Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

I'll pipe in again, possibly triggering one or two souls again but 
that's OK if it will help others. :)


So, I really feel for the people who are still having big problems using 
SE and IDE. I've been there and felt that pain; it's no fun. LC without 
code editing is quite restrictive. But the good news is that right now 
I'm able to type up a storm in LC 9.


While a final fix may need to come from LC itself, hopefully the 
remaining users with frequent problems can work around the problem and 
get running again quickly with logic and a little luck. Don't give up!


In my case, (A) I was having huge problems with the newest LC 9's on my 
old but not-too-old Windows laptop, (B) the old laptop hardware got sick 
so I bought a new one, (C) the new laptop had problems with the newest 
9's too, so I took time out to discuss and report the bug.


Then (D) when I had a chance I changed some software on the new laptop 
including AV, (E) most of the problems went away; I couldn't reproduce 
the bug for a better recipe as I intended, (F) I heard back from LC that 
disabling Windows Defender had helped several people, (G) I looked at my 
settings and sure enough my new AV had replaced the Windows Defender 
features in question. Of course a few other variables were in the mix 
including different projects I was working on and tweaks to other AV(s) 
and other software and settings on the machine.


Afterwards (H) some people notified me of similar Mac symptoms, I was 
interested but some time later (I) it happened on my Mac too. Wow! I was 
surprised, in the middle of a bunch of stuff so no recipe, but there it 
was. Assuming that the same symptoms is likely the same bug - not a 
certainty but a good possibility. Furthermore (J) given that this topic 
still exists as of today - with even some very savvy and accomplished 
LiveCoders affected -I assume that the quick fix on Windows Defender, 
while it works for most people, doesn't work for everyone even on Windows.


So to summarize some probable points:

1. It's not just Windows Defender; WD's techniques have followed other 
AVs' "innovations" and are in turn being followed by yet other AVs. Over 
the years I've had to chastise more than one AV for not playing nice 
with LiveCode. In the AV world WD is not unique; it's just currently 
very widespread, bundled with the OS. Fortunately as a result, for this 
SE slowdown the WD fix works for most. But others should take heart and 
keep digging.


2. It's not just Windows. Other people have seen the SE symptoms on Mac, 
and now that includes myself. (Today I even witnessed a possible case of 
a Mac AV messing some things up in the Mac IDE!)


3. It's not just AV. Although AV is usually involved (not always), 
there's another side to the coin. Merely editing and formatting text, 
while the IDE is open but in a fairly static condition, ideally should 
not present opportunities for AV to constantly get involved. Of course 
there's also any user scripts that may be executing at the same time. 
But if the user plays nice and doesn't have any faulty scripts running, 
the IDE should also play nice and not take actions that would involve AV 
unnecessarily or in excess. Why? Because this suggests the possibility 
of actions (such as file access) or the timing of such actions that 
would lower performance anyway, besides opening the door to other 
potential current or future issues. If SE and/or the IDE have some weak 
code, it needs fixing to banish these symptoms forever and ensure a more 
robust IDE. Good code ensures no ghosts in the machine, and ghosts 
suggest weak code. I strongly suspect improvements are needed.


4. Individual computers are different, especially the software 
installed. If you're having problems, look at your AV settings and try 
some tweaks. Try turning off some real-time protection options 
temporarily, or whitelisting LC. If your AV is the hard-headed type, 
maybe try a different one altogether. There's even the possibility of 
other software on your system that is not strictly labeled AV. Once 
you're typing away in LC 9, believe me it's worth the effort of finding 
it. In my case I was forced to change AV anyway because McAfee (the 
default) was doing some crazy things including disabling firewall from 
time to time. Whatever the key is on your particular system, I think 
it's likely that the problem can be worked around until the IDE is 
beefed up. Don't give up.


5. It's a complex problem. We have the IDE plus the SE plus any user 
stacks or addons, all very important to factor in, plus OS, AV, and 
other software. Lots of things going on. Is the weakness is in the SE or 
other parts of the IDE, maybe even a special combination required to 
trigger the problems? And what triggers it on Mac? Not to mention user 
stack code. We do need one or more clean, simple, reliable recipe(s).


If someone who still has the problems, or someone who can just flip a 
software setting switch and experience 

Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

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> 
> the thing i do see is that the line nr's in the scripteditor sometimes seem 
> to stall while i scroll up or down the script. switching to another script 
> and back seems to refresh it.

This behaviour i can see also on Mac OS X.
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Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[JJS via use-livecode]

haha did i say does?

i mean thosea well almost wrote the dutch pronouncing


Op 18-1-2019 om 20:07 schreef JJS via use-livecode:

i don't have does issues on my win10 and lc902

i added .rev and .livecode to be excluded in Windows Defecnder and 
added the livecode.exe to be excluded.


the thing i do see is that the line nr's in the scripteditor sometimes 
seem to stall while i scroll up or down the script. switching to 
another script and back seems to refresh it.


Another thing i do is before opening an other project stack to work 
on, closing the IDE and restart it


Op 18-1-2019 om 12:44 schreef Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode:

Ralph,

The IDE is so bad under windows that sometimes I dust off my 2013 
macbook air just to use it there for some hours and fix whatever I 
need to fix in my projects.


You're right, there is no recipe, it is "degradation over time" and 
time in here is measured in minutes and few hours. This happens 
regardless of plugins and fancy features such as autocompletion. Here 
in my install I face the following problems:


* script editor lag. I am a slow typer and yet sometimes, the editor 
will lag a lot behind my coding.


* script editor missing keystrokes. The lag above sometimes make the 
editor lose keystrokes causing my code to be broken.


* IDE fails to drag and drop controls or respond to shortcuts. 
Dragging tools from the tools palette into my stacks sometimes 
doesn't work. Selecting a control and using common keyboard shortcuts 
to open scripts or inspectors also doesn't work.


This makes using LC a pain and there is no recipe. I've even picked a 
plain new install without any plugin and it still happens over time. 
My machine is a Surface Pro 4 running Window 10, there is no 
bloatware or machine problem, it is all made nice by Microsoft, I 
don't face this kind of problem in any other language or IDE I use here.


I suspect that some IDE internal event message or loop is blocking 
but there is no way to tell.


On 17/01/2019 19:17, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

A couple of things I have observed in Win 10 LC 9.0.2.
1) Scroll wheel starts scrolling 100s of lines with one wheel rotation
detent. The only way to fix is to restart IDE.
2) SE Font is bold 10% of the time when opening LC. The only way to 
fix is

to restart IDE(maybe more than once).
3) After working in the IDE for a while then using breakpoints(I 
think),
every time I do a Ctrl S the IDE will do a variety of things. Not 
all at
once but sometimes all at once. The only way to fix is to restart 
IDE. Ctrl

S does these things sometimes:
  a) Opens up the message box and execute the last command.
  b) The confirm IDE save version dialog is not presented instead 
the last

answer dialog used is displayed without any buttons. Sometimes keyboard
returns will let it move on and complete the save maybe 50% of the 
time.
  c) The open message box has a one line field with a horizontal 
scrollbar

scroll appear and is not active and all other windows are locked up.
  d) Blank "new script editor" window opens and is non functional.
  e) All of the above but flashing and repeating 10s of times(sometimes
forever). Look like a 1970's light show. I get flashbacks just 
looking at
it. The message boxes and answer dialogs are flashing on and off 
with 100%

cpu.
4) IDE goes into a loop (now and again).
5) IDE quits (not often).
6) Save stacks take 10 seconds or more with the Windows "not 
responding" in
the top bar using 100% cpu until saving status box appears. The 
status box
is only up moment. The actual save operation take a 1/2 second after 
that.
7) Undo's are sketchy at best. Sometimes the work as expected other 
times

some other tab's script is changed.
8) Put too many lines into the message box and the same as Ctrl S 
issues

start to pop up.
9) The IDE goes into loop and locks up for no reason using 100% cpu.

I can't make any recipes for a QCC report. I can't see any pattern. 
Simple

stacks usually don't have any of the above problems except for the IDE
scroll wheel and font problems so my larger stacks are doing 
something that

is whacking out the IDE in v9 that did not happen pre v9.

All this being said I still get more done with LC than any other 
language I

have ever used so it's still a net large gain in productivity.
  I don't know what I can do to help.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net



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Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[JJS via use-livecode]

i don't have does issues on my win10 and lc902

i added .rev and .livecode to be excluded in Windows Defecnder and added 
the livecode.exe to be excluded.


the thing i do see is that the line nr's in the scripteditor sometimes 
seem to stall while i scroll up or down the script. switching to another 
script and back seems to refresh it.


Another thing i do is before opening an other project stack to work on, 
closing the IDE and restart it


Op 18-1-2019 om 12:44 schreef Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode:

Ralph,

The IDE is so bad under windows that sometimes I dust off my 2013 
macbook air just to use it there for some hours and fix whatever I 
need to fix in my projects.


You're right, there is no recipe, it is "degradation over time" and 
time in here is measured in minutes and few hours. This happens 
regardless of plugins and fancy features such as autocompletion. Here 
in my install I face the following problems:


* script editor lag. I am a slow typer and yet sometimes, the editor 
will lag a lot behind my coding.


* script editor missing keystrokes. The lag above sometimes make the 
editor lose keystrokes causing my code to be broken.


* IDE fails to drag and drop controls or respond to shortcuts. 
Dragging tools from the tools palette into my stacks sometimes doesn't 
work. Selecting a control and using common keyboard shortcuts to open 
scripts or inspectors also doesn't work.


This makes using LC a pain and there is no recipe. I've even picked a 
plain new install without any plugin and it still happens over time. 
My machine is a Surface Pro 4 running Window 10, there is no bloatware 
or machine problem, it is all made nice by Microsoft, I don't face 
this kind of problem in any other language or IDE I use here.


I suspect that some IDE internal event message or loop is blocking but 
there is no way to tell.


On 17/01/2019 19:17, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

A couple of things I have observed in Win 10 LC 9.0.2.
1) Scroll wheel starts scrolling 100s of lines with one wheel rotation
detent. The only way to fix is to restart IDE.
2) SE Font is bold 10% of the time when opening LC. The only way to 
fix is

to restart IDE(maybe more than once).
3) After working in the IDE for a while then using breakpoints(I think),
every time I do a Ctrl S the IDE will do a variety of things. Not all at
once but sometimes all at once. The only way to fix is to restart 
IDE. Ctrl

S does these things sometimes:
  a) Opens up the message box and execute the last command.
  b) The confirm IDE save version dialog is not presented instead the 
last

answer dialog used is displayed without any buttons. Sometimes keyboard
returns will let it move on and complete the save maybe 50% of the time.
  c) The open message box has a one line field with a horizontal 
scrollbar

scroll appear and is not active and all other windows are locked up.
  d) Blank "new script editor" window opens and is non functional.
  e) All of the above but flashing and repeating 10s of times(sometimes
forever). Look like a 1970's light show. I get flashbacks just 
looking at
it. The message boxes and answer dialogs are flashing on and off with 
100%

cpu.
4) IDE goes into a loop (now and again).
5) IDE quits (not often).
6) Save stacks take 10 seconds or more with the Windows "not 
responding" in
the top bar using 100% cpu until saving status box appears. The 
status box
is only up moment. The actual save operation take a 1/2 second after 
that.
7) Undo's are sketchy at best. Sometimes the work as expected other 
times

some other tab's script is changed.
8) Put too many lines into the message box and the same as Ctrl S issues
start to pop up.
9) The IDE goes into loop and locks up for no reason using 100% cpu.

I can't make any recipes for a QCC report. I can't see any pattern. 
Simple

stacks usually don't have any of the above problems except for the IDE
scroll wheel and font problems so my larger stacks are doing 
something that

is whacking out the IDE in v9 that did not happen pre v9.

All this being said I still get more done with LC than any other 
language I

have ever used so it's still a net large gain in productivity.
  I don't know what I can do to help.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net



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Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode]

Ralph,

The IDE is so bad under windows that sometimes I dust off my 2013 
macbook air just to use it there for some hours and fix whatever I need 
to fix in my projects.


You're right, there is no recipe, it is "degradation over time" and time 
in here is measured in minutes and few hours. This happens regardless of 
plugins and fancy features such as autocompletion. Here in my install I 
face the following problems:


* script editor lag. I am a slow typer and yet sometimes, the editor 
will lag a lot behind my coding.


* script editor missing keystrokes. The lag above sometimes make the 
editor lose keystrokes causing my code to be broken.


* IDE fails to drag and drop controls or respond to shortcuts. Dragging 
tools from the tools palette into my stacks sometimes doesn't work. 
Selecting a control and using common keyboard shortcuts to open scripts 
or inspectors also doesn't work.


This makes using LC a pain and there is no recipe. I've even picked a 
plain new install without any plugin and it still happens over time. My 
machine is a Surface Pro 4 running Window 10, there is no bloatware or 
machine problem, it is all made nice by Microsoft, I don't face this 
kind of problem in any other language or IDE I use here.


I suspect that some IDE internal event message or loop is blocking but 
there is no way to tell.


On 17/01/2019 19:17, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

A couple of things I have observed in Win 10 LC 9.0.2.
1) Scroll wheel starts scrolling 100s of lines with one wheel rotation
detent. The only way to fix is to restart IDE.
2) SE Font is bold 10% of the time when opening LC. The only way to fix is
to restart IDE(maybe more than once).
3) After working in the IDE for a while then using breakpoints(I think),
every time I do a Ctrl S the IDE will do a variety of things. Not all at
once but sometimes all at once. The only way to fix is to restart IDE. Ctrl
S does these things sometimes:
  a) Opens up the message box and execute the last command.
  b) The confirm IDE save version dialog is not presented instead the last
answer dialog used is displayed without any buttons. Sometimes keyboard
returns will let it move on and complete the save maybe 50% of the time.
  c) The open message box has a one line field with a horizontal scrollbar
scroll appear and is not active and all other windows are locked up.
  d) Blank "new script editor" window opens and is non functional.
  e) All of the above but flashing and repeating 10s of times(sometimes
forever). Look like a 1970's light show. I get flashbacks just looking at
it. The message boxes and answer dialogs are flashing on and off with 100%
cpu.
4) IDE goes into a loop (now and again).
5) IDE quits (not often).
6) Save stacks take 10 seconds or more with the Windows "not responding" in
the top bar using 100% cpu until saving status box appears. The status box
is only up moment. The actual save operation take a 1/2 second after that.
7) Undo's are sketchy at best. Sometimes the work as expected other times
some other tab's script is changed.
8) Put too many lines into the message box and the same as Ctrl S issues
start to pop up.
9) The IDE goes into loop and locks up for no reason using 100% cpu.

I can't make any recipes for a QCC report. I can't see any pattern. Simple
stacks usually don't have any of the above problems except for the IDE
scroll wheel and font problems so my larger stacks are doing something that
is whacking out the IDE in v9 that did not happen pre v9.

All this being said I still get more done with LC than any other language I
have ever used so it's still a net large gain in productivity.
  
I don't know what I can do to help.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net



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RE: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I have seen this a few times. I observed it's the return after typing
"command someCommand". I also had "return key" start deleting code at the
top of the script tab. I have not seen this in 9.0.2 GM yet but did see it
9.0.1 and 9.0.2 DPs and RCs.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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Subject: AW: Script Editor Slow on Windows


When I add a new handler, in the "end handler" statement of the previous
handler (the handler above) parts of the word "end" are deleted without me
doing anything. It happened not only once.


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RE: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

A couple of things I have observed in Win 10 LC 9.0.2.
1) Scroll wheel starts scrolling 100s of lines with one wheel rotation
detent. The only way to fix is to restart IDE.
2) SE Font is bold 10% of the time when opening LC. The only way to fix is
to restart IDE(maybe more than once).
3) After working in the IDE for a while then using breakpoints(I think),
every time I do a Ctrl S the IDE will do a variety of things. Not all at
once but sometimes all at once. The only way to fix is to restart IDE. Ctrl
S does these things sometimes:
 a) Opens up the message box and execute the last command.
 b) The confirm IDE save version dialog is not presented instead the last
answer dialog used is displayed without any buttons. Sometimes keyboard
returns will let it move on and complete the save maybe 50% of the time.
 c) The open message box has a one line field with a horizontal scrollbar
scroll appear and is not active and all other windows are locked up.
 d) Blank "new script editor" window opens and is non functional.
 e) All of the above but flashing and repeating 10s of times(sometimes
forever). Look like a 1970's light show. I get flashbacks just looking at
it. The message boxes and answer dialogs are flashing on and off with 100%
cpu.
4) IDE goes into a loop (now and again).
5) IDE quits (not often).
6) Save stacks take 10 seconds or more with the Windows "not responding" in
the top bar using 100% cpu until saving status box appears. The status box
is only up moment. The actual save operation take a 1/2 second after that.
7) Undo's are sketchy at best. Sometimes the work as expected other times
some other tab's script is changed.
8) Put too many lines into the message box and the same as Ctrl S issues
start to pop up.
9) The IDE goes into loop and locks up for no reason using 100% cpu.

I can't make any recipes for a QCC report. I can't see any pattern. Simple
stacks usually don't have any of the above problems except for the IDE
scroll wheel and font problems so my larger stacks are doing something that
is whacking out the IDE in v9 that did not happen pre v9.

All this being said I still get more done with LC than any other language I
have ever used so it's still a net large gain in productivity.
 
I don't know what I can do to help.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net



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AW: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[R.H. via use-livecode]

I must also agree that the SE (script editor) in Windows with latest
versions of LiveCode tends to be nearly unusable -- at least for
professional work.

Also, I turn off the messages box when using the SE but using a field
displaying messages instead. I am not using Navigator.

When I add a new handler, in the "end handler" statement of the previous
handler (the handler above) parts of the word "end" are deleted without me
doing anything. It happened not only once.

As many others here, I can also say that I have turned off most helpers
supposed to support with scripting. I type 10 x faster myself and make
corrections than using any of such helpers; they block my workflow even
though I still use automatic indentation. It will probably be a lot of work
to fix this for Windows so that it is not obstructing work instead of
supporting it.

Even I started using a separate text editor (Notepad++) for writing scripts
and I insert the script later into the SE.

The turn-around time between script changes and saving them is way too
long. Turning Defender off does not make a difference for me, but I need to
test more to come to a conclusion.

My main problem is that saving the stack while scripting may take three
times as much time than writing code. I feel like wasting time a lot
waiting for the save process to end. This does not happen with freshly
started stacks, but quickly after inserting more than just 100/200 lines of
code the problem appears. I did not exactly measure when the problem starts
to show up.

Also, I have the feeling that script errors in earlier versions of LiveCode
had been identified better. Regularly, the reported errors are simply
wrong. And often enough, the debugger does not see any error even though
there is one. Kind of a mystery.

I started to use strict mode declaring all variables. It helped a lot. It
should be recommended much more. It adds discipline and clarity and avoids
errors that are hard to detect otherwise. Even beginners can learn it
easily and understanding will even be better.
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AW: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

I think the Windows defender menu and options change, depending on what AV you 
have installed. I have Kaspersky installed and by this the defender doesen't 
have this option.

I tested to put LC to the trusted list of programs of Kaspersky, but as it is, 
right now, I don't see the lag either with or without that option.

I have to make more tests tomorrow

Tiemo

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Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2019 17:46
An: 'How to use LiveCode' 
Cc: Tiemo Hollmann TB 
Betreff: AW: Script Editor Slow on Windows

Hi Matthias,

how is "Real Time Protection" called in German? I don't find that option :(

Tiemo

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2019 15:56
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Matthias Rebbe 
Betreff: Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows

Or better just exclude Livecode...exe from Realtime Protection / Realtime Scan 
to keep the system safe.


Matthias Rebbe

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> Am 16.01.2019 um 15:51 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Hello Tiemo,
> 
> Could you try disabling "Real Time Protection" in Windows Defender?
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:41 PM Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode < 
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> any new insights?
>> I am working on a fast windows 10 machine with LC 9.0.2.
>> No message box open, no project browser open, almost all new fancy 
>> editor options off, no plugins.
>> Though very laggy input. Sometimes I write a whole line and the 
>> characters appear, when I am in the next line. That’s not really usable.
>> Has anybody found any tweaks, to speed up the editor again?
>> Is the windows defender an issue or only a guess? I have installed 
>> Kaspersky and I once have read, that any third party AV tool shuts 
>> off the defender, because it replaces it. But I don't know, if this 
>> is the case for all defender functions.
>> A workaround would perhaps be, doing the edit in a LC 8 version and 
>> only when it comes to building the standalone or using any new 
>> features, switching to LC 9. But really?
>> Any new insights welcome
>> Tiemo
>> 
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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>> <mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com>] Im Auftrag von AndyP 
>> via use-livecode
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. September 2018 10:12
>> An: use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com
>> <mailto:use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: AndyP > <mailto:smudge.a...@googlemail.com>>
>> Betreff: Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)
>> 
>> As something to test. I've noticed that the script editor problems 
>> worsen when either the project browser or message box have been 
>> opened, the longer these are open the more the script editor ... in all of 
>> LC 9 series gets.
>> 
>> If I do not have the project browser open or use the message box then 
>> the degradation in speed does not in my case materialize so quickly.
>> 
>> I have seen the same slowdown effect on a 64b Intel i5 4440 @ 3.10GHz 
>> with 8GB and a newish I7 620 2.66GHz 64b laptop with 16GB ram installed.
>> 
>> I have no plugins activated, in fact, I tried with the plugins folder 
>> emptied.
>> 
>> It would appear that ide messages are hanging somewhere along line?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Andy Piddock
>> 
>> 
>> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>> 
>> TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
>> 
>> 
>> Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk <http://2108.co.uk/>
>> 
>> PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour 
>> picker / finder.
>> http://www.pointandsee.co.uk <http://www.pointandsee.co.uk/>  - made 
>> with LiveCode
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AW: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

how is "Real Time Protection" called in German? I don't find that option :(

Tiemo

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Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von 
Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2019 15:56
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Matthias Rebbe 
Betreff: Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows

Or better just exclude Livecode...exe from Realtime Protection / Realtime Scan 
to keep the system safe.


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> Am 16.01.2019 um 15:51 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Hello Tiemo,
> 
> Could you try disabling "Real Time Protection" in Windows Defender?
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:41 PM Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode < 
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> any new insights?
>> I am working on a fast windows 10 machine with LC 9.0.2.
>> No message box open, no project browser open, almost all new fancy 
>> editor options off, no plugins.
>> Though very laggy input. Sometimes I write a whole line and the 
>> characters appear, when I am in the next line. That’s not really usable.
>> Has anybody found any tweaks, to speed up the editor again?
>> Is the windows defender an issue or only a guess? I have installed 
>> Kaspersky and I once have read, that any third party AV tool shuts 
>> off the defender, because it replaces it. But I don't know, if this 
>> is the case for all defender functions.
>> A workaround would perhaps be, doing the edit in a LC 8 version and 
>> only when it comes to building the standalone or using any new 
>> features, switching to LC 9. But really?
>> Any new insights welcome
>> Tiemo
>> 
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com>] Im Auftrag von AndyP 
>> via use-livecode
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. September 2018 10:12
>> An: use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: AndyP > <mailto:smudge.a...@googlemail.com>>
>> Betreff: Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)
>> 
>> As something to test. I've noticed that the script editor problems 
>> worsen when either the project browser or message box have been 
>> opened, the longer these are open the more the script editor ... in all of 
>> LC 9 series gets.
>> 
>> If I do not have the project browser open or use the message box then 
>> the degradation in speed does not in my case materialize so quickly.
>> 
>> I have seen the same slowdown effect on a 64b Intel i5 4440 @ 3.10GHz 
>> with 8GB and a newish I7 620 2.66GHz 64b laptop with 16GB ram installed.
>> 
>> I have no plugins activated, in fact, I tried with the plugins folder 
>> emptied.
>> 
>> It would appear that ide messages are hanging somewhere along line?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Andy Piddock
>> 
>> 
>> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>> 
>> TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
>> 
>> 
>> Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk <http://2108.co.uk/>
>> 
>> PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour 
>> picker / finder.
>> http://www.pointandsee.co.uk <http://www.pointandsee.co.uk/>  - made 
>> with LiveCode
>> --
>> Sent from:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f27830
>> 6.html 
>> <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f2783
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Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Or better just exclude Livecode...exe from Realtime Protection / Realtime Scan 
to keep the system safe.


Matthias Rebbe

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> Am 16.01.2019 um 15:51 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Hello Tiemo,
> 
> Could you try disabling "Real Time Protection" in Windows Defender?
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:41 PM Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> any new insights?
>> I am working on a fast windows 10 machine with LC 9.0.2.
>> No message box open, no project browser open, almost all new fancy editor
>> options off, no plugins.
>> Though very laggy input. Sometimes I write a whole line and the characters
>> appear, when I am in the next line. That’s not really usable.
>> Has anybody found any tweaks, to speed up the editor again?
>> Is the windows defender an issue or only a guess? I have installed
>> Kaspersky
>> and I once have read, that any third party AV tool shuts off the defender,
>> because it replaces it. But I don't know, if this is the case for all
>> defender functions.
>> A workaround would perhaps be, doing the edit in a LC 8 version and only
>> when it comes to building the standalone or using any new features,
>> switching to LC 9. But really?
>> Any new insights welcome
>> Tiemo
>> 
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com>] Im
>> Auftrag
>> von AndyP via use-livecode
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. September 2018 10:12
>> An: use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: AndyP mailto:smudge.a...@googlemail.com>>
>> Betreff: Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)
>> 
>> As something to test. I've noticed that the script editor problems worsen
>> when either the project browser or message box have been opened, the longer
>> these are open the more the script editor ... in all of LC 9 series gets.
>> 
>> If I do not have the project browser open or use the message box then the
>> degradation in speed does not in my case materialize so quickly.
>> 
>> I have seen the same slowdown effect on a 64b Intel i5 4440 @ 3.10GHz with
>> 8GB and a newish I7 620 2.66GHz 64b laptop with 16GB ram installed.
>> 
>> I have no plugins activated, in fact, I tried with the plugins folder
>> emptied.
>> 
>> It would appear that ide messages are hanging somewhere along line?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Andy Piddock
>> 
>> 
>> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>> 
>> TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
>> 
>> 
>> Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk <http://2108.co.uk/>
>> 
>> PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker /
>> finder.
>> http://www.pointandsee.co.uk <http://www.pointandsee.co.uk/>  - made with 
>> LiveCode
>> --
>> Sent from:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html 
>> <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html>
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Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hello Tiemo,

Could you try disabling "Real Time Protection" in Windows Defender?

Best,
Panos
--



On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:41 PM Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> any new insights?
> I am working on a fast windows 10 machine with LC 9.0.2.
> No message box open, no project browser open, almost all new fancy editor
> options off, no plugins.
> Though very laggy input. Sometimes I write a whole line and the characters
> appear, when I am in the next line. That’s not really usable.
> Has anybody found any tweaks, to speed up the editor again?
> Is the windows defender an issue or only a guess? I have installed
> Kaspersky
> and I once have read, that any third party AV tool shuts off the defender,
> because it replaces it. But I don't know, if this is the case for all
> defender functions.
> A workaround would perhaps be, doing the edit in a LC 8 version and only
> when it comes to building the standalone or using any new features,
> switching to LC 9. But really?
> Any new insights welcome
> Tiemo
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im
> Auftrag
> von AndyP via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. September 2018 10:12
> An: use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com
> Cc: AndyP 
> Betreff: Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)
>
> As something to test. I've noticed that the script editor problems worsen
> when either the project browser or message box have been opened, the longer
> these are open the more the script editor ... in all of LC 9 series gets.
>
> If I do not have the project browser open or use the message box then the
> degradation in speed does not in my case materialize so quickly.
>
> I have seen the same slowdown effect on a 64b Intel i5 4440 @ 3.10GHz with
> 8GB and a newish I7 620 2.66GHz 64b laptop with 16GB ram installed.
>
> I have no plugins activated, in fact, I tried with the plugins folder
> emptied.
>
> It would appear that ide messages are hanging somewhere along line?
>
>
>
> -
> Andy Piddock
>
>
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>
> TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
>
>
> Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk
>
> PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker /
> finder.
> http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
> --
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AW: Script Editor Slow on Windows

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Hello,

any new insights?
I am working on a fast windows 10 machine with LC 9.0.2.
No message box open, no project browser open, almost all new fancy editor
options off, no plugins.
Though very laggy input. Sometimes I write a whole line and the characters
appear, when I am in the next line. That’s not really usable.
Has anybody found any tweaks, to speed up the editor again?
Is the windows defender an issue or only a guess? I have installed Kaspersky
and I once have read, that any third party AV tool shuts off the defender,
because it replaces it. But I don't know, if this is the case for all
defender functions.
A workaround would perhaps be, doing the edit in a LC 8 version and only
when it comes to building the standalone or using any new features,
switching to LC 9. But really?
Any new insights welcome
Tiemo

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von AndyP via use-livecode
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. September 2018 10:12
An: use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com
Cc: AndyP 
Betreff: Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)

As something to test. I've noticed that the script editor problems worsen
when either the project browser or message box have been opened, the longer
these are open the more the script editor ... in all of LC 9 series gets.

If I do not have the project browser open or use the message box then the
degradation in speed does not in my case materialize so quickly.

I have seen the same slowdown effect on a 64b Intel i5 4440 @ 3.10GHz with
8GB and a newish I7 620 2.66GHz 64b laptop with 16GB ram installed.

I have no plugins activated, in fact, I tried with the plugins folder
emptied.

It would appear that ide messages are hanging somewhere along line?



-
Andy Piddock 


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode 


Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk  

PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker /
finder.
http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
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Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)

[AndyP via use-livecode]

As something to test. I've noticed that the script editor problems worsen
when either the project browser or message box have been opened, the longer
these are open the more the script editor ... in all of LC 9 series gets.

If I do not have the project browser open or use the message box then the
degradation in speed does not in my case materialize so quickly.

I have seen the same slowdown effect on a 64b Intel i5 4440 @ 3.10GHz with
8GB and a newish I7 620 2.66GHz 64b laptop with 16GB ram installed.

I have no plugins activated, in fact, I tried with the plugins folder
emptied.

It would appear that ide messages are hanging somewhere along line?



-
Andy Piddock 


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode 


Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk  

PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / 
finder.
http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
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Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Well, I have noticed a regression of the old Forgotten Breakpoint bug, where a 
soft breakpoint is set (red dot) and after editing and saving a script, the red 
dot remains but the engine does not break. Turning it off and on again fixes it 
until the next save. 

Others have reported the script editor to be painfully slow on Windows. I 
hardly ever develop in Windows, but when I have I was taken aback on how slow 
it actually was. 

Bob S


> On Sep 23, 2018, at 14:28 , Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Howdy Folks,
> 
> I will file a quality report very soon, but wanted to ask what others are 
> experiencing too.
> 
> Using LC 9.0.0 and 9.0.1, on a Windows "PC" laptop with Core i3 or Core i5, 
> the script editor is painfully slow unless many of the auto formatting and 
> coloring features are turned off.


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Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Howdy Folks,

I will file a quality report very soon, but wanted to ask what others 
are experiencing too.


Using LC 9.0.0 and 9.0.1, on a Windows "PC" laptop with Core i3 or Core 
i5, the script editor is painfully slow unless many of the auto 
formatting and coloring features are turned off.


(I only have  "Control Structured Completion" and "Auto Format" still 
enabled; they handle things like "end repeat" and lining up the text 
with tabs.)


But even then, script editing is still laggy, especially on 9.0.1. 
Hitting Enter or backspace, paste or copy, or hiliting some text - any 
of these can lead to a delay.


And worse, not only a delay, but also interfering with intended 
keystrokes and actions. If you select some text, copy, select, paste - 
you may not get the expected result if you performed those steps too 
quickly!


(But "too quickly" doesn't mean fast - even doing things slowly is often 
too quickly in 9.0.1. After one step you have to be careful to see the 
insertion cursor blink before doing the next step. Not the most 
enjoyable way to sling code.)


So, is it just a Windows issue, or more of a which-chip issue? My Mac 
has Core i5 too, but I do more of my code typing on the PC.


I do think the LC team would be well-served to follow Richard's 
suggestion of using a PC for several hours a week.


But should that PC be a Core i9 monster? Maybe not, unless the target 
audience is exclusively the established economic upper class, which 
would be a strange fit for the Community version for example. I think I 
remember some talk about developing nations and so on - if so, needing a 
Core i7 to run LC will probably slow down adoption. And myself included; 
I need to stick with this chip for a while.


I would suggest having an i3 Windows PC and a slightly older Mac around 
for official IDE and engine testing. Otherwise you're cranking out 
releases with code that seems fine on your end, but will only run well 
on the latest and most expensive machines.


It will help some when the LC 9 engine itself is faster, but the script 
editor also needs optimizing. Maybe too much code added lately without 
enough attention to speed. I am curious whether some Macs are affected 
too. How about Linux i3/i5?


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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