Re: Strange bevavious

[tkuyp...@telenet.be]

Hi Mike,

No external drives attached… Wish it was that simple ;-)


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> On 19 dec. 2015, at 16:49, Mike Bonner  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure it applies to answer and ask, but I've had issues with opening
> stacks using the open menu item in the past.  Then I unplugged my usb drive
> that is often in power save mode, so that it doesn't have to spin up before
> being able to respond and the trouble went away.  Do you have an external
> usb drive?  (Ihave a 3.5" and a 2.5.  The 3.5 in its dock is much more of
> an issue than the 2.5.  Inertia matters I guess.)
> 
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Thierry Douez  wrote:
> 
>> 2015-12-19 16:04 GMT+01:00 tkuyp...@telenet.be :
>>> Not sure where to post this, but I’ve been experiencing a very strange
>> issue with LC 7 and after some testing with LC8, it seems to have gotten
>> even worse…
>>> 
>>> It only happens in the IDE on my Mac, not in standalones.
>>> It happens in 10.11.2, but it was there in the previous versions as
>> well, can’t remember when it started.
>>> 
>>> The issue is that when I use the Open menu to manually open a stack, it
>> takes almost a minute before the open dialog shows.
>>> Also when I use the Open, the Answer or the Ask command it takes between
>> 50 and 70 seconds to show the dialog.
>>> But only the first time after I restart LiveCode, every next time I try
>> to do this, it works as normal.
>>> And it is not LiveCode that is non-responsive, the whole system hangs,
>> that’s why i can tell how long it taken, because even the clock in my
>> menubar is frozen…
>>> 
>>> During some tests with LC8, it takes anywhere from 2 to 2:30 minutes, so
>> it is getting worse.
>>> 
>>> I already removes everything from LiveCode, but no difference.
>>> 
>>> Anybody a suggestion maybe?
>> 
>> Hi Ton,
>> 
>> 
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=104=24971
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> Might be good if you put some words here:
>> 
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16612
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Thierry
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Strange bevavious

[Earthednet-wp]

Whenever I get inexplicably odd behavior, I run Disc Warrior on my system 
drive. Strange things can be induced by disc errors, which seem to constantly 
creep into my computer.
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:27 AM, "tkuyp...@telenet.be"  
> wrote:
> 
> Thans Thierry, posted my issue in BugZilla, but it looks like I have to live 
> with it for a while I guess...
> 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Warm Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Ton Kuypers
> +32 (0) 477 739 530
> 
> Steenweg op Leopoldsburg 100 • B-2490 • Balen • Belgium
> www.publishingtools4u.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 19 dec. 2015, at 16:42, Thierry Douez > > wrote:
>> 
>> 2015-12-19 16:04 GMT+01:00 tkuyp...@telenet.be  
>> >:
>>> Not sure where to post this, but I’ve been experiencing a very strange 
>>> issue with LC 7 and after some testing with LC8, it seems to have gotten 
>>> even worse…
>>> 
>>> It only happens in the IDE on my Mac, not in standalones.
>>> It happens in 10.11.2, but it was there in the previous versions as well, 
>>> can’t remember when it started.
>>> 
>>> The issue is that when I use the Open menu to manually open a stack, it 
>>> takes almost a minute before the open dialog shows.
>>> Also when I use the Open, the Answer or the Ask command it takes between 50 
>>> and 70 seconds to show the dialog.
>>> But only the first time after I restart LiveCode, every next time I try to 
>>> do this, it works as normal.
>>> And it is not LiveCode that is non-responsive, the whole system hangs, 
>>> that’s why i can tell how long it taken, because even the clock in my 
>>> menubar is frozen…
>>> 
>>> During some tests with LC8, it takes anywhere from 2 to 2:30 minutes, so it 
>>> is getting worse.
>>> 
>>> I already removes everything from LiveCode, but no difference.
>>> 
>>> Anybody a suggestion maybe?
>> 
>> Hi Ton,
>> 
>> 
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=104=24971 
>> 
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> Might be good if you put some words here:
>> 
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16612
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Thierry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
>> sunnYrex - sunnYtext2speech - sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage
>> 
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> 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> 
> Ton Kuypers
> 
> 
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Re: Strange bevavious

[J. Landman Gay]

It looks like a Gatekeeper problem. What happens if you "Allow apps 
downloaded from Anywhere"?


On 12/19/2015 12:51 PM, [-hh] wrote:

Hi all,

the sleeping-disk effect is true here, I can win 1-2 seconds of 3-5 seconds at 
start of dialog. But this is with ALL apps, not only LC. And it is for the 
first part of the dialog only, before creating the list.

The following is logged from the second part of an "open-stack"-dialog, after 
selecting a stack filename.

MacOS 10.11.2

LC 8.0.0-dp11
[Begin of selecting a file in dialog's list, Apple's wheel of death starts]
19/12/15 18:56:22,977 LiveCode-Indy[993]: 
GetDYLDEntryPointWithImage(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CacheDelete.framework/CacheDelete,CacheDeleteCopyPurgeableSpaceWithInfo)
 failed.
19/12/15 18:57:13,613 tccd[400]: Unable to verify code signing identity of 
com.runrev.livecode:  code failed to satisfy specified code requirement(s)
[End of dialog]

LC 7.1.1
[Begin of selecting a file in dialog's list, Apple's wheel of death starts]
19/12/15 18:43:06,644 LiveCode-Community[975]: 
GetDYLDEntryPointWithImage(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CacheDelete.framework/CacheDelete,CacheDeleteCopyPurgeableSpaceWithInfo)
 failed.
119/12/15 18:43:36,868 tccd[400]: Unable to verify code signing identity of 
com.runrev.livecode:  code failed to satisfy specified code requirement(s)
[End of dialog]

LC 6.7.8
[Begin of selecting a file in dialog's list, Apple's wheel of death starts]
19/12/15 19:40:49,669 LiveCode-Community[1059]: 
GetDYLDEntryPointWithImage(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CacheDelete.framework/CacheDelete,CacheDeleteCopyPurgeableSpaceWithInfo)
 failed.
19/12/15 19:41:14,513 tccd[400]: Unable to verify code signing identity of 
com.runrev.livecode:  code failed to satisfy specified code requirement(s)
19/12/15 19:41:14,518 tccd[400]: SecTaskLoadEntitlements failed error=22
[End of dialog]

What to do? I have no disk problems, no, never noticed one. And this problem is 
with *every first* open/save-dialog of any LC version I use (6.7.8 is a bit 
faster than 7.1.1 and 8.0).

(Added to bug report #16612.)
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Re: Strange bevavious

[[-hh]]

Hi all,

the sleeping-disk effect is true here, I can win 1-2 seconds of 3-5 seconds at 
start of dialog. But this is with ALL apps, not only LC. And it is for the 
first part of the dialog only, before creating the list.

The following is logged from the second part of an "open-stack"-dialog, after 
selecting a stack filename.

MacOS 10.11.2

LC 8.0.0-dp11
[Begin of selecting a file in dialog's list, Apple's wheel of death starts]
19/12/15 18:56:22,977 LiveCode-Indy[993]: 
GetDYLDEntryPointWithImage(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CacheDelete.framework/CacheDelete,CacheDeleteCopyPurgeableSpaceWithInfo)
 failed.
19/12/15 18:57:13,613 tccd[400]: Unable to verify code signing identity of 
com.runrev.livecode:  code failed to satisfy specified code requirement(s)
[End of dialog]

LC 7.1.1
[Begin of selecting a file in dialog's list, Apple's wheel of death starts]
19/12/15 18:43:06,644 LiveCode-Community[975]: 
GetDYLDEntryPointWithImage(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CacheDelete.framework/CacheDelete,CacheDeleteCopyPurgeableSpaceWithInfo)
 failed.
119/12/15 18:43:36,868 tccd[400]: Unable to verify code signing identity of 
com.runrev.livecode:  code failed to satisfy specified code requirement(s)
[End of dialog]

LC 6.7.8
[Begin of selecting a file in dialog's list, Apple's wheel of death starts]
19/12/15 19:40:49,669 LiveCode-Community[1059]: 
GetDYLDEntryPointWithImage(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CacheDelete.framework/CacheDelete,CacheDeleteCopyPurgeableSpaceWithInfo)
 failed.
19/12/15 19:41:14,513 tccd[400]: Unable to verify code signing identity of 
com.runrev.livecode:  code failed to satisfy specified code requirement(s)
19/12/15 19:41:14,518 tccd[400]: SecTaskLoadEntitlements failed error=22
[End of dialog]

What to do? I have no disk problems, no, never noticed one. And this problem is 
with *every first* open/save-dialog of any LC version I use (6.7.8 is a bit 
faster than 7.1.1 and 8.0).

(Added to bug report #16612.)
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Re: Strange bevavious

[tkuyp...@telenet.be]

Thans Thierry, posted my issue in BugZilla, but it looks like I have to live 
with it for a while I guess...

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Warm Regards,



Ton Kuypers
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> On 19 dec. 2015, at 16:42, Thierry Douez  > wrote:
> 
> 2015-12-19 16:04 GMT+01:00 tkuyp...@telenet.be  
> >:
>> Not sure where to post this, but I’ve been experiencing a very strange issue 
>> with LC 7 and after some testing with LC8, it seems to have gotten even 
>> worse…
>> 
>> It only happens in the IDE on my Mac, not in standalones.
>> It happens in 10.11.2, but it was there in the previous versions as well, 
>> can’t remember when it started.
>> 
>> The issue is that when I use the Open menu to manually open a stack, it 
>> takes almost a minute before the open dialog shows.
>> Also when I use the Open, the Answer or the Ask command it takes between 50 
>> and 70 seconds to show the dialog.
>> But only the first time after I restart LiveCode, every next time I try to 
>> do this, it works as normal.
>> And it is not LiveCode that is non-responsive, the whole system hangs, 
>> that’s why i can tell how long it taken, because even the clock in my 
>> menubar is frozen…
>> 
>> During some tests with LC8, it takes anywhere from 2 to 2:30 minutes, so it 
>> is getting worse.
>> 
>> I already removes everything from LiveCode, but no difference.
>> 
>> Anybody a suggestion maybe?
> 
> Hi Ton,
> 
> 
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=104=24971 
> 
> 
> and
> 
> Might be good if you put some words here:
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16612
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Thierry
> 
> 
> 
> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> sunnYrex - sunnYtext2speech - sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage
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Re: Strange bevavious

[Mike Bonner]

It was worth a shot.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:56 AM, tkuyp...@telenet.be 
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> No external drives attached… Wish it was that simple ;-)
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Warm Regards,
>
>
>
> Ton Kuypers
> +32 (0) 477 739 530
>
> Steenweg op Leopoldsburg 100 • B-2490 • Balen • Belgium
> www.publishingtools4u.com
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 19 dec. 2015, at 16:49, Mike Bonner  wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure it applies to answer and ask, but I've had issues with
> opening
> > stacks using the open menu item in the past.  Then I unplugged my usb
> drive
> > that is often in power save mode, so that it doesn't have to spin up
> before
> > being able to respond and the trouble went away.  Do you have an external
> > usb drive?  (Ihave a 3.5" and a 2.5.  The 3.5 in its dock is much more of
> > an issue than the 2.5.  Inertia matters I guess.)
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Thierry Douez 
> wrote:
> >
> >> 2015-12-19 16:04 GMT+01:00 tkuyp...@telenet.be :
> >>> Not sure where to post this, but I’ve been experiencing a very strange
> >> issue with LC 7 and after some testing with LC8, it seems to have gotten
> >> even worse…
> >>>
> >>> It only happens in the IDE on my Mac, not in standalones.
> >>> It happens in 10.11.2, but it was there in the previous versions as
> >> well, can’t remember when it started.
> >>>
> >>> The issue is that when I use the Open menu to manually open a stack, it
> >> takes almost a minute before the open dialog shows.
> >>> Also when I use the Open, the Answer or the Ask command it takes
> between
> >> 50 and 70 seconds to show the dialog.
> >>> But only the first time after I restart LiveCode, every next time I try
> >> to do this, it works as normal.
> >>> And it is not LiveCode that is non-responsive, the whole system hangs,
> >> that’s why i can tell how long it taken, because even the clock in my
> >> menubar is frozen…
> >>>
> >>> During some tests with LC8, it takes anywhere from 2 to 2:30 minutes,
> so
> >> it is getting worse.
> >>>
> >>> I already removes everything from LiveCode, but no difference.
> >>>
> >>> Anybody a suggestion maybe?
> >>
> >> Hi Ton,
> >>
> >>
> >> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=104=24971
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> Might be good if you put some words here:
> >>
> >> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16612
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Thierry
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> >> sunnYrex - sunnYtext2speech - sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage
> >>
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Re: Strange bevavious

[Thierry Douez]

2015-12-19 16:04 GMT+01:00 tkuyp...@telenet.be :
> Not sure where to post this, but I’ve been experiencing a very strange issue 
> with LC 7 and after some testing with LC8, it seems to have gotten even worse…
>
> It only happens in the IDE on my Mac, not in standalones.
> It happens in 10.11.2, but it was there in the previous versions as well, 
> can’t remember when it started.
>
> The issue is that when I use the Open menu to manually open a stack, it takes 
> almost a minute before the open dialog shows.
> Also when I use the Open, the Answer or the Ask command it takes between 50 
> and 70 seconds to show the dialog.
> But only the first time after I restart LiveCode, every next time I try to do 
> this, it works as normal.
> And it is not LiveCode that is non-responsive, the whole system hangs, that’s 
> why i can tell how long it taken, because even the clock in my menubar is 
> frozen…
>
> During some tests with LC8, it takes anywhere from 2 to 2:30 minutes, so it 
> is getting worse.
>
> I already removes everything from LiveCode, but no difference.
>
> Anybody a suggestion maybe?

Hi Ton,


http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=104=24971

and

Might be good if you put some words here:

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16612


Kind regards,

Thierry



Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
sunnYrex - sunnYtext2speech - sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage

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Re: Strange bevavious

[Mike Bonner]

I'm not sure it applies to answer and ask, but I've had issues with opening
stacks using the open menu item in the past.  Then I unplugged my usb drive
that is often in power save mode, so that it doesn't have to spin up before
being able to respond and the trouble went away.  Do you have an external
usb drive?  (Ihave a 3.5" and a 2.5.  The 3.5 in its dock is much more of
an issue than the 2.5.  Inertia matters I guess.)

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Thierry Douez  wrote:

> 2015-12-19 16:04 GMT+01:00 tkuyp...@telenet.be :
> > Not sure where to post this, but I’ve been experiencing a very strange
> issue with LC 7 and after some testing with LC8, it seems to have gotten
> even worse…
> >
> > It only happens in the IDE on my Mac, not in standalones.
> > It happens in 10.11.2, but it was there in the previous versions as
> well, can’t remember when it started.
> >
> > The issue is that when I use the Open menu to manually open a stack, it
> takes almost a minute before the open dialog shows.
> > Also when I use the Open, the Answer or the Ask command it takes between
> 50 and 70 seconds to show the dialog.
> > But only the first time after I restart LiveCode, every next time I try
> to do this, it works as normal.
> > And it is not LiveCode that is non-responsive, the whole system hangs,
> that’s why i can tell how long it taken, because even the clock in my
> menubar is frozen…
> >
> > During some tests with LC8, it takes anywhere from 2 to 2:30 minutes, so
> it is getting worse.
> >
> > I already removes everything from LiveCode, but no difference.
> >
> > Anybody a suggestion maybe?
>
> Hi Ton,
>
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=104=24971
>
> and
>
> Might be good if you put some words here:
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16612
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Thierry
>
>
> 
> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> sunnYrex - sunnYtext2speech - sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage
>
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Re: Strange bevavious

[[-hh]]

@Jacques
Thanks for the hint. Never had looked into that preferences tab.
Tried at once and restarted. Was worth a try but had no effect.

But I saw there, that LC tries to accesss my calendar (of course I disabled 
that) ...
I also rebuilt permissions and cleared the dyldd's shared cache.
No effect. Also the calendar access trials (by tccd) are still there.

Meanwhile I presume it is from Apple's new SIP that doesn't like LC.
Nobody knows what Apple is exactly doing. I don't trust them any more.

I now think about switching to Linux as my primary OS.

@Ton
One possible workaround is to do a mailcheck during LC's open/save-dialogs. 
Never checked my mail so often :-)
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Re: Strange bevavious

[tkuyp...@telenet.be]

Same (very annoying) problem :-(

Well, my system doesn’t crash, but it still takes anywhere from 50 to 130 
seconds for the system to unfreeze…


Met vriendelijke groeten,
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Ton Kuypers
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> On 19 dec. 2015, at 21:49, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
> It looks like a Gatekeeper problem. What happens if you "Allow apps 
> downloaded from Anywhere"?
> 
> On 12/19/2015 12:51 PM, [-hh] wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> the sleeping-disk effect is true here, I can win 1-2 seconds of 3-5 seconds 
>> at start of dialog. But this is with ALL apps, not only LC. And it is for 
>> the first part of the dialog only, before creating the list.
>> 
>> The following is logged from the second part of an "open-stack"-dialog, 
>> after selecting a stack filename.
>> 
>> MacOS 10.11.2
>> 
>> LC 8.0.0-dp11
>> [Begin of selecting a file in dialog's list, Apple's wheel of death starts]
>> 19/12/15 18:56:22,977 LiveCode-Indy[993]: 
>> GetDYLDEntryPointWithImage(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CacheDelete.framework/CacheDelete,CacheDeleteCopyPurgeableSpaceWithInfo)
>>  failed.
>> 19/12/15 18:57:13,613 tccd[400]: Unable to verify code signing identity of 
>> com.runrev.livecode:  code failed to satisfy specified code requirement(s)
>> [End of dialog]
>> 
>> LC 7.1.1
>> [Begin of selecting a file in dialog's list, Apple's wheel of death starts]
>> 19/12/15 18:43:06,644 LiveCode-Community[975]: 
>> GetDYLDEntryPointWithImage(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CacheDelete.framework/CacheDelete,CacheDeleteCopyPurgeableSpaceWithInfo)
>>  failed.
>> 119/12/15 18:43:36,868 tccd[400]: Unable to verify code signing identity of 
>> com.runrev.livecode:  code failed to satisfy specified code requirement(s)
>> [End of dialog]
>> 
>> LC 6.7.8
>> [Begin of selecting a file in dialog's list, Apple's wheel of death starts]
>> 19/12/15 19:40:49,669 LiveCode-Community[1059]: 
>> GetDYLDEntryPointWithImage(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CacheDelete.framework/CacheDelete,CacheDeleteCopyPurgeableSpaceWithInfo)
>>  failed.
>> 19/12/15 19:41:14,513 tccd[400]: Unable to verify code signing identity of 
>> com.runrev.livecode:  code failed to satisfy specified code requirement(s)
>> 19/12/15 19:41:14,518 tccd[400]: SecTaskLoadEntitlements failed error=22
>> [End of dialog]
>> 
>> What to do? I have no disk problems, no, never noticed one. And this problem 
>> is with *every first* open/save-dialog of any LC version I use (6.7.8 is a 
>> bit faster than 7.1.1 and 8.0).
>> 
>> (Added to bug report #16612.)
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Strange bevavious

[tkuyp...@telenet.be]

Not sure where to post this, but I’ve been experiencing a very strange issue 
with LC 7 and after some testing with LC8, it seems to have gotten even worse…

It only happens in the IDE on my Mac, not in standalones.
It happens in 10.11.2, but it was there in the previous versions as well, can’t 
remember when it started.

The issue is that when I use the Open menu to manually open a stack, it takes 
almost a minute before the open dialog shows.
Also when I use the Open, the Answer or the Ask command it takes between 50 and 
70 seconds to show the dialog.
But only the first time after I restart LiveCode, every next time I try to do 
this, it works as normal.
And it is not LiveCode that is non-responsive, the whole system hangs, that’s 
why i can tell how long it taken, because even the clock in my menubar is 
frozen…

During some tests with LC8, it takes anywhere from 2 to 2:30 minutes, so it is 
getting worse.

I already removes everything from LiveCode, but no difference.

Anybody a suggestion maybe?


Met vriendelijke groeten,
Warm Regards,



Ton Kuypers
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