Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[[-hh]]

Quoted from
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=96928#p96928

"LC-IDEs for the RaspberryPi are available HERE (downloads.livecode.com)
Thanks to Fraser Gordon from LC-staff.
• LC 6.5.1 (fast, scroll download-page to bottom)
• LC 7.0.4 (slower, but fully implemented Unicode-stuff)
For installing and handling some problems see the 'FAQs' of this sub-forum."
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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[Thomas von Fintel]

LC 6.5.1 for the Raspberry Pi seems no longer available via the 
downloads.livecode.com.
Does anyone have a link to the installer?

TIA
Thomas


Am 05.03.2016 um 21:36 schrieb [-hh]:

>> Richard G. wrote:
>> .. results more or less confirmed here
> 
>> Task (=1 x mouseUp): 100 repeats of find the minimum of 1000 integers
>> 
>> Mac (Mac mini, i5-2.5GHz, dualC)
>> Version: replaceText - replace - min() - sort
>> 6.7.10-rc1: 0.30 - 0.07 - 0.06 - 0.21 (worst timing of 10 x mouseUp)
>> 7.1.3 -rc1: 1.78 - 4.43 - 1.38 - 0.95 (best  timing of 10 x mouseUp)
>> 8.0.0-dp15: 1.94 - 4.69 - 1.49 - 0.94 (best  timing of 10 x mouseUp)
> 
> Today I succeeded in running LC on Raspi 3 (using Ubuntu 15.10. MATE),
> so I couldn't help to run these tests also on Raspi 2/3:
> 
> RaspberryPi 2 B (800 MHz x4) 
> Version: replaceText - replace - min() - sort
> 6.5.1:  3.13 -  0.73 -  0.68 - 1.61 (average timing of 10 x mouseUp)
> 7.0.4: 15.53 - 34.38 - 11.23 - 7.41 (average timing of 10 x mouseUp)
> 
> RaspberryPi 3 B (1.2 GHz x4) 
> 6.5.1:  2.49 -  0.43 -  0.40 - 1.04 (average timing of 10 x mouseUp)
> 7.0.4: 10.29 - 19.54 -  6.64 - 4.76 (average timing of 10 x mouseUp)
> 
> Perhaps one can now understand, that I 'wasted' a full day to look for
> a configuration that runs LC 6 on this great 40 Euro computer (RasPi 3).
> 
> Once again: For the minimum function min() is LC 6.5. on both RaspPis
> at least twice faster than LC 7/8 on a Mac mini.
> Very impressing ...
> 
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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[Robert Mann]

Added to that,  it is a very nice and very respectful attention of the
livecode team to maintain these last builds that are still governed by the
perpetual licenses that existed in the previous century. 
(sigh.. mine stopped at 6.6.5 sniff!)



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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[Richard Gaskin]

Good work - results more or less confirmed here.

Might be good to submit that script with an enhancement request in the 
bug DB to see if those use cases can be optimized.  Previous requests 
with other commands and functions yielded good opportunities for speed 
boosts, bringing v8 much closer to v6.  Whether the same can be done 
with the language features used here is something I don't know, but once 
in the queue the team can review and advise.


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-hh wrote:

> hh wrote:
> Will not work with LC 8 for a while, LC 6.7.10 is in average 16 times
> faster here. And in average 10 times faster than LC 7.

FourthWorld wrote:
My own test are showing v8 rather close for v6 in performance, and much
faster than 7. What script(s) are you running which get those results?


Let's take a simple example that was recently here in the list.
For your comfort the script is attached below.

It is also a field, where LC 8 is said to be already optimized.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Here are my results from a medium fast machine (Mac mini, i5-2.5GHz)
Task (=1 x mouseUp): 100 repeats of find the minimum of 1000 integers

Version: replaceText - replace - min() - sort
6.7.10-rc1: 0.30 - 0.07 - 0.06 - 0.21 (worst timing of 10 x mouseUp)
7.1.3 -rc1: 1.78 - 4.43 - 1.38 - 0.95 (best  timing of 10 x mouseUp)
8.0.0-dp15: 1.94 - 4.69 - 1.49 - 0.94 (best  timing of 10 x mouseUp)

So the time needed is in relation
for the "LC-given" min()
... LC 6: LC 7: LC 8 = 1:23:25
and better for the sort
... LC 6: LC 7: LC 8 = 1:5:5
taking the best of each row
... LC 6: LC 7: LC 8 = 1:16:16

Better don't force me to publish the results of animating large polygons.
*** I left these timings out in averaging in order to acknowledge that
*** LC 8 is still in alpha.

I like LC 8 very much and I live with the speed loss I have when I use it
(it's worth for me, if I do so). The speed loss is not the culprit of the
dev team, it's the big bundle of shiny new things we wish to have ...

The script used
(by Thierry, slightly modified and expanded by me)

on mouseUp
  repeat with i=1 to 1000
get random( 1000)
put IT & cr after LinesOfNumbers
put IT & comma after OneLineOfNumbers
put IT into b[i]
  end repeat
  delete last char of LinesOfNumbers
  delete last char of OneLineOfNumbers
  put 100 into nRepeat
  put the milliseconds into _ct
  -- case 1
  repeat nRepeat
put min( replaceText( LinesOfNumbers, return,comma)) into min1
  end repeat
  put (the milliseconds - _ct)  / nRepeat into timing1
  wait 1 ticks with messages
  put the milliseconds into _ct
  -- case 2
  repeat nRepeat
put LinesOfNumbers into nn
replace return with comma in nn
put min(nn) into min2
  end repeat
  put (the milliseconds - _ct)  / nRepeat into timing2
  wait 1 ticks with messages
  put the milliseconds into _ct
  -- case 3
  repeat nRepeat
put min( OneLineOfNumbers) into min3
  end repeat
  put (the milliseconds - _ct)  / nRepeat into timing3
  wait 1 ticks with messages
  put the milliseconds into _ct
  -- case 4
  repeat nRepeat
put LinesOfNumbers into nn
sort nn numeric
put line 1 of nn into min4
  end repeat
  put (the milliseconds - _ct)  / nRepeat into timing4
  put cr & the version &": "& \
  format( "%.2f - %.2f -  %.2f -  %.2f %s %s %s", \
   timing1, timing2, timing3, timing4, min1 is min3, \
   min2 is min3, min4 is min3) after fld 1
end mouseUp



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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[[-hh]]

> > hh wrote: 
> > Will not work with LC 8 for a while, LC 6.7.10 is in average 16 times 
> > faster here. And in average 10 times faster than LC 7. 
> 
> FourthWorld wrote:
> My own test are showing v8 rather close for v6 in performance, and much
> faster than 7. What script(s) are you running which get those results? 

Let's take a simple example that was recently here in the list.
For your comfort the script is attached below.

It is also a field, where LC 8 is said to be already optimized.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Here are my results from a medium fast machine (Mac mini, i5-2.5GHz)
Task (=1 x mouseUp): 100 repeats of find the minimum of 1000 integers

Version: replaceText - replace - min() - sort
6.7.10-rc1: 0.30 - 0.07 - 0.06 - 0.21 (worst timing of 10 x mouseUp)
7.1.3 -rc1: 1.78 - 4.43 - 1.38 - 0.95 (best  timing of 10 x mouseUp)
8.0.0-dp15: 1.94 - 4.69 - 1.49 - 0.94 (best  timing of 10 x mouseUp)

So the time needed is in relation 
for the "LC-given" min() 
... LC 6: LC 7: LC 8 = 1:23:25
and better for the sort
... LC 6: LC 7: LC 8 = 1:5:5
taking the best of each row
... LC 6: LC 7: LC 8 = 1:16:16

Better don't force me to publish the results of animating large polygons.
*** I left these timings out in averaging in order to acknowledge that
*** LC 8 is still in alpha.

I like LC 8 very much and I live with the speed loss I have when I use it
(it's worth for me, if I do so). The speed loss is not the culprit of the
dev team, it's the big bundle of shiny new things we wish to have ...

The script used
(by Thierry, slightly modified and expanded by me)

on mouseUp
  repeat with i=1 to 1000
get random( 1000)
put IT & cr after LinesOfNumbers
put IT & comma after OneLineOfNumbers
put IT into b[i]
  end repeat
  delete last char of LinesOfNumbers
  delete last char of OneLineOfNumbers
  put 100 into nRepeat
  put the milliseconds into _ct
  -- case 1
  repeat nRepeat
put min( replaceText( LinesOfNumbers, return,comma)) into min1
  end repeat
  put (the milliseconds - _ct)  / nRepeat into timing1
  wait 1 ticks with messages
  put the milliseconds into _ct
  -- case 2
  repeat nRepeat
put LinesOfNumbers into nn
replace return with comma in nn
put min(nn) into min2
  end repeat
  put (the milliseconds - _ct)  / nRepeat into timing2
  wait 1 ticks with messages
  put the milliseconds into _ct
  -- case 3
  repeat nRepeat
put min( OneLineOfNumbers) into min3
  end repeat
  put (the milliseconds - _ct)  / nRepeat into timing3
  wait 1 ticks with messages
  put the milliseconds into _ct
  -- case 4
  repeat nRepeat
put LinesOfNumbers into nn
sort nn numeric
put line 1 of nn into min4
  end repeat
  put (the milliseconds - _ct)  / nRepeat into timing4
  put cr & the version &": "& \
  format( "%.2f - %.2f -  %.2f -  %.2f %s %s %s", \
   timing1, timing2, timing3, timing4, min1 is min3, \
   min2 is min3, min4 is min3) after fld 1
end mouseUp


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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[Paul Hibbert]

Install works fine for me, however, the PB in 7.1.3 RC 1 still shows resize 
issues by not updating the contents to suit the new window size.

I found swapping lines 2652/3 of the PB stack script in 7.1.3 RC 1 fixes the 
problem there, but in 6.7.10 RC 1 I also had to disable line 2658.

Is it worth a couple of bug reports?

Paul
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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[panagiotis merakos]

Congratulations go to Fraser, who implemented the new installation method
on osx ;)
On 3 Mar 2016 21:52, "[-hh]"  wrote:

> Yet another variant if one doesn't like to use dragging, Finder 10.11.2 is
> very buggy with that, and all that spring-loading folders (or if one is not
> fast enough with typing for the terminal one-liner):
>
> Simply select the app icon (by mouse or keyboard)
> and copy.
> Go to where you wish to have it (using Finder or terminal)
> and paste.
>
> @Panos
> Congratulations! This is the fastest installation of LC 6/7 I've ever seen.
>
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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[Richard Gaskin]

hh wrote:

> Will not work with LC 8 for a while, LC 6.7.10 is in average 16 times
> faster here. And in average 10 times faster than LC 7.

My own test are showing v8 rather close for v6 in performance, and must 
faster than 7.


What script(s) are you running which get those results?

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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[[-hh]]

> Richmond M. wrote:
> Presumably the reason that 6.7.10 is called that rather than 6.8 is a 
> signal that this is really the end of the line for the 6 series?
> I still cannot quite work out why the Livecode people continue releasing 
> versions of the 6 series when the 7 series is well established.

 6.7.10 doesn't crash at startup (!!) and is crazy fast. 
Will not work with LC 8 for a while, LC 6.7.10 is in average 16 times
faster here. And in average 10 times faster than LC 7.

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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[[-hh]]

Yet another variant if one doesn't like to use dragging, Finder 10.11.2 is
very buggy with that, and all that spring-loading folders (or if one is not
fast enough with typing for the terminal one-liner):

Simply select the app icon (by mouse or keyboard)
and copy.
Go to where you wish to have it (using Finder or terminal)
and paste.

@Panos
Congratulations! This is the fastest installation of LC 6/7 I've ever seen.


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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> Yes and no. The application can't be dragged onto the Applications folder
> icon in the DMG folder, like most other installers


I was able to to that with no problem at all, and it successfully launched,
activated its license, and ran


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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[Mark Wieder]

On 03/03/2016 09:55 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:

Hi Mark,

I am not sure I follow. I do the following steps:

1. Download the .dmg
2. Once the download finishes, click on the .dmg
3. The dmg folder opens, and I can see the LC icon and the Applications
folder icon.
4. From there, I can drag the LC icon anywhere I want, either onto the
Applications folder icon in the dmg folder, or into any other folder (I
just tried with Desktop)

Am I missing something?


Interesting.
I tried it five times, then finally just dragged it to the Finding 
window. All I get is the whateveritscalled circle with a bar through it, 
indicating that it can't be done. Anyway, it appears to be localized to 
just my mac, and I've done the workaround, so no worries.


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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[RM]

Presumably the reason that 6.7.10 is called that rather than 6.8 is a 
signal that this is really the end

of the line for the 6 series?

I still cannot quite work out why the Livecode people continue releasing 
versions of the 6 series when the 7 series is well established.


Richmond.

On 3.03.2016 19:05, panagiotis merakos wrote:

Dear List Members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.10 RC 1 and 7.1.3 RC
1.

This is a maintenance release containing bug fixes for both versions. You
can see the list of the bugs fixed in the release notes. Moreover, this
release includes an important feature:

The installer is no longer required on OSX. The installation process on OSX
has been updated to no longer require an installer. Instead, LiveCode now
installs like most other OSX applications: drag the app from the DMG to
your Applications folder. For more details, please see the release notes.

*Getting the Release*
To get the release please download the installer directly at:
http://downloads.livecode.com

Warmest regards,
The LiveCode Team
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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[Klaus major-k]

Hi Mark,

> Am 03.03.2016 um 18:55 schrieb panagiotis merakos 
> :
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I am not sure I follow. I do the following steps:
> 
> 1. Download the .dmg
> 2. Once the download finishes, click on the .dmg
> 3. The dmg folder opens, and I can see the LC icon and the Applications
> folder icon.
> 4. From there, I can drag the LC icon anywhere I want, either onto the
> Applications folder icon in the dmg folder, or into any other folder (I
> just tried with Desktop)
> 
> Am I missing something?

nope, worked as advertised for me!
Dragged the app onto the Application Alias and it got copied to the app folder!

Try harder, Mark! :-)

> Regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
>> On 03/03/2016 09:05 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:
>> 
>> The installer is no longer required on OSX. The installation process on OSX
>>> has been updated to no longer require an installer. Instead, LiveCode now
>>> installs like most other OSX applications: drag the app from the DMG to
>>> your Applications folder.
>>> 
>> 
>> Yes and no. The application can't be dragged onto the Applications folder
>> icon in the DMG folder, like most other installers. It *can* be dragged
>> into the Applications folder in the Finder window.
>> 
>> --
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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[panagiotis merakos]

Hi Mark,

I am not sure I follow. I do the following steps:

1. Download the .dmg
2. Once the download finishes, click on the .dmg
3. The dmg folder opens, and I can see the LC icon and the Applications
folder icon.
4. From there, I can drag the LC icon anywhere I want, either onto the
Applications folder icon in the dmg folder, or into any other folder (I
just tried with Desktop)

Am I missing something?

Regards,
Panos
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On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> On 03/03/2016 09:05 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:
>
> The installer is no longer required on OSX. The installation process on OSX
>> has been updated to no longer require an installer. Instead, LiveCode now
>> installs like most other OSX applications: drag the app from the DMG to
>> your Applications folder.
>>
>
> Yes and no. The application can't be dragged onto the Applications folder
> icon in the DMG folder, like most other installers. It *can* be dragged
> into the Applications folder in the Finder window.
>
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Re: Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[Mark Wieder]

On 03/03/2016 09:05 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:


The installer is no longer required on OSX. The installation process on OSX
has been updated to no longer require an installer. Instead, LiveCode now
installs like most other OSX applications: drag the app from the DMG to
your Applications folder.


Yes and no. The application can't be dragged onto the Applications 
folder icon in the DMG folder, like most other installers. It *can* be 
dragged into the Applications folder in the Finder window.


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Release 6.7.10 RC 1 / 7.1.3 RC 1

[panagiotis merakos]

Dear List Members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.10 RC 1 and 7.1.3 RC
1.

This is a maintenance release containing bug fixes for both versions. You
can see the list of the bugs fixed in the release notes. Moreover, this
release includes an important feature:

The installer is no longer required on OSX. The installation process on OSX
has been updated to no longer require an installer. Instead, LiveCode now
installs like most other OSX applications: drag the app from the DMG to
your Applications folder. For more details, please see the release notes.

*Getting the Release*
To get the release please download the installer directly at:
http://downloads.livecode.com

Warmest regards,
The LiveCode Team
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