Re: No tools on Tools Palette (was Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1)

2015-03-24 Thread Bob Sneidar
Right. Exactly. :-)

Bob S


On Mar 12, 2015, at 20:12 , James Hale 
ja...@thehales.id.aumailto:ja...@thehales.id.au wrote:

As for being talked about a lot, that's one downside with only getting the 
digest of the list. By the time you get it and reply there could be oodles of 
other replies you have yet to see as you have to wait for the next digest.

James

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-14 Thread Richmond

Inspector?

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5t=23615

Richmond.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-13 Thread Richmond

On 13/03/15 03:27, Mark Wieder wrote:

Richmond-

Thursday, March 12, 2015, 11:32:49 AM, you wrote:


. . . or, put another way: I'm going to have to spend all of next
weekend reinstalling my
Linux box with a 64 bit version and really wonder whether it is justified.

Just do it. You'll thank yourself later.
The 64-bit version of LC on linux is actually faster, for one thing.
Do it in a vm if you don't want to resintall.



The main problem is that my rig is highly customised and having to
reinstall everything all over again just the way I like things is going to
take a very long time indeed.

Richmond.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-13 Thread Jim Lambert
Exciting webinar.

Trying to draw the differences between widgets, extensions, externals.

Extensions include:
Externals
ex-commands
ex-functions
Plug-ins
Widgets
Libraries

With widgets eventually replacing externals.

Is that about right?

Jim Lambert

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Re: No tools on Tools Palette (was Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1)

2015-03-12 Thread James Hale
Colin wrote:
 It has been talked about a lot here. Just quit LiveCode and reopen it.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Just forcing the redraw (but adding/subtracting the 
paint tools) fixes it, no restart required.

As for being talked about a lot, that's one downside with only getting the 
digest of the list. By the time you get it and reply there could be oodles of 
other replies you have yet to see as you have to wait for the next digest.

James
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No tools on Tools Palette (was Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1)

2015-03-12 Thread James Hale
I was just going through the bug database to see if this had been reported when 
I decided to uncheck the paint tools from the Tools menu. The Tools palette 
redrew and no included most of the expected items. Reselecting the show paint 
tools did just that.
Perhaps it just needs a kick to get it to redraw itself after it has been 
populated with items?

James

BTW the data grid control is not available nor are some of the widgets the 
extension manager thinks are there!



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Re: No tools on Tools Palette (was Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1)

2015-03-12 Thread Colin Holgate
It has been talked about a lot here. Just quit LiveCode and reopen it.


 On Mar 12, 2015, at 10:21 PM, James Hale ja...@thehales.id.au wrote:
 
 I was just going through the bug database to see if this had been reported 
 when I decided to uncheck the paint tools from the Tools menu. The Tools 
 palette redrew and no included most of the expected items. Reselecting the 
 show paint tools did just that.
 Perhaps it just needs a kick to get it to redraw itself after it has been 
 populated with items?
 
 James
 
 BTW the data grid control is not available nor are some of the widgets the 
 extension manager thinks are there!
 
 
 
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D


 Am 12.03.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com:
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Windows.exe
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Mac.dmg
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux.x86
 
 
only the 64bit version is available at the moment
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux.x64

 
 
 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 On 12/03/15 20:22, Fraser Gordon wrote:
 
 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, but where is the download location?
 
 My bad.
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
 it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.
 
 Regards,
 Fraser
 
 
 
 Unfortunately it isn't listed there.
 
 Richmond.
 
 
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

Interested to know why there is no longer a 32 bit version for
Linux . . .

. . . or, put another way: I'm going to have to spend all of next 
weekend reinstalling my

Linux box with a 64 bit version and really wonder whether it is justified.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

On 12/03/15 20:33, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D wrote:



Am 12.03.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Windows.exe

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Mac.dmg

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux.x86



only the 64bit version is available at the moment
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux.x64




Let's hope the at the moment does not mean there will be NO 32 bit 
version.


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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Fraser Gordon

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:30, Chris Sheffield cs_livec...@icloud.com wrote:

 Looks like there’s no commercial edition available. Is this community-only 
 for now?

For the initial DP releases, yes. There are a few more things to get sorted out 
with regards to commercial widgets before providing commercial builds.

As Richmond has noticed, there’s also not a 32-bit Linux build currently - we 
have to custom-build the Chromium Embedded Framework so that revbrowser will 
work on Linux (as it is used for our new user guide and dictionary) and this is 
not a small undertaking. 32-bit will be returning, just not for this first DP.

Which reminds me - revbrowser is now available on Linux (when used in CEF mode).

Fraser
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Fraser Gordon
Hi Matthias,

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:34, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:

 Downloaded and installed the community version now. But it crashes 
 immediately after showing the LC ide.
 
 Anything i can do except deleting all Lc preferences?
 
 Matthias

What platform are you running on? 

Does it crash every time or just the first time you run it?

Regards,
Fraser


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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Kevin Miller
They will still be available after a short delay - we're doing some work on the 
website. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 12 Mar 2015, at 14:28, Mark Laffoon mark.laff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 All of the old plugins (chart maker, scrapbook, etc.) are no longer
 available on the Livecode store... Is this feature discontinued?
 
 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Colin Holgate colinholg...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 i emailed Ben a screenshot of how the tool palette looks. It only has the
 two run mode arrows. No widgets, no classic controls.
 
 
 On Mar 12, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@livecode.com
 wrote:
 
 
 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, but where is the download location?
 
 My bad.
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
 it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.
 
 Regards,
 Fraser
 
 
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Fraser Gordon

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:45, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there any point trying to build a 32 bit Linux version from Git Hub at the 
 moment?

If you’re able to build LiveCode for Linux normally, it should work. You might 
have to do an initial step of

make bootstrap

before “make all” to ensure that the compiler for LC Builder gets created - 
some of the engine is now implemented in LCB.

Other than the revbrowser component, the 32-bit Linux build works. However, we 
didn’t want to ship an incomplete installer where some of the major new IDE 
features don’t work (the new dictionary and the extension store pane of the 
extension manager rely on revbrowser).

Fraser


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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

On 12/03/15 21:04, Fraser Gordon wrote:

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:45, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:


Is there any point trying to build a 32 bit Linux version from Git Hub at the 
moment?

Just for you Richmond:

http://downloads.livecode.com/fraser/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux_NO_BROWSER.x86

The dictionary won’t work (you’ll get a blank window) and there may be one or 
two other oddities, but it should otherwise work.

Regards,
Fraser




Interestingly enough; the first time I started this up the revTools 
stack loaded with

just the 2 arrows at the top.

Now I started it again and the whole palette loaded with all those new 
things at the top.


Richmond.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel
Seems to take two launches of the executable to get the palette to load
properly.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On 12/03/15 21:04, Fraser Gordon wrote:

 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:45, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

  Is there any point trying to build a 32 bit Linux version from Git Hub
 at the moment?

 Just for you Richmond:

 http://downloads.livecode.com/fraser/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_
 0_0_dp_1-Linux_NO_BROWSER.x86

 The dictionary won’t work (you’ll get a blank window) and there may be
 one or two other oddities, but it should otherwise work.

 Regards,
 Fraser



 Interestingly enough; the first time I started this up the revTools stack
 loaded with
 just the 2 arrows at the top.

 Now I started it again and the whole palette loaded with all those new
 things at the top.

 Richmond.


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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Ludovic THEBAULT

 Le 12 mars 2015 à 19:40, Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@livecode.com a écrit :
 
 Hi Matthias,
 
 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:34, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
 matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:
 
 Downloaded and installed the community version now. But it crashes 
 immediately after showing the LC ide.
 
 Anything i can do except deleting all Lc preferences?
 
 Matthias
 
 What platform are you running on? 
 
 Does it crash every time or just the first time you run it?


Same thing (Yosemite) but work when i rename the plug-in folder (where there 
are mobgui and data grid helper)
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Andrew Kluthe
Download crawling along for anyone else?

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ludovic THEBAULT 
ludovic.theba...@laposte.net wrote:


  Le 12 mars 2015 à 19:40, Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@livecode.com a
 écrit :
 
  Hi Matthias,
 
  On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:34, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
 matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:
 
  Downloaded and installed the community version now. But it crashes
 immediately after showing the LC ide.
 
  Anything i can do except deleting all Lc preferences?
 
  Matthias
 
  What platform are you running on?
 
  Does it crash every time or just the first time you run it?


 Same thing (Yosemite) but work when i rename the plug-in folder (where
 there are mobgui and data grid helper)
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Andrew Kluthe
Restarted it a few times and now its going right. A couple of times there
it said it was going to take 6 hours to download.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote:

 Download crawling along for anyone else?

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ludovic THEBAULT 
 ludovic.theba...@laposte.net wrote:


  Le 12 mars 2015 à 19:40, Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@livecode.com a
 écrit :
 
  Hi Matthias,
 
  On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:34, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
 matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:
 
  Downloaded and installed the community version now. But it crashes
 immediately after showing the LC ide.
 
  Anything i can do except deleting all Lc preferences?
 
  Matthias
 
  What platform are you running on?
 
  Does it crash every time or just the first time you run it?


 Same thing (Yosemite) but work when i rename the plug-in folder (where
 there are mobgui and data grid helper)
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Colin Holgate
I expect a lot of people are downloading it. I downloaded it twice early, and 
it didn’t take too long.


 On Mar 12, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote:
 
 Download crawling along for anyone else?

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

Sorry, but where is the download location?

Richmond.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

On 12/03/15 20:22, Fraser Gordon wrote:

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:


Sorry, but where is the download location?

My bad.

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.

Regards,
Fraser




Unfortunately it isn't listed there.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

On 12/03/15 20:30, Roger Eller wrote:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Windows.exe

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Mac.dmg

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux.x86





There is no x86 Linux version, only a 64 bit version . . . g.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Colin Holgate
Good news, a fresh download and install fixed the tool palette issue.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Fraser Gordon

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:45, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there any point trying to build a 32 bit Linux version from Git Hub at the 
 moment?

Just for you Richmond:

http://downloads.livecode.com/fraser/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux_NO_BROWSER.x86

The dictionary won’t work (you’ll get a blank window) and there may be one or 
two other oddities, but it should otherwise work.

Regards,
Fraser

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

On 12/03/15 21:04, Fraser Gordon wrote:

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:45, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:


Is there any point trying to build a 32 bit Linux version from Git Hub at the 
moment?

Just for you Richmond:

http://downloads.livecode.com/fraser/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux_NO_BROWSER.x86

The dictionary won’t work (you’ll get a blank window) and there may be one or 
two other oddities, but it should otherwise work.

Regards,
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

The one thing that really catches my eye is the
extension manager:

Menubar/Tools/Extension Manager

Richmond.


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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

On 12/03/15 20:16, Fraser Gordon wrote:

Dear list members,

*** Warning: this is an alpha release ***

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 1. This release 
brings a number of new features to the LiveCode platform:

- A new language (LiveCode Builder) for extending LiveCode with new widgets and 
engine-level commands and functions
- IDE improvements, with a re-written property inspector and project browser 
and a new dictionary
- An “extension builder” IDE plugin for testing and packaging widgets and 
libraries
- The LiveCode Extension Store, for sharing community extensions

This is a developer preview release and should be used with caution. As always, 
please backup your stacks.

Known issues with 8.0 DP 1:

- The new property inspector lacks some properties present in the old property 
inspector
- The extension store pane of the extensions manager does not always load
- The supplied widgets are examples and lack features and general robustness
- The extension builder plugin “Test” feature fails if the widget being tested 
is already installed - uninstalling the widget and restarting the IDE should 
help
- Widget icons do not appear in Android and iOS standalones as the appropriate 
resources are not included in the standalone
- All installed widgets are built into any standalones produced

LiveCode 8 is in an early stage of development so we’d love to hear any 
feedback you have on it. There are a number of features that we’d like to 
implement but aren’t ready yet  and the existing features are subject to change 
during development - we can’t guarantee that extensions written in DP1 will 
continue to work in later versions.

Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at 
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93




Oo, sexy!

My digestive juices are flowing. Congratulations.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Fraser Gordon

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry, but where is the download location?

My bad.

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.

Regards,
Fraser


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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Roger Eller
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Windows.exe

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Mac.dmg

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux.x86




On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On 12/03/15 20:22, Fraser Gordon wrote:

 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

  Sorry, but where is the download location?

 My bad.

 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

 it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.

 Regards,
 Fraser



  Unfortunately it isn't listed there.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Mark Laffoon
All of the old plugins (chart maker, scrapbook, etc.) are no longer
available on the Livecode store... Is this feature discontinued?

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Colin Holgate colinholg...@gmail.com
wrote:

 i emailed Ben a screenshot of how the tool palette looks. It only has the
 two run mode arrows. No widgets, no classic controls.


  On Mar 12, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@livecode.com
 wrote:
 
 
  On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Sorry, but where is the download location?
 
  My bad.
 
  http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
  it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.
 
  Regards,
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

Aha! 8 has just appeared.

Thank you very much.

Richmond.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
Downloaded and installed the community version now. But it crashes immediately 
after showing the LC ide.

Anything i can do except deleting all Lc preferences?

Matthias


 Am 12.03.2015 um 19:27 schrieb Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
 matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de:
 
 Auto updater in LC commercial Mac shows here an available download, but 
 trying to download tells me, that an error occurred.
 
 Matthias
 
 
 
 
 Am 12.03.2015 um 19:22 schrieb Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@livecode.com:
 
 
 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, but where is the download location?
 
 My bad.
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
 it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.
 
 Regards,
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Colin Holgate
The download page is updated now. I’m redownloading in case the tool palette 
issue was fixed in a later DMG.


 On Mar 12, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote:
 
 I meant to change the link to x64 after I figured out the x86 (32-bit) one
 was missing.  In the excitement of the moment, I clicked send.
 
 
 
 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
 matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:
 
 
 
 Am 12.03.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com
 :
 
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Windows.exe
 
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Mac.dmg
 
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux.x86
 
 
 only the 64bit version is available at the moment
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux.x64
 
 
 
 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 On 12/03/15 20:22, Fraser Gordon wrote:
 
 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Sorry, but where is the download location?
 
 My bad.
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
 it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.
 
 Regards,
 Fraser
 
 
 
 Unfortunately it isn't listed there.
 
 Richmond.
 
 
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
Fraser,

It was my „My livecode“ folder, i think the plugins. I renamed it and i was 
able to successfully start LC 8.

But, as i need my plugins for my older LC versions, is there a way to tell LC 
to use its on „my livecode“ folder?
Or do i really have to switch the prefs every time i switch the LC versions.

Regards,
Matthias

 Am 12.03.2015 um 19:40 schrieb Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@livecode.com:
 
 Hi Matthias,
 
 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:34, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
 matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:
 
 Downloaded and installed the community version now. But it crashes 
 immediately after showing the LC ide.
 
 Anything i can do except deleting all Lc preferences?
 
 Matthias
 
 What platform are you running on? 
 
 Does it crash every time or just the first time you run it?
 
 Regards,
 Fraser
 
 
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Fraser Gordon

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:53, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:

 Fraser,
 
 It was my „My livecode“ folder, i think the plugins. I renamed it and i was 
 able to successfully start LC 8.

Thanks for tracking that down. We’ll investigate why that might be happening. 
Could you either submit a bugzilla report or let me know off-list what plugins 
you have installed so we can reproduce?

 
 But, as i need my plugins for my older LC versions, is there a way to tell LC 
 to use its on „my livecode“ folder?
 Or do i really have to switch the prefs every time i switch the LC versions.

LiveCode 7 and above use a separate preferences file to 6.x and below - if you 
customise the location of your folder in 7 or above, it shouldn’t affect 
previous versions. Versions 7 and 8 use the same preferences file, though. The 
setting is in Preferences - Files  Memory and is the “User Extensions” folder 
at the bottom of the pane.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Colin Holgate
i emailed Ben a screenshot of how the tool palette looks. It only has the two 
run mode arrows. No widgets, no classic controls.


 On Mar 12, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@livecode.com wrote:
 
 
 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, but where is the download location?
 
 My bad.
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
 it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.
 
 Regards,
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond

On 12/03/15 20:25, Colin Holgate wrote:

i emailed Ben a screenshot of how the tool palette looks. It only has the two 
run mode arrows. No widgets, no classic controls.


Jolly-Dee; but where does one get hold of the thing?

Richmond.





On Mar 12, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@livecode.com wrote:


On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:


Sorry, but where is the download location?

My bad.

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.

Regards,
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Fraser Gordon

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:23, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 12/03/15 20:22, Fraser Gordon wrote:
 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, but where is the download location?
 My bad.
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
 it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.
 
 Regards,
 Fraser
 
 
 
 Unfortunately it isn't listed there.

Looks like a database update didn’t go through. Should be appearing now. 
Hopefully…

Fraser


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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Roger Eller
I meant to change the link to x64 after I figured out the x86 (32-bit) one
was missing.  In the excitement of the moment, I clicked send.



On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:



  Am 12.03.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com
 :
 
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Windows.exe
 
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Mac.dmg
 
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux.x86
 
 
 only the 64bit version is available at the moment

 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0_dp_1-Linux.x64

 
 
  On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  On 12/03/15 20:22, Fraser Gordon wrote:
 
  On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:20, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Sorry, but where is the download location?
 
  My bad.
 
  http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
  it should be listed at the top. The auto-updater should also have it.
 
  Regards,
  Fraser
 
 
 
  Unfortunately it isn't listed there.
 
  Richmond.
 
 
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Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Fraser Gordon
Dear list members,

*** Warning: this is an alpha release ***

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 1. This release 
brings a number of new features to the LiveCode platform:

- A new language (LiveCode Builder) for extending LiveCode with new widgets and 
engine-level commands and functions
- IDE improvements, with a re-written property inspector and project browser 
and a new dictionary
- An “extension builder” IDE plugin for testing and packaging widgets and 
libraries
- The LiveCode Extension Store, for sharing community extensions

This is a developer preview release and should be used with caution. As always, 
please backup your stacks.

Known issues with 8.0 DP 1:

- The new property inspector lacks some properties present in the old property 
inspector
- The extension store pane of the extensions manager does not always load
- The supplied widgets are examples and lack features and general robustness
- The extension builder plugin “Test” feature fails if the widget being tested 
is already installed - uninstalling the widget and restarting the IDE should 
help
- Widget icons do not appear in Android and iOS standalones as the appropriate 
resources are not included in the standalone
- All installed widgets are built into any standalones produced

LiveCode 8 is in an early stage of development so we’d love to hear any 
feedback you have on it. There are a number of features that we’d like to 
implement but aren’t ready yet  and the existing features are subject to change 
during development - we can’t guarantee that extensions written in DP1 will 
continue to work in later versions.

Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at 
http://quality.livecode.com/ 

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Regards,
The LiveCode Team
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Chris Sheffield
Looks like there’s no commercial edition available. Is this community-only for 
now?

 On Mar 12, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@livecode.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dear list members,
 
 *** Warning: this is an alpha release ***
 
 We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 1. This release 
 brings a number of new features to the LiveCode platform:
 
 - A new language (LiveCode Builder) for extending LiveCode with new widgets 
 and engine-level commands and functions
 - IDE improvements, with a re-written property inspector and project browser 
 and a new dictionary
 - An “extension builder” IDE plugin for testing and packaging widgets and 
 libraries
 - The LiveCode Extension Store, for sharing community extensions
 
 This is a developer preview release and should be used with caution. As 
 always, please backup your stacks.
 
 Known issues with 8.0 DP 1:
 
 - The new property inspector lacks some properties present in the old 
 property inspector
 - The extension store pane of the extensions manager does not always load
 - The supplied widgets are examples and lack features and general robustness
 - The extension builder plugin “Test” feature fails if the widget being 
 tested is already installed - uninstalling the widget and restarting the IDE 
 should help
 - Widget icons do not appear in Android and iOS standalones as the 
 appropriate resources are not included in the standalone
 - All installed widgets are built into any standalones produced
 
 LiveCode 8 is in an early stage of development so we’d love to hear any 
 feedback you have on it. There are a number of features that we’d like to 
 implement but aren’t ready yet  and the existing features are subject to 
 change during development - we can’t guarantee that extensions written in DP1 
 will continue to work in later versions.
 
 Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at 
 http://quality.livecode.com/ 
 
 We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at 
 http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
 
 
 Regards,
 The LiveCode Team
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Fraser Gordon

On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:25, Colin Holgate colinholg...@gmail.com wrote:

 i emailed Ben a screenshot of how the tool palette looks. It only has the two 
 run mode arrows. No widgets, no classic controls.
 

Hi Colin,

We’ve noticed that issue a couple of times but haven’t been able to track down 
the cause yet. It only seems to happen (for us, at least) the first time the 
IDE is launched. Restarting it makes the classic controls and new widgets 
re-appear. If not, let us know.

Regards,
Fraser


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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Richmond
Is there any point trying to build a 32 bit Linux version from Git Hub 
at the moment?


Richmond.

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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread zryip theSlug
For DGH users,

Matthias reported me DGH is crashing LiveCode 8.0.0.

After a quick investigation of the crash report, it seems LC is
failing in rendering the graphics of the DGH stack.

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   ???   0xa08d7cc9 -[PAStackshot
initWithGlobalTrace].tracebuf + 4235425
1   com.runrev.livecode   0x0045ff27
SkARGB32_Shader_Blitter::blitAntiH(int, int, unsigned char const*,
short const*) + 695
2   com.runrev.livecode   0x004ba9e9 SuperBlitter::~SuperBlitter() + 105
3   com.runrev.livecode   0x004ba575
SkScan::AntiFillPath(SkPath const, SkRegion const, SkBlitter*, bool)
+ 1237
4   com.runrev.livecode   0x004ba7b3
SkScan::AntiFillPath(SkPath const, SkRasterClip const, SkBlitter*) +
67
5   com.runrev.livecode   0x00478cb1 SkDraw::drawPath(SkPath
const, SkPaint const, SkMatrix const*, bool, bool) const + 1137
6   com.runrev.livecode   0x004cf8d0
SkBitmapDevice::drawPath(SkDraw const, SkPath const, SkPaint const,
SkMatrix const*, bool) + 64
7   com.runrev.livecode   0x0046bc56 SkCanvas::drawPath(SkPath
const, SkPaint const) + 790
8   com.runrev.livecode   0x0039a1f9 MCGContextFill(__MCGContext*) + 89
9   com.runrev.livecode   0x0021c069
MCGraphicsContext::fillarc(MCRectangle const, unsigned short,
unsigned short, bool) + 249
10  com.runrev.livecode   0x000b2f92
MCGraphic::draw(MCContext*, MCRectangle const, bool, bool) + 898
11  com.runrev.livecode   0x0006a8c4
MCControl::redraw(MCContext*, MCRectangle const) + 196
12  com.runrev.livecode   0x000ba493 MCGroup::draw(MCContext*,
MCRectangle const, bool, bool) + 787
13  com.runrev.livecode   0x0006a8c4
MCControl::redraw(MCContext*, MCRectangle const) + 196
14  com.runrev.livecode   0x000ba493 MCGroup::draw(MCContext*,
MCRectangle const, bool, bool) + 787
15  com.runrev.livecode   0x0006a8c4
MCControl::redraw(MCContext*, MCRectangle const) + 196
16  com.runrev.livecode   0x00029628 MCCard::draw(MCContext*,
MCRectangle const, bool) + 184
17  com.runrev.livecode   0x0015d5cc
MCStack::render(MCContext*, MCRectangle const) + 140
18  com.runrev.livecode   0x0015ca59
MCStack::render(__MCGContext*, MCRectangle const) + 313
19  com.runrev.livecode   0x00220e51
MCStack::view_render(__MCGContext*, MCRectangle) + 577
20  com.runrev.livecode   0x0015cd97
MCStack::view_surface_redrawwindow(MCStackSurface*, __MCGRegion*) +
807
21  com.runrev.livecode   0x0024ae28
MCDispatch::wredraw(MCPlatformWindow*, MCPlatformSurface*,
__MCGRegion*) + 136
22  com.runrev.livecode   0x0024b5c6
MCPlatformHandleWindowRedraw(MCPlatformWindow*, MCPlatformSurface*,
__MCGRegion*) + 102

I deleted the 3 buttons graphics of the DGH palette and the plugin is
now loading properly.

If you are a DGH user and want to use the LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1, remove
DGH from your livecode plugins folder.

Will investigate and report the issue in the qcc as soon as I have
more infos for describing the reason of the crash.


Best Regards,

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel
s...@magicgate.com wrote:
 Seems to take two launches of the executable to get the palette to load
 properly.

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On 12/03/15 21:04, Fraser Gordon wrote:

 On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:45, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

  Is there any point trying to build a 32 bit Linux version from Git Hub
 at the moment?

 Just for you Richmond:

 http://downloads.livecode.com/fraser/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_
 0_0_dp_1-Linux_NO_BROWSER.x86

 The dictionary won’t work (you’ll get a blank window) and there may be
 one or two other oddities, but it should otherwise work.

 Regards,
 Fraser



 Interestingly enough; the first time I started this up the revTools stack
 loaded with
 just the 2 arrows at the top.

 Now I started it again and the whole palette loaded with all those new
 things at the top.

 Richmond.


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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Mike Kerner
All this activity, and all this excitement, for one wee little new version,
lol

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:30 PM, zryip theSlug zryip.thes...@gmail.com
wrote:

 For DGH users,

 Matthias reported me DGH is crashing LiveCode 8.0.0.

 After a quick investigation of the crash report, it seems LC is
 failing in rendering the graphics of the DGH stack.

 Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
 0   ???   0xa08d7cc9 -[PAStackshot
 initWithGlobalTrace].tracebuf + 4235425
 1   com.runrev.livecode   0x0045ff27
 SkARGB32_Shader_Blitter::blitAntiH(int, int, unsigned char const*,
 short const*) + 695
 2   com.runrev.livecode   0x004ba9e9 SuperBlitter::~SuperBlitter()
 + 105
 3   com.runrev.livecode   0x004ba575
 SkScan::AntiFillPath(SkPath const, SkRegion const, SkBlitter*, bool)
 + 1237
 4   com.runrev.livecode   0x004ba7b3
 SkScan::AntiFillPath(SkPath const, SkRasterClip const, SkBlitter*) +
 67
 5   com.runrev.livecode   0x00478cb1 SkDraw::drawPath(SkPath
 const, SkPaint const, SkMatrix const*, bool, bool) const + 1137
 6   com.runrev.livecode   0x004cf8d0
 SkBitmapDevice::drawPath(SkDraw const, SkPath const, SkPaint const,
 SkMatrix const*, bool) + 64
 7   com.runrev.livecode   0x0046bc56 SkCanvas::drawPath(SkPath
 const, SkPaint const) + 790
 8   com.runrev.livecode   0x0039a1f9 MCGContextFill(__MCGContext*)
 + 89
 9   com.runrev.livecode   0x0021c069
 MCGraphicsContext::fillarc(MCRectangle const, unsigned short,
 unsigned short, bool) + 249
 10  com.runrev.livecode   0x000b2f92
 MCGraphic::draw(MCContext*, MCRectangle const, bool, bool) + 898
 11  com.runrev.livecode   0x0006a8c4
 MCControl::redraw(MCContext*, MCRectangle const) + 196
 12  com.runrev.livecode   0x000ba493 MCGroup::draw(MCContext*,
 MCRectangle const, bool, bool) + 787
 13  com.runrev.livecode   0x0006a8c4
 MCControl::redraw(MCContext*, MCRectangle const) + 196
 14  com.runrev.livecode   0x000ba493 MCGroup::draw(MCContext*,
 MCRectangle const, bool, bool) + 787
 15  com.runrev.livecode   0x0006a8c4
 MCControl::redraw(MCContext*, MCRectangle const) + 196
 16  com.runrev.livecode   0x00029628 MCCard::draw(MCContext*,
 MCRectangle const, bool) + 184
 17  com.runrev.livecode   0x0015d5cc
 MCStack::render(MCContext*, MCRectangle const) + 140
 18  com.runrev.livecode   0x0015ca59
 MCStack::render(__MCGContext*, MCRectangle const) + 313
 19  com.runrev.livecode   0x00220e51
 MCStack::view_render(__MCGContext*, MCRectangle) + 577
 20  com.runrev.livecode   0x0015cd97
 MCStack::view_surface_redrawwindow(MCStackSurface*, __MCGRegion*) +
 807
 21  com.runrev.livecode   0x0024ae28
 MCDispatch::wredraw(MCPlatformWindow*, MCPlatformSurface*,
 __MCGRegion*) + 136
 22  com.runrev.livecode   0x0024b5c6
 MCPlatformHandleWindowRedraw(MCPlatformWindow*, MCPlatformSurface*,
 __MCGRegion*) + 102

 I deleted the 3 buttons graphics of the DGH palette and the plugin is
 now loading properly.

 If you are a DGH user and want to use the LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1, remove
 DGH from your livecode plugins folder.

 Will investigate and report the issue in the qcc as soon as I have
 more infos for describing the reason of the crash.


 Best Regards,

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel
 s...@magicgate.com wrote:
  Seems to take two launches of the executable to get the palette to load
  properly.
 
  On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  On 12/03/15 21:04, Fraser Gordon wrote:
 
  On 12 Mar 2015, at 18:45, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Is there any point trying to build a 32 bit Linux version from Git Hub
  at the moment?
 
  Just for you Richmond:
 
  http://downloads.livecode.com/fraser/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_
  0_0_dp_1-Linux_NO_BROWSER.x86
 
  The dictionary won’t work (you’ll get a blank window) and there may be
  one or two other oddities, but it should otherwise work.
 
  Regards,
  Fraser
 
 
 
  Interestingly enough; the first time I started this up the revTools
 stack
  loaded with
  just the 2 arrows at the top.
 
  Now I started it again and the whole palette loaded with all those new
  things at the top.
 
  Richmond.
 
 
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Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0.0 DP 1

2015-03-12 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond-

Thursday, March 12, 2015, 11:32:49 AM, you wrote:

 . . . or, put another way: I'm going to have to spend all of next
 weekend reinstalling my
 Linux box with a 64 bit version and really wonder whether it is justified.

Just do it. You'll thank yourself later.
The 64-bit version of LC on linux is actually faster, for one thing.
Do it in a vm if you don't want to resintall.

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