB file for a widget that can
> rotate one
> line of text in the attachement of 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17782
> 
> The widget I did turns one line of text horziontally

Hi BR,
You can download the widget at

http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/turnwidget/turnText.zip

I recompiled the widget to make sure it works with LC 8.1.1 and up (built
using LC 8.1.2 DP2)

There is a text file explaining how to install and a stack that uses the
widget.
That stack is the basis for the HTMLversion.

>From that stack you can built a HTML version.

>From inside a browser you can download the source for opensource HTML LC
stuff at the bottom right. There is a small LC icon that lets you download a
zip.

Kind regards
Bernd




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Re: Type on an angle

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami]

Thanks everyone my responses is 

"All of the above"

-- snapshot really has major issues with returning bit map
-- widgets all look great and I think they all have their use cases.
-- @ HH stack with perspectives is awesome, thank you!
-- @ Bernd: your HTML5 demo is amazing! Where can I can we get the source?
-- @ Richard: hmmm I have to agree that if it's a matter of HQ resources the 
angle prop should be at the bottom of the list as I also would want all the 
formatting to a "regular" field that is up for what we need.
-- @ Richard: yes of course we can do things in external editors.
-- Still wish I could just  "set the angle of fld YY to 60"

BR

On 11/20/16, 12:52 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of BNig" 
 
wrote:

Elanor has a simple and bare bones LCB file for a widget that can rotate one
line of text in the attachement of 
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17782

The widget I did turns one line of text horziontally


http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/widget-that-turns-text-horizontal-td4705280.html

Kind regards
Bernd

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Re: Type on an angle

[Richmond]

Very true.

On 20.11.2016 18:04, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Richmond 
wrote:


To turn a textField should be no more complicated than:

1. export snapshot of textField (border? backGroundColor? textColor?
font?),


At which point you have a bitmap not an image.  Fine for the screen but not
for printing.





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Re: Type on an angle

[hh]

BR wrote:
> Working on GUI today I created a field and thinking it would be cool
> to have it run sideways at an angle along the edge of an element in
> the background photo ... Any solutions?

You may use my gift for the community (to X-mas or New year's evening or
similar):

** Perspective Distortion of an image **
available (fast) at "Sample stacks" of the IDE toolbar or (slower) at
http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/812/Perspective-Image-Distortion 

The stack includes is an example for (close to) live-distorting a field's
image, uses font 'Aclonica' at 48 point.

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Re: Type on an angle

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Richmond 
wrote:

> To turn a textField should be no more complicated than:
>
> 1. export snapshot of textField (border? backGroundColor? textColor?
> font?),
>

At which point you have a bitmap not an image.  Fine for the screen but not
for printing.


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Re: Type on an angle

[zryip theSlug]

Hi,

The only widget I created so far is an orientable text with the
following properties:
- label
- angle
- font name
- font size
- font color
- font color opacity
- background color
- background opacity

I created it long time ago with the very first LC version supporting
widgets and have updated the code for following the LCB syntax
changes. I've stopped to play with widgets after this, so the code is
far to be neat but I can share it if someone need it or want to
improve it.

Where can I share it?


Best Regards,



On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Richmond  wrote:
> I do ALL my graphics externally except for snapshots of textFields.
>
> To turn a textField should be no more complicated than:
>
> 1. export snapshot of textField (border? backGroundColor? textColor? font?),
>
> 2. rotate it in graphics package of choice (GIMP, Photoshop, etc.),
>
> 3. import into stack as an image.
>
> Typing "at an angle" is probably more trouble than it's worth in terms of
> developer
> time.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 20.11.2016 14:07, Malte Brill wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for hijacking the thread...
>>
>> TL/DR: Do we have Text input into widgets? How can we get our feet wet
>> easier with that stuff?
>>
>> ———
>>
>> Richard wrote:
>>
>>> I have maybe two apps across all my computing devices that let me edit
>>> rotated text, but I have dozens that display text in a variety of
>>> formats (date, phone number, currency, etc.).
>>>
>> Well, if we had a means of textinput inside a widget, this would be easy
>> enough to implement I guess, I may just have overlooked it if it exists.
>> Is text input into a widget possible right now? If so, where do I find
>> documentation on that?  If not is that on the roadmap?
>> I would be really interested going there. Frankly, the first widget that
>> peeked my interest was the calendar that was posted by Bernd. I follow what
>> Herrmann does, but still for what I would need / want to do, I would require
>> a means of keyboard input into the widget.
>>
>> Of course it is possible to code your way around this using what we have
>> right now. A field and making clever use of the message path. This has not
>> gone away (yet). However for me widgets appeared as the way forward to
>> creating custom objects that appear as ONE object to the engine instead of
>> using groups, which are frankly a tad bit brittle as it stands. Oh how often
>> have I screwed up a template group I created that then should have been
>> cloned into a dynamically created UI. Headaches I would have hoped to save
>> myself from with widgets by now.
>> I still do not see builder being at the point where it might be usefull
>> for me. Still in the interim. Still too early. Still not enough learning
>> material on how to get your feet wet with this stuff. Creating a pink circle
>> is good. What are the next steps? I miss easy to follow tutorials to find
>> that information! What is in the Roadmap and expected to arrive when? Those
>> are the questions that keep me from being bothered looking into that stuff
>> yet. I trust myself that I could contribute one widget or the other to the
>> community if it was easier to find the hows! This is not meant as a rant. I
>> still considder the transition to next gen LiveCode to be in progress. That
>> is fine. It looks like it is getting somewhere. Still, and I hope you do not
>> mind me saying that, I considder everything that followed 6.x being interims
>> versions that needed to be released to keep the userbase from tapping their
>> feet too much and keep the boat afloat financially. That is ok for me. Some
>> of the new stuff is really useful already but it comes for a price. LC is
>> not yet in a state of optimization. Pet peeve, benchmarking, but we had that
>> already. Fact is my apps got a whole lot slower with 7 and 8 compared to 5.x
>> and 6.x.. Upside is that this exposed quite a few places where my scripts
>> were inefficient. Doing my part in fixing my stuff. This makes it tolarable
>> in 7 and 8, but the petty is, blazingly fast in 5 / 6. I would rather see
>> stuff we have now being optimized and in turn live with a slower path of Dev
>> releases, which frankly I do not get around testing much anyways these days.
>> Once I find the time to test 8.X 8.Z is released already. I then run my
>> benchmarking on the areas I know affect my apps, see not much of a change
>> there, shrug it off and go back to daily business.This is not yet the next
>> gen livecode I have been kissing in my dreams. It might become it once it
>> matures, but for now I think it still needs to go out a bit and play on the
>> lawn, before I can ask it on a date. ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Malte
>>
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Re: Type on an angle

[Richmond]

I do ALL my graphics externally except for snapshots of textFields.

To turn a textField should be no more complicated than:

1. export snapshot of textField (border? backGroundColor? textColor? font?),

2. rotate it in graphics package of choice (GIMP, Photoshop, etc.),

3. import into stack as an image.

Typing "at an angle" is probably more trouble than it's worth in terms 
of developer

time.

Richmond.

On 20.11.2016 14:07, Malte Brill wrote:

Sorry for hijacking the thread...

TL/DR: Do we have Text input into widgets? How can we get our feet wet easier 
with that stuff?

———

Richard wrote:


I have maybe two apps across all my computing devices that let me edit
rotated text, but I have dozens that display text in a variety of
formats (date, phone number, currency, etc.).


Well, if we had a means of textinput inside a widget, this would be easy enough 
to implement I guess, I may just have overlooked it if it exists.
Is text input into a widget possible right now? If so, where do I find 
documentation on that?  If not is that on the roadmap?
I would be really interested going there. Frankly, the first widget that peeked 
my interest was the calendar that was posted by Bernd. I follow what Herrmann 
does, but still for what I would need / want to do, I would require a means of 
keyboard input into the widget.

Of course it is possible to code your way around this using what we have right 
now. A field and making clever use of the message path. This has not gone away 
(yet). However for me widgets appeared as the way forward to creating custom 
objects that appear as ONE object to the engine instead of using groups, which 
are frankly a tad bit brittle as it stands. Oh how often have I screwed up a 
template group I created that then should have been cloned into a dynamically 
created UI. Headaches I would have hoped to save myself from with widgets by 
now.
I still do not see builder being at the point where it might be usefull for me. 
Still in the interim. Still too early. Still not enough learning material on 
how to get your feet wet with this stuff. Creating a pink circle is good. What 
are the next steps? I miss easy to follow tutorials to find that information! 
What is in the Roadmap and expected to arrive when? Those are the questions 
that keep me from being bothered looking into that stuff yet. I trust myself 
that I could contribute one widget or the other to the community if it was 
easier to find the hows! This is not meant as a rant. I still considder the 
transition to next gen LiveCode to be in progress. That is fine. It looks like 
it is getting somewhere. Still, and I hope you do not mind me saying that, I 
considder everything that followed 6.x being interims versions that needed to 
be released to keep the userbase from tapping their feet too much and keep the 
boat afloat financially. That is ok for me. Some of the new stuff is really 
useful already but it comes for a price. LC is not yet in a state of 
optimization. Pet peeve, benchmarking, but we had that already. Fact is my apps 
got a whole lot slower with 7 and 8 compared to 5.x and 6.x.. Upside is that 
this exposed quite a few places where my scripts were inefficient. Doing my 
part in fixing my stuff. This makes it tolarable in 7 and 8, but the petty is, 
blazingly fast in 5 / 6. I would rather see stuff we have now being optimized 
and in turn live with a slower path of Dev releases, which frankly I do not get 
around testing much anyways these days. Once I find the time to test 8.X 8.Z is 
released already. I then run my benchmarking on the areas I know affect my 
apps, see not much of a change there, shrug it off and go back to daily 
business.This is not yet the next gen livecode I have been kissing in my 
dreams. It might become it once it matures, but for now I think it still needs 
to go out a bit and play on the lawn, before I can ask it on a date. ;-)

Cheers,

Malte


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Re: Type on an angle

[Malte Brill]

Sorry for hijacking the thread...

TL/DR: Do we have Text input into widgets? How can we get our feet wet easier 
with that stuff?

———

Richard wrote:

> I have maybe two apps across all my computing devices that let me edit 
> rotated text, but I have dozens that display text in a variety of 
> formats (date, phone number, currency, etc.).
> 

Well, if we had a means of textinput inside a widget, this would be easy enough 
to implement I guess, I may just have overlooked it if it exists. 
Is text input into a widget possible right now? If so, where do I find 
documentation on that?  If not is that on the roadmap? 
I would be really interested going there. Frankly, the first widget that peeked 
my interest was the calendar that was posted by Bernd. I follow what Herrmann 
does, but still for what I would need / want to do, I would require a means of 
keyboard input into the widget. 

Of course it is possible to code your way around this using what we have right 
now. A field and making clever use of the message path. This has not gone away 
(yet). However for me widgets appeared as the way forward to creating custom 
objects that appear as ONE object to the engine instead of using groups, which 
are frankly a tad bit brittle as it stands. Oh how often have I screwed up a 
template group I created that then should have been cloned into a dynamically 
created UI. Headaches I would have hoped to save myself from with widgets by 
now. 
I still do not see builder being at the point where it might be usefull for me. 
Still in the interim. Still too early. Still not enough learning material on 
how to get your feet wet with this stuff. Creating a pink circle is good. What 
are the next steps? I miss easy to follow tutorials to find that information! 
What is in the Roadmap and expected to arrive when? Those are the questions 
that keep me from being bothered looking into that stuff yet. I trust myself 
that I could contribute one widget or the other to the community if it was 
easier to find the hows! This is not meant as a rant. I still considder the 
transition to next gen LiveCode to be in progress. That is fine. It looks like 
it is getting somewhere. Still, and I hope you do not mind me saying that, I 
considder everything that followed 6.x being interims versions that needed to 
be released to keep the userbase from tapping their feet too much and keep the 
boat afloat financially. That is ok for me. Some of the new stuff is really 
useful already but it comes for a price. LC is not yet in a state of 
optimization. Pet peeve, benchmarking, but we had that already. Fact is my apps 
got a whole lot slower with 7 and 8 compared to 5.x and 6.x.. Upside is that 
this exposed quite a few places where my scripts were inefficient. Doing my 
part in fixing my stuff. This makes it tolarable in 7 and 8, but the petty is, 
blazingly fast in 5 / 6. I would rather see stuff we have now being optimized 
and in turn live with a slower path of Dev releases, which frankly I do not get 
around testing much anyways these days. Once I find the time to test 8.X 8.Z is 
released already. I then run my benchmarking on the areas I know affect my 
apps, see not much of a change there, shrug it off and go back to daily 
business.This is not yet the next gen livecode I have been kissing in my 
dreams. It might become it once it matures, but for now I think it still needs 
to go out a bit and play on the lawn, before I can ask it on a date. ;-)

Cheers,

Malte


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Re: Type on an angle

[BNig]

Elanor has a simple and bare bones LCB file for a widget that can rotate one
line of text in the attachement of 
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17782

The widget I did turns one line of text horziontally

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/widget-that-turns-text-horizontal-td4705280.html

Kind regards
Bernd



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Re: Type on an angle

[hh]

Roger E. wrote:
> I would much rather have a native angle property as a part of the text
> field.  Live text on an angle like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator have
> would enable a whole world of design apps with LiveCode.  I've used the
> snapshot workaround for 15 years, and it has never impressed anyone.

Adding a 'native' angle property doesn't turn a bitmap display into a
raster display based on postscript/pdf.
Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator use postscript/pdf for each and every
single glyph. They dont have rotated fields (seen as controls). They even
don't have a rotated _postscript_ insertion cursor for 'rotated editing'.

But you could use right now LC Builder:
If taking an SVG Font (as I do in the SVG-Text widget) you can have more
affine transforms than only rotating.

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Re: Type on an angle

[Richard Gaskin]

Roger Eller wrote:

> I would much rather have a native angle property as a part of
> the text field.

That would be cool, but could we perhaps have formatting properties first?

I have maybe two apps across all my computing devices that let me edit 
rotated text, but I have dozens that display text in a variety of 
formats (date, phone number, currency, etc.).


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Re: Type on an angle

[Roger Eller]

I would much rather have a native angle property as a part of the text
field.  Live text on an angle like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator have
would enable a whole world of design apps with LiveCode.  I've used the
snapshot workaround for 15 years, and it has never impressed anyone.

~Roger


On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Colin Holgate 
wrote:

> Could you import snapshot from rectangle the rect of field 1, then set the
> angle of the image?
>
> You would need to add the left and top of the card window I guess, to get
> the right part of the screen.
>
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Re: Type on an angle

[Colin Holgate]

Could you import snapshot from rectangle the rect of field 1, then set the 
angle of the image?

You would need to add the left and top of the card window I guess, to get the 
right part of the screen.
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Re: Type on an angle

[J. Landman Gay]

On 11/19/16 4:07 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:



On 20 Nov. 2016, at 9:01 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami  
wrote:

Any solutions?


Do you need to be able to type or just show angled text? Angled text is very 
easy to do in a widget. I vaguely recall someone in the community releasing an 
angled text label. Bernd?


It was -hh (Hermann) and it's somewhere in the forums.

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Re: Type on an angle

[Richard Gaskin]

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

> Working on GUI today I created a field and thinking it would be cool
> to have it run sideways at an angle along the edge of an element in
> the background photo… I put this into the msg Box
>
> set the angle of fld "cardTitle" to 66
...
> "Why is LC's graphic UI stuck in circa 1995!
> Why is it s hard to build good looking UI in this environment!"

Good point.  Far better to make software with Adobe Illustrator. ;)

Years ago I started with something like this:

   import snapshot from fld 1
   set the angle of last image to 90

...and considered extending that to a custom control driven by a 
behavior script in which a group had both a field for text entry and a 
bitmap for display; double-click hides the bitmap and shows the field 
for editing, closeField hides the field and re-renders the bitmap.  I 
wound up not needing it, but definitely doable with a very convenient 
result.


And like Monte said, with LC Builder you get direct access to Skia, so 
you could render with printer-quality output.


If you really want this I'd wager you could make it in an afternoon, 
certainly far less time than you'd spend doing it in C, and infinitely 
less time than you'd spend trying to do app development with Adobe 
Illustrator. :)


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Re: Type on an angle

[Monte Goulding]

> On 20 Nov. 2016, at 9:01 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami  
> wrote:
> 
> Any solutions?

Do you need to be able to type or just show angled text? Angled text is very 
easy to do in a widget. I vaguely recall someone in the community releasing an 
angled text label. Bernd?

Cheers

Monte
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