Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
I could have sired a child who was just now graduating high school! :-) Bob S > On Oct 3, 2021, at 09:16 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 9/30/21 7:02 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > >> - a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries > > LOL. That request is now some 17 years old. > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1712 > > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftw...@gmail.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
On 9/30/21 7:02 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: - a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries LOL. That request is now some 17 years old. https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1712 -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
They're only used for uploading or editing stacks that you want to share. (Oh, now that I think about it, maybe also to rate a stack from someone else). I thought about just removing those buttons from the plugin (IMHO, the upload/edit functions are fine as they are), but then I thought someone might spend time trying to find how to do those actions; better, I think, to have an obvious button which immediately tells you that the plugin doesn't support it. The main reason for not including that functionality was that I felt it was just a bit "off" to have a plugin ask for your username/password; I was glad to find that there doesn't seem to much need to do that part. Alex. On 30/09/2021 18:50, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: This is really nice and fast, Alex. Thanks again for doing this as I’ve always felt that LC’s Sample Stacks is a great and often overlooked resource save for it’s interface. I note that "Log In" and "Sign Up" do not work. Is there any value in those items? Roger On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: Hmmm ... not sure why. Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode Or: start the IDE, and in the toolbar (4th or so from the right) is "Sample Stacks". Then - select "View as: List" - select "All" on left hand side - select "Sort by: Date" - then reverse order the sort - and it's the most recent one !! Or - select "Plugin" in the tags column (5th one down), then type "sample" in the search box and hit "Go" Alex. On 30/09/2021 16:17, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you described. Roger On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you list. So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here." I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login / register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either (very) poor performance or unclear UI. In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely. It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in the usual way. UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit. - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the "Go" button was removed - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed. - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or understand) - tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and scrolled There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling using mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems to be enough to "revive" it. Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions. Thanks Alex. (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to being lost and so would never have asked the question :-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
This is really nice and fast, Alex. Thanks again for doing this as I’ve always felt that LC’s Sample Stacks is a great and often overlooked resource save for it’s interface. I note that "Log In" and "Sign Up" do not work. Is there any value in those items? Roger > On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hmmm ... not sure why. > > Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode > > Or: start the IDE, and in the toolbar (4th or so from the right) is "Sample > Stacks". > > Then > > - select "View as: List" > > - select "All" on left hand side > > - select "Sort by: Date" > > - then reverse order the sort - and it's the most recent one !! > > > Or - select "Plugin" in the tags column (5th one down), then type "sample" in > the search box and hit "Go" > > Alex. > > > On 30/09/2021 16:17, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: >> This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you >> described. >> >> Roger >> >>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: > Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content > in there but it has the issues you list. >>> So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. >>> There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, >>> and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", >>> says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here." >>> >>> I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how >>> to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom >>> line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login >>> / register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the >>> searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either >>> (very) poor performance or unclear UI. >>> >>> In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I >>> wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / >>> downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely. >>> >>> It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called >>> "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in >>> the usual way. >>> >>> UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit. >>> >>> - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the >>> "Go" button was removed >>> >>> - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed. >>> >>> - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or >>> understand) >>> >>> - tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized >>> >>> - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and >>> scrolled >>> >>> There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling >>> using mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems >>> to be enough to "revive" it. >>> >>> Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Alex. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to >>> being lost and so would never have asked the question :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
Ah, it worked this time. I thought one might need your plugin to find your plugin…. Thanks, Roger > On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hmmm ... not sure why. > > Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode > > Or: start the IDE, and in the toolbar (4th or so from the right) is "Sample > Stacks". > > Then > > - select "View as: List" > > - select "All" on left hand side > > - select "Sort by: Date" > > - then reverse order the sort - and it's the most recent one !! > > > Or - select "Plugin" in the tags column (5th one down), then type "sample" in > the search box and hit "Go" > > Alex. > > > On 30/09/2021 16:17, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: >> This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you >> described. >> >> Roger >> >>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: > Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content > in there but it has the issues you list. >>> So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. >>> There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, >>> and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", >>> says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here." >>> >>> I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how >>> to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom >>> line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login >>> / register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the >>> searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either >>> (very) poor performance or unclear UI. >>> >>> In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I >>> wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / >>> downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely. >>> >>> It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called >>> "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in >>> the usual way. >>> >>> UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit. >>> >>> - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the >>> "Go" button was removed >>> >>> - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed. >>> >>> - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or >>> understand) >>> >>> - tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized >>> >>> - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and >>> scrolled >>> >>> There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling >>> using mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems >>> to be enough to "revive" it. >>> >>> Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Alex. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to >>> being lost and so would never have asked the question :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
Hmmm ... not sure why. Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode Or: start the IDE, and in the toolbar (4th or so from the right) is "Sample Stacks". Then - select "View as: List" - select "All" on left hand side - select "Sort by: Date" - then reverse order the sort - and it's the most recent one !! Or - select "Plugin" in the tags column (5th one down), then type "sample" in the search box and hit "Go" Alex. On 30/09/2021 16:17, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you described. Roger On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you list. So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here." I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login / register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either (very) poor performance or unclear UI. In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely. It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in the usual way. UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit. - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the "Go" button was removed - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed. - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or understand) - tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and scrolled There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling using mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems to be enough to "revive" it. Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions. Thanks Alex. (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to being lost and so would never have asked the question :-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
There’s an old joke about a tourist in Maine asking a local for directions and an old farmer says “You can’t get theya from hereya”. Roger > On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode > wrote: > > This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you > described. > > Roger > >> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> >> On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: >>> On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: >>> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you list. >> >> So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. >> There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, >> and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", >> says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here." >> >> I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how >> to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom >> line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login / >> register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the >> searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either (very) >> poor performance or unclear UI. >> >> In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I >> wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / >> downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely. >> >> It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called >> "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in the >> usual way. >> >> UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit. >> >> - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the >> "Go" button was removed >> >> - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed. >> >> - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or >> understand) >> >> - tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized >> >> - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and >> scrolled >> >> There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling >> using mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems to >> be enough to "revive" it. >> >> Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions. >> >> Thanks >> >> Alex. >> >> >> >> >> (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to >> being lost and so would never have asked the question :-) >> >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you described. Roger > On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode > wrote: > > > On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: >> On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: >> >>> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in >>> there but it has the issues you list. > > So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. > There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, > and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", > says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here." > > I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how > to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom > line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login / > register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the > searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either (very) > poor performance or unclear UI. > > In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I > wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / > downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely. > > It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called > "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in the > usual way. > > UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit. > > - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the > "Go" button was removed > > - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed. > > - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or > understand) > > - tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized > > - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and > scrolled > > There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling using > mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems to be > enough to "revive" it. > > Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions. > > Thanks > > Alex. > > > > > (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to > being lost and so would never have asked the question :-) > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you list. So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here." I found the revonline scripts rather complex, and I couldn't easily see how to solve the issues mentioned previously, in that context. And the bottom line is that it's not a complex problem that needs to be solved. The login / register / upload features all work just fine - the problems are with the searching / browsing / filtering, and are generally related to either (very) poor performance or unclear UI. In the end, I just couldn't produce worthwhile improvements, so instead I wrote a plugin that handles the searching / filtering / browsing / downloading parts, and which omits the login/upload parts entirely. It can be downloaded from "Sample Stacks" in the IDE toolbar (it's called "Sample Stacks" and is tagged as IDE and Plugin). Install as a plugin in the usual way. UI is very similar to the existing IDE version - simplified a bit. - search box automatically (and immediately) updates as you type, so the "Go" button was removed - everything happens in < 1 second, so the progress bar was removed. - the grid/list choice was removed (the old 'list' stye was hard to use or understand) - tags in the left-hand box are alphabetized - the grid is a single long scrolling group, rather than being paged and scrolled There is one issue I haven;t tracked down yet - sometimes the scrolling using mousepad doesn't work initially; scrolling with the scrollbar seems to be enough to "revive" it. Let me know if you try it and have any problems or suggestions. Thanks Alex. (*) "she" is not sexist - had it been a man he would never have admitted to being lost and so would never have asked the question :-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:
Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in
there but it has the issues you list.
Kind regards,
Kevin
Some of these issues can easily be tackled as a community effort /
project - but it's not clear to me how the more serious ones could be
done without project leadership (or at least strong involvement) from LC
Ltd. The ability to store things other than traditional stacks (e.g.
widgets, script-only stacks, documentation pages, e-books, ...) and how
that could be handled (or tested) on LC servers means they would need
LCLtd to be heavily involved.
And the other half of that project (i.e. providing infrastructure
support for library/LCS stacks) in the IDE/engine is certainly outside
the scope of a community project. For me, this includes things like
- standard place to keep stacks/libraries (e.g., maybe, My
Livecode/Libraries ?)
- preference to change that in IDE, perhaps specialFolderPath("libraries")
- naming scheme or convention (cf what was done for widgets)
- a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries
- integration into the dictionary (cf widgets again)
- ability to add e.g. custom controls to the toolbar (cf widgets).
and no doubt many others that I haven't even thought of.
Without those, I think we will continue to struggle with a limited set
of community-provided libraries and tools, compared to the rich
ecosystem this *incredibly helpful* community should be able to provide.
But, getting my head own out of the clouds, I've had a look at this as a
community project - see separate email.
For anyone who got this far - thanks for your patience :-),
Alex.
Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself
On 06/09/2021, 14:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Alex Tweedly via use-livecode"
wrote:
In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample
Stacks"), but didn't say how or why. Here the answer to that ...
It has:
- no differentiation between 'libraries' and 'examples'
- it has no support for script-only stacks, which is surely the way most
libraries will be done nowadays.
- a left hand scrolling box with ~90 'categories', in no particular
order, no grouping
- grid vs list view - list shows you a list, which is basically the same
as a 1-wide grid rather than 2-wide, plus a larger view of some random
other item (OK, it's not random - it simply doesn't update when it should)
- updates when you click on the picture - but gives no cursor hint that
you can do that
- a drop-down list for sort order - which isn't sized adequately when
you first open revonline
- a 'search' box which must search something, but I don't know what.
There is a sample stack called "Compare stack scripts", and which is
tagged as "compare" - but isn't found if you search for "compare".
- and I usually find things via "browser + google" (or similar) and the
stuff in samples stacks isn't visible that way.
H - maybe I've just found my next project :-)
Alex.
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Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you list. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Develop Yourself On 06/09/2021, 14:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Alex Tweedly via use-livecode" wrote: In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample Stacks"), but didn't say how or why. Here the answer to that ... It has: - no differentiation between 'libraries' and 'examples' - it has no support for script-only stacks, which is surely the way most libraries will be done nowadays. - a left hand scrolling box with ~90 'categories', in no particular order, no grouping - grid vs list view - list shows you a list, which is basically the same as a 1-wide grid rather than 2-wide, plus a larger view of some random other item (OK, it's not random - it simply doesn't update when it should) - updates when you click on the picture - but gives no cursor hint that you can do that - a drop-down list for sort order - which isn't sized adequately when you first open revonline - a 'search' box which must search something, but I don't know what. There is a sample stack called "Compare stack scripts", and which is tagged as "compare" - but isn't found if you search for "compare". - and I usually find things via "browser + google" (or similar) and the stuff in samples stacks isn't visible that way. H - maybe I've just found my next project :-) Alex. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]
In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample Stacks"), but didn't say how or why. Here the answer to that ... It has: - no differentiation between 'libraries' and 'examples' - it has no support for script-only stacks, which is surely the way most libraries will be done nowadays. - a left hand scrolling box with ~90 'categories', in no particular order, no grouping - grid vs list view - list shows you a list, which is basically the same as a 1-wide grid rather than 2-wide, plus a larger view of some random other item (OK, it's not random - it simply doesn't update when it should) - updates when you click on the picture - but gives no cursor hint that you can do that - a drop-down list for sort order - which isn't sized adequately when you first open revonline - a 'search' box which must search something, but I don't know what. There is a sample stack called "Compare stack scripts", and which is tagged as "compare" - but isn't found if you search for "compare". - and I usually find things via "browser + google" (or similar) and the stuff in samples stacks isn't visible that way. H - maybe I've just found my next project :-) Alex. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
