Re: Single Window LC IDE?
I watched the keynote by Kevin, and I think all your concerns are slated to be addressed. Bob S > On Apr 27, 2022, at 09:24 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 4/27/2022 11:58 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> I like the new look very much, but most of us old timers have specific >> requirements which LC agrees they want to accommodate. > > I'm fine with the IDE being either multi-window or single-window. I've worked > with both in the past and can adapt to either. > > I would REALLY like language support for easier layouts, from groups (or > views) with built-in slidable dividers (H & V) to easier way to set up > resizable groups or controls. The geometry manager is not idea and coding by > hand gets exact results but is time intensive. Language support for > "tearable" or "dockable" windows is another HIGHLY desired enhancement. > > 80% of our development time is on the UI. We're a data analytics product. > Much more of our developer time should be on the data analysis code for new > analytical features not simply making the UI work. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Single Window LC IDE?
On 4/27/2022 11:58 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: I like the new look very much, but most of us old timers have specific requirements which LC agrees they want to accommodate. I'm fine with the IDE being either multi-window or single-window. I've worked with both in the past and can adapt to either. I would REALLY like language support for easier layouts, from groups (or views) with built-in slidable dividers (H & V) to easier way to set up resizable groups or controls. The geometry manager is not idea and coding by hand gets exact results but is time intensive. Language support for "tearable" or "dockable" windows is another HIGHLY desired enhancement. 80% of our development time is on the UI. We're a data analytics product. Much more of our developer time should be on the data analysis code for new analytical features not simply making the UI work. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Single Window LC IDE?
In a later session they said it was just a mock up at this point. When asked about supporting multiple monitors they said it would, and they'd need to consider tear-off windows. I like the new look very much, but most of us old timers have specific requirements which LC agrees they want to accommodate. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 27, 2022 8:20:01 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: yeah, well, they not only discussed it, but they demo'd it, and seemed to be amped about it, so i'm concerned. On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 5:59 PM doc hawk via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: tom tumbled, >I wouldn't worry that they will pigeon-hole the ide in that way. >That would be madness. Was it StarOffie 4 (or 5?) that shipped such madness? I recall it being *utterly* unusable, and staying with the prior version. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Single Window LC IDE?
On 4/27/2022 10:06 AM, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote: On 27 Apr 2022, at 2:17 pm, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: they not only discussed it, but they demo'd it … and referred to it as a “new ‘dock windows’ capability”.Which sounds like it will still be each to his/her own. Well, if the language isn't updated to support dockable windows then that sucks! I've coded dockable windows in LC script currently. Each of 2 Windows has a group that contains all the relevant functions of the windows. One window has a dock/undock control outside it's groups. Docking moves the groups to the 1st window and remove the window so now the 1st window contains the 2 functional groups next to one another. The groups that was just docked has an undock control. Clicking it move that group back to it's own window which appears and is sized appropriately and the 1st window is resized for just the single group. It is a pain to script and it would make single vs multiple window layout management much easier if it was built into the language in some way. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Single Window LC IDE?
> On 27 Apr 2022, at 2:17 pm, Mike Kerner via use-livecode > wrote: > > they not only discussed it, but they demo'd it … and referred to it as a “new ‘dock windows’ capability”.Which sounds like it will still be each to his/her own. Cheers David G ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Single Window LC IDE?
yeah, well, they not only discussed it, but they demo'd it, and seemed to be amped about it, so i'm concerned. On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 5:59 PM doc hawk via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > tom tumbled, > > >I wouldn't worry that they will pigeon-hole the ide in that way. > >That would be madness. > > Was it StarOffie 4 (or 5?) that shipped such madness? > > I recall it being *utterly* unusable, and staying with the prior version. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Single Window LC IDE?
tom tumbled, >I wouldn't worry that they will pigeon-hole the ide in that way. >That would be madness. Was it StarOffie 4 (or 5?) that shipped such madness? I recall it being *utterly* unusable, and staying with the prior version. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Single Window LC IDE?
I wouldn't worry that they will pigeon-hole the ide in that way. That would be madness. Cheers, Tom On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 5:13 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I'm with you, Craig. There has never been a good single-window IDE, ever. > I commented on this issue during the keynote. Kevin said that it would be > an option, but not mandatory. > If LC createss a browser-based IDE, which was discussed, it may be more > difficult to support multiple windows _in_that_workflow_, so I can > understand what they may be thinking about. > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 4:23 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > I didn't have a chance to ask follow up questions, but I recall Kevin > > saying they were headed towards "dockable windows", presumably meaning > > that all (or many) of the parts of the IDE can be docked into a single > > window view or undocked to separate windows (for example for people with > > multiple monitors doing desktop development. I have no idea if that > > includes the Script Editor, but I might expect that it would. > > > > On 4/26/2022 3:37 PM, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote: > > > Saw this on Kevin's keynote. > > > > > > Some parts of having such a thing, as opposed to a sea of separate > > palettes, are attractive indeed. > > > > > > But one aspect would prevent me from EVER upgrading to v10, and that is > > if the SE also had to be incorporated into that single window. Anyone > know > > if this is in fact planned? > > > > > > Craig > > > ___ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Single Window LC IDE?
I'm with you, Craig. There has never been a good single-window IDE, ever. I commented on this issue during the keynote. Kevin said that it would be an option, but not mandatory. If LC createss a browser-based IDE, which was discussed, it may be more difficult to support multiple windows _in_that_workflow_, so I can understand what they may be thinking about. On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 4:23 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I didn't have a chance to ask follow up questions, but I recall Kevin > saying they were headed towards "dockable windows", presumably meaning > that all (or many) of the parts of the IDE can be docked into a single > window view or undocked to separate windows (for example for people with > multiple monitors doing desktop development. I have no idea if that > includes the Script Editor, but I might expect that it would. > > On 4/26/2022 3:37 PM, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote: > > Saw this on Kevin's keynote. > > > > Some parts of having such a thing, as opposed to a sea of separate > palettes, are attractive indeed. > > > > But one aspect would prevent me from EVER upgrading to v10, and that is > if the SE also had to be incorporated into that single window. Anyone know > if this is in fact planned? > > > > Craig > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Single Window LC IDE?
I didn't have a chance to ask follow up questions, but I recall Kevin saying they were headed towards "dockable windows", presumably meaning that all (or many) of the parts of the IDE can be docked into a single window view or undocked to separate windows (for example for people with multiple monitors doing desktop development. I have no idea if that includes the Script Editor, but I might expect that it would. On 4/26/2022 3:37 PM, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote: Saw this on Kevin's keynote. Some parts of having such a thing, as opposed to a sea of separate palettes, are attractive indeed. But one aspect would prevent me from EVER upgrading to v10, and that is if the SE also had to be incorporated into that single window. Anyone know if this is in fact planned? Craig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Single Window LC IDE?
Saw this on Kevin's keynote. Some parts of having such a thing, as opposed to a sea of separate palettes, are attractive indeed. But one aspect would prevent me from EVER upgrading to v10, and that is if the SE also had to be incorporated into that single window. Anyone know if this is in fact planned? Craig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
